View Full Version : Secret gun storage, hidden in plain sight.
Update as of 10/22/18
These are now available at Whistling Pines Gun Club in Colorado Springs. You don't need to be a member to buy.
4750 PEACE PALACE POINT
We are located near Garden of the Gods Road and Centennial Blvd on the west side of Colorado Springs. Just turn northwest at 1068 Elkton Drive.
Hours of operation:
Sunday: 9:00 a.m.–6:00 p.m.
Tuesday: Closed
Monday, Wednesday through Saturday: 9:00 a.m.–8:00 p.m.
West Phone: (719) 375-3636
*Please note our road is new and as such it will sometimes not show up on map/GPS applications such as Google or MapQuest. If you would like to the above picture larger please click here. If you are going to use GPS, Google Maps, or MapQuest please use the following address: 1068 Elkton Drive, Colorado Springs, CO 80907
Another forum member (Zach O) and I have started prototyping secret gun storage devices. A big thanks goes out to Irving for the inspiration. (Irving, we have a special deal for you if you want one by way of a thank you)
These pics are of the first prototype. It runs on 100# rated ball bearing slides, and it moves very smoothly. There are detents in the closed position so it doesn't creep open. It feels extremely sturdy on the wall. I didn't load test it by piling it up with weights from the gym, but it's more than strong enough for any typical decorator stuff plus the guns inside. This one measures 42" Wide, 13 1/2" Deep, and 6 1/2" Tall. The inside of the drawer is 38" Long, 11" Deep and 4 3/4" Tall. We pre-drilled it with three mounting holes on 16" centers, though you could add additional holes if your stud configuration didn't suit you.
Prototype number two just needs final assembly. It's sized for handguns and is 22" wide, 13 1/2" Deep and 5" Tall. It's sitting in a pile on the bench and I'm expecting to assemble and mount it tomorrow.
As we get going, we'll work on other colors and styles to match various types of decor. The material we used for this one is a brand new offering from one of our major suppliers. It's a textured melamine, and it's extremely cool in person. We've been using it for high end closets and the like, and it's a hit. It's even manufactured in Denver. We chose green simply because I had some left over from another job. It's available in 11 colors, and we're going to have to narrow that down to 2 or 3. If you'd like to see what's available and voice your opinion, we'd really value it.
http://www.premiereurocase.com/capabilities/roucke-hd
Almost immediately (like I'll probably run it on the CNC tomorrow), we'll try a primed and sanded version that will be ready for paint. Pick a rattle can color or use latex paint and have any color you like. I imagine we'll offer black pre-painted. We're thinking about some more traditional styles that aren't so contemporary. Once we get the initial stuff sorted out, I'll work on those pretty quickly. We may also think about locking mechanisms, but I don't see much of a need. They stay closed very well, and no one would ever guess of trying to pull a shelf off the wall. In fact, most people are a little bit reluctant to touch anything hanging on a wall for fear that it will fall off. I probably can't sit on this without breaking it, but I'll bet my daughter can.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_0120_zpsa773f407.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_0120_zpsa773f407.jpg.html)
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See some new pics of the pistol version in post #19 below.
Sweet what is the approximate price point? Any plans to incorporate a lock of some sort like magnetic or RFID for those with roommates or kids?
Sweet what is the approximate price point? Any plans to incorporate a lock of some sort like magnetic or RFID for those with roommates or kids?
THIS^
I would buy one, how much?
ford_muscle1
07-21-2014, 21:28
That looks really nice. You should have no problem selling these. I'm going to be keeping an eye on this to see what else you come up with.
That's very cool, and you completed it VERY quick. Thank you for the shout out. I bet some gun case foam in there would be cool to keep everything in place. The only example of why you would need that though, is if you were having a rowdy house party and someone crashed into the shelf, or hit their head on it, and knocked a magazine over. Very impressive.
Also, that shelf looks like it'd look right at home as a fireplace mantel. How hard is it to protect that from heat?
beast556
07-21-2014, 21:34
Pricec and can one of thoese magnetic locke be installed??? Very interested.
