View Full Version : Colorado license plate? Probable cause for a stop lol
One of my friends just got off the phone with his 20 year old son. The son just got back from spending a year in China on a religious misson, came home to Lakewood for a couple of weeks, drove to Minnesota to see family. Driving back through Nebraska spots a trooper following him, keeps on driving normal. Trooper pulls in front then slows down, his son passes him, gets lit up. Told he's being stopped for tailgating. Claims that's probable cause to search the vehicle. Places friend's son in back of the patrol unit-not cuffed-and spends 30 minutes looking through the car. Doesn't find anything (no surprise to my friend), gives the ticket and sends the kid on his way. Of course it's interesting it happened coming back to Colorado and not driving the other way.
It's great having Colorado plates on a car when out of state lol. Of course we know there will be illegal trafficking but I'm only venting because you couldn't find a straighter laced kid if you tried.
ChunkyMonkey
08-19-2014, 11:49
I think you think too much of it. [Beer]
theGinsue
08-19-2014, 11:54
Personal dashcams could help the kidfight the ticket and possibly could have used it to avoid the search. I need to get one for each of my vehicles.
SideShow Bob
08-19-2014, 12:04
Personal dashcams could help the kidfight the ticket and possibly could have used it to avoid the search. I need to get one for each of my vehicles.
This....... It would be the only proof in court of the LEO setting him up for the tailgating charge and subsequent fruitless search. And how is tailgating probable cause for a search anyway ? Oh yeah, I forgot, it was Nebraska........
BushMasterBoy
08-19-2014, 12:31
The police would never do that...would they?
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/marijuana/are-colorado-drivers-profiled-for-pot-by-law-enforcement-in-other-states
SuperiorDG
08-19-2014, 12:45
On average, I've heard, a cop can have a reason to pull you over in 1.7 miles. It is nearly impossible to drive without doing something that will get you pulled if the cop wants you. I have my dash cam running all the time.
This is the cam I have.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DM27QFK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BonLNvnxL._SL1500_.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSneT3--FGE
Great-Kazoo
08-19-2014, 12:54
The police would never do that...would they?
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/marijuana/are-colorado-drivers-profiled-for-pot-by-law-enforcement-in-other-states
well at least he didn't execute him [facepalm]
For those of you with dash cams, I wonder if putting a sticker on your window that said "This vehicle is equipped with a dash cam" would make an officer think twice before hassling you.
SideShow Bob
08-19-2014, 14:08
For those of you with dash cams, I wonder if putting a sticker on your window that said "This vehicle is equipped with a dash cam" would make an officer think twice before hassling you.
It would probably get you a tenderizing and arrested for Iterfering with a a police officer, especially if it was a one of the Denver PD officers that think it is illegal to record or photograph them.
ruthabagah
08-19-2014, 14:39
On average, I've heard, a cop can have a reason to pull you over in 1.7 miles. It is nearly impossible to drive without doing something that will get you pulled if the cop wants you. I have my dash cam running all the time.
This is the cam I have.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DM27QFK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BonLNvnxL._SL1500_.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSneT3--FGE
Excellent! I am seriously thinking about getting one since I saw a guy 2 days in row @Auraria & Kalamath, trying to jump on some car and fake a collision....The funny part: he missed twice!
Excellent! I am seriously thinking about getting one since I saw a guy 2 days in row @Auraria & Kalamath, trying to jump on some car and fake a collision....The funny part: he missed twice!
He's practicing. Not everyone gets it on the first few tries.
Stop for a traffic infraction is not probable cause for a vehicle search. More to the story?
I also have been considering a dash cam but now I'm looking into body cams that could serve the dual purpose when in the vehicle
ruthabagah
08-19-2014, 15:16
He's practicing. Not everyone gets it on the first few tries.
Stop for a traffic infraction is not probable cause for a vehicle search. More to the story?
I also have been considering a dash cam but now I'm looking into body cams that could serve the dual purpose when in the vehicle
Good point. I was recently looking at some vids on youtube and this guy had the cam mounted somewhere above his head (dome light?) and it not only showed the road but also his hands and head when he turned to look through an intersection. It looked like a good spot to put a cam. The view on the road was not as good as a dash cam, but was still good. Or good enough to see the other guy crash into him!
spqrzilla
08-19-2014, 15:20
As the story was told, there was no probable cause for a vehicle search.
HoneyBadger
08-19-2014, 15:29
As the story was told, there was no probable cause for a vehicle search.
