Ebola

[hollohas]

This outbreak is starting to get serious. Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone are in deep [pileoshit]. Since March, there have been 1323 confirmed cases and 729 deaths making it the biggest outbreak ever.

The US Peace Corps just told all of their 340 volunteers in the 3 African nations to evacuate. Liberia just closed all of their schools and told everyone to stay home no matter what. Two US missionary groups just told all their people to evac. A major US based Christian aid organization called Samaritan's Purse who just ordered and evac of all their personnel that were helping with the outbreak. And airlines are starting the cancel routes into and out of the area.

One American citizen was on his way back to the USA via Nigeria where he died from Ebola shortly before getting on his flight to the US potentially allowing the virus to cross into a major international hub.

And now the State department and CDC hatched a plan to evacuate an American Dr and nurse who have the virus and bring them back the US soil. Normally outbreak protocol focuses mainly on preventing the disease from crossing borders but this time the CDC is actively working to purposefully bring the virus across international borders INTO our country. When they arrive it will be the first known time the virus has made it into the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/health/ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2712477/Dr-Kent-Brantly-battling-Ebola-passes-potentially-life-saving-experimental-serum-American-colleague-it.html

I'm sure they'll keep it contained in our modern hospitals but it makes me start to think about what to do if a major outbreak were to happen in the US. What to stock up on in addition to the beans, bullets and band-aids (like plastic, duct tape, masks, bleach, etc.) When to make the call that's it's time to stay home. How to maintain separation from the population. Etc. Etc.

Is anyone including outbreak and isolation measures in your preps?

[Great-Kazoo]

Ebola while deadly, is a minor issue in the greater scheme of things. IF CDC is following protocol, cross contamination while not on the table, is in the back of every medical professional's mind.
There are a few places in the US who work with things as deadly, if not more than ebola.
Personally you should be more concerned with food service handlers who do not wash their hands, prepping food or serving to customers, with cuts and lacerations NOT bandaged. The bank teller rubbing their nose then counting your money, AND touching door knobs or handles entering / exiting public rest rooms.
If you did not see Contagion, watch it.
https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608026460066351761&pid=15.1&P=0




Not prepared for a pandemic, but enough material on hand to minimize, contact.

If you have not read this book, do.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hot-Zone-Terrifying-Story/dp/0385479565

[Irving]

Worried, yes. Prepared, not nearly as much as I'd like.

[hollohas]

If you did not see Contagion, watch it.
https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608026460066351761&pid=15.1&P=0




If you have not read this book, do.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hot-Zone-Terrifying-Story/dp/0385479565

Watched it.

Read it. Although it's been at least 15 years. Hot Zone is a GREAT book, I think I'll read it again.

Outbreak was a good book too.

[buffalobo]

Many people wishing for more than 6 degrees of separation. [emoji33]

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[SuperiorDG]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-itlK6R7hBno/TwIhpaRAbSI/AAAAAAAAA0o/c1u8aJasAbc/s400/endisnear1.jpg

[HoneyBadger]

Reminds me an awful lot of this:
http://pandemic3.com/

[Great-Kazoo]

Watched it.

Read it. Although it's been at least 15 years. Hot Zone is a GREAT book, I think I'll read it again.

Outbreak was a good book too.


My business partner and i were in VA for a convention, got as close as we could to the reston area. There's a lot of stuff floatring around, one comes in contact with on a daily basis. We're 1 mutation away from eliminating most of the 2 legged population.

[ChunkyMonkey]

The virus doesn't scare me. The panic of the lemmings does.

In third world countries, the people are used to with poor utilities, limited power, poor distribution, so most households are more prepared for long term emergency.

Can you imagine if the govt declares martial law, closes public schools here like in Liberia? Those groceries shelves will be empty and social order will be in breaking point within days.

[roberth]

The virus doesn't scare me. The panic of the lemmings does.

In third world countries, the people are used to with poor utilities, limited power, poor distribution, so most households are more prepared for long term emergency.

Can you imagine if the govt declares martial law, closes public schools here like in Liberia? Those groceries shelves will be empty and social order will be in breaking point within days.

Agreed.

[stenz]

Is there something on the books that states that if a person knowingly has Ebola or has been exposed to it (or any other very dangerous virus) and willingly avoids detection or help? Will they get in trouble.

