View Full Version : I got a letter from CSPD today........
They recovered a pistol that was stolen out of my truck back in 2009! I get to go pick it up Thursday :) The letter didn't have much detail, but it did say it was recovered on Fort Carson. I really never thought I would see it again. We will see what kinda shape its in when I get it :)
beast556
08-05-2014, 21:13
Go buy a lotto ticket, Its your lucky day.
Good deal. Hopefully it is still in decent shape.
Wow, that is cool you are getting it back. I wonder if it will look okay or if it will be time for some customization!
I wonder what it's been through... That's great you got it back.
That's great.
But I have to ask, who is going to pay for the background check for you to get your stolen property back?
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-05-2014, 21:30
We gonna see a hi point up for sale Friday?
Great-Kazoo
08-05-2014, 21:31
That's great.
But I have to ask, who is going to pay for the background check for you to get your stolen property back?
MMMMMMMMMMMMmm ??? not sure any guesses
kidicarus13
08-05-2014, 21:32
But I have to ask, who is going to pay for the background check for you to get your stolen property back?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Inquiring minds want to know.
We shall see. I would like to know more about how it was recovered.
Rucker61
08-05-2014, 21:52
What pistol is it?
I was under the impression that CSPD actually got an FFL so they could do their own BGCs for new recruits when they issue their duty weapons...
gnihcraes
08-05-2014, 22:08
Great! I hope it's better shape than my P226 that was recovered years ago. It had taken many of tumbles out of moving cars apparently. Sad, very sad. Stupid Gangsters.
I had a number of guns stolen in TX. I got a call from Dallas PD over a year later. My S&W 622 was recovered after a high-speed chase. Gun was scuffed up a bit. Never worked right again.
I hope your experience is better than mine.
Do you have to register it again? It has been out of your posession for more than 72hrs;)
congrats, hope it is in good order.
Lex_Luthor
08-06-2014, 09:15
Congrats! Hopefully it still functions properly.
sellersm
08-06-2014, 09:57
Cool! Congrats! Pics or it never happened...
Do you have to register it again? It has been out of your posession for more than 72hrs;)
congrats, hope it is in good order.
Register?
There's no registration. He'll have to pass a background check to get it back.
Please stop using that word. [Beer]
(perhaps I missed some sarcasm)
Zundfolge
08-06-2014, 10:21
So here's a question out of left field; I had a handgun stolen several years ago and the NRA insurance paid me for it. If the po-po find it and return it to me do I need to contact the NRA Insurance Program and/or pay them back? Also how do you make sure it's not in some other stolen gun databases (would hate to sell it and the buyer run into a mess OR if I started carrying it again and had to use it, especially if I was out of CO).
Register?
There's no registration. He'll have to pass a background check to get it back.
Please stop using that word. [Beer]
(perhaps I missed some sarcasm)
You did miss the dark sarcasm;) and like it or not.... You are registering your gun with this stupid background check system the way it is now.
Bailey Guns
08-06-2014, 10:55
You are registering your gun with this stupid background check system the way it is now.
No, you're not. The process for the background check hasn't changed at all. Gun information is not included anywhere in the background check submitted to CBI other than a generic description of "long gun", "handgun", etc... Never has been. Not to mention there are still a few legal ways to dispose of guns without a background check on the person receiving it.
BuffCyclist
08-06-2014, 11:01
So here's a question out of left field; I had a handgun stolen several years ago and the NRA insurance paid me for it. If the po-po find it and return it to me do I need to contact the NRA Insurance Program and/or pay them back? Also how do you make sure it's not in some other stolen gun databases (would hate to sell it and the buyer run into a mess OR if I started carrying it again and had to use it, especially if I was out of CO).
I was just about to ask this question as well.
If the OP was paid for his stolen gun by insurance, then he can use that money to clean it up and fix the pistol as needed. Even if the only solution is to durakote/whatever it, its still cheaper than buying a new one.
kidicarus13
08-06-2014, 11:10
The insurance company owns any recovered property for which they compensated the vicitm for.
