Why won't America wake up?!

[Medic583]

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/
Russian editorial by Stanislav Mishin from Pravda.ru

American capitalism gone with a whimper ?

27.04.2009

Source: Pravda.Ru

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test i t was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blindeth the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the sher volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees o f private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

Stanislav Mishin

[SNAFU]

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


I am not blessed,,for mine is the way of the sword,,Viva La Revolution!!!

[RRD3]

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


I am not blessed,,for mine is the way of the sword,,Viva La Revolution!!!


As bad as it would be I'm all for it.

[Mtn.man]

if not our grandchildren will live in slavery and poverty to a corrupt government NOT for the people...

[SA Friday]

I'm also very concerned about our Govt taking over a commercial enterprise the size of GM and inserting themselves into industry. It's straight from the pages of 'Atlas Shrugged'. I'm also concerned that the current education system doesn't instill enough understanding of how our Govt should work, nor the philosophy it derived from. The lack of critical thinking skills directly results in many of the masses turning voting into a 'impulse purchase'. Nope sorry, Chicago won't take Obama back without a receipt.

This article has about 4 sentences of fact wrapped up in a fattened package of rhetoric sauce. Unfortunately, the 4 sentences of fact are truely scary.

[MichiganMilitia]

I think we're all very scared... and I think a lot of us would love the opportunity to do something about it, but it can be a very fine line that separates patriotism from treason...

[blackford76]

[Salute]I am afraid that our country will have to be too far gone to save before everyone realizes how bad it really is. We got the damn change alright. Total economic collapse, or revolution, what will happen first?

[AK545Man]

I just got through looking at level IIIA vests and level IV trauma plates. I hope they never get used. lol

[Mtn.man]

better to go out in a blaze of glory than in a work camp...

[RRD3]

Well..... the Militia's have been bombarded by the media with bad press. They are all white supremest, radicals, anti government, anti this anti that.

Hell, the recent letter that was accidentally released by our Home land Security states that they need to watch out for people who talk bad about Obama, go against the bail-outs, or are former Military.

Believe me when I say that if there isn't a group of millions to stand up at once then the Obama machine will squash any opposition.

[Mtn.man]

somewhere on the net is a site with a blog about how citizens would do against the gov.

according to it the gov, would struggle like Russia did and like we are doing in Afganastan.

[Zundfolge]

Why won't America wake up?!


Because we still have these:

http://cdn-write.demandstudios.com/upload//6000/400/90/1/66491.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/0/g/6/-/-/ringling_bros_04.jpg

[AK545Man]

RRD3 so somehow I'm part of a white supremacist movement? I didn't even know they let black folks join! Is this a default membership of some kind? [ROFL3]

[sniper7]

RRD3 so somehow I'm part of a white supremacist movement? I didn't even know they let black folks join! Is this a default membership of some kind? [ROFL3]


they don't discriminate.[Beer][ROFL2]

[RRD3]

RRD3 so somehow I'm part of a white supremacist movement? I didn't even know they let black folks join! Is this a default membership of some kind? [ROFL3]


Because you own a weapon, because you like your 2nd amendment rights, because you have gone against the Sheeple of this country yes... you are a member. The Home land security department only discriminates against the war on terrorism. That's racist! [Rant2]

[RRD3]

DOH double post

[blackford76]

I know there are a bunch of us here that took a little oath some time ago, had a little phrase in it about "defending this country against all enemies, foreign, AND domestic". Thak makes my heart hurt. Quite a few uf us also have lost friends defending this country, thier memory is being shit upon by this administration. That enrages my heart. We have the tools, we have the training, we have the patriotism, will we get the opportunity?

[RRD3]

I think if it keeps heading in this direction there will be a lot more that think the same way.

Just wondering where that line in the sand is. Mine was crossed some time ago.

[AK545Man]

I crossed the line in '03. I guess I'm at the point of no return. It would be great if things would end up being okay. It seems as though that's just a pipe dream though. If you've paid attention you can see that it's been in the works for some time and it doesn't look as though they are gonna do the right thing ever.

[MichiganMilitia]

Yes, many of us have taken an oath to defend the constitution of the United States... And many of us here are still under that oath.