[HBARleatherneck]

maybe we should pass another law? if you are dying of a fatal disease and are going to be dead shortly, you must not avoid detection we are the government we are here to help. im sure it will work. we dont need more laws.

[roberth]

Then the same law would apply to someone with AIDS who intends to infect others, when was the last time you read about someone being prosecuted for that?

We have TB, smallpox, and a host of other diseases freely crossing the southern border and these idiots have the temerity to deliberately import an Ebola victim into the United States.

[HBARleatherneck]

for all the non freedom lovers out there... this would work for the government and against the people. once a law is on the books (17,000 new laws a year) it only fucks up our Freedom. it does nothing to help us. well except generate revenue for the government and private prisons.

"We need to round up anyone who has flu like symptoms or has the gun owning sickness" " we will help you in our internment camps."

[ChunkyMonkey]

for all the non freedom lovers out there... this would work for the government and against the people. once a law is on the books (17,000 new laws a year) it only fucks up our Freedom. it does nothing to help us. well except generate revenue for the government and private prisons.

"We need to round up anyone who has flu like symptoms or has the gun owning sickness" " we will help you in our internment camps."


Yep, unfortunately, it happened few times in the history. I.E. Nazi Eugenics.

[thedave1164]

This is a level 4 bio hazard, they were taking precautions at the site where they were treating people and still got infected.

Normally this samples of this virus would have to come through Plum Island, and then be highly controlled if it were even allowed to come on our shores. (BTW due to its isolation some in the field consider Plum Island to be bio level 5 for containment purposes)

This is a major break in protocol and a major threat to the American people and even North America.

I am not just repeating what I have heard, this is from experience in the pharmaceutical industry for many years and dealing with labs and deadly pathogens on a daily basis.

Nothing good can come of this.

[cmailliard]

The virus doesn't scare me. The panic of the lemmings does.

In third world countries, the people are used to with poor utilities, limited power, poor distribution, so most households are more prepared for long term emergency.

Can you imagine if the govt declares martial law, closes public schools here like in Liberia? Those groceries shelves will be empty and social order will be in breaking point within days.

I am with you. Fear of the unknown is driving people nuts. Ebola has been around for close to a half century. Yes, Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers are scary things but fear is not the answer to it. Respiratory Droplet Protection is required for VHF's but it is very difficult to spread via aerosol. Direct contact with body fluids and contact with used medical equipment (needle stick exposure) are the primary sources of transmission.

The biggest problem with Ebola is the large differential diagnosis associated with the the signs and symptoms. In the early stages it looks a lot like other diseases, including Malaria. Because Malaria is so rampant in Africa it is the default treatment. They just give those with signs and symptoms antibiotics and call it good. Well those antibiotics will not work with Ebola so the patient continues to get worse and continue live/work in close proximity to others in very unsanitary conditions. The disease spreads quickly because of initial misdiagnosis.

This Doc and Nurse are Americans, we have the capability to keep them extremely isolated and keep the community safe. We bring them home and take care of our own.

[blacklabel]

for all the non freedom lovers out there... this would work for the government and against the people. once a law is on the books (17,000 new laws a year) it only fucks up our Freedom. it does nothing to help us. well except generate revenue for the government and private prisons.

"We need to round up anyone who has flu like symptoms or has the gun owning sickness" " we will help you in our internment camps."

There are already executive orders that allow for the derailment of anyone suspected of being infected.

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[Delfuego]

We bring them home and take care of our own.No many countries would be willing to do this.

[HBARleatherneck]

there are allready laws on top of laws. thats my point. we dont need more laws. everyonese solution is more laws. and making a law to punish a terminally ill person is moronic.

[hollohas]

... we dont need more laws...

Agreed.

[hollohas]

We bring them home and take care of our own.

No, we most certainly do not. We say we do, but we rarely back it up. Many Americans during the recent history have gotten into trouble in foreign lands and the American government does NOTHING to help them. American missionaries get locked up for having bibles, we leave them to rot. American soldiers take wrong turns, get locked up and we leave them to rot. American children get kidnapped and taken to other countries and we don't go get them. American people die from terrible diseases everyday and the government doesn't do anything to help (not saying they should) and many times even creates red tape that makes it harder for them to get help.

