Whisky Tango Foxtrot: Obama weighs "Amnesty" on immigration

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House and Senate lawmakers are running up against an end-of-the-week August recess without a compromise on legislation addressing the border crisis -- potentially playing into the hands of President Obama as he weighs sweeping unilateral action on immigration.
Speculation is widespread about what actions the Obama administration might take on its own, but advocates and lawmakers in touch with the administration tell The Associated Press that the White House is making plans to act to grant work permits to potentially millions of immigrants who are in this country illegally.
The claims have drawn urgent warnings from Republican lawmakers, including Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., who said such an "amnesty" would be a "permanent stain" on Obama's presidency. Sessions on Monday urged the president to "pull back."
But inaction in Congress on the surge of illegal immigrants along the southern border could fuel Obama's claims that he is compelled to address the issue from the Executive Branch -- even if Republicans say amnesty-style measures could inflame the problem.
While Congress weighs Obama's request for $3.7 billion to deal with the crisis of unaccompanied youths, Senate Democrats are proceeding with their own $2.5 billion bill -- while House Republicans are moving on a significantly scaled-back plan that comes in well under a billion dollars. The House Republican measure would cost $659 million for the remainder of the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. The bill includes several policy changes, including using the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol, changing a 2008 law that lawmakers say has made it harder to process illegal immigrant minors from Central America, and authorizing additional judges to hear the cases.
The House may be able to advance their bill in time to send something to the Senate on Thursday, right before the August recess.
The Senate, meanwhile, is trying to move forward on its own bill. But due to the trickiness of Senate procedure, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid might still be running through procedural hoops come Friday.
Without any compromise bill, both sides of the aisle will be poised for a rhetorical battle during the August recess.
Meanwhile, the Obama administration is weighing its own actions.
White House officials led by Domestic Policy Council Director Cecilia Munoz and White House Counsel Neil Eggleston, along with Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, have been working to chart a plan on executive actions Obama could take, hosting frequent meetings with interest groups and listening to recommendations from immigration advocates, law enforcement officials, religious leaders, Hispanic lawmakers and others.
Advocates and lawmakers who were in separate meetings Friday said that administration officials are weighing a range of options including reforms to the deportation system and ways to grant relief from deportation to targeted populations in the country, likely by expanding Obama's two-year-old directive that granted work permits to certain immigrants brought here illegally as youths. That program, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, has been extended to more than 500,000 immigrants so far.
Advocates would like to see deferred action made available to anyone who would have been eligible for eventual citizenship under a comprehensive immigration bill the Senate passed last year, which would be around 9 million people. But Obama told them in a meeting a month ago to "right-size" expectations, even as he pledged to be aggressive in steps he does take.

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Does this surprise anyone?[pileoshit]

[DavieD55]

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[Bailey Guns]

It should be legal nationwide to shoot, on sight, anyone who has MS-13 tattooed on them.

[Great-Kazoo]

It should be legal nationwide to shoot, on sight, anyone who has MS-13 tattooed on them.

That's why they're here. The violence is so bad in their country of origin. Unfortunately The people / .gov entities supporting blanket invasion, have no clue. Or could care less. Besides 40K across the border, allows those limousine liberals time to pick through the herd, allowing only the most tear jerker kids to be featured.

Slap 2-3 pics of the real problem on the air waves. Hell Charlie Rangel be there, with his Korean Issued Garand.,

[Pancho Villa]

My dad was an illegal (retired principal engineer for a division of catepillar now,) and in my younger years as a poor boy I spent a lot of time living in that community (mostly hispanic, but a surprising number of Africans as well.) Never seemed overwhelmingly violent to me, living there, though of course there were gangs. For the most part they just seemed like people who wanted to come here to work and live quiet lives. Hard to be angry at that.

[hurley842002]

My dad was an illegal (retired principal engineer for a division of catepillar now,) and in my younger years as a poor boy I spent a lot of time living in that community (mostly hispanic, but a surprising number of Africans as well.) Never seemed overwhelmingly violent to me, living there, though of course there were gangs. For the most part they just seemed like people who wanted to come here to work and live quiet lives. Hard to be angry at that.
Wow, slacking a bit aren't you? Doesn't normally take you this long to defend illegal immigrants. I know of plenty of folks who also committed crimes from theft, to rape, to murder, but their offspring aren't defending or condoning it. Illegal is illegal....