Zundfolge
08-06-2014, 11:19
The insurance company owns any recovered property for which they compensated the vicitm for.
This is what I was thinking, but since we're talking about an unregistered item (unlike a car, for example) I don't think the police are going to contact the insurance company if they find it. So I guess the proper thing to do would be to contact the insurance company if the gun is returned to be by the police and I'll likely have to pay them back (or send them the gun).
BuffCyclist
08-06-2014, 11:34
This is what I was thinking, but since we're talking about an unregistered item (unlike a car, for example) I don't think the police are going to contact the insurance company if they find it. So I guess the proper thing to do would be to contact the insurance company if the gun is returned to be by the police and I'll likely have to pay them back (or send them the gun).
Or perhaps it doesn't matter because your insurance is going to increase after you make a claim, so they've already gained your money back that they paid out to you. [Dunno]
kidicarus13
08-06-2014, 11:41
Assuming the OP has insurance than he has a number of choices available to him. What choice he makes is up to him.
BuffCyclist
08-06-2014, 11:42
I agree that the OP has a number of choices available to him. What choice he makes is up to him.
That is assuming he had insurance on it and was paid out for it. If not, he has no choices available but to take it [LOL]
Zundfolge
08-06-2014, 11:43
Or perhaps it doesn't matter because your insurance is going to increase after you make a claim, so they've already gained your money back that they paid out to you. [Dunno]
Insurance was free (back then you got $1000 free insurance policy on your guns as part of your NRA membership ... now it's $2500 but you have to contact them and activate it first (http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/armscare.htm), which I've done and every NRA member should do).
BuffCyclist
08-06-2014, 12:27
Insurance was free (back then you got $1000 free insurance policy on your guns as part of your NRA membership ... now it's $2500 but you have to contact them and activate it first (http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/armscare.htm), which I've done and every NRA member should do).
I wasn't referring to the OP, who didn't mention anything about insurance. I was talking about the scenario that you originally brought up. I also was referring to private insurance, where you pay to protect your guns. I doubt $2500 worth of insurance covers everyones collection.
I wasn't referring to the OP, who didn't mention anything about insurance. I was talking about the scenario that you originally brought up. I also was referring to private insurance, where you pay to protect your guns. I doubt $2500 worth of insurance covers everyones collection.
I would need boating insurance to cover my collection.
TheBelly
08-06-2014, 14:09
how brutally honest and upright of a person do you feel you need to be?
If the right answer is that the insurance company owns it, then let them know that the property has been recovered.
I always do my level best to make sure that my own integrity is above reproach. Just because the cops aren't talking to the insurance company doesn't mean that it's still your property.
pic and update would be greatly appreciated.
I want to see the insurance company pass the required background check.
I don't pick it up until tomorrow. I will definitely post up pics when I get it back. As for the insurance piece of it, It was stolen out of my truck and my car insurance didn't cover it. I didn't know about the NRA insurance until a few years ago.... little late to claim it now.
Great-Kazoo
08-06-2014, 15:55
No, you're not. The process for the background check hasn't changed at all. Gun information is not included anywhere in the background check submitted to CBI other than a generic description of "long gun", "handgun", etc... Never has been. Not to mention there are still a few legal ways to dispose of guns without a background check on the person receiving it.
Thank you. The ignorance of some gun owners is , beyond belief . However looking at who posted it, not surprised.
BuffCyclist
08-06-2014, 16:11
I don't pick it up until tomorrow. I will definitely post up pics when I get it back. As for the insurance piece of it, It was stolen out of my truck and my car insurance didn't cover it. I didn't know about the NRA insurance until a few years ago.... little late to claim it now.
Ah, well then just delete the discussion about insurance [LOL]
Glad to hear you'll get it back, you'll definitely have to post up with pictures of what kind of condition it's in.
BlasterBob
08-06-2014, 17:38
I'd think a 4473 will still have to be executed and that information entered into "someone's" bound book. Wouldn't be "registered" unless the bound book is someday mailed in to the BATF or if a BATF Agent takes notes on his/her inspection of the FFL's bound book.