Don't know about price yet, we have to get a feel for the labor on the painted versions. We will get two or three more prototypes built in the different sizes and the paintable versions, then we'll get some numbers out.
There are lots of ideas for locks from a simple unobtrusive pin to the more complicated magnetic locks. We'll be looking at it.
The painted version should stand up to the heat of being over a fireplace as long as you follow the guidelines in the building code. I wouldn't use one of these textured melamine versions in that application.
Would there be interest in a rustic style, maybe with a half log for the front face?
The Heretic
07-21-2014, 21:56
Outstanding work and idea. I would definitely be interested in one! Especially the rustic look.
Don't know about price yet, we have to get a feel for the labor on the painted versions.
Well if you need some models for prototypes. I'll lend my location for testing.
clublights
07-21-2014, 23:59
Needs Foam and a Price Tag ....
...otherwise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE
Absolutely brilliant. Without hesitation, I'll take one.
I woke up with the magnetic latch fully designed in my head. I'll test today...
Aloha_Shooter
07-22-2014, 06:48
As we get going, we'll work on other colors and styles to match various types of decor. The material we used for this one is a brand new offering from one of our major suppliers. It's a textured melamine, and it's extremely cool in person. We've been using it for high end closets and the like, and it's a hit. It's even manufactured in Denver. We chose green simply because I had some left over from another job. It's available in 11 colors, and we're going to have to narrow that down to 2 or 3. If you'd like to see what's available and voice your opinion, we'd really value it.
http://www.premiereurocase.com/capabilities/roucke-hd
Of those colors, I like Durango, Basalt, and Vail. After that, maybe Cortez, Silverton, and Aspen. I imagine there will be people who want an option of the solid colors (Black, White, Slate).
Very interesting! There seems to be a lot of assorted furniture items with hideaways popping up. If anyone can come up with and produce similar Colorado-made items, it would be Tim K! We have another talented cabinet maker here too, who maintains a lower profile.
HoneyBadger
07-22-2014, 09:45
I have a set of these in my home:
http://www.potterybarn.com/products/rustic-wood-ledge/?pkey=e%7CShelves%7C78%7Cbest%7C0%7C1%7C24%7C%7C10&cm_src=PRODUCTSEARCH||NoFacet-_-NoFacet-_-Shelves
My first thought when I unboxed them was "boy, there is a lot of wasted space in these. They could make really great hidden storage!"
Great-Kazoo
07-22-2014, 10:02
Will you be doing specific sizes, or work with customer (within reason) ? We have SBR's as well as limited areas / spaces to install. Didn't think the spouse would be interested based on space limitations. Turns out she thinks we need one in every room. HOUSEHOLD EXPENSE, yeah baby.
Once you work out price point we can go from there.
That's a good point. We're open to additional sizes, so if there is some specific set of interior dimensions you'd like, just let me know.
lostcolorado
07-22-2014, 12:43
Some foam would be a nice addition.
We made good progress today. I got the pistol sized version completed and mounted. Pics are below.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_0124_zps4cf7f504.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_0124_zps4cf7f504.jpg.html)
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I also worked on the idea for the magnetic catch, and I think it's going to work perfectly. I had to order some parts, so it will be a couple days before I have one of those ready for a video.
The painted versions got cut on the CNC today and are in the clamps drying. I'll get them assembled and sanded up tomorrow. Most likely, I'll prime one and leave it in that condition and paint the other black.
We're narrowing down pricing. The pistol size are going to be in the $175-$200 range. Rifle will be $200-$225. We have some fine tuning to do yet on the cost of materials and labor, but I think the final prices will fall in those ranges.
I'm sure someone will ask...the two tone is a 4" Wilson Combat aluminum frame bobtail, the full size is a Les Baer TRS.
I'd pay $225 for a rifle sized one.
I wish I could have the talent some of you folks have with wood. Spent wy too much fir a tool the other day that I probably will not get my money's worth out of but hey I guess having goals is better than nothing.
