Are your Gun Ranges Reload Friendly?

[HighCaliber]

I am reasonably new to firearms and also reloading which I was surprised to find out I love to do.

When I started shooting 2 years ago some ranges did not allow reloads but it allowed Georgia Arms and remanufactured ammo. One was also able to sneak in ammo in used boxes.

I now see a growing trend in my area where not only no reloads are allowed but the range *federal police state* officers "will check your ammunition prior to entering the range".

They claim this to be for our safety and yet do not ban guns with unsupported chambers.
They also all have come up with their own brand of ammo; I believe this to be the real motivation for both banning and policing the customers ammo boxes. It makes business sense to ban other cheap sources of ammo to push their own brand. I believe this to be their right as business owners.

I just deeply resent being lied to and hate how they treat the American public as if they were stupid and gullible all the time.

I want to buy my own reloading equipment ( I currently work for a registered reloading small ammo factory ) but am anticipating not being able to shoot anywhere due to this growing trend.
I even thought about buying an acre in the middle of the state to be able to keep my freedom.
( I have researched places in Florida where one can just go and shoot but was told most land is now privately owned.).

Is this a problem in your state? Where do you shoot your reloads? Have you had to deal with ranges that ban reloads and or remanufactured ammunition?

I would appreciate if you could relate any insights and your experiences

[Irving]

Usually when a range is checking ammo, it is to check for steel core, which is hard on the traps.

[cysoto]

Some indoor ranges discourage their patrons from bringing in ammunition and (for obvious reasons) they would much rather prefer that shooters purchase their ammo at their facility. In general, most ranges do not care if you shoot factory vs reloaded ammo as long as it doesn't damage their equipment (i.e. steel core bullets).

[Irving]

I recommend not asking or saying anything about it in person. If you are curious, call on the phone and ask before you go in, but not while you are standing there in person.

[Hoser]

No restrictions other than steel core or tracer rifle ammo in this are that I am aware of.

[cstone]

If it doesn't attract a magnet, no one has ever said anything to me.

Anyone running a business would like to maximize their profit. Try to sneak in some JuJuBe or soda into a movie or bring your own beer to a football/baseball stadium. Just another reason why I don't go out to the movies or sporting events much.

[HighCaliber]

Thanks guys.

I did check both their websites and called on the phone before deciding on a membership - and that was when I had it heavy handed to me that they were opening customers boxes and checking their ammo and that even commercially remanufactured ammo was not allowed.

One big chain here in Florida started this trend ( the owner of Shootstraight also owns Magtech - which incidently I have had malfunctions with and think very poorly of it ) and now another chain is saying they have removed the rule due to ammo shortage ( it is good for business so they can lift the rules..) but will go back to reinforcing it once they get their own brand of ammo produced.

Glad to hear other areas are still relatively free.

I will hold back from buying my reloading press for now to see how things shape up in the near future.

[Zombie Steve]

It's my gun... I'll shoot what I want through it. [Coffee]

Seriously, there are too many places to shoot around here for me to deal with such nonsense.

[SamuraiCO]

No problem with Centennial. They also have no problem when I pick up my brass and will even give me some extra if someone next to me is popping off .45's and their brass lands next to mine. They will also let you draw from holster for CCW practice after showing proper technique.

[rondog]

I've had rat bastards at indoor ranges refuse to let me shoot lead bullets, "jacketed only". Fug 'em.

[funkymonkey1111]

i grew up in orlando hating shoot straight back when there was only one in Apopka.

have you tried just putting your reloads in factory boxes?

[gnihcraes]

I've had rat bastards at indoor ranges refuse to let me shoot lead bullets, "jacketed only". Fug 'em.

My local range is ok with my "lead" even though it's hard cast lead, they still check them and are looking for steel core. I get this, some people will shoot stuff that destroys their equipment.

Today though, they were getting complaints, the guy in the lane next to me packed up and left shortly after I started. Too much SMOKE! I guess he couldn't see those Bright Shoot and See targets 20 feet out. Range officers checked on my son and I once, just to see what I was shooting. Light reloads, hard cast, nothing different than I always shoot there.