No, you're not. The process for the background check hasn't changed at all. Gun information is not included anywhere in the background check submitted to CBI other than a generic description of "long gun", "handgun", etc... Never has been. Not to mention there are still a few legal ways to dispose of guns without a background check on the person receiving it.
Yea you are. The FFL has to keep all the SN's in their log book. They can be audited at ANY time to check this REGISTRATION and while delayed.... When an FFL hangs up thier license they are required to send in all of their records.... Thus registration. No matter how you look at it... It's registration.
Kazoo... Just keep arguing. Your personal attacks just show the real you.
I just want to see a pic and know if he has to pay the bc fee!
As far as insurance, it would be the same as retaining salvage on a totaled vehicle. When you retain salvage, they pay you the value, minus what they can salvage the item for. So technically you'd only owe salvage, nor everything they paid you.
I've spent a lot of time considering how insurance would handle firearms, especially NFA ones. Chances are though, if insurance is taking possession of something, there isn't enough left to really worry about it. Contents adjusters will pau for cleaning on items though, so it's be an issue with whichever restoration contractor you chose to clean your guns; which very well could just be a gun Smith.
jerrymrc
08-06-2014, 20:31
Yea you are. The FFL has to keep all the SN's in their log book. They can be audited at ANY time to check this REGISTRATION and while delayed.... When an FFL hangs up thier license they are required to send in all of their records.... Thus registration. No matter how you look at it... It's registration.
Kazoo... Just keep arguing. Your personal attacks just show the real you.
You are posting crap up trying to make a point that has been [beatdeadhorse][beatdeadhorse] Do you just wait for a thread to come up to spew this drivel?
Since you must have first hand knowledge how many times in the inspections of YOUR books have the agents copied down the serial numbers in your book? Your post tells us it happens all the time.
Do understand the staff is a bit cranky this week and not just me. [panic]
Bailey Guns
08-06-2014, 20:57
Yeah, Hound, you have all the answers. They're usually the wrong answers but you have them.
[facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
08-06-2014, 22:06
Yea you are. The FFL has to keep all the SN's in their log book. They can be audited at ANY time to check this REGISTRATION and while delayed.... When an FFL hangs up thier license they are required to send in all of their records.... Thus registration. No matter how I MISINTERPRET IT..
Kazoo... Just keep arguing. Your personal attacks just show the real you.
Correcting your False statement [ AGAIN] isn't a personal attack. You're always butt hurt when one points out an inaccuracy for something you posted. Get over it, grow up, stop acting like some 5 yr old who couldn't stay up late.
You want a personal attack, i wouldn't lower myself to you level of stupidity. if i did you'd be howling i was bullying you. Lightweight.
I love how none of you CAN discount my statement because it is the truth and you know it. Attack all you want, throw more of your BS. It does not change a thing. I was wrong about one thing. I did not take you guys as supporters of 1229.
Marine24
08-07-2014, 06:06
I had a couple guns stolen out of my truck in VA back in '99. Police recovered them about 18 months later in NYC during a commission of a crime but I had to come up there to recover them and I was living in Jacksonville, NC. Already had been compensated by USAA for them and to much of a hassle.
Interesting "rest of the story". Was stationed overseas and was coming back to the US on a business trip. I got flagged at customs and led to a little room. Seems my name got put on some list. I was questioned for about 30 minutes concerning the theft. Advised by custom's agent to write a letter to ICE and asked that my name be removed. No problem returning to the US since.
I wasn't too pleased that my name got put on a list. Police report was filed and serial numbers of weapon stolen was included, but I guess I still was considered suspicious.
Might ask CSPD whether this is common when you pick up your pistol.
Bailey Guns
08-07-2014, 07:56
I love how none of you CAN discount my statement because it is the truth and you know it. Attack all you want, throw more of your BS. It does not change a thing. I was wrong about one thing. I did not take you guys as supporters of 1229.