[Pancho Villa]

It's a bit silly to say "illegal is illegal." Not all laws are just, not all laws ought to be obeyed. There's plenty of American history behind that. It was illegal for blacks to not give up seats to white people at a point in history not too long ago, and I don't think anyone would say today that "illegal is illegal" and no one should have violated those laws out of respect for the rule of law.

If you're mad that people are coming over who aren't like you, that's fine and I guess we can talk about it, but I'm not impressed with "its against the law and therefore is automatically bad." Its kind of a cop out.

[ChunkyMonkey]

My dad was an illegal (retired principal engineer for a division of catepillar now,) and in my younger years as a poor boy I spent a lot of time living in that community (mostly hispanic, but a surprising number of Africans as well.) Never seemed overwhelmingly violent to me, living there, though of course there were gangs. For the most part they just seemed like people who wanted to come here to work and live quiet lives. Hard to be angry at that.

Fortunately, you are the anchor baby, and dont know what it feels like to be a legal immigrant and only to be put in the back of the line of the illegals. I despise them. If I could make it here legally and was able to bring my lil bro and parents here legally. ANYONE should be able to.

If the illegals want shortcut, at least dont sacrifice those who do it legally. Obama is doing just that.

[roberth]

It's a bit silly to say "illegal is illegal." Not all laws are just, not all laws ought to be obeyed. There's plenty of American history behind that. It was illegal for blacks to not give up seats to white people at a point in history not too long ago, and I don't think anyone would say today that "illegal is illegal" and no one should have violated those laws out of respect for the rule of law.

If you're mad that people are coming over who aren't like you, that's fine and I guess we can talk about it, but I'm not impressed with "its against the law and therefore is automatically bad." Its kind of a cop out.

By your logic, if I robbed a bank to give money to poor people I should be absolved of the crime of bank robbery because my intentions were good.

Illegals are criminals, including your father, the only reason you're perceived to be legal is by the mistaken idea that the 14th applies to you which it does not therefore you're here illegally too. You should go back to whatever 3rd world shithole your father came from instead shitting all over this country and our constitution.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Remember when pancho villa didn't post for a very long time? Yeah me too. It was awesome.

[Pancho Villa]

No, by my logic, we can discuss whether a law is just and proper or not.

You know, like Obamacare being the law doesn't mean you should just shut up and obey it.

[Pancho Villa]

You don't have to read anything I write if you find it really offensive.

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[ChunkyMonkey]

No, by my logic, we can discuss whether a law is just and proper or not.

You know, like Obamacare being the law doesn't mean you should just shut up and obey it.

Is there a way NOT to obey Obamacare? Either buy in or pay fine. Will they grant amnesty to those of us who refuse to buy in?

Meanwhile illegals break the law and want free status.

[Pancho Villa]

Is there a way NOT to obey Obamacare? Either buy in or pay fine. Will they grant amnesty to those of us who refuse to buy in?

Meanwhile illegals break the law and want free status.

I'm okay with Obamacare being repealed and everyone who is facing fines having the collections against them dropped, for example. In fact I think that'd be the best thing to do.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I'm okay with Obamacare being repealed and everyone who is facing fines having the collections against them dropped, for example. In fact I think that'd be the best thing to do.

So you are comparing us, the citizen/resident of this country, for disagreeing to certain law of the land to those who broke into this country and disagreeing that he/she actually broke in or not. [LOL]

[Pancho Villa]

Well certain people have broken a certain law. They certainly did. The question is whether the current laws around things - such as healthcare, or immigration - are the right laws to have. You can disagree on that but you can't say they're categorically different.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Well certain people have broken a certain law. They certainly did. The question is whether the current laws around things - such as healthcare, or immigration - are the right laws to have. You can disagree on that but you can't say they're categorically different.

Huge different. The first one is required onto ALL resident of this land. The 2nd one is a choice. You can enter this country legally... or you can choose to be illegal. Silly pancho.

[Pancho Villa]

Huge different. The first one is required onto ALL resident of this land. The 2nd one is a choice. You can enter this country legally... or you can choose to be illegal. Silly pancho.

