Chase Nobles (Idiot) Kayacks COS drainage ditch during flood

[Colorado_Outback]

I was kinda hoping this was going to end with him pinned against a large grate.. Being this stupid should hurt, a lot.


http://vimeo.com/100950725

[rtr]

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[jhood001]

If I had a dime for every time someone did something dangerous, I would be rich.

If I wished ill will on someone doing something dangerous and then commented as such and posted a video on an internet forum, I would be an asshole.

[Colorado_Outback]

If I had a dime for every time someone did something dangerous, I would be rich.

If I wished ill will on someone doing something dangerous and then commented as such and posted a video on an internet forum, I would be an asshole.

Bummer guess we arnt bffs. What ever will I do..

[jhood001]

Bummer guess we arnt bffs. What ever will I do..

Oh, we're good. I would buy you a beer any time. I'm just posting my view on your post on the internet. Just like you posted your view on a video of a guy physically challenging his environment on the internet.

[Colorado_Outback]

Physically challenging his environment... haha that's a stretch.

Kayaking a river I can see, not that I personally am into that sort of thing but I can see the appeal. A river you have a chance of self rescuing if you were to flip or what ever.

Whats your exit game when you come up against a large obstruction that you cant paddle around in one of those tunnels?

Edit: Just makin sure :D

[theGinsue]

This guy is a first class selfish moronic prick.

We need a shit-load of chlorine in the gene pool, and we need it fast.

I, too, disagree with the whole "challenging his environment" bullshit. Simply because that's all it is: Bullshit.

This guy, and others like him, are glory hounds who needlessly take extreme risks with no consideration for the safety or well-being of those who may be called in to rescue or recover him from his own selfish stupidity if one of the thousands of possible bad scenario's unfolds.

It needs to become very clear public policy from the local level all of the way to the national level that anyone willing to take an "extreme risk" will do so with the knowledge that there will be no rescue, no aid, no negotiations for you, and recovery of your body will only occur if/when nobody else is put at risk. For extreme risks, both Murphy & Darwin will be re-instated their proper authority and mankind will once again step aside.

This policy also needs to cover those dumb asses who think doing crap like hiking along the Iraqi-Iranian border or sneaking into North Korea is somehow a good idea.

[jhood001]

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It needs to become very clear public policy from the local level all of the way to the national level that anyone willing to take an "extreme risk" will do so with the knowledge that there will be no rescue, no aid, no negotiations for you, and recovery of your body will only occur if/when nobody else is put at risk.



Agreed, boss. But I still don't wish the man harm.

[theGinsue]

Agreed, boss. But I still don't wish the man harm.

I don't "wish" the man harm, but we both know if he keeps up stunts like this it's coming (and is overdue). The question is: How many others will be harmed because of this selfishness?

[jhood001]

I hear ya. My issue with the OP wasn't with what the fellow in the video did. It was with the 'hope' that his actions ended in tragedy.

I think there is a fine line between being adventurous and endangering others. I think people should pursue and push their limits in all regards. Danger is always a possibility when we adventure. And people that choose their life's work as rescue are pursuing danger themselves... For their own reasons.

I saw this video of Haley's the other day. At no point did I consider what he was doing to be a stunt. Probably because I have read enough about the man doing the action to believe he knows what he's doing. Maybe I should have spent the time to research the fellow in the kayak to find out if he passed my personal perception test as to who is and who isn't qualified to participate in thrill seeking.

Regardless, great video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZUh1IUNkrw

[Rabid]

Most of our rivers during run off would be as hard or harder then that. Just my $0.02 though.

[Colorado_Outback]

This guy is a first class selfish moronic prick.

We need a shit-load of chlorine in the gene pool, and we need it fast.

I, too, disagree with the whole "challenging his environment" bullshit. Simply because that's all it is: Bullshit.

This guy, and others like him, are glory hounds who needlessly take extreme risks with no consideration for the safety or well-being of those who may be called in to rescue or recover him from his own selfish stupidity if one of the thousands of possible bad scenario's unfolds.

It needs to become very clear public policy from the local level all of the way to the national level that anyone willing to take an "extreme risk" will do so with the knowledge that there will be no rescue, no aid, no negotiations for you, and recovery of your body will only occur if/when nobody else is put at risk. For extreme risks, both Murphy & Darwin will be re-instated their proper authority and mankind will once again step aside.