That pistol size one would make a wonderful floating night stand on each side of the bed. You know, just in case anyone needs to talk their spouse into buying a pair.
newracer
07-22-2014, 22:40
You should add a hidden latch so they cannot be opened accidentally.
bigshane
07-22-2014, 23:07
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Is it just me, or does Tom Clancy seem to be showing approval of this project?
I think the books were staged. Tim can't read
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
I think the books were staged. Tim can't read
It's criminal repellent. They want nothing to do with books.
You should add a hidden latch so they cannot be opened accidentally.
The design is done. Parts are on order and will be here later this week. It will be a magnetic catch. Wave the supplied magnet in the right spot and it will open.
newracer
07-23-2014, 10:49
The design is done. Parts are on order and will be here later this week. It will be a magnetic catch. Wave the supplied magnet in the right spot and it will open.
Awesome!
I notice the candles look like shotgun shells.
SideShow Bob
07-23-2014, 19:16
The design is done. Parts are on order and will be here later this week. It will be a magnetic catch. Wave the supplied magnet in the right spot and it will open.
How about a small metal plate attached underneath to store the magnet ?
I wouldn't want to be searching for the magnet at 0 - Dark thirty when I need quick access to the hidden firearms.
I'd pay $225 for a rifle sized one.
I wish I could have the talent some of you folks have with wood. Spent wy too much fir a tool the other day that I probably will not get my money's worth out of but hey I guess having goals is better than nothing.
Hell yeah! Me too! [Beer]
Hell yeah! Me too! [Beer]
Won't be long now...
Great-Kazoo
07-23-2014, 22:01
Hell yeah! Me too! [Beer]
for those of us unemployed, maybe you can pick up the slack.
Magnetic latch parts will be arriving today. Zach and I will be working through the remaining production issues over the weekend, and we should be ready to rock next week if everything goes well.
My sister in law is Shari Saiki, one of the top, if not the #1 interior designer in Hawaii. She's here right now, so I asked her to choose the three colors we are going to offer in the textured pre-finished versions. Her taste is perfect. Here's a link to her site, just for the hell of it.
http://www.sharisaiki.com/designstudio/
She picked Vail, Summit, and Basalt. Congratulations to all of you who picked those same colors. You have good taste, too. They can be seen here:
http://www.premiereurocase.com/capabilities/roucke-hd
To be clear, we will not be offering the goofy green color of the prototypes. We used that material simply because we had it in stock.
A question to you all. Is there interest in a unit long enough to hold a home defense shotgun with a buttstock, not a pistol grip? It's going to end up something like 52"-54" long.
Aloha_Shooter
07-25-2014, 13:55
A question to you all. Is there interest in a unit long enough to hold a home defense shotgun with a buttstock, not a pistol grip? It's going to end up something like 52"-54" long.
I don't have a need for hanging shelf like that but I'd probably think about keeping the shotgun in the living room if you start doing bookshelves or video shelves with a hidden recess.
Offer one that doubles as a Big Screen tv stand. I'll bet they will move if price is reasonable.
The hypnotized never lie
osok-308
07-25-2014, 18:57
Is it just me, or does Tom Clancy seem to be showing approval of this project?
This is amazing! [ROFL1]
for those of us unemployed, maybe you can pick up the slack.
Shit, even unemployed you still probably make more than me. :)
Since having to leave my house and move into this tiny apartment I have been pondering ways to "hide" things and not in the typical "Safes."
If these are around $230 that is WAY cheaper than all the others I have seen around on the net.
skullybones
07-26-2014, 09:15
Awesome new product offering Tim!
Great-Kazoo
07-26-2014, 09:57
Offer one that doubles as a Big Screen tv stand. I'll bet they will move if price is reasonable.
The hypnotized never lie
How you plan on opening it, with a 47" + screen on it?
these are cool...look plenty strong, but seem kinda thick/deep. could you make them just deep enough for a pistol?
alternatively could you make em like this? tacticalwalls.com
Nice. Could you do this with a picture frame? The front could drop vertically or slide horizontally revealing a space behind it for a pistol? Just a thought.