You should learn English if you're going to live in this country. [ROFL2]

Just kidding. I don't think violating either law is a big deal. You disagree. That's fine, I'm not here to convince you of anything.

[Great-Kazoo]

If you're mad that people are coming over who aren't like you, that's fine and I guess we can talk about it, but I'm not impressed with "its against the law and therefore is automatically bad." Its kind of a cop out.


What i and many others are MAD at is how the left, D's and white guilt liberals, kiss an illegals ass. OH how sad your country is run by cartels, here's $25K in FREE benefits to get you on your feet.

HOW many VETERANS, Homeless (who want to work) , Kids in foster homes with no where to go does this country have? Over crowded schools with plenty of free tuition for illegals, yet our kids pay full boat.
Some Indian reservations have an inexcusable mortality rate, nothing but .gov cheese and nothing within walking distance for employment.
TOO Fukin MANY, YET we (current administration) do everything we can to assist ILLEGALS and PUSH OFF TO THE SHADOWS, the AMERICAN CITIZENS who need our help.

BUT, BUT there's no money in the budget for them. REALLY stop money to illegals assistance programs, stop anchor babies from bringing 10 more of their family here, stop the medical and social programs they receive NOW. Take care of our own, let their country of origin take care of them.

Whether they are like me or not is not the issue. When you and everyone else who supports AMNESTY, FREE SOCIAL PROGRAMS come to terms it's not sustainable. Then we can discuss a place for them. Till then not in the cards, or this country

[ChunkyMonkey]

You should learn English if you're going to live in this country. [ROFL2]

Just kidding. I don't think violating either law is a big deal. You disagree. That's fine, I'm not here to convince you of anything.

But I am here to convince you. I may even switch to democrat party affiliation, then I can go head and make the decision for you.

[Pancho Villa]

What i and many others are MAD at is how the left, D's and white guilt liberals, kiss an illegals ass. OH how sad your country is run by cartels, here's $25K in FREE benefits to get you on your feet.

HOW many VETERANS, Homeless (who want to work) , Kids in foster homes with no where to go does this country have?
TOO Fukin MANY, YET we (current administration) do everything we can to assist ILLEGALS and PUSH OFF TO THE SHADOWS, the AMERICAN CITIZENS who need our help.

BUT, BUT there's no money in the budget for them. REALLY stop money to illegals assistance programs, stop anchor babies from bringing 10 more of their family here, stop the medical and social programs they receive NOW. Take care of our own, let their country of origin take care of them.

I don't know anyone who received a bunch of benefits as illegals. My dad certainly didn't. The illegals I was around didn't go for food stamps or welfare - and the application process would attract attention to you, which is something they dislike for obvious reasons.

Do you have a link to a credible study showing that occurs? The only thing I've ever seen is a NumbersUSA study where the methodology is a flat assumption that illegal immigrants use social services at the exact same rate as legal residents in their same ethnicity/wealth level, with no reason to justify that assumption.

There's a lot wrong with the government. I don't think that illegal immigrants constitute a big part of that.

Maybe if you want to drive them away, we should make all illegal immigrants go to the VA for their medical services.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I don't know anyone who received a bunch of benefits as illegals. My dad certainly didn't. The illegals I was around didn't go for food stamps or welfare - and the application process would attract attention to you, which is something they dislike for obvious reasons.

Do you have a link to a credible study showing that occurs? The only thing I've ever seen is a NumbersUSA study where the methodology is a flat assumption that illegal immigrants use social services at the exact same rate as legal residents in their same ethnicity/wealth level, with no reason to justify that assumption.

There's a lot wrong with the government. I don't think that illegal immigrants constitute a big part of that.

Maybe if you want to drive them away, we should make all illegal immigrants go to the VA for their medical services.

The fact that we have host home providers hosting minor illegals? How about the recent publish statistic that 57% of all illegal family is on welfare? For someone who has a strong opinion on the topic, you really need to look into this. The few families around you does not equal the big picture.

Start here..
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317
http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
http://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-98-30

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't know anyone who received a bunch of benefits as illegals. My dad certainly didn't. The illegals I was around didn't go for food stamps or welfare - and the application process would attract attention to you, which is something they dislike for obvious reasons.

