View Full Version : Sotomayor nominated to high court - good? bad?
gnihcraes
05-26-2009, 20:04
I poked around on the internet a little, seems like it might be a positive for the 2nd amendment issues.
President Barack Obama named federal appeals judge Sonia Sotomayor as the nation's first Hispanic Supreme Court justice on Tuesday, praising her as "an inspiring woman" with both the intellect and compassion to interpret the Constitution wisely...
ryanek9freak
05-26-2009, 20:21
Bad bad bad. She is nothing more than a liberal activist that's racist towards white people.
theGinsue
05-26-2009, 20:38
That's my take as well. Discrimination in any form is ugly.
Well the circus is still fun to watch.
ryanek9freak
05-27-2009, 05:56
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/26/blackwell_ken_obama_sotomayor/
Bad bad bad. She is nothing more than a liberal activist that's racist towards white people.
this
Judges are supposed to be impartial and rule based upon THE Constitution.
btw, the Constitution is NON-NEGOTIABLE, it is what it is.
GunTroll
05-27-2009, 07:53
I'm thinking no bueno!
I think with Olama following the liberal handbook to the letter like a teleprompter. If he tapped it, then it won't work and it will turn to shit. That is IMO though. But I haven't been proven wrong about them doing the wrong thing yet.
If she is racist towards white people then she might also hate Mexicans too. I would have loved to see him pick a freedom loving American like Uncle Ted. But I don't think he would tow the line like a good little girl from the ghetto would.
Did you hear that she was poor? If you haven't then you will. It seems to be at the top of her resume.
I grew up poor but since I am a white man I get no points for it.
I was listening to NPR, and of course they have tried to present both sides of the issue and had some guy on who was saying that she did some bad thing having to do with white firefighters or something. They cut the guy off, and he didn't do a good job explaining what he was talking about in the time that he was given. So far, I haven't seen any documentation of what she has done either way. Does anyone have something they can post up so we can make an informed decision?
Zundfolge
05-27-2009, 12:40
Bad bad bad. She is nothing more than a liberal activist that's racist towards white people.
Of course its not like Barry is going to pick anything OTHER than hard core leftist activists.
Only slight possible silver lining (more of a little fleck of silver on the lining) is that apparently she's not well regarded by other judges (even liberal ones) and is considered a very very difficult person to work with.
One liberal judge (who's name escapes me) said she's more likely to push fence sitters AWAY from her position just because of her abrasive manor.
Two words.
Unqualified Cunt.[Help]
I don't like how people call her unqualified. If you can read the Constitution, and make decisions based on what it says, then you are qualified to be a supreme court justice. A high school student can do that.
Here is a her Wikipedia page. It lists several cases that she has decided on. I still can't make up my mind. I'd have to read each case's page to make a decision I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
I don't like how people call her unqualified. If you can read the Constitution, and make decisions based on what it says, then you are qualified to be a supreme court justice. A high school student can do that.
I call her unqualified because she has already stated that she would go against the constitution. When you are sworn in a judge at that level it says that you will hold up the word of the constitution. If she doesn't, or if she takes the oath knowing that she will go against it then she is an "unqualified cunt"
I seem to have heard somewhere that alot of her cases were returned to another court? maybe i be wrong..
her quote though on we make the law, then jokingly recanting during an interview at some college is a little scary.
Keep posting things you guys have heard, because I've heard nothing of her except for what the media says.
Looking through the list of he cases on Wikipedia, I noticed some of them were over turned by other courts, but that doesn't seem to be anything important. All kinds of court cases get appealed and sent to other courts. I'm sure that there probably isn't a judge in existence who has never had a higher court rule differently than they did. With that in mind, I don't think that is much of an issue.
RRD3, I wasn't picking on you for calling her unqualified, but I'd heard that before from other people. I still think that unqualified is the wrong word. If she publicly stated that she would go against the constitution, that makes her unwanted, more than it does unqualified in my opinion. Do you remember where you heard her say that?
Sotomayor's personal story and her academic and legal credentials earn her respect from all quarters, but conservatives see plenty to criticize in her rulings and past statements. They describe her as a judicial activist who would put her feelings above the Constitution.
"I simply do not know exactly what the difference will be in my judging," she said in a speech in 2001. "But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage."