When we checked out, I inquired about the smoking being an issue?. Yes, a couple people were questioning it, but the range didn't have a big issue I guess, just that my gun was spewing lead from the barrel each shot - they could see it! and am I'm going to die or something. They did mention how hard it is on their filtration system. Thinking to myself, Um, yep, that's why you have a filtration system isn't it, kinda hard to filter the air if it was perfectly clean? My 200 rounds were a drop in the bucket with all the ranges daily shooting and being filtered.

Winchester 231 has always been dirty/smokey, just like other brands Unique and such. Not easy to find a cleaner powder for the lead/hardcast that won't melt things.

I can shoot and reload a few hundred rounds for the price of a box or two at todays prices. $$

Guess I'll just take the plated/jacketed stuff next time to keep everyone happy. Or buy the ranges "Reloads" or "Remanufactured" ammo.

My reload rant.

[Zombie Steve]

They do understand the smoke is bullet lube burning off, not lead vaporizing... right?

[HighCaliber]

Sounds like you all still have a lot more freedom in that regard than here in Florida.

No gun range here allows to shoot from holster for CCW practice and even worse, the only two I know that allow relaods ( but not rifles, shotguns or carbines or magnum loads ) do not allow HUMAN SILHOUETTE.
One allows shotguns and rifles but no human silhouette targets.

Because really, my greatest concern as a woman is to be raped by an antelope.

This is my problem in choosing a membership.

I will probably have to get two memberships at two different ranges to be able to shoot reloads and rifle and shotgun as well as pistol but never draw from holster or practice on a human silhouette.

So you begin to see my predicament..

[HighCaliber]

i grew up in orlando hating shoot straight back when there was only one in Apopka.

have you tried just putting your reloads in factory boxes?

Absolutely!

I did that all last year. They moved location and I heard from fellow shooters they were now opening cuatomer's boxes and inspecting them.
That is why I did not renew my membership.

The current owner of Shoostraight also owns Magtech.
I believe the real reason not to allow any reloads not even commercially remanufactured ammo ( Georgia Arms' for example ) is because that puts Magtech as the cheapest available factory ammo as our number one choice.

He bumps his own company to the top of the cheap ammo line by banning the competition from his range.

Which he is free to do so and so am I free to no longer support his business and actively speak against it.

[HighCaliber]

just that my gun was spewing lead from the barrel each shot - they could see it! and am I'm going to die or something. They did mention how hard it is on their filtration system. Thinking to myself, Um, yep, that's why you have a filtration system isn't it, kinda hard to filter the air if it was perfectly clean? My 200 rounds were a drop in the bucket with all the ranges daily shooting and being filtered.


Maybe their filtration system is not quite up to date? So instead of telling you they are breaking the rules and regulations they manipulate you by fear "Its bad for you".

Shootstraight literally has a ruptured barrel with a big note saying this is why they don't allow reloads...to which I wanted to say: "Wouldn't it make more sense to ban guns with unsupported chambers?"

Another reason they claim is fear of a lawsuit.

How many shooters have in fact sued a range over blowing their own fingers off with their reloads whilst breaking the gun range rules which explicitly says the range is not responsible?

[Great-Kazoo]

Maybe their filtration system is not quite up to date? So instead of telling you they are breaking the rules and regulations they manipulate you by fear "Its bad for you".

Shootstraight literally has a ruptured barrel with a big note saying this is why they don't allow reloads...to which I wanted to say: "Wouldn't it make more sense to ban guns with unsupported chambers?"

Another reason they claim is fear of a lawsuit.

How many shooters have in fact sued a range over blowing their own fingers off with their reloads whilst breaking the gun range rules which explicitly says the range is not responsible?

The unsupported chambers (glocks, specifically) stuff is some what tired. Not that you mentioned Glock in your post. Does it happen, occasionally. Do reloads cause issues, occasionally. On lawsuits, how many times has a lawsuit never made it past the 1st - 2nd meet between attorneys? I don't know either. Probably as part of settlement, not able to release said info.

BTW: When you read some of the gun forums about ANOTHER GLOCK KABOOM, Somewhere down the long replies. The OP usually chimes in, mentioning they were shooting lead, BUT thought the bbl was clean.
As for reloads, It's their range, their rules. I do agree, a good portion of that is tied in to their selling ammo. One more reason we avoid indoor ranges.

[Irving]

Are there local shooting ranges that host pistol competitions? If so, just shoot at those.

[Stevensje]

Sounds like you all still have a lot more freedom in that regard than here in Florida.