This policy also needs to cover those dumb asses who think doing crap like hiking along the Iraqi-Iranian border or sneaking into North Korea is somehow a good idea.

THIS. So much.

[Colorado_Outback]

I hear ya. My issue with the OP wasn't with what the fellow in the video did. It was with the 'hope' that his actions ended in tragedy.

Jesus. H. Christ.
Since all we do is argue semantics around here how about this..

I said he was an idiot, I hope he ended up pinned against a large grate and that being that stupid should hurt, a lot.

Where did I directly wish harm on him? You inferred that from my comment about the grate.

Take this story for example:

Guy "challenges environment", takes a 1/2 mile ride down river using his jeep as a canoe/submarine, and gets to clean some turds out of his pants.

LESSON LEARNED(hopefully), and you know what? Ill bet it hurt a little bit.

Chad Nobles needs some of that, before he gets a fire fighter killed trying to fish his stupid ass out of one of those tunnels.

http://www.ktvq.com/news/jeep-pulled-from-yellowstone-river-at-estmated-cost-of-10k/

Jeep pulled from Yellowstone River at estimated cost of $10K

BILLINGS - The 2010 Jeep Rubicon that was driven into the Yellowstone River at Sportsman's Park on Sunday has been removed, but not for cheap.
State game warden Kevin Holland said Tuesday that the vehicle was removed by the Billings Flying Service. The Jeep was secured by its roll bar and the doors were left open to drain water as it was lifted by a helicopter out of the river.
Billings Flying Service flew it to a neighboring field where a wrecker removed the waterlogged and destroyed Jeep.
Holland would not divulge the amount it cost the vehicle's owner to get the Jeep removed from the river, but he did say it cost "thousands" for the helicopter service.
Gary Blain, co-owner of the Billings Flying Service, said the total cost was close to $10,000.
Another co-owner, Al Blain, flew a Sikorsky S-61 (http://www.billingsflyingservice.com/aircraft/sikorsky-s61/) helicopter to pull the Jeep out of the river.
On top of paying to get the vehicle out of the river, the driver was cited for driving in an unauthorized area, a misdemeanor. The fine amount is up to a judge's discretion, but ranges from $0 to $500.
Holland said it is illegal to drive a vehicle into a fishing access for recreation other than to launch a boat into the river.
Officials said the Jeep went into the river at about 7 p.m. Sunday when three men and one woman were "having fun recreating." They drove the Jeep past the high-water mark and it was quickly swept away in the current.
The four were rescued by boat. The Jeep was carried a half mile down river.

[def90]

I was kinda hoping this was going to end with him pinned against a large grate.. Being this stupid should hurt, a lot.


http://vimeo.com/100950725

Hmmm, I'm guessing that you haven't kayaked much.. Other than the speed it looks pretty easy to me, looks like it wold have been fun though you can see the video jump forward in a ton of places which means that there were a lot of flat boring sections in between. As having kayaked a bit in my past I would say that they have most likely walked (scouted) the ditch multiple times beforehand and would know all of the possible obstructions and where it goes.. Getting pinned against a large grate? Didn't see it happen and if there was a grate at any point they would have likely seen it when they scouted the thing earlier..

I agree with the other poster above.. Boulder Creek above town at any level would be harder and more dangerous than this.

[TEAMRICO]

With Affordable Health Care anything is allowed.
Get hurt, no worries!!!!

This is the fastest way to death or someone else's who tries to save you.

[Colorado_Outback]

Hmmm, I'm guessing that you haven't kayaked much.. Other than the speed it looks pretty easy to me, looks like it wold have been fun though you can see the video jump forward in a ton of places which means that there were a lot of flat boring sections in between. As having kayaked a bit in my past I would say that they have most likely walked (scouted) the ditch multiple times beforehand and would know all of the possible obstructions and where it goes.. Getting pinned against a large grate? Didn't see it happen and if there was a grate at any point they would have likely seen it when they scouted the thing earlier..

I agree with the other poster above.. Boulder Creek above town at any level would be harder and more dangerous than this.

Armchair QB Fail. Re read and try again.

[SuperiorDG]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10547656_10152086793906442_1657646262958397746_n.j pg

[def90]

Armchair QB Fail. Re read and try again.

Not sure what there is to re-read.. Talk about armchair qb'ing.. How much whitewater kayak experience do you have?