First, the background check "system" hasn't changed with regards to how it's conducted in Colorado for many years.
Yes, a dealer logs buyer and gun information on a 4473 and into a bound book or electronic equivalent and may complete other required forms as necessary (ie: Report of Multiple Handgun Purchase). These are requirements of the federal government and are separate from the background check. These forms were required to be completed long before background checks were ever started.
Most importantly, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC FIREARM INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO CBI/NICS WHEN THE BACKGROUND CHECK IS CONDUCTED. Regardless of how much you think it may be, regardless of how stupid you think others may be for not agreeing with you, regardless of the other idiotic things you may say about other forum members.
You specifically stated:
You are registering your gun with this stupid background check system the way it is now.
Which is patently false. The background check "system", as you call it, in Colorado is handled by CBI. CBI collects nothing more than generic gun information...handgun, long gun, etc... That's it. That's all that is sent to CBI and NICS along with buyer information.
Now if you want to argue that record keeping requirements FFLs are subject to is a sort of registration, fine. But...THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID INITIALLY AND THAT IS NOT PART OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK "SYSTEM".
Furthermore, under a true scheme of registration there would be specific record keeping requirements for disposing of the firearm under pretty much any circumstance: sold, lost, destroyed, stolen, etc. That is not the case in Colorado. There are many ways to dispose of a firearm without any record keeping requirements. You can transfer the firearm to an immediate family member. You can ship the firearm out of state and there is no requirement to go through an FFL in Colorado. If the firearm is a C&R it can be bought and sold without a background check. Under a true scheme of registration you would be required to notify the government entity maintaining any registration database for any transfer of ownership or other disposition of the firearm and that simply isn't the case in Colorado. That's a far cry from a firearms dealer maintaining records for 20 years/until out of business and sending them to the ATF Records Center when the business is closed.
And, during an inspection, the inspector almost NEVER logs serial number information. The people who do the compliance inspections are looking at the correctness and completeness of records...that's it. They're not even ATF agents or law enforcement agents. I've had 3 FFLs: 90-93, 2000-08, 09-12. I've never had a compliance inspection. As far as I know an ATF official never came into my business. The closest I ever came to any sort of inspection was a trace request.
Your MO is apparent. You make a patently false statement and when you're called out on it you change your story just like you've done here. Then you call others stupid and whine about personal attacks.
Now...go ahead and TRY to defend your original statement. Because I love it when you make yourself look like a moron and it's apparent that's something that comes quite naturally to you.
3beansalad
08-07-2014, 09:56
This got ugly. I don't want to give anyone the impression I'm defending or attacking anyone involved, I have an honest question.
When an e4473 is used, who (or what) guarantees the fed doesn't keep a copy of this information for future use? As I understand it they aren't allowed to keep an electronic record, but printing and filing isn't specifically excluded by this law. And I understand the BGC has no specific mention of the firearm being purchased, but most gun shops I've been into since the law changed use the 4473 as the source for the information required by the BGC.
Bailey Guns
08-07-2014, 10:14
Nothing guarantees it other than the law. If the feds wanted to keep the info from an e4473 I'm sure they could but that's a lot of printing and filing. At the state level I can tell you that I've neglected to enter the NICS/approval numbers from CBI on a 4473 and called the same day to see if I could get them. Nope. I was told once the numbers were given and accepted they were purged. I had to run the BGC again on the individual to get the numbers.
Most FFL dealers use an ID to enter information rather than the 4473 because it's just easier. But one could and might use the 4473...it doesn't change the information submitted to CBI.
There is no option for entering specific firearm information on the online form for CBI background checks. You couldn't enter the make, model and serial number of the firearm on the background check form even if you wanted to. And if you're referring to the new law requiring BGCs on private sales that's really immaterial to the system used to conduct the check because nothing changed. The information submitted didn't change, the forms didn't change and the process didn't change. The only change was when a BGC was required. Even prior to the new BGC law a person could go to an FFL and have a BGC done on a private buyer just like now. It just wasn't mandatory.