No gun range here allows to shoot from holster for CCW practice and even worse, the only two I know that allow relaods ( but not rifles, shotguns or carbines or magnum loads ) do not allow HUMAN SILHOUETTE.
One allows shotguns and rifles but no human silhouette targets.

Because really, my greatest concern as a woman is to be raped by an antelope.

This is my problem in choosing a membership.

I will probably have to get two memberships at two different ranges to be able to shoot reloads and rifle and shotgun as well as pistol but never draw from holster or practice on a human silhouette.

So you begin to see my predicament..


Sounds like a business opportunity. Maybe it's time to get a small business loan and open up shop, you could focus on what the competition will not allow.

[HighCaliber]

The unsupported chambers (glocks, specifically) stuff is some what tired. Not that you mentioned Glock in your post. Does it happen, occasionally. Do reloads cause issues, occasionally. On lawsuits, how many times has a lawsuit never made it past the 1st - 2nd meet between attorneys? I don't know either. Probably as part of settlement, not able to release said info.

BTW: When you read some of the gun forums about ANOTHER GLOCK KABOOM, Somewhere down the long replies. The OP usually chimes in, mentioning they were shooting lead, BUT thought the bbl was clean.
As for reloads, It's their range, their rules. I do agree, a good portion of that is tied in to their selling ammo. One more reason we avoid indoor ranges.

I raised the point of unsurpoted chambers not as a weapon ( pun intended ) for reloads to be allowed but to illustrate my innitial point that business treat the American public as stupid and gullible.

Your point about the filtration system is another example: do we question the business with common sense rebutals to their "this is dangerous for you so we dont allow" false or incomplete reasons or do we just let them play that game.

Of course, at the end of the day it is their range, their business, their rules. I just don't appreciate being told lies as if I were stupid to cover up for what their real motivation is.

Here is another good reason for a big chain range to only allow factory rounds:

They can sell the brass as once fired.

So my point is why bulshit me by saying reloads are dangerous for me when actually the chamber of my gun is the number one safety feature, my skill level as a shooter in knowing what to do with a squib load, hang fire/misfire, primer failures another.

Making people believ reloads are dangerous is akin to the cultures that say guns are only to be handled by the police and military. You are not capable. Trust not yourself. Trust only the factories or "federally licensed manufactured".

This is from a new company that does reloads commercially as a registered business:

"REMANUFACTURED AMMUNITION:

Commercially Remanufactured Ammunition is ammunition that is produced using specialized automated commercial equipment by a federally licensed and insured manufacturer. All remanufactured ammunition is produced under stringent quality control processes that ensure that all of the SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures Institute) specifications are complied with. Additionally, the once fired brass case used in remanufactured ammunition are preprocessed on specialized case processing equipment that transforms the case to “like new brass” condition. This case preprocessing is one of the big differences between reloaded ammunition and remanufactured ammunition. The following is a description of the steps taken to produce remanufactured ammunition and the quality benefits that are gained via this process."

Whic seems harmless. The problem starts when the business get together to wash each others hands and ensure they have monopoly of this market and a whole culture and tradition of a nation that used to be capable and self sufficient starts to die off because they allowed themslves to be told they were better off becoming dependent in the Government to tell them what is "safe" for them. Safe now becomes synomym with "federally licensed/approved".

On the lawsuit I was just wondering if any of you have heard of it because I have not and was just curious.
I have observed that people who shoot and reload tend to take responsabilty for their actions instead of passing the buck and wanting to make money out of their onw failures which is a trend of people who tend not to be self-reliant.

[HighCaliber]

Sounds like a business opportunity. Maybe it's time to get a small business loan and open up shop, you could focus on what the competition will not allow.

I don't think it is viable as a small business.

I began to look into it and gave up because the costs for insurance specially in this industry does not pay if you are "small".

Also somebody decided to commit suicide at Shootstraight and now her family is suing the business even though the woman acted out of her own free will and put other peoples lives at risk by shooting herself in a closed public space.

This is a lawyers world. I do not want to support that kind of non sense.

[HighCaliber]

Are there local shooting ranges that host pistol competitions? If so, just shoot at those.

There is only one. I think this is my best of other poor options. They have very restricted opening times and they do not allow human silhouette but at least their mission as a business is not to sell their own ammo, yet. :)

I guess it boils down to what kind of business goal does this company have and do I want to support it.