If you're a little unfamiliar, here it is:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
But where do you draw the line? They may have "crossed your line" back in 2003 or in Nov 2008, but when can we truly say, 'The time has come'?? It tears me apart to think that the organization I am slave to (the government) could be about to take away everything that myself and others fight so hard for. When does the government become a "domestic enemy"? When they impose restrictions on how we may build our homes? When they tell us what we can and cannot drive? When they tell us what sort of guns we can and cannot own? When they tell us we can't own guns at all?

When will that time come and how will we know? Will it come with a bang? No... They know they cannot win that way! After all, THEY are the ones without guns. It will come slowly, over many years, and first they will restrict the types of bullets that we are allowed to buy. Next they will make us all register all our personal information along with what guns we have bought and when we bought them. Then they will restrict certain types of weapons such as short-barreled rifles and automatic rifles. And so it has begun...

What next?

[Irving]

American needs this.

http://gizmodo.com/157999/puzzle-alarm-clock-presents-mild-challenge-wakes-you-up

[blackford76]

You are exatly correct Michiganmilitia. That is exactly the problem, when? We have no way to know. It is different for each of us. We hang on to the hope it will fix itself. Maybe it will. What if it doesn't? How can we plan without commiting treason? So many questions, I know I'm nowhere near smart enough to form any answers.

Sorry guys, I'm just in one of those moods today. Nearing the 1st anniversary of my nephews death.

[AK545Man]

I agree with MichiganMilita too. The line will be different for everyone. That's one of the problems why we as the people have been unsuccessful in fixing this. Something that I might put you over the line might not seem as bad to me based on my upbringing, life experiences, etc.

Even as radical as I'd like to be I still have a small lingering hope that one day it'll be cool. The big part of me just doesn't see it happening. This one of the main reasons why I don't want us to be in NATO or the UN.

I couldn't see U.S. troops trying to go against the people. I could definitely see foreign people though.

[Jumpstart]

Interesting concept Obama opposes :: United States Justice Foundation ...
> Subject: Smoking gun finally found?
&nbs p;April 28, 2009
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.
Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for
comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but

refused comment on the issue.

Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may > overshadow eco
nomic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several
groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has
released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

[MichiganMilitia]

I couldn't see U.S. troops trying to go against the people. I could definitely see foreign people though.

That's the thing though... I think the military represents a very large population of "patriots" that would NOT fight against the people. I think most military members would agree that we fight FOR THE PEOPLE not against them.

[MichiganMilitia]

Jumpstart, can we get a source on that please?

[Jumpstart]

Jumpstart, can we get a source on that please?


I believe it was God.....

All kidding aside, I got it as an internet forward, since it's from the internet it is obviously true.

[blackford76]

It started with "AP" associated press. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it is true!
I remember that early in the campaign my wife found a blog about obamer not being a US citizen, but it quickly dissapeared.

[MichiganMilitia]

Yea... I was just hoping we found something solid. Some real proof or something.

Interesting though, is that the Officer's oath of office does not say "And that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States" like the enlisted oath of office...

[AK545Man]

So who would you have take his place?

[blackford76]

Stornin' Norman!!!

[Jumpstart]

So who would you have take his place?

Anyone, hell George Bush again. Ronald Reagan. Dig him up. He would do less damage to the country.

Did anyone see where bammy called the USA "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world"? (there are 30 other countries with larger population of Muslims) I guess we are now officially a Muslim nation? 2012 can't come soon enough. The Hollywood charlatan that is Obama can't be gone soon enough to the far-left wing college speaking circuit that awaits him in 3 1/2 years.

[blackford76]

My dog is just as qualified, but much more loyal.

[Irving]

Anyone, hell George Bush again.

This just shows that you don't care about this country, you just hate Obama. Surely you can do better than that.

The problem is that if Obama were not in office, then it would be the current Vice, and I like him even less.

[SA Friday]

This just shows that you don't care about this country, you just hate Obama. Surely you can do better than that.

The problem is that if Obama were not in office, then it would be the current Vice, and I like him even less.
Wow, someone figured it out[Coffee]... I was getting scared there for a second.

[SNAFU]

So who would you have take his place?

I wonder IF Obama were to be disqualified,,would that leave us Biden?