Do you have a link to a credible study showing that occurs? The only thing I've ever seen is a NumbersUSA study where the methodology is a flat assumption that illegal immigrants use social services at the exact same rate as legal residents in their same ethnicity/wealth level, with no reason to justify that assumption.

There's a lot wrong with the government. I don't think that illegal immigrants constitute a big part of that. [ROFL3]

Maybe if you want to drive them away, we should make all illegal immigrants go to the VA for their medical services.

You miss the whole UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN crisis the country had in june? Or did you forget as most of America, when it reached it's 2 week news cycle.
ISIS stole the spotlight from them.
Just as 9/11 saved that Senator or congressman from prison for Chandra Levy. Which conveniently they just happen to find a IIRC homeless person to take the fall.

PLEASE : trying to say ILLEGALS are not sucking off the teat of .gov is insulting to both of us. CA especially SoCal is bankrupt, their health system was destroyed by illegals using the system and a .gov who could not pay the tab, with Our Money. Lets not even go in to the Judicial /prison system.

[Aloha_Shooter]

If you're mad that people are coming over who aren't like you, that's fine and I guess we can talk about it, but I'm not impressed with "its against the law and therefore is automatically bad." Its kind of a cop out.

No one here has gotten mad about them not being like us (hell, what does "us" look like?). Many of us are mad about people who potentially pose safety hazards or economic burdens jumping the line past legal immigrants. Personally, I would do away with all immigration quota numbers but strictly enforce health and safety standards, criminal background checks, etc. and bar any recent (within the last 5 years) immigrant from receiving state or federal benefits during their "probation" period -- and ALL immigrants go to the back of the line for processing.

Tied to Al Qaeda, ISIS, organized crime from any continent, etc.? Get out of here. Have a communicable disease? Go home. No friends or family, no marketable skills, and no job prospects yet? Sayonara. Coming in with investment money to start a new business? Welcome, the banks are over there. Cousin Rudy is putting you up and guaranteeing your subsistence while you look for a job? Come on in. Married a US citizen? Here's some info on American history and civics, when can I schedule you for a naturalization test?

Broke the rules and hopped the fence, jumped off the boat, overstayed your visa, etc.? Get the eff out of here and don't come back.

[Pancho Villa]

Chunkmonkey: CIS and NumbersUSA are started by the same guy and use the same "study." If you go into their methodology the way they determined that illegals use welfare at that level is what I described above.

CIS and NumbersUSA were both started by a fellow named John Tanton, interestingly enough, who is a hardcore environmentalist and is way into population control. He actually got kicked out of the Sierra Club for being too whacko for them.

Kazoo (and others): Some perspective is needed. California's socialist system wouldn't work if only you got the illegals out. Its broken. Its a silly argument to say (and a typical socialist ploy) that "it would have only worked if not for x group I'm blaming."

If you want sustainable growth, you need smart government policies, not handouts. That's true whether there are 10 million or 0 illegal immigrants in the country, and their presence is (according to best economic guesses) more or less a wash in economic impact anyway. I think the whole immigration argument is taking valuable time and energy away from actual life-or-death issues for the country such as welfare reform and uneffing the healthcare system.

Put another way: if you disappear all illegal immigrants tomorrow, the country is still in a really bad place. If you disappear obamacare, reform welfare, and deregulate the economy tomorrow, no one gives an eff about a bunch of people who speak spanish trying to find work here.

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Regardless, if you look at my original post, it's more about the arrogant overreach by Oblowme, deliberately circumventing Congressional authority, rather than the need for reform. IMO, immigration reform need to encompass a myriad of issues, but foremost are streamlining the immigration process to allow people to come here legally more easily, while still maintaining security, and SECURING THE DAMN BORDERS. If one can simply walk into the country, then they have no reason at all to try to do it the legal way. If they choose to come into the country illegally, then there is little motivation(or opportunity) to follow other laws, such as driver's licenses, vehicle insurance, pay taxes, etc.

[centrarchidae]

Illegal is illegal....

Just like those thirty round boxes with springs in them are illegal?

[hurley842002]

Just like those thirty round boxes with springs in them are illegal?
Why yes, yes they are unfortunately. Your point?

[Great-Kazoo]

Just like those thirty round boxes with springs in them are illegal?

I'm probably one of the few people who hasn't gone to Wyo, or LGS with kits available since 7/13. I had more than enough before 9/94.