KOAA runs story on shiny new gun laws.

[Justin]

http://www.koaa.com/news/news-5-investigates-loopholes-in-colorado-gun-laws/

So it turns out there's no evidence that the state's shiny new gun laws actually work.

[Great-Kazoo]

http://www.koaa.com/news/news-5-investigates-loopholes-in-colorado-gun-laws/

So it turns out there's no evidence that the state's shiny new gun laws actually work.

UNFORTUNATELY, the ones who don't know this, make the laws. Even if in their heart they know it does nothing. [facepalm]

[Aloha_Shooter]

... and in other breaking news, the sun will rise tomorrow and Hamas still hates Israel.

[Gman]

...but it's for the CHILDREN. It doesn't matter that criminals don't obey laws.

[sabot_round]

...but it's for the CHILDREN. It doesn't matter that criminals don't obey laws.

Criminals don't obey the law??? Who would've thunk that!?!?[Sarcasm2]

[TFOGGER]

... and in other breaking news, the sun will rise tomorrow and Hamas still hates Israel.


Water: Wet! Sky: Blue!

[GilpinGuy]

Scientific study reveals that dog shit stinks.

[Ronin13]

Wait, you mean in 1 whole year there has yet to be anyone busted for illegally possessing an "illegal" magazine? These laws must be working! Look at those enforcement numbers! [Sarcasm2]

[kidicarus13]

Nothing unexpected in the story but at least they were truthful in their reporting.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I love lamp.

[Justin]

Nothing unexpected in the story but at least they were truthful in their reporting.

I prefer to think of it as proof that these laws are so shoddily written and ineffective that not even the left-wing's personal cheer leading squad can put a shine on that turd.

[cysoto]

I can already hear the Brady Bunch saying that the reason these laws aren't working is only because the authorities refuse to enforce them.

Heck, I even heard one person the other day say that these laws are obviously working because, since they were enacted, we haven't had another massacre in Colorado. : Face Palm:

[68Charger]

They did not pass those laws because they thought they would actually work like they said they would... There is a much lower purpose at work here..

[BPTactical]

They did not pass those laws because they thought they would actually work like they said they would... There is a much lower purpose at work here..

For the win.

[TheBelly]

I prefer to think of it as proof that these laws are so COMPLETELY UNECCESSARY that not even the left-wing's personal cheer leading squad can put a shine on that turd.

FIFY

[Gman]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/ap-expanded-gun-sale-background-checks-in-colorado-led-to-fewer-reviews-than-expected


DENVER - A law expanding background check requirements on Colorado gun sales has been in effect for about a year, and an Associated Press analysis of state data compiled during that span shows the projected impact was vastly overstated in a key budget report.

The discovery has prompted a prominent Democratic lawmaker to question whether the Legislature misallocated millions of taxpayer dollars based on the flawed estimate, which has provided an opportunity for Republicans to resume attacks over regulation that already has come at great political cost to Colorado liberals.

Democrats pushed the proposal into law last year as part of a package of gun restrictions meant to improve safety after devastating mass shootings.

Lawmakers drafting the background check requirement, aimed at keeping firearms away from those with a criminal history, relied on information from a non-partisan research arm of the Legislature that predicted about 420,000 new reviews over the first two years. Accordingly, they budgeted about $3 million to the agency that conducts the checks to handle the anticipated surge of work.

But after a year of operating under the new system, Colorado Bureau of Investigations officials have performed only about 13,600 reviews considered a result of the new law — about 7 percent of the estimated first year total.

"I'm not discouraged by the lower number," said Democratic Rep. Rhonda Fields, who sponsored the legislation in response to the Aurora movie theater rampage that killed 12 and wounded dozens of others in her district and the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, that left 28 people dead, including 20 first-graders.

"I think that it's a good number, because it shows me that people are complying with the law," she said.

Still, Fields acknowledged, "I'm going to be asking some questions because I want to be a good steward of our tax dollars."

For Republicans, it provides evidence that a plan they opposed from the start was an unnecessary attack on the rights of gun owners and bolsters the conservative efforts that recalled two Democratic state senators and prompted a third to resign.

"Nothing good came of the passage of the law, except we found out just how anti-gun Democrats in Colorado are," said GOP state Sen. Greg Brophy.