So why spend the money and effort this time to bring these two people home when they are surely going to die??? Something is different this time. This goes against CDC protocol and I for one don't believe our government does ANYTHING for the good of the people. This just doesn't fit the .gov's SOP.

Do I think the gov is doing something evil? No. But they are up to something. Maybe they just wanted training in American facilities with American experts...who knows. But it is absolutely outside the ordinary reaction our government is known for.

[hollohas]

Ah, here we go, I bet this is why we brought them back. They were test subjects. Remember that "experimental drug" sent to them...well, sounds like it may have worked.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/health/experimental-ebola-serum/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Knowing his dose was still frozen, Brantly asked if he could have Writebol's now-thawed medication. It was brought to his room and administered through an IV. Within an hour of receiving the medication, Brantly's condition was nearly reversed. His breathing improved; the rash over his trunk faded away. One of his doctors described the events as "miraculous."


On July 30, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (http://www.dtra.mil/), an arm of the military responsible for any chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive threats, allotted additional funding to MAPP Biopharmaceutical due to "promising results."

[hollohas]

It's spreading. Nigeria now has 3 deaths, 5 confirmed sick and 14 potentials. All were in contact with the American that got sick on the plane and died in Nigeria. Saudi Arabia has one potential case. Numbers of deaths and confirmed sick are going exponential.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/07/vybaqebe.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/07/amuvarav.jpg

And this little cartoon sums up how I feel about the media doctors telling everyone that Ebola is no big deal.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/07/uta7a2ap.jpg

[mcantar18c]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/07/qu3yvuve.jpg

That is all.

[hollohas]

There's nothing wrong with monitoring and discussing world events. Nobody is saying "we're all going to die!"

This outbreak is inarguably significant. Something to lose sleep over? Nope. But it is something that I find to be particularly interesting especially within the topic of preparedness. This is a real event and can be a useful case study for people that prepare...even more so than the theoretical events preparedness communities typically use.

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

There's nothing wrong with monitoring and discussing world events. Nobody is saying "we're all going to die!"

We are all going to die...........










just hopefully not from ebola.

[SuperiorDG]

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They are so cute.

[SuperiorDG]

Here we go, world police again.

http://kdvr.com/2014/09/07/u-s-may-send-troops-to-help-against-west-africa-ebola-epidemic/

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Sunday signaled for the first time that he is likely to dispatch U.S. military resources to help fight the serious outbreak of Ebola in several countries in West Africa.

“We have to make this a national security priority. We have to mobilize the international community, get resources in there,” the President said to Chuck Todd on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
“We’re going to have to get U.S. military assets just to set up, for example, isolation units and equipment there, to provide security for public health workers surging from around the world.”
Obama’s comments come after sharp criticism from Dr. Joanne Liu, president of Doctors Without Borders, last week.
“States with the required capacity have a political and humanitarian responsibility to come forward and offer a desperately needed, concrete response to the disaster unfolding in front of the world’s eyes … rather than limit their response to the potential arrival of an infected patient in their countries,” Liu said.
Obama cautioned that inaction could have dire consequences.
“If we don’t make that effort now, and this spreads not just through Africa but other parts of the world, there’s the prospect then that the virus mutates. It becomes more easily transmittable. And then it could be a serious danger to the United States,” Obama said.
American Ebola survivor Dr. Keith Brantly pleaded for help from the international community in a recent op-ed for Time.
“The national governments of West Africa are overwhelmed,” Brantly said.
“This is a global problem, and it requires the action of national governments around the world.”
Obama echoed Brantly’s sentiments, arguing that U.S. leadership is necessary for a health crisis of this magnitude.
“When I go before Congress, and I say, ‘Let’s give some public health aid to countries like Liberia, so that they can set up hospitals and nurses and vaccinations, et cetera,’ you know, sometimes, you know, the American public says, ‘Why are we wasting money on them?’ ” Obama said, explaining, “When we make those short-term investments now, it really pays a lot of dividends in the future.”
The Ebola outbreak has been centered in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, with a handful of cases in Nigeria. The overall fatality rate is 50%, WHO said, ranging from 39% in Sierra Leone to 64% in Guinea, according to the latest figures.

[HoneyBadger]

What a tool.