People have been running drainage and irrigation ditches throughout Colorado for decades. Some of them are pretty famous runs..

sent from a soup can and some string..

[dirtrulz]

That looks about a tenth as dangerous as a class 4 or 5 whitewater. I would hope he walked it first to make sure there were no obstructions other than that is was a cake walk. he barely had to paddle. It actually looked like it would be fun.

[davsel]

My concern would be, how many young boys saw him go by, or saw the video, and are now thinking of jumping in on an inner-tube or raft during the next flood?
Dead kids are fished out of our drainage ditches every year.
Setting a bad example.

[PugnacAutMortem]

My concern would be, how many young boys saw him go by, or saw the video, and are now thinking of jumping in on an inner-tube or raft during the next flood?
Dead kids are fished out of our drainage ditches every year.
Setting a bad example.

Kids don't need to see this video to get the idea to ride a tube down a drainage ditch. Not exactly sure how this is "stupid". It's a concrete drainage ditch with a foot, maybe two of water in it. If this is "extreme" to you then I shudder to think what your daily lives are like.

[Zundfolge]

That drainage ditch goes behind my office ... had he been there when it was at his highest I seriously doubt he'd have survived (especially when he slammed into the bridge at Chestnut ... or the back side of La Bagette restaurant).

We all stepped out right after the rain subsided yesterday afternoon and it was almost out of its banks and moving at least 60mph.

[Monky]

Looks fun to me..

[def90]

My concern would be, how many young boys saw him go by, or saw the video, and are now thinking of jumping in on an inner-tube or raft during the next flood?
Dead kids are fished out of our drainage ditches every year.
Setting a bad example.

In that case all extreme skiing should be banned in case some kid might watch someone jump a cliff and decide to do it themselves..

sent from a soup can and some string..

[Colorado_Outback]

Not sure what there is to re-read.. Talk about armchair qb'ing.. How much whitewater kayak experience do you have?

People have been running drainage and irrigation ditches throughout Colorado for decades. Some of them are pretty famous runs..

sent from a soup can and some string..

Lol I don't have any. If you had read the the thread you would know that.
And FYI that's a city owned waste water drainage not a river.
If you can't understand why it's not smart to enter a waste water drainage well.. I don't know what to tell ya..

[Colorado_Outback]

So since you sound like you know about kayaking def90 what's the proper kayak manuver to enter one of those tunnels when the water level is 18 inches off the roof instead of 8 ft.

Just curious. .

[Ah Pook]

Looks like the Springs needs to clean the foliage out of their ditches.

Guess I'm not seeing the extreme or the stupid. Well, the need to video and post everything to the interweb is on the stupid side. Looks more like a sped up log ride. My "guess" would be that the area was scouted beforehand.

Lots of fast moving water but no real obstacles. Looks within the ability of a moderately skilled kayaker with appropriate equipment.

[cstone]

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I wanted to share my white water adventuring:


http://youtu.be/89vuJcl6pmQ

[Colorado_Outback]

So since you sound like you know about kayaking def90 what's the proper kayak manuver to enter one of those tunnels when the water level is 18 inches off the roof instead of 8 ft.

Just curious. .


Anyone care to answer this one?

AhPook?

[Ah Pook]

Anyone care to answer this one?

AhPook?
Only kayaked a few times. My guess would be to duck.

[Colorado_Outback]

People have been running drainage and irrigation ditches throughout Colorado for decades. Some of them are pretty famous runs..



sent from a soup can and some

I didn't realize all the cool kids were doing it.. that changes everything.
Hahaha classic.

[Colorado_Outback]

Only kayaked a few times. My guess would be to duck.

LOL. My point was you could easily find yourself in a situation where there isn't enough room for you and all the water in the tunnel.

[Rabid]

My concern would be, how many young boys saw him go by, or saw the video, and are now thinking of jumping in on an inner-tube or raft during the next flood?
Dead kids are fished out of our drainage ditches every year.
Setting a bad example.
A good parent should warn their children about the dangers that surround them in this world and instill fear of things like fast moving water.


Anyone care to answer this one?

AhPook?

Your asking a hypothetical but 1. Do not put your self in that situation by scouting or just not doing it. 2. If you do end up in that situation you do what you need to do. If you need a specific maneuver knowing that there is at least 6 feet of water below you a roll or a wet exit might do the trick.