Janet Murguia, president and CEO of the National Council of La Raza, called Sotomayor's nomination "a monumental day for Latinos. Finally, we see ourselves represented on the highest court in the land."
In addition to Knight and Dabit, another case that supports this view, and in which Sotomayor's approach was rejected by the Supreme Court (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-860.ZS.html), was Malesko v. Correctional Services, in which Judge Sotomayor adopted an expansive view of Bivens actions to find an implied cause of action for damages against a private company operating a halfway house under a contract with the federal Bureau of Prisons. Another case in which she was reversed for adopting a "anti-business" position was Entergy Corp. v. Riverkeeper (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-588.ZS.html), in which she had held that the EPA impermissibly considered cost-benefit analysis when setting a standard under the Clean Water Act.
It is difficult to draw definitive conclusions based upon a handful of cases. As one would expect, most of Judge Sotomayor's opinions are unremarkable and involve clear applications of applicable law and precedent; only a small fraction are even potentially controversial. Few of her decisions have been reviewed by the Supreme Court. Her record of reversal (http://bench.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MThhNDQ0MTgyYTMxYWUwYzNjMmNmMzE2OGFiMDg5M2M=) in such cases seems high, but is that significant? The Supreme Court reverses appellate courts more often than not, so the reversal rate, by itself, may nor mean all that much. Still, it is interesting that Judge Sotomayor has been reversed more than once for adopting an excessively permissive standard for suits by anti-corporate plaintiffs.
Who wooo for more "Illegal" Immigrant rights, and a liberal socialist slant
A couple things about that article.
First, her quote is troubling for sure. Being a judge isn't about your experiences, it is about what is right and wrong with respect to the law.
Second, the quote about a latino finally representing hispanics in the highest court of the land is also troubling. As much as I despise the term, ALL courts should be "color blind" and rule based on the law. However, at the same time, perhaps we need to shuffle through some minorities on the bench so the lamen public feels represented, and they won't bitch and complain so much when justice is served correctly.
This article seems to say the same thing that I did about it probably not mattering that she has had decisions over turned.
Lastly, I don't see anything in that article that suggests that she has a weak spot for illegals, other than the fact that she is Hispanic.
ryanek9freak
05-27-2009, 16:44
I second the unqualified cunt.
Neither one of you have provided a single shred of evidence that she is a bad judge except a one sentence quote that is presented out of context. At least read the court case results on her Wikipedia page and tell us why you disagree with her rulings.
I'm not trying to stand up for this lady, but I want a good reason to get my hate on if I decide that she should not have been nominated.
ryanek9freak
05-27-2009, 16:48
Have you heard of the white firefighter case where they tried to sue for reverse discrimination? That's my biggest issue.
Yeah, I read about the case. There were 18 fire fighters that passed the test. 17 were white, 1 was Hispanic. The Fire Department decided to throw out the test results because not a single black person passed the test to qualify for a management position.
I feel like I can't make an informed decision on the results because I haven't seen the test, and don't know which answers were missed. If all the black people missed the same set of questions, but those questions didn't have anything to do with how they would handle the job, I'd say it was a test that should have been scrapped.
I really have a hard time believing there was some test question that only white people would know, that would some how be on a firefighters test though. This isn't some cultural trivia. The other thing that bothers me is how often do they change the test, compared to how often no black people passed the test? If the test was unchanged for 5 years, and only one year NO black people passed, then that doesn't seem like anything but coincidence to me.
The ruling certainly looks fishy, but I don't have enough info to comment.
ChunkyMonkey
05-27-2009, 17:02
Two words.
Unqualified Cunt.[Help]
Dry C*nt you meant... which has no use!
When she gives a speach at Berkley and states in a prepared statement that Hispanic Females can rule and judge better than a White male. This is racist.
If a white male judge had said the same thing in reverse he wouldn't even be allowed on the court lawn, not alone the fucking bench.
That was prepared statement. Not a slip of the tongue.
She is not fit. And yes I would have the same opinion of anyone who made a sexist or racist comment like that who wants to sit on the countries highest bench!
ryanek9freak
05-27-2009, 17:07
+10000
ChunkyMonkey
05-27-2009, 17:08
When she gives a speach at Berkley and states in a prepared statement that Hispanic Females can rule and judge better than a White male. This is racist.