[Great-Kazoo]

What a tool.

well i'm thankful he's not putting troops on the border. What sort of message would that send to our Hispanic brothers & sisters from mexico to the tip of Chili and Argentina.
Si Se Puede'

[muddywings]

Here we go...
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/09/30/cdc-confirms-first-case-ebola-in-us/

CDC confirms first case of Ebola in US

[thvigil11]

If I've learned anything from playing Pandemic 2, its that Madagascar is the only place with a good chance of surviving this. That is, if they shut down their ports in time.

http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

[roberth]

Here we go...
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/09/30/cdc-confirms-first-case-ebola-in-us/

CDC confirms first case of Ebola in US



Swell.

[hollohas]

The CDC and other health officials believe Ebola won't become a big deal here because we have better facilities and can identify infected patients quickly. And that may all be true. However, by their own admission, the number one red flag they have been using with potential patients here is IF they have been to Africa. The symptoms aren't really an indicator.

Today, if a person with flu like symptoms comes to the hospital and says they have been to Africa, they are flagged as a potential Ebola case. If a person with flu like symptoms comes to the hospital and says they have never been to Africa, they get sent home.

So what happens when travel to Africa can't be used as a factor for diagnosis? Like now that people could have been exposed while on US soil? Do they isolate ANYONE that has flu like symptoms that have been to Dallas? What if more people turn up infected in other cities? The test isn't quick, so what's the plan for identifying potential cases quickly when travel to Africa no longer matters?

IF more cases turn up here, I think it's a real possibility that hospitals miss some infected individuals and send them home with a seasonal flu diagnosis. And if that happens, I believe Ebola has the potential to spread more than they want us to believe.

PS - turns out this guy in Dallas went to the hospital on the 26th looking for treatment but they sent him home (don't know if he told them his travel history or not, but it lends some proof to my theory above). He didn't go back until two days later when he was finally admitted and isloated. In other words, he was symptomatic, traveled around town and had contact with people for many days before being isolated.

[bobbyfairbanks]

I feel like I need to do something. Like buy gloves and masks. Heck I don't know but I know that this just got super real

[Irving]

I feel like I need to do something. Like buy gloves and masks. Heck I don't know but I know that this just got super real

I feel similar, but I have no idea how to prepare for this.

[hollohas]

Some ideas to get you thinking...

http://readynutrition.com/resources/week-28-of-52-pandemic-preparedness_16122011/

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/its-here-ebola-patient-zero-confirmed-in-america_09302014

[bobbyfairbanks]

No shit man.

[MED]

No, we most certainly do not. We say we do, but we rarely back it up. Many Americans during the recent history have gotten into trouble in foreign lands and the American government does NOTHING to help them. American missionaries get locked up for having bibles, we leave them to rot. American soldiers take wrong turns, get locked up and we leave them to rot. American children get kidnapped and taken to other countries and we don't go get them. American people die from terrible diseases everyday and the government doesn't do anything to help (not saying they should) and many times even creates red tape that makes it harder for them to get help.

So why spend the money and effort this time to bring these two people home when they are surely going to die??? Something is different this time. This goes against CDC protocol and I for one don't believe our government does ANYTHING for the good of the people. This just doesn't fit the .gov's SOP.

Do I think the gov is doing something evil? No. But they are up to something. Maybe they just wanted training in American facilities with American experts...who knows. But it is absolutely outside the ordinary reaction our government is known for.

My co-worker was in Cobo a couple of weeks ago when Hurricane Odile hit. All the foreign nationals were being attended by their governments except the US. Basically, US citizens were SOL. Alaska airlines came in and evacuated a lot of people (free of charge), and a lot of them were evacuated by the Mexican government. The US government, especially under the Obama administration, doesn't give a shit about the citizens. However, we will send troops to Africa during an ebola epidemic; even through I know our government's priorities, I was still shocked when he got back and told us about the experience.