If it really bothers me too much I will consider buying some private land to have my freedom.

[Irving]

Why do you consider a pistol competition to be a poor option? It is MUCH better than any static range work and you don't need to shoot at a person shaped silhouette to learn the skills to defend yourself.

[Hoser]

Why do you consider a pistol competition to be a poor option? It is MUCH better than any static range work and you don't need to shoot at a person shaped silhouette to learn the skills to defend yourself.

I read in Guns and Blammo once that IPSC will get you killed on the street and competitive shooting does nothing to make you a better shooter in the real world.

[HighCaliber]

Why do you consider a pistol competition to be a poor option? It is MUCH better than any static range work and you don't need to shoot at a person shaped silhouette to learn the skills to defend yourself.

I said it was a poor option because their hours cater for the members that compete for their club.
They are primarily a club and not a gun range.

Their public hours are very restricted and usually when I am at work so I will have little chance to use my membership.

I actually want to try action pistol and action shotgun.

I am very opened to it but do not feel attracted to competition shooting, at least not yet.

If so, maybe bullseye would be my pick since I shoot well with one hand and in that side stance.

[HighCaliber]

I read in Guns and Blammo once that IPSC will get you killed on the street and competitive shooting does nothing to make you a better shooter in the real world.

Have you ever tried it? If so what were your impressions?
How do you mostly practice?

[spqrzilla]

Have you ever tried it? If so what were your impressions?
How do you mostly practice?

Don't listen to Hoser ... I don't think he's ever even fired a real gun.
[Coffee]

And IPSC? Scares Hoser too much. He'd never even watch an IPSC match without getting the shakes.

[vossman]

[ROFL2]


Don't listen to Hoser ... I don't think he's ever even fired a real gun.
[Coffee]

And IPSC? Scares Hoser too much. He'd never even watch an IPSC match without getting the shakes.

[Irving]

I said it was a poor option because their hours cater for the members that compete for their club.
They are primarily a club and not a gun range.

Their public hours are very restricted and usually when I am at work so I will have little chance to use my membership.

I actually want to try action pistol and action shotgun.

I am very opened to it but do not feel attracted to competition shooting, at least not yet.

If so, maybe bullseye would be my pick since I shoot well with one hand and in that side stance.

I need to clarify. I realize that things are different out here, than they are out there, but here, you don't need to be a member of the range to shoot at the local IDPA, USPSA, IPSC, etc matches.
I'm not suggesting that you find a range to join that hosts the matches, I'm suggesting that you abandon the idea of range time altogether in lieu of just competing at matches. You will learn things, and your skills will improve MUCH faster just shooting matches, than it will just "going to the range."

I know that they are "competitions" but in my personal experience, there isn't pressure to perform at a competition, unless that's what you want. I know it sounds weird for me to suggest forgoing range time and just jumping into competitions, but I'm confident that you'll find no better way to improve your skills and shoot with like minded people. Not for the price and time anyway. The matches ARE the practice by the way. Don't start down the path of "I'm going to practice a bit more before I look into it." Not having shot a match, there isn't really a way to practice for it, especially at ranges where you can't even draw from your holster.

Anyway, good luck. Hope you find something that works for you.

[Great-Kazoo]

I need to clarify. I realize that things are different out here, than they are out there, but here, you don't need to be a member of the range to shoot at the local IDPA, USPSA, IPSC, etc matches.
I'm not suggesting that you find a range to join that hosts the matches, I'm suggesting that you abandon the idea of range time altogether in lieu of just competing at matches. You will learn things, and your skills will improve MUCH faster just shooting matches, than it will just "going to the range."

I know that they are "competitions" but in my personal experience, there isn't pressure to perform at a competition, unless that's what you want. I know it sounds weird for me to suggest forgoing range time and just jumping into competitions, but I'm confident that you'll find no better way to improve your skills and shoot with like minded people. Not for the price and time anyway. The matches ARE the practice by the way. Don't start down the path of "I'm going to practice a bit more before I look into it." Not having shot a match, there isn't really a way to practice for it, especially at ranges where you can't even draw from your holster.

Anyway, good luck. Hope you find something that works for you.

Very well put. Out here as in most places you do not need to be a member of the range to compete. Unsure why you ask about CO ranges while you're in Fla? You will find more info and places to shoot,on a Florida specific gun forum.