[blackford76]

IF Obamer was found to be inelligable to be president, wouldn't that void the whole election? I've been trying to come up with a good idea of who I'd like to see as president, but am not doing very well. McCain was a lesser of 2 evils, George W., I don't think so, it is time for something different, but who would be best suited to guide us out of this mess we are in? Someone with good business sense obviously, not a professional politician, that doesn't work for shit. So I am out of ideas. I'd prefer someone with real military experience. Someone who doesn't care about being re-elected. Someone who understands, and believes in the Constitution. Who is this person?

[AK545Man]

I'm void of thinking of anyone I trust. Cocksuckers all work together. I wish everyone would realize that.

[Jumpstart]

This just shows that you don't care about this country, you just hate Obama. Surely you can do better than that.

The problem is that if Obama were not in office, then it would be the current Vice, and I like him even less.

1.Ohh, that's what that means. Thanks for clearing it up for me and telling me who I "hate" and that I "don't care about this country". If you hadn't had done that I wouldn't have known. You are quite helpful (Funny I didn't recall writing that..)
and...
2. So I guess since I show dissent and disagree with your apparent messiah, I hate the USA? No, surely YOU can do better than that. That tactic is way old and an obvious impident liberal talking point. Show a little creativity at least.

[RRD3]

There has always been a question on weather or not Obama has the citizenship need to hold the highest office.

When this was a big issue he refused to show a birth certificate. The courts at the time rejected the case and was dropped. Why didn't he just put everything at rest by showing the proper documentation?

[Zundfolge]

The problem is that if Obama were not in office, then it would be the current Vice, and I like him even less.

Biden is an idiot, but Barry is downright evil.

I'd much rather have an idiotic gaff machine that the MSM will allow to be criticized (because he's a white guy) than this maniacal Marxist who is part of a protected class (not a white guy) that the MSM will never consider criticizing nor allow criticism of.

[Jumpstart]

E-forward, take it as it may. Sturtle, please accept my apologies in advance ma'am. We will be talking about Obama.

An update from Oklahoma.


The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..........We did it anyway.

We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.
Guess what..........we did it anyway.

Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional.
Guess what........We did it anyway.

Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.........More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again.

The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi.
Guess what..........We did it anyway.

By the way, Obama does not like any of this.
Guess what....who cares...were doing it anyway.

[RRD3]

So who would you have take his place?


I think the best choice would be someone who has never held office. Former Military maybe(?) No big business men, a Constitutionalists, some one who thinks that the federal government needs to go back to the old days of operation. Let the States manage and run themselves as they see fit.

Who.... no clue but I would like to see those values.

[Mtn.man]

Chuck Norris..

[RRD3]

Chuck Norris..


He would probably do a good job.

[Mtn.man]

sure don't see him holding hands with Shieks and kissing french premiers...LOL

[AK545Man]

The only problem I have is nothing will change. I bet my life on it that even if he is found to be ineligible, whoever takes over will just continue on the path. As I keep saying to everyone I know there's an agenda to be followed and they are going to follow it no matter what.

They are extremely cunning. So much so that people can't even see the correlation between what the last did and what the current is doing.

[Jumpstart]

The only problem I have is nothing will change.

But didn't you vote for "change"?

[Medic583]

So who would you have take his place?
I liked Ron Paul, personally. Although, Stormin Norman would be a kick ass choice as well!!

[MichiganMilitia]

This country needs another Ronald Reagan...

[AK545Man]

But didn't you vote for "change"?



I voted 3rd party. Despite the fact that I know the 3rd parties won't win, it would at least make those who always say "but if you didn't vote how can you complain?" shutup.

Everything has been a joke for so long. People can either see it or not.

[Jumpstart]

I voted 3rd party. Despite the fact that I know the 3rd parties won't win, it would at least make those who always say "but if you didn't vote how can you complain?" shutup.

Everything has been a joke for so long. People can either see it or not.

Good for you and us. I voted for Ross Perot with my first presidential vote. I like to see a viable third party candidates in all elections...

[AK545Man]

Definitely Jumpstart. I'm just waiting for the day that people actually wake up to the fact that there's more than 2 parties. Until that day I will always believe that elections are setups and both parties are really the same thing.