The funding increase, CBI officials say, has gone to hiring and operating expenses. Spokeswoman Susan Medina told the AP that about a dozen full-time employee positions have been filled since the increase, but that "the full authorized staff was not implemented."

Medina says the agency has funding for about 14 more full-time employee positions that have gone unfilled. It wasn't clear how much of the $3 million allocation has gone unspent.

The 420,000 estimate was provided by a standard Colorado Legislative Council review. The council regularly assesses costs or other impacts of legislation. Officials with the panel aren't allowed to speak publicly but provided AP with an explanation of how they reached the figure.

Gun-control advocates have long asserted that 40 percent of gun sales nationwide are made by private sellers and thus not subject to background checks. President Barack Obama cited the number last year, unsuccessfully urging Congress to pass a law mandating "universal background checks."

But that figure, which Colorado legislative analysts and CBI officials say was the best available for the basis of their estimation calculus, comes from a 1997 National Institute of Justice report that gun-right's activists criticize as inaccurate.

Catherine Mortensen, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association, said that using the 40 percent figure as a basis for Colorado's projection "calls into question lawmakers' access to accurate information on not only this, but all firearms-related legislation."

In total, there were about 311,000 background checks done during the first year of the expansion in Colorado, meaning the 13,600 checks between private sellers made up about 4 percent of the state total.

Further, the private review figure includes the number of checks done at gun shows, which have been required for years in Colorado.

The law also requires checks for online sales, which is new for transactions within Colorado. But such vetting was already required on interstate sales. Still, interstate activity is tallied in the private background check total.

Taken together, this indicates that the number of newly mandated background checks that have been performed is even lower than 13,600.

Of the 13,600, there were 260 denials the first year under the expanded system. But because of how state data is compiled, however, it's unclear how many of those denials are tied to the new law, and how many happened under existing rules such as the gun-show requirement.

Still, Brian Malte, senior national policy director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said his group applauds Colorado for passing the law.

"The bottom line," he said, "is even if one, or five, or 10, or 10,000 or 20,000 people are being blocked, that's less dangerous people walking around with guns."

[Bailey Guns]

Hmmm.... Two pretty fair and accurate news reports on the new gun laws from two different media outlets in the same week, both reaching pretty much the same conclusion...democrats lied to force unwanted laws on us (again) and the laws were unnecessary and are ineffective at doing what we were all assured they would do by democrats. What is this world coming to?

Next thing you know cats and dogs will be living together in peace and harmony.

Kudos to the journalists responsible for both stories...they were actually very fair considering the subject and sources and neither was full of anti-gun sensationalism and hyperbole. Except, of course, the quotes from the anti-gun liberals.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Oh c'mon Bailey, you couldn't have posted it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk

[SuperiorDG]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/ap-expanded-gun-sale-background-checks-in-colorado-led-to-fewer-reviews-than-expected

And how many tried to point this out? We just heard that these "facts" a "common sense" and there was no need to question them. These politicians that are responsible for this crap, one and all, need to be fired so they stop wasting our money and taking away our freedoms.

[Gman]

And how many tried to point this out? We just heard that these "facts" a "common sense" and there was no need to question them.
That's a favorite leftist tactic. "The science is settled, there's no need to discuss it further."

Your right to free speech ends when you disagree with them.

[kidicarus13]

democrats lied to force unwanted laws on us (again) and the laws were unnecessary and are ineffective at doing what we were all assured they would do by democrats.

As goes the future of Colorado and eventually the country. As a youth I always wondered why older people said things like, "I'm glad I won't be around to see the outcome of _______." Now I'm starting to feel that way myself.

[Mtn.man]

Well the Duh factor.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/7/colorado-experience-soundly-refutes-common-anti-gun-talking-point.aspx

[vossman]

But nothing will be done with their screw up! What a bunch of crap.

[cstone]

Hey, the Democrats were only off by 33% in their made up statistics. Would you expect anything better?

7% of $3 million is $210,000. What are the odds that DPS spent more than that on the extra 7% reviews conducted? [Sarcasm2]

[Gman]

It's actually only about 4%. They're also including gun show BGCs, which were already covered under law.

ETA:..and this is a repost.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/135679-KOAA-runs-story-on-shiny-new-gun-laws

[Hound]

November.

[Gman]

Elections have consequences. Make it count.

[theGinsue]

Threads merged.