[def90]

So since you sound like you know about kayaking def90 what's the proper kayak manuver to enter one of those tunnels when the water level is 18 inches off the roof instead of 8 ft.

Just curious. .

It's called scouting.. It's easy to do.

sent from a soup can and some string..

[Irving]

My concern would be, how many young boys saw him go by, or saw the video, and are now thinking of jumping in on an inner-tube or raft during the next flood?
Dead kids are fished out of our drainage ditches every year.
Setting a bad example.

I must be one of those kids, because I thought that was awesome!

[Jumpstart]

Awesome video. Yes it was dangerous, but so is living. I guess maybe we should now ask that urban kayaking be outlawed, and or regulated and taxed by our government.

[J]

I'm inferring a 'gray area' consensus from the disagreement here. Which is that we don't seem to have enough info to judge this scenario properly. I agree with my personal inference.

We are making assumptions on either side as to what the persons skill level was and how much scouting they did before they ran the ditch.

The two ends of the spectrum:
A) They just looked at the water and said "Hey, cool, lets go for a ride!" Then jumped in. Seems pretty damn dumb to me.
B) They are experienced at kayaking, and scouted the full route before hand to ensure that there were no obstacles or sections beyond their ability. Seems at least somewhat reasonable to me.

Without knowing which scenario we have here, we cannot really pass accurate judgement.

And, with what little I know about kayaks, I'm inclined to guess that kayaking (or rafting) white water in a fast, turbulent river is likewise pretty damn dumb without scouting, but reasonably acceptable given proper training and competency and a thorough scouting of your water before launch. Of course it is a sport that is never without risk, but it is a pretty popular sport none-the-less.

Now, on to Ginsue's comment:

That is something certainly worth discussing. Intentionally putting yourself in a situation that could kill would-be rescuers is clearly a liability that the person must take, and should not be a burden on the rescue personnel. Like everything else though, if we want to talk about this objectively, where is the line? How is it defined? Climbing a 14er might be considered extreme to some. And a quick moving storm, which can roll in over a matter of minutes on a BAD day, is certainly deadly up there. There are no trees, people are the tallest thing around on the top of the peak and lightning likes tall things. Should someone who breaks an ankle up there be given the same treatment as someone who kayaks down a drainage ditch? I'm sure there are plenty of 'blue' voters that think that USPSA multigun is pretty extreme, and that being near the range is a hazard to anyone. I don't agree, but you are kidding yourself if you think that will NEVER be proposed by the likes of Rhonda or her 'D' pals if we start an extreme sport / risky rescue law. I don't know the answer, I'm just proposing the hypotheticals for illustration and discussion. Perhaps collectively we can at least postulate a reasonable line.

[def90]

Simply eating your favorite eggs and bacon with biscuits and gravy everyday could be posing a threat to 1st responders. How many people die suddenly when their hearts blow out due to poor health/lifestlye choices every year? How many kayakers die every year? Having your heart explode while you are driving 65 down I25 puts 1st responders at just as much if not more risk than this guy did. The 1st responder has t drive at high speeds through traffic to respond, then they need to stand on a highway full of distracted drivers and the drive at high speed once again to the hospital. Pretty much all kayak deaths in colorado become recovery operations where the search is called off until the waters lower. I'd be willing to guess that statistically the biscuits and gravy guy is a bigger hazard to those around them.

sent from a soup can and some string..

[cstone]

I've seen the light. I saw those people stuck on that roller coaster for hours till the fire department could rescue them.

Kids...Disney is out. Too damn dangerous!

P.S. Life is 100% fatal. There should be a law against it! [panic]

[Colorado_Outback]

LOL. You guys are ridiculous.

[Colorado_Outback]

Ditch Playing in Ditches


Welcome to the Flash Flood Education page, sponsored by the City of Colorado Springs.



https://www.springsgov.com/SIB/images/Ditch%20Logo%20copy.jpg




Flash floods are one of the most serious natural threats in our area. Even though we live in a semi-arid environment, short-lived, powerful storms can and do happen. Often small streams can become rushing torrents for a brief period of time. Anyone caught in a streambed or ditch during such a flash flood has little chance of survival. That's why it's so important to learn more about flash floods!

[J]

Cool story bro.