Which even if a major 3rd party comes about who's to say that they won't be corrupt too? But at least it'll be a step in the right direction, you know?

I love the look on peoples' faces when they find out that I didn't vote for Obama. The face says, "you're black and you didn't vote for him?"

I love it. But don't get me wrong I never thought I'd see it so a part of me was excited. But once I realized that it was just gonna be more of the same shit I went right back to just regular old me. lol

[MichiganMilitia]

My first presidential vote went to the Libertarian Party. :)

[Irving]

1.Ohh, that's what that means. Thanks for clearing it up for me and telling me who I "hate" and that I "don't care about this country". If you hadn't had done that I wouldn't have known. You are quite helpful (Funny I didn't recall writing that..)
and...
2. So I guess since I show dissent and disagree with your apparent messiah, I hate the USA? No, surely YOU can do better than that. That tactic is way old and an obvious impident liberal talking point. Show a little creativity at least.


I'm really disappointed in you. If you paid a shred of attention, you wouldn't want Bush in office again. Also, you'd never have even proposed the question of who else to put in office, because it'd be Biden. After Biden it'd be Pelosi. This is all explained in the constitution.

Show a little creativity? Try taking a page from your own book and thinking past the front of your own nose. I have no love for Obama, but when you make statements like you did (that you don't care who it is, as long as it's not Obama, then it shows that you haven't considered the issue any further than that you just hate Obama.

I'm personally torn between who I would fear in office more between Obama and Biden. Obama seems smarter of the two. He does what he is told, and knows how to play the game. The reason Biden gets caught up in all those gaffs is because he is over his head and not skilled enough in playing the game. It seems to me that with someone like Biden in office, he'd get too cocky, not listen to his puppet masters, and try something drastic that would back lash right in his face; causing his house to crumble. That sounds nice and all, but that leaves the country ripe for taking by someone who knows how to play off the emotions of the wounded populace.

I'd much rather have someone as smart as Obama take office in a time of peace, and just do his due diligence to untie the knot the country is in.

I'm pretty depressed to see that only one or two of you guys mentioned Ron Paul as a better president, as he is all about states rights and smaller government.

Jumpstart, you are a joke.

[Colorado Luckydog]

I have news for you people who voted for a third party. If you didn't vote Republican you voted for Obama. Until there is a viable third party canidate with a rats ass chance to win, it's a vote waisted.

Obama has this country on a downhill track. I'm preparing for anything.

God Bless this country and all of you.

[RRD3]

I have news for you people who voted for a third party. If you didn't vote Republican you voted for Obama. Until there is a viable third party canidate with a rats ass chance to win, it's a vote waisted.

Obama has this country on a downhill track. I'm preparing for anything.

God Bless this country and all of you.


Somewhat true. But when there is no chance that a Republican can win then supporting a 3rd party is a good thing. This lets both the Dems and Rebubs know that people are not happy with either of them.

If it was up to me... and God I wish it was. I would remove everyone of them from office. Put a 4 year term on all seats, make it a volunteer position and get rid of both parties.

I know that there are some flaws in that statement but it was ment to be generalized. There would be much more to it.

[MichiganMilitia]

Why do we even need a president? Or an overbearing Federal government that taxes the hell out of anything under its rule? Or laws telling me I have to do what someone else says all the time? I have to follow someone else's rules all the time and it kinda pisses me off, especially when that someone has a different vision for what I should be doing with my life than I do.

Vote for minimal government! Vote for states' rights! Vote for freedom!!!

"As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights. Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."
-- James Madison, National Gazette essay, March 27, 1792

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one...."
-- James Madison, letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792

"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Ben Franklin

"A wise and frugal government ... shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."
-- James Madison, Federal No. 45, January 26, 1788

"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent."
-- Abraham Lincoln, October 16, 1854

"The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

[Irving]

I think there should be a lot more open source government myself.

[RRD3]

I think there should be a lot more open source government myself.


I work in the I.T. field. I do want want to place a call to my government after hours and have the phone answered by Prajit Pacamal [ROFL1]


Ohh.... you said "open source" not "out sourced" :D

[Jumpstart]

I'm really disappointed in you. If you paid a shred of attention, you wouldn't want Bush in office again. Also, you'd never have even proposed the question of who else to put in office, because it'd be Biden. After Biden it'd be Pelosi. This is all explained in the constitution.