3beansalad
08-07-2014, 11:25
Thank you. And again not to defend or antagonize any members, I wonder if Hound really means the BGC is a registry.
The 4473 has a much greater chance of becoming the source of that information, and its possible it was a mistake in wording as to what could be used to create a 'registry.' All the Obama would have to do is pen another executive order allowing collection of that data. Which I'm surprised he hasn't done yet...
Based upon the seizure of records at Ares Armor, I feel like this is a very real possibility. Yes, I know there are nuances of the Ares case that make it an anomaly as well.
Circuits
08-07-2014, 11:40
I love how none of you CAN discount my statement because it is the truth and you know it. Attack all you want, throw more of your BS. It does not change a thing. I was wrong about one thing. I did not take you guys as supporters of 1229.
You seem to be (trying) to equate the fact that ATF (or CBI, I guess) *could* scan all the A&D books without them actually having done so.
It's not so much gun registration, as that everyone's filled out the registration cards, but not very many have mailed them in.
To assert that guns ARE registered because the capability to do so exists, however, is incorrect.
No pictures today unfortunately, They called me back and my appointment is for Thursday......... THE 21st! :( Apparently they only release guns on Thursdays between 1 and 3, and you must have an appointment. I guess they are returning a lot of guns these days. Must be because of the new mandatory registration laws.....hahahahhahhahaaha just kidding. This thread is going south quick.
Just a bit. Please let us know what happens on the 21st, even if you have to start another post.
Just a bit. Please let us know what happens on the 21st, even if you have to start another post.
will do.
jerrymrc
08-07-2014, 17:25
will do.
It will not go anymore south. I guarantee it. [cigar][Muaha]
HoneyBadger
08-07-2014, 17:44
It will not go anymore south. I guarantee it. [cigar][Muaha]
[not-worthy]
osok-308
08-07-2014, 19:36
That's awesome that you will get it back! It seriously is your lucky day!
These pissing matches have started to bore me. Lame. Those of you pissing at each other... Tread carefully. If this gets out of hand further there will be some time outs.
Back to topic... OP.. After the 21st, let us know: Did you retrieve your gun? What model was it? What condition was it in after all these years.
I guess you can share model now if you so desire.
Went and picked up the pistol today! The gun itself is nothing fancy, just a kel-tec P32. I had it for about a year before it was stolen, and carried it almost every day within that year. I am pretty surprised at the condition... overall the P32 is in the same condition it was when I last saw it 5yrs ago. Who ever had it did a pretty good job taking car of it. It was clean and well oiled. I replaced it a week after it got stolen with a brand new one. I should have taken pics of this one next to the one I have carried for the past 5 yrs. My current P32 has almost no finish left on the slide at all.
Some people were asking about the back ground check process. I gave then my info (name, address, date of birth) over the phone when I made my appointment several weeks ago. When I arrived to pick up the pistol, I had to fill out a one page form. Basic info as above and on the back of the page there was 7 or 8 questions. Pretty much the same ones on a regular back ground check form, and then a signature. After that I walked a cross the street to the evidence building and picked up my gun. All in all about 5 mins total. They didn't make me pay a $10 back ground check fee :)
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spqrzilla
08-21-2014, 17:05
Thanks for the update.
Jeffrey Lebowski
08-21-2014, 17:12
That doesn't look to be in bad shape at all.
That's awesome! Glad you got it back. If only it could tell you the tale of its life over the past few years.
Did they mention how it came to be recovered?
kidicarus13
08-21-2014, 19:44
Thanks for the update.
+1
Wow, impressive condition considering what happened to it. Glad you got it back and it's actually useable.
Thanks for the update. I am glad that you got the firearm back.
The thief deserve a jail/probation, but glad that the thief took care of it (as you mentioned).
Did they mention how it came to be recovered?
The only thing I know right now, is that it was recovered on Fort Carson. The evidence guy said I could file a request and get a copy of the report. I am going to do that next week.
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