Seriously though. Articulate the exact reasons you think the people with other views than you are wrong. I'd like some intellectual conversation here.

[Colorado_Outback]

Ill catch you guys tomorrow, I'm off to job #2.

[def90]

Ditch Playing in Ditches


Welcome to the Flash Flood Education page, sponsored by the City of Colorado Springs.

https://www.springsgov.com/SIB/images/Ditch%20Logo%20copy.jpg


Flash floods are one of the most serious natural threats in our area. Even though we live in a semi-arid environment, short-lived, powerful storms can and do happen. Often small streams can become rushing torrents for a brief period of time. Anyone caught in a streambed or ditch during such a flash flood has little chance of survival. That's why it's so important to learn more about flash floods!





Unless you are in a kayak.. then it's fun.. Seriously.. There is a state law that makes it illegal to close a river to kayaking and rafting.. when the "authorities" close the local creeks in the spring to tubing because it's too "dangerous" kayaking is just getting started and as a kayaker it is totally legal to walk around the tape and posted signs.

These guys must be idiots as well..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=085A7Iv6xzA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MiZKFaoZMU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwJhMOoRvds

[def90]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMydURBWB0k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3DRN6NP3U

This one looks a lot harder than the ditch..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W4BD_QN3dE

[Ronin13]

That looks fun as hell- I remember in my teens (probably 15 or so) I did some kayaking down the Gunnison... I really wish I had stuck with it, I could probably be pretty skilled right now. def90- that first drainage ditch vid you posted was awesome! Did he really say he went 56KPH? About 35MPH, seemed a lot faster than that.

Cool story bro.

Seriously though. Articulate the exact reasons you think the people with other views than you are wrong. I'd like some intellectual conversation here.
Well said! Colorado_Outback- I'm not trying to bust your chops, but you're coming off as quite an asshole in this thread. Don't take this the wrong way, but it reminds me of when I get into conversations about guns with people who know next to nothing about guns, they take a hard anti stance and they end up either sounding like a complete moron, or a total asshole. Tread carefully, friend.

[Colorado_Outback]

These guys must be idiots as well..


The guy in the first video is.

I have no problem with legitimate kayaking, in a river.

Entering a waste water drainage for any reason is stupid, in my opinion. Your not going to be able to convince me otherwise.

[Colorado_Outback]

Well said! Colorado_Outback- I'm not trying to bust your chops, but you're coming off as quite an asshole in this thread. Don't take this the wrong way, but it reminds me of when I get into conversations about guns with people who know next to nothing about guns, they take a hard anti stance and they end up either sounding like a complete moron, or a total asshole. Tread carefully, friend.

We established page one that I'm an asshole :)
I learned long ago not to concern myself with other peoples opinions, but thanks for the advice.

[J]

The guy in the first video is.

I have no problem with legitimate kayaking, in a river.

Entering a waste water drainage for any reason is stupid, in my opinion. Your not going to be able to convince me otherwise.

But why is entering said system stupid, and are there any circumstances or preparations before entering it that might make you think otherwise?

This is really debate 101. Don't assert a claim without giving reasoning.

Seriously... I don't do this so I have no dog in the fight. But these blanket claims do not make much of an educated discussion.

Stop assuming everyone sees what you see as obvious. Clearly they all do not. Debate your point as an articulate human being or risk having your opinion discarded by many readers.

You think it is dumb. But I have yet to see you detail and articulate your point of view. Instead you insult people or refer them back to your vague blanket statements from earlier in the thread.

I want to hear what exactly makes you have the opinion you do. Maybe you will sway me. Give it a shot, im open

[earplug]

Inventing flying machines, fast cars and bigger guns took guys like this.

[PSS]

Men that do things like this roll the dice and earn no sympathy from me (neither do they ask for it) when they bite the dust as a result the danger they willingly put themselves in. Just a hell yeah and a glad that wasn't me. Adrenaline is an awesome drug. As long as they take responsibility for the risk and avoid putting non participants in danger then I'm all for it. Grew out of that stage though.

[Bailey Guns]

Would it be stupid for me, a person who's never been in a kayak, to jump in a kayak and plop in that drainage? Yes. Would the same apply to an experienced person? Certainly not to the same degree. For an experienced kayaker I don't see that drainage ride as dangerous or stupid. It's a calculated risk.

For many people, drawing a gun from a holster and firing it is stupid and dangerous. But for an experienced person the risks are minimal.