Show a little creativity? Try taking a page from your own book and thinking past the front of your own nose. I have no love for Obama, but when you make statements like you did (that you don't care who it is, as long as it's not Obama, then it shows that you haven't considered the issue any further than that you just hate Obama.

I'm personally torn between who I would fear in office more between Obama and Biden. Obama seems smarter of the two. He does what he is told, and knows how to play the game. The reason Biden gets caught up in all those gaffs is because he is over his head and not skilled enough in playing the game. It seems to me that with someone like Biden in office, he'd get too cocky, not listen to his puppet masters, and try something drastic that would back lash right in his face; causing his house to crumble. That sounds nice and all, but that leaves the country ripe for taking by someone who knows how to play off the emotions of the wounded populace.

I'd much rather have someone as smart as Obama take office in a time of peace, and just do his due diligence to untie the knot the country is in.

I'm pretty depressed to see that only one or two of you guys mentioned Ron Paul as a better president, as he is all about states rights and smaller government.

Jumpstart, you are a joke.
I guess you don't understand tongue in cheek observations. Look up. It's above your head.

[Jumpstart]

I have news for you people who voted for a third party. If you didn't vote Republican you voted for Obama. Until there is a viable third party canidate with a rats ass chance to win, it's a vote waisted.

Obama has this country on a downhill track. I'm preparing for anything.

God Bless this country and all of you.

I concur. I didn't vote for Juan "Amnestia" McCain, I voted against Obama. I really wanted to vote for Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin from the Constitution Party. Our worst fears came true anyway.......

[MichiganMilitia]

Ohh.... you said "open source" not "out sourced" :D

Well, outsourcing those bureaucratic bastards wouldn't be so bad either... [ROFL1]

[MichiganMilitia]

Obama has this country on a downhill track. I'm preparing for anything.

Very smart... I don't even have my AR15 completed yet, but I just ordered 1k rounds of ammo... and 20 more 25rd mags (my AR is 6.8mm)... and I have a nice water tight storage system for it. :)

This is the best preparation I can afford right now, but I think it ought to be enough for a meanwhile... until my bank account recovers. [Tooth]

[Irving]

I guess you don't understand tongue in cheek observations. Look up. It's above your head.

Oh, so when I call you out, you were all the sudden just joking? How convenient.

[Jumpstart]

Oh, so when I call you out, you were all the sudden just joking? How convenient.

You didn't "call me out". You had a stick in your rear end and then started projecting your biases onto what I posted. Apparently you also thought my subsequent "dig Ronald Reagan up" comment was also in total seriousness. Please don't blame me for your pissyness or lack of reading comprehension ma'am.

[jason303]

There's too many out there that just want their food, drink, and TV programs and are willing to give up whatever to keep them. Scary stories on the news keep us distracted while individual right are slowly eroded away under the guise of keeping us safe. Quietly prepare and loudly rally for whats left of our rights. Sickening as it is, we must now fight to keep rights that are, by the founders of the republic, guaranteed.

As for the line being crossed, it's different for everyone so no singular event will cause a large mobilization. It will come down to something beyond everyone's control such as an act of nature and the prepared will unite. Until then the game remains unchanged.

I'm a half-empty kinda guy.

[theGinsue]

There has always been a question on weather or not Obama has the citizenship need to hold the highest office.

When this was a big issue he refused to show a birth certificate. The courts at the time rejected the case and was dropped. Why didn't he just put everything at rest by showing the proper documentation?

Ah yes. I've never been a person to agree with the philosophy of "if you have nothing to hide, then why won't you be totally transparent", BUT, this man was running for and has taken the highest public office in our nation and a requirement for that office is his citizenship. Hiding proof of his true citizenship is a violation of the law of the land and can only lead one to believe that the "proof" would show that he is not eligible for said office.


The only problem I have is nothing will change. I bet my life on it that even if he is found to be ineligible, whoever takes over will just continue on the path. As I keep saying to everyone I know there's an agenda to be followed and they are going to follow it no matter what.

They are extremely cunning. So much so that people can't even see the correlation between what the last did and what the current is doing.

BINGO!