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+1
I wouldn't argue that is racist, but I haven't seen where she said that. So far you are doing a great job backing up your own beliefs. I certainly can't say that you hate her for no reason. Like I said before, I have next to zero knowledge of her, so I don't have enough to form an opinion.
I wouldn't argue that is racist, but I haven't seen where she said that. So far you are doing a great job backing up your own beliefs. I certainly can't say that you hate her for no reason. Like I said before, I have next to zero knowledge of her, so I don't have enough to form an opinion.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/race/2009/05/is-sotomayor-a-reverse-racist.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5042585.shtml
And here is the transcript of here Berkley speech.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?_r=2
I re read my last post and it didn't seem clear to me. When I said, "I wouldn't argue that is racist," I meant that I would agree with you that her comment WAS racist. I wanted to clear that up.
I wouldn't argue that is racist, but I haven't seen where she said that. So far you are doing a great job backing up your own beliefs. I certainly can't say that you hate her for no reason. Like I said before, I have next to zero knowledge of her, so I don't have enough to form an opinion.
And the fact that you state that she's a racist doesn't give you enough to form an opinion about her? WTF mate?
It's just that if I was sitting at the bus stop, and some dude walked up to me and said, "See that guy over there? He just called me a honkey!" Sure I'd think the guy being pointed at was racist, but taken out of context, and only hearing that through word of mouth, I'd take my initial assessment with a grain of salt.
I'm really trying to move away from being seen as an "Everything Obama Hater." That requires me to really vet things out and play the devil's advocate. I'm sure you understand.
I re read my last post and it didn't seem clear to me. When I said, "I wouldn't argue that is racist," I meant that I would agree with you that her comment WAS racist. I wanted to clear that up.
Gotcha
Here is the email I got about her from GOA.
Obama Picks Anti-gun Judge for the Supreme Court
-- Time to start contacting your Senators right away
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org (http://www.gunowners.org/)
Friday, May 29, 2009
Unless you've taken a very long Memorial Day vacation, you've no doubt
heard the big news.
President Obama has picked an anti-gun radical to replace Justice David
Souter on the Supreme Court.
Obama's pick is Judge Sonia Sotomayor, who is currently on the U.S.
Court of Appeals for the Second District. There she has racked up an
anti-Second Amendment record and has displayed contempt for the rule of
law under the Constitution.
The Heller decision put the Supreme Court in support of the
Constitutional protection of the individual right to keep and bear arms.
Sotomayor, a politically correct lover of centralized government power
(as long as she is part of the power elite), immediately went into
counter-attack mode against the Heller decision.
Sotomayor was part of a three-judge panel earlier this year which ruled
in Maloney v. Cuomo that the Second Amendment does not apply to the
states. As she and her cohorts claimed, the Supreme Court has not yet
incorporated the states under the Second Amendment. Until then, she
believes, the Second only applies to the District of Columbia.
This is pure judicial arrogance -- something Sotomayor relishes (as long
as she is one of the ruling judges). In fact, protection of the right
to keep and bear arms was a major objective for enactment of the
Fourteenth Amendment, as recently freed slaves were being disarmed and
terrorized in their neighborhoods.
But Sotomayor disdains this important right of individuals, as indicated
by an earlier opinion from 2004. In United States v. Sanchez-Villar,
she stated that "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental
right."
Sotomayor has held very anti-gun views, even as far back as the 1970s.
Fox Cable News reported yesterday that in her senior thesis at Princeton
University, she wrote that America has a "deadly obsession" with guns
and that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right to
firearms ownership.
Sotomayor's Second Amendment views go hand in hand with her politically
correct views on the law and the role of judges.
In a speech given at Duke University in 2005, she made it abundantly
clear that judges are involved in making policy. Realizing that this
did not sound very judicial (even though most judges act on this basis),
Sotomayor tried to laugh off her brazen admission: "I know this is on
tape and I should never say that, [audience laughing], because we don't
make law -- I know. Um, okay. I know, I'm not promoting it, I'm not
advocating it." The audience continued to laugh. They got the joke.
But Sotomayor's joke will be on us and our liberties if she gets
confirmed to the Supreme Court. And that is why we need to start
contacting our Senators early and often, urging them to vote against
this dangerous nomination.
ACTION: Please contact your two Senators and urge them to oppose the
nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court. You can
go to the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators the
pre-written e-mail message below.