V
these are cool...look plenty strong, but seem kinda thick/deep. could you make them just deep enough for a pistol?
The depth on the long one is just enough to fit an AR. The strength comes from the height. We could make the pistol version shorter, but I don't know that it would be strong enough. Short answer, no.
KevDen2005
07-27-2014, 15:46
I would be very interested in a product like this. I was thinking of more of a coat rack design to hide an AR
Bitter Clinger
07-28-2014, 12:27
Id for sure be interested in a couple of these!
We have lots of progress to report. The primed and painted versions have been tested now. We will be offering five color choices in each size. They are as follows:
Wood Grained Melamine - They are arranged from left to right. I took pics in bright sunlight (top set) and under artificial light in my office (lower set)
1. Summit
2. Basalt
3.Vail
Painted
4. Primed, ready for you to paint the color of your choice
5. Primed and painted satin black.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_0133_zps42b213ba.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_0133_zps42b213ba.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_0135_zpsf0c53d64.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_0135_zpsf0c53d64.jpg.html)
This is a pic of a primed pistol shelf.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_01411_zps11482fa3.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_01411_zps11482fa3.jpg.html)
Here's the painted pistol shelf in the close position. Sorry I don't have it in a fancy background, I've run out of empty walls around the house!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_0147_zps6589ca86.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_0147_zps6589ca86.jpg.html)
This is the painted pistol shelf in the open position. Notice we changed the interior color to black. No reason for that other than that it looks cool.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/tkulin/IMG_0148_zps893a98db.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/tkulin/media/IMG_0148_zps893a98db.jpg.html)
This is a video of the magnetic lock. The units will come with a magnet. Hold it one way to lock, the other to unlock. Stick the magnet to something nearby to keep it handy Shoot, if your house has steel corner bead under the drywall, you can just stick it to the wall.
http://youtu.be/t3YQ2K2sRnI
Final pricing is as follows:
Pistol size shelf
Wood Grained Melamine $200
Primed, ready for paint $225
Primed, painted satin black $250
Rifle size shelf
Wood Grained Melamine $225
Primed, ready for paint $250
Primed, painted satin black $275
Stay tuned for a special introductory offer to the COAR crowd. I'll have details in a couple days.
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newracer
07-29-2014, 22:05
They look great! My wife even likes them.
beast556
07-29-2014, 22:38
Looks good will be keeping a close eye on this thread.
DuckTape&550Cord
07-30-2014, 16:13
This is way cool. It would be wise to invest in a Patent on this design.
Would there be a way to reverse the pieces so that your drawer opens from it w/o moving the top panel? This would allow you to open it w/o worrying about whatever you have in top moving around and getting in the way of weapon retrieval or falling over.
argonstrom
07-30-2014, 18:39
This is a video of the magnetic lock. The units will come with a magnet. Hold it one way to lock, the other to unlock. Stick the magnet to something nearby to keep it handy Shoot, if your house has steel corner bead under the drywall, you can just stick it to the wall.
http://youtu.be/t3YQ2K2sRnI
Final pricing is as follows:
Pistol size shelf
Wood Grained Melamine $200
Primed, ready for paint $225
Primed, painted satin black $250
Rifle size shelf
Wood Grained Melamine $225
Primed, ready for paint $250
Primed, painted satin black $275
Stay tuned for a special introductory offer to the COAR crowd. I'll have details in a couple days.
.
Awesome! When you have a rifle size shelf ready to go, let me know!
Now you just need to embed the magnet into the base of some sort of object that can be set around hidden in plain sight. Maybe have a matching pair of the objects... one to lock, one to unlock.
Something like a candle holder, or book end, or similar. Make them different lengths... the long one locks, the short one unlocks. Then you just grab your object from somewhere near by and lock/unlock it.
Also, would felt lining, or pick and pluck foam be good ideas as add-ons, or accessories to offer your customer?
We're experimenting with some linings. We will likely be offering something.
We're also working on making the mechanism lock automatically. That way, you don't need to reverse the magnet to lock it.