Not that you are unwelcome here. Everyone who owns a gun is welcome. Try keeping the politics low if you're a D or O supporter (no more needs saying). However in a state specific forum you will have ideas about meet n greets. Latest shooting events etc.


http://floridagunsforum.com/
http://floridagunsforum.com/



http://gulfcoastgunforum.com/forum.php

[vossman]

Well said.


I know that they are "competitions" but in my personal experience, there isn't pressure to perform at a competition, unless that's what you want. I know it sounds weird for me to suggest forgoing range time and just jumping into competitions, but I'm confident that you'll find no better way to improve your skills and shoot with like minded people. Not for the price and time anyway. The matches ARE the practice by the way. Don't start down the path of "I'm going to practice a bit more before I look into it." Not having shot a match, there isn't really a way to practice for it, especially at ranges where you can't even draw from your holster.

[HighCaliber]

I need to clarify. I realize that things are different out here, than they are out there, but here, you don't need to be a member of the range to shoot at the local IDPA, USPSA, IPSC, etc matches.
I'm not suggesting that you find a range to join that hosts the matches, I'm suggesting that you abandon the idea of range time altogether in lieu of just competing at matches. You will learn things, and your skills will improve MUCH faster just shooting matches, than it will just "going to the range."

I know that they are "competitions" but in my personal experience, there isn't pressure to perform at a competition, unless that's what you want. I know it sounds weird for me to suggest forgoing range time and just jumping into competitions, but I'm confident that you'll find no better way to improve your skills and shoot with like minded people. Not for the price and time anyway. The matches ARE the practice by the way. Don't start down the path of "I'm going to practice a bit more before I look into it." Not having shot a match, there isn't really a way to practice for it, especially at ranges where you can't even draw from your holster.

Anyway, good luck. Hope you find something that works for you.

Thank you!

Coming from an athletic and competitive background I would have never thought of entering a competition without at least 2 years of serious training and having proved myself to myself.

That is a whole new way of looking at it and it makes sense!

I will do some research it and I want to try.

Thanks again.

[HighCaliber]

Very well put. Out here as in most places you do not need to be a member of the range to compete. Unsure why you ask about CO ranges while you're in Fla? You will find more info and places to shoot,on a Florida specific gun forum.

Not that you are unwelcome here. Everyone who owns a gun is welcome. Try keeping the politics low if you're a D or O supporter (no more needs saying). However in a state specific forum you will have ideas about meet n greets. Latest shooting events etc.


http://floridagunsforum.com/
http://floridagunsforum.com/



http://gulfcoastgunforum.com/forum.php

I was asking about the range experience here because it is always interesting to me to know what is happening beyond my immediate bubble.

If also I happen to make friends it nice to be able to meet people face to face when I travel.

I was primarily mostly curious if this trend here in Florida was exclusive to Fl.

Thank you for the links - I will check them out.
I actually found your site through a member here that is also at HKPRO.

I did not feel very welcome there so I joined here :)

And regarding supporting D & O's I think you can already tell from my posts I do not support weakness and co-dependency.

Thank you again for those links.

[Irving]

Coming from an athletic and competitive background I would have never thought of entering a competition without at least 2 years of serious training and having proved myself to myself.

That is a whole new way of looking at it and it makes sense!


I have learned to shoot over the years by just doing competitions. If you want advise, there will be 50 people around willing to give it to you. If you don't, they won't.

[Zombie Steve]

Ooooook. I'm going to tread lightly, because I enjoy going to matches from time to time... but to play Devil's advocate, I normally don't have 6 hours to dedicate to a match so I can fire 150 rounds. I can do that in an hour in the national forest, and practice whatever drills I want. Even at places like South site.

Either way you do run and gun, it will improve your skills. As to the Guns and Blammo article (I never saw it), I think there are some elements of IPSC / USPSA that are bad form. Some examples that come to mind - almost zero emphasis on using cover, leaving cover with an unloaded weapon to get a better time on the stage (i.e. reload on the run in the open), and standing in / shooting from doorways.

[Great-Kazoo]

Ooooook. I'm going to tread lightly, because I enjoy going to matches from time to time... but to play Devil's advocate, I normally don't have 6 hours to dedicate to a match so I can fire 150 rounds. I can do that in an hour in the national forest, and practice whatever drills I want. Even at places like South site.