I agree with J. Saying it's stupid without articulating specific reasons why, isn't really debate... it's just one person's opinion. A relatively uninformed opinion at that by the OP's own admission.

[Ronin13]

Men that do things like this roll the dice and earn no sympathy from me (neither do they ask for it) when they bite the dust as a result the danger they willingly put themselves in. Just a hell yeah and a glad that wasn't me. Adrenaline is an awesome drug. As long as they take responsibility for the risk and avoid putting non participants in danger then I'm all for it. Grew out of that stage though.
I'm glad you word it this way- "when they die doing this dangerous activity, I won't shed a tear for them." Instead of just huffing and saying that because someone took a risk they're an idiot. Kayaking can be hazardous. But then again, so can autocross, motocross, skydiving, wingsuit (ing?), paragliding, skiiing, snowboarding, surfing, diving, rock climbing, tiger wrestling... I could go on. "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."

[cstone]

Flying on Malaysian Airlines is now considered "high risk" behavior.

Be safe.

[Colorado_Outback]

I never intended to debate this topic just make fun of someone who posted his illegal shenanigans on the Internet.
If someone thinks I'm an asshole because of it.. oh well. They'll get over it, or not. Either way I'm on vacation next week so I'll leave it to the master debaters of GD.

[Ronin13]

I never intended to debate this topic just make fun of someone who posted his illegal shenanigans on the Internet.
If someone thinks I'm an asshole because of it.. oh well. They'll get over it, or not. Either way I'm on vacation next week so I'll leave it to the master debaters of GD.
I think that might be a point of contention right there... I don't (and many others agree) believe it's illegal.

[lostcolorado]

http://youtu.be/3KGfp9DfPNk

Not in Colorado. But still entertaining.

[Ah Pook]

I covered my eyes a couple of times.


http://vimeo.com/101732293

[RMAC757]

So since you sound like you know about kayaking def90 what's the proper kayak manuver to enter one of those tunnels when the water level is 18 inches off the roof instead of 8 ft.

Just curious. .

Way late to this one but I've kayaked for about 14-15 years. I'm not great....4+\5- boater ( and this is on a real scale, not a commercial rafter, " your doing a class 5 ! When it's actually a class 3 scale ). I've paddled the Narrows on the Poudre, Pretty much all of Clear Creek and the Big Thompson at flood stage to name a few. This guy is known as a good boater and the drainage ditch posed almost no risk. A little class 3 runout with a drop at the end. It's way riskier biking on Speer. He even threw out a "Brown Claw" for all those who know. No one in their right mind would run this without knowing if there was a gate up or log jam.

[RMAC757]

Would it be stupid for me, a person who's never been in a kayak, to jump in a kayak and plop in that drainage? Yes. Would the same apply to an experienced person? Certainly not to the same degree. For an experienced kayaker I don't see that drainage ride as dangerous or stupid. It's a calculated risk.

For many people, drawing a gun from a holster and firing it is stupid and dangerous. But for an experienced person the risks are minimal.

I agree with J. Saying it's stupid without articulating specific reasons why, isn't really debate... it's just one person's opinion. A relatively uninformed opinion at that by the OP's own admission.

Excellent point. This run is almost a non event for anyone remotely experienced. Illegal.....probably...so is jaywalking. And his gear is really gonna stink worse than it already does now.

[sabot_round]

This guy is a first class selfish moronic prick.

We need a shit-load of chlorine in the gene pool, and we need it fast.

I, too, disagree with the whole "challenging his environment" bullshit. Simply because that's all it is: Bullshit.

This guy, and others like him, are glory hounds who needlessly take extreme risks with no consideration for the safety or well-being of those who may be called in to rescue or recover him from his own selfish stupidity if one of the thousands of possible bad scenario's unfolds.

It needs to become very clear public policy from the local level all of the way to the national level that anyone willing to take an "extreme risk" will do so with the knowledge that there will be no rescue, no aid, no negotiations for you, and recovery of your body will only occur if/when nobody else is put at risk. For extreme risks, both Murphy & Darwin will be re-instated their proper authority and mankind will once again step aside.

This policy also needs to cover those dumb asses who think doing crap like hiking along the Iraqi-Iranian border or sneaking into North Korea is somehow a good idea.

Ding, ding, ding!! We have a winner!!