We are now taking orders. See the thread in non-firearms items for sale.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/136027-Secret-gun-storage-Pre-Order?p=1685571#post1685571
Schrambo
08-04-2014, 13:43
Offer one that doubles as a Big Screen tv stand. I'll bet they will move if price is reasonable.
The hypnotized never lie
+1, I'd be in for that...
newracer
08-04-2014, 13:59
Offer one that doubles as a Big Screen tv stand. I'll bet they will move if price is reasonable.
The hypnotized never lie
+1, I'd be in for that...
Mount your TV on the wall with the stand still attached. Then mount the shelf right below it so it looks like the TV is standing on it.
Schrambo
08-04-2014, 14:08
D'oh, smarter...
I'm still not sure why they don't just make the shelf portion the part that's fixed to the wall rather than have it being the moving part. Also creates a barrier between you and your gun of whatever is sitting on top given it hasn't come crashing down when you slide it open to access the firearm. I'm not bashing, just not sure if there's a good reason why they did it this way rather than that way since they didn't address my question the first time.
It's easier to conceal the fact that it opens at all that way.
It's easier to conceal the fact that it opens at all that way.
Exactly right. It's all about not having a telltale joint. We've also done many, many bookcases that hide gun rooms, panic rooms, and other interesting spaces. Lots of them for guys here. Our trademark is invisibility. I'd ask them to chime in here, but people with secret spaces typically don't want to advertise the fact. The construction method we are using makes it extremely difficult to detect that there is anything going on inside.
If this product sells as we expect once we get into our full marketing campaign, we will be looking at other designs and concepts. At that time, we will revisit all ideas and see which ones can be made to work up to our standards.
Exactly right. It's all about not having a telltale joint. We've also done many, many bookcases that hide gun rooms, panic rooms, and other interesting spaces. Lots of them for guys here. Our trademark is invisibility. I'd ask them to chime in here, but people with secret spaces typically don't want to advertise the fact. The construction method we are using makes it extremely difficult to detect that there is anything going on inside.
If this product sells as we expect once we get into our full marketing campaign, we will be looking at other designs and concepts. At that time, we will revisit all ideas and see which ones can be made to work up to our standards.
But you have a seam either way. Not sure why you can't have a seam where they line up and have it slide out like a drawer for all the reasons I've mentioned.
newracer
08-05-2014, 14:14
The was it is designed there is no seam visible on the front, just looks like a thick shelf. If you had a drawer open from the front you would see the seems on the side and the top of the pullout, it would be very obvious.
Lex_Luthor
08-05-2014, 15:01
Nice job Tim! Those are AWESOME!
UPDATE 3/5/15
After a long pause to adopt a child from China, this project is back on track. I've re-activated the pre-order thread. Link is here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/136027-Secret-gun-storage-Pre-Order
I'm asking everyone to reconfirm what you want since it's been such a long wait. Details are in the Pre-Order post.
Snowman78
03-05-2015, 18:13
congratulations on the adoption!!
I'm in for one. Just need to pick out the color.
Update as of 10/22/18
These are now available at Whistling Pines Gun Club in Colorado Springs. You don't need to be a member to buy.
4750 PEACE PALACE POINT
We are located near Garden of the Gods Road and Centennial Blvd on the west side of Colorado Springs. Just turn northwest at 1068 Elkton Drive.
Hours of operation:
Sunday: 9:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m.
Tuesday: Closed
Monday, Wednesday through Saturday: 9:00 a.m.-8:00 p.m.
West Phone: (719) 375-3636
*Please note our road is new and as such it will sometimes not show up on map/GPS applications such as Google or MapQuest. If you would like to the above picture larger please click here. If you are going to use GPS, Google Maps, or MapQuest please use the following address: 1068 Elkton Drive, Colorado Springs, CO 80907
Awesome! When you have a rifle size shelf ready to go, let me know!
That is slick, with the magnet feature and the drawer being able to lock it looks as if someone may think its a real shelf if they were in your house rummaging through your stuff
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