[SuperiorDG]

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One hundred and sixty Army engineers are headed to Liberia to provide support in the battle against Ebola.
The soldiers, who are from the 615th Engineer Company, 52nd Engineer Battalion out of Fort Carson, will be helping to build medical facilities, not treating patients.
A full release by Fort Carson is below:

Approximately 160 engineers assigned to the 615th Engineer Company, 52nd Engineer Battalion, will deploy to Africa in support of Operation United Assistance, the U.S. military's response to the Ebola crisis.
The military response is being led by U.S. Africa Command in support of the U.S. Agency for International Development. This is a joint operation with participating units from other branches of the military services, to include the Marines, Navy, and Air Force.
"JTF Carson (Joint Task Force Carson) is part of a multi-agency response to the Ebola crisis in Africa," said Maj. Gen. Paul J. LaCamera, 4th Infantry Division and Fort Carson commanding general.
Engineer Soldiers from Fort Carson will help construct facilities to support the USAID effort to contain the spread of the Ebola virus in Africa and will not be treating patients. The engineers will be part of a Total Army effort that includes units from the Active Army, Army Reserve and Army National Guard.
All troops deploying to Liberia will receive specific medical training, developed in conjunction with U.S. Army Public Health Command , and utilize specialized personal protection equipment to ensure they are protected from exposure to Ebola.
"We will do everything required to take care of our Soldiers and their families," said LaCamera. "Our priority is to ensure our Soldiers receive the necessary training and equipment to answer our nation's call and accomplish this mission."

[Graves]

Godspeed.

[bobbyfairbanks]

I would refuse to deploy. Going to the Dark continent to fight a faceless enemy that has a 60% chance of death is nothing less then stupid. Plus I would rather get shot again then risk getting the Ebola crud. I hope these troops stay healthy.

[thvigil11]

http://m14forum.com/attachments/reality-check/49920d1412370970-funny-pictures-thread-workplace-virus.jpg

[HoneyBadger]

Posted in the other Ebola thread as well, but If anyone in the Springs area wants some of these, let me know. I'm going to order a bunch tomorrow.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8233-N100/dp/B008MCV43K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412395766&sr=8-1&keywords=N-100

[rbeau30]

Posted in the other Ebola thread as well, but If anyone in the Springs area wants some of these, let me know. I'm going to order a bunch tomorrow.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8233-N100/dp/B008MCV43K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412395766&sr=8-1&keywords=N-100


I have several N99 filters and respirators... But at what point you think you will be utilizing these? Actually more than several... more like a trunk full of them.

http://www.amazon.com/3M-6300-Half-Facepiece-Respirator/dp/B001BXRM5Q/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1412401691&sr=8-12&keywords=respirator+filter
50449
Can't find the N95's only P100's but i guess I won't be walking through any oily aerosols anytime soon.

[fitz19d]

I dont know my masks. Any of these non respirator cheap types work well for painting marine sealant inside a melamine lizard tank? Or should I just not be a sissy? Figured I'm crossing the border of mild hi into serious no no to inhale. Even outside going to be half crawled into this 4x2x2 box to seal it up.

[cmailliard]

I dont know my masks. Any of these non respirator cheap types work well for painting marine sealant inside a melamine lizard tank? Or should I just not be a sissy? Figured I'm crossing the border of mild hi into serious no no to inhale. Even outside going to be half crawled into this 4x2x2 box to seal it up.

Half Face APR with an Organic Vapor Cartridge. I think some Marine Sealants have Isocyantaes as an ingredient. That was the same stuff released in Bhopal India.

[TriggerHappy]

I am suppose to be going to S. Africa on a hunting trip in April, my mother is freaking out about Ebola. How bad of an idea is this? or am I just as fucked working at an International Airport??

[davsel]

I am suppose to be going to S. Africa on a hunting trip in April, my mother is freaking out about Ebola. How bad of an idea is this? or am I just as fucked working at an International Airport??
IMO:
Very bad.
Yes, yes you are.

[mightiestmouse]

I am suppose to be going to S. Africa on a hunting trip in April, my mother is freaking out about Ebola. How bad of an idea is this? or am I just as fucked working at an International Airport??

Three things I learned from my trip to South Africa a few years ago:

1. The airport is essentially a homeless shelter in the area before security. Be prepared to have people try and take your bags and approach you. They will not take no for an answer and are extremely pushy.

2. South Africa is the "western world" for the rest of Africa. People from every African country flock to the open borders hoping for a new life. There is no health screening or check... these people enter and exit as freely as they want.

3. Avoid driving directly through Johannesburg at all costs if you can...

The whole experience is a bit of a wake up call, but you will be approached and have your items touched by people you know nothing about.

[TriggerHappy]

The guides will be picking us up at the airport and driving us to North S. Africa. So no driving for me, that should all be taken care of.