This country needs another Ronald Reagan...

Absolutely. Now, we just have to find that man/woman.


I love the look on peoples' faces when they find out that I didn't vote for Obama. The face says, "you're black and you didn't vote for him?"

I love it. But don't get me wrong I never thought I'd see it so a part of me was excited. But once I realized that it was just gonna be more of the same shit I went right back to just regular old me. lol

People are always waiting for a punch line when they hear this conservative white boy from Missouri (spelled HILLBILLY...me!) say that I think it was about time time that we had a black person in the Office of the Presidency of the United States, but I really did feel that way. I'm only saddened/disillusioned that American chose THIS black man for that office.


There's too many out there that just want their food, drink, and TV programs and are willing to give up whatever to keep them. Scary stories on the news keep us distracted while individual right are slowly eroded away under the guise of keeping us safe. Quietly prepare and loudly rally for whats left of our rights. Sickening as it is, we must now fight to keep rights that are, by the founders of the republic, guaranteed.

As for the line being crossed, it's different for everyone so no singular event will cause a large mobilization. It will come down to something beyond everyone's control such as an act of nature and the prepared will unite. Until then the game remains unchanged.

Exactly right Jason. You could hold a golf ball up in front of the faces of these folks and expect to get one of two responses: (a) "No, I think it's really a ping-pong ball and you don't know what you're talking about", and (b) "Who cares. I don't play golf". My point is that until these people feel the pain DIRECTLY and UNDENIABLY, there will deny there is a problem whilst their heads remain buried in the sand and they are given their piece of cheese and sent on their way. Through the years I've worked with and known a depressing number of these folks and nothing can change their way of thinking.

We all have a different line that we will hold firm on and say NO MORE. A line where we are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING (our non-incarcerated status, our possessions, our jobs, our ability to obtain an income, our families, and our lives) for. Because of this, we can not truly be united enough to make the kind of change that needs to occur. Until we are truly united, and all decide to hold firm at the same line we can not win nor even hope to change the tide that is flowing now.

I have been privy to interesting information through the years when I was active duty. This is tin-hat stuff that I SAW first-hand. What you and I are told via the media and the government is often twisted from the truth. With this knowledge, I can only assume that if we were to stand alone, we could expect a real possibility of having our reputations ruined and their freedoms removed. We could be expected to be branded as dangerous, criminal, treasonous, and quite possibly "terrorist" - simply for standing up for our RIGHTS. Remember the golden rule: He who has the gold (or rather, the seat of power), rules! Only by standing together can we ever expect to bring about change. We have enough numbers to get the bad folks voted out of office but we fail to come together on a single candidate for each office to bring about that take-over. WE act as our own worse enemy by not coming together to effect the changes needed.

All I see in our future is the stuff sci-fi movies of doom are made of.

[AK545Man]

I have been privy to interesting information through the years when I was active duty. This is tin-hat stuff that I SAW first-hand. What you and I are told via the media and the government is often twisted from the truth. With this knowledge, I can only assume that if we were to stand alone, we could expect a real possibility of having our reputations ruined and their freedoms removed. We could be expected to be branded as dangerous, criminal, treasonous, and quite possibly "terrorist" - simply for standing up for our RIGHTS. Remember the golden rule: He who has the gold (or rather, the seat of power), rules! Only by standing together can we ever expect to bring about change. We have enough numbers to get the bad folks voted out of office but we fail to come together on a single candidate for each office to bring about that take-over. WE act as our own worse enemy by not coming together to effect the changes needed.

All I see in our future is the stuff sci-fi movies of doom are made of.


I know what you mean. I worked for DHS for over 2 years.

[GunTroll]

Based off of the title of this thread......instead of asking yourself why won't America wake up you should ask yourself and others to inform/educate people who aren't like-minded. So not to preach to the choir scenario. Find the fence riders and talk em' over to the "right" side. Go find the libs and have a mental battle of sorts. I just love pissing off libs with logic when all they have are emotions.

[Mtn.man]

libs have a brain?

How can you convert them to the dar,, er right side when they cannot think for themselves. they would have to call a gubment official to help them make a thought.

(see: Alec Baldwin)

[GunTroll]

[ROFL1] True. Very true. But the fence riders still are worth it.