Either way you do run and gun, it will improve your skills. As to the Guns and Blammo article (I never saw it), I think there are some elements of IPSC / USPSA that are bad form. Some examples that come to mind - almost zero emphasis on using cover, leaving cover with an unloaded weapon to get a better time on the stage (i.e. reload on the run in the open), and standing in / shooting from doorways.

Flourdah has very few open spots to pull over and shoot from. Something we have more a decent amount of, for now.

[HighCaliber]

A National Forest is another good idea.

Husband and I are investigating the local laws into that one.

We just found ( internet ) a National Forest in Lakeland with a designated area for shooting.
Though I think I would be safer if finding a spot in the middle of nowwhere in the forest.

So will look into it also.

A mixture of competition, National Forest and Hog hunting might be more satisfying then obeying indoor range rules.

:)

Thanks.

[Hoser]

Ooooook. I'm going to tread lightly, because I enjoy going to matches from time to time... but to play Devil's advocate, I normally don't have 6 hours to dedicate to a match so I can fire 150 rounds. I can do that in an hour in the national forest, and practice whatever drills I want. Even at places like South site.

Either way you do run and gun, it will improve your skills. As to the Guns and Blammo article (I never saw it), I think there are some elements of IPSC / USPSA that are bad form. Some examples that come to mind - almost zero emphasis on using cover, leaving cover with an unloaded weapon to get a better time on the stage (i.e. reload on the run in the open), and standing in / shooting from doorways.

You get out of it what you put in it...

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/add2d3f8#/add2d3f8/182

[Irving]

You get out of it what you put in it...

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/add2d3f8#/add2d3f8/182

You're good at writing.

[Hoser]

You're good at writing.

Im a hack. I have a really good editor or two...

[cstone]

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing.

[HighCaliber]

You get out of it what you put in it...

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/add2d3f8#/add2d3f8/182

I missed seeing this.

Just read it.

Yes, admit I was still saying in my head " I am not ready/good enough yet".

I did join the two Fl websites suggested earlier.
I am eye balling the competition gun thingy..:)

Maybe I will go watch one first..but will definitely have to try at least the Steel Challenge.

Thank you very much for the push!

[Irving]

A lot of people say they are just going to watch first. You're already driving out there and spending all the time there. Might as well bring your gun and shoot the match. You won't gain/learn anything by watching first anyway, so you might as well shoot. There will be PLENTY of time to watch every single other shooter all day.

If you show up early and help set-up, you'll know the course better than everyone else because you personally set it up (plus a lot of clubs will give you a discount for helping, if they don't already let you shoot your first match for free). Finally, once things get started, just ask them to place your sheet toward the back so you don't feel rushed. I see some people noticably shaking on their first stage. By the end of the day they are perfectly calm and discussing strategy with the other shooters. Come to think of it, I don't think I've shot a single match in over three years that didn't have first time shooters there, so it's not like you'll stand out.There are usually women at every match as well.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

[cstone]

There are usually women at every match as well.

Who often out shoot many of the men. [Flower]

[Irving]

Absolutely true.

[HighCaliber]

A lot of people say they are just going to watch first. You're already driving out there and spending all the time there. Might as well bring your gun and shoot the match. You won't gain/learn anything by watching first anyway, so you might as well shoot. There will be PLENTY of time to watch every single other shooter all day.

If you show up early and help set-up, you'll know the course better than everyone else because you personally set it up (plus a lot of clubs will give you a discount for helping, if they don't already let you shoot your first match for free). Finally, once things get started, just ask them to place your sheet toward the back so you don't feel rushed. I see some people noticably shaking on their first stage. By the end of the day they are perfectly calm and discussing strategy with the other shooters. Come to think of it, I don't think I've shot a single match in over three years that didn't have first time shooters there, so it's not like you'll stand out.There are usually women at every match as well.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

Irving, you make common sense points that are hard to refute and it drove me to call the person responsible for Action Pistol and Steel challenge at a club here near me on how to compete. I am on the search for other events also.

I have even decided on the gun to use: my CZ 97B .45 which I bought tuned for competition from the previous owner.

I will let you know and thank you for just throwing me in the pool to learn how to swim..:)

[Irving]

Good luck and have fun!