I sent my feed back... don't think it'll do anything but it's best to let them know we are not happy with it no matter the effect.
Colorado Luckydog
05-29-2009, 22:04
She is a racist pig! She thinks the second amendment belongs to the government not the people. She is just another stepping stone to the coming....
I think Power makes a person Dumb. I mean she may have graduated from a fancy school but her common sense and actions are those of a dumby. She tries to act humble and thankful but it is an act.
And I do think however she "thinks she" is better than most of the rest of the population and her stance on the second is just like the current admin. It SUX...
She is anti-second ammendment, anti-capitalist, and has been overturned like 87% of the time.
She will be confirmed and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to the age of Obama.
She is anti-second ammendment, anti-capitalist, and has been overturned like 87% of the time.
She will be confirmed and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to the age of Obama.
+1
Right on Roger. Plain and simple and to the meat of the matter.
AK545Man
05-30-2009, 13:45
So basically she's just as fucked up as most other judges?
The only difference being we know about her bullshit.
Jumpstart
05-30-2009, 14:16
So basically she's just as fucked up as most other judges?
No, she's more. Much more. At multiple levels.
I wonder if our tax dollars paid for her school.
seems like that is what Ritter wants to do...
GunTroll
05-30-2009, 22:40
I would think that is a big YES! And the other comment...I think your right.
theGinsue
05-31-2009, 01:36
The more I hear about this woman, the more I fear her sitting on the SCOTUS. A little independent investigating on my part is revealing more and more personal comments and official decisions that do not sit well with me. I don't think that she was nominated simply on the basis of her gender and ethnicity, but I do believe that these factors played a role. I think she got the nomination because of her history of court rulings which do not bode well for the nation and anyone who believes in their Constitutional Rights.
What really scares me is that I have no doubt that her nomination will be approved by the Senate with little to no hearings (remember what Clarence Thomas had to go through?).
I think looking into her past will be like digging up a septic tank. The deeper you go the smellier it is. We have to stop this biotch.
GunTroll
05-31-2009, 06:32
Good LUCK! Its happening unless something really bad comes up even the UBER LIB DEMS don't like. Like lets say.......pro 2A,or pro constitution,pro life, anti gay equal rights,etc. You see where I'm going? She will make it.[Shake]
Well lets start rumors. Like she wears fur that she shot herself with her M1A. That ought to piss off the libs.
AK545Man
05-31-2009, 16:18
Lol Doc that might work!
shit the DC gang has already hired a promotion company to air her life story so people can connect with the bitch...
wonder what kinda Do Rags they be gonna wear in the White House now..
AK545Man
06-01-2009, 07:41
The kind I'm selling.
So it's been a weekend, and I've decided that I don't like her. I'm glad the media finally started talking about the nunchuka case at least.
Talk about all the bad stuff early and get it out of the way.
GunTroll
06-01-2009, 16:11
Thats whats happening!
http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/sonia-maid.jpg
This isn't racist is it???? I thought it to be funny but hey I'm just a white guy shes better than me!
WE are the Minority,, get used to it.
AK545Man
06-02-2009, 11:54
GunTroll I am offended. lol
ChunkyMonkey
06-02-2009, 12:06
WE are the Minority,, get used to it.
YOU the minority.. get used to it! [ROFL3]
YOU the minority.. get used to it! [ROFL3]
If I wasn't working so damn hard to pay taxes I would be at home making sure I am not the minority ever. I can work and I can make sweet love. But I can't do both.
GunTroll
07-14-2009, 12:19
Change is coming! Thanks Barry!
Well you could but then you'd be in a different line of work[ROFL1]
If I wasn't working so damn hard to pay taxes I would be at home making sure I am not the minority ever. I can work and I can make sweet love. But I can't do both.
Thats whats happening!
http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/sonia-maid.jpg
This isn't racist is it???? I thought it to be funny but hey I'm just a white guy shes better than me!
she really does look like a maid. I should know as I see them 3 days a week when i stay at hotels.
Well you could but then you'd be in a different line of work[ROFL1]
DOC is the smiling guy in all the commercials!!! [Beer]
[ROFL2]
DOC is the smiling guy in all the commercials!!! [Beer]
[ROFL2]
I am that guy. I just don't know what the pills are for?[Coffee]
I am that guy. I just don't know what the pills are for?[Coffee]
LOL[Beer]
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