Yeah, but how do you convince a LEO who insists on it that he's wrong? [hahhah-no]
Zundfolge
08-19-2014, 15:37
I bet one could make a killing printing up a bunch of "NO ON 64" stickers for Coloradoans that have to drive in Nebraska.
Here's one I've thrown together
48603
Great-Kazoo
08-19-2014, 15:58
Yeah, but how do you convince a LEO who insists on it that he's wrong? [hahhah-no]
Man up. Inform said officer, you are sorry but you do not consent to a vehicle search. Suggest he contact his superior for clarification.
Get the dogs, get the truck, GET A WARRANT.
Man up. Inform said officer, you are sorry but you do not consent to a vehicle search. Suggest he contact his superior for clarification.
Get the dogs, get the truck, GET A WARRANT.
+1 Then step back a respectable distance and carefully utilize the ubiquitous phone camera to video said search. Do not answer any questions while the officer is conducting the search and make certain you get a good photograph of the officer and his/her vehicle. Don't argue, don't consent. Just document and write a good narrative statement as soon as possible afterwards. Contact officer's department and file a complaint. Then contact an attorney if you do not feel the issue is dealt with to your satisfaction.
Everyone has supervisors...everyone. Hold ALL public officials accountable. Treat everyone with the respect they deserve.
Be safe.
Aloha_Shooter
08-19-2014, 17:18
I've been thinking about Kim Komando's dash-cam (http://shop.komando.com/the-komando-dual-lens-dash-cam):
http://shop.komando.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/450x450/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/1/8/1824_1.jpg
http://shop.komando.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/450x450/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/d/u/dual-lens_alt2white.jpg
It's currently on sale for $150 ...
Madeinhb
08-19-2014, 17:36
Do the cams record audio or just video? Once the memory card is full does the camera just over ride the data on the card?
My buddy runs this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ASUWOGA/ref=oh_details_o07_s01_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Runs an SD card and just loops over itself once the SD is filled.
muddywings
08-19-2014, 19:36
My buddy runs this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ASUWOGA/ref=oh_details_o07_s01_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Runs an SD card and just loops over itself once the SD is filled.
That's a bit more in my budget. Does he like it?
I got pulled over when driving out to MO for work. Didn't search the car, my moms friend was hitching a ride back home with me and said they are pulling a lot of people over with CO plates. Officer was pretty cool asked why I was driving through and then told him I would be running back and forth to visit my then pregnant wife and class. Didn't get pulled over again and I drove back at least 5 or 6 times.
Circuits
08-19-2014, 19:45
I just popped for three of these and some SD cards. Trust, but verify.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053DDNW6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
10mm-man
08-19-2014, 19:47
I prob need to get one! No issue thus far, been to; Phoenix, Flagstaff, then to Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Amarillo, DFW, then up to OKC, Kansas. All within the last 2 months with no issue.
blacklabel
08-19-2014, 19:55
I made it to KC and back, going through Kansas on the trip and Nebraska on the way back without issue. And they had all the cause in the world to pull me over, I habitually drive 5 under the limit. Sucks that the kid got harassed based on his license plates.
gnihcraes
08-19-2014, 20:30
why not a dash cam? I've talked with two DPD officers in the last couple of days that had cam's on their person. (shoulder) Interesting.
That's a bit more in my budget. Does he like it?
Ya the last time I talked to him about it, he had no complaints. I saw a video from it and it was pretty good. Comparable to any police cam I've seen. I'll ask him tomorrow if he's had any issues now that he's had it for a while.
Interesting stuff gents, thanks. My friend's son was raised to be respectful to everyone but especially leo (uncle on his mother's side is a deputy in North Dakota). From what my friend said his son was mostly shocked while the encounter was going on, couldn't believe it was really happening. He said he consented as he knew he didn't have anything in the car to be worried about. This is the kind of young man everyone always comments on what a nice, polite guy he is. According to my friend his son has been stopped twice in the past when they lived in Minnesota but never ticketed.
Who knows, it was just a weird experience.
HoneyBadger
08-19-2014, 21:37
Well, I'm driving to Chicago tomorrow... Wish me luck!
I just picked up one of these: http://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threads/complete-review-of-g1w-c-capacitor-based-dash-camera-nt96650-ar0330-1080p-30fps.3543/http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=131208541342&view=all&tid=981671104003 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=131208541342&view=all&tid=981671104003)
I'm still looking at some type of body camera. The sunglass cameras are getting better and they are coming down in price. pivothead.com makes an interesting pair. This web site has some interesting cameras: http://stuntcams.com/shop/index.php?osCsid=d1fafc99c5a55efaa75123520aabeab4
My apology for the broken link. I switched the link to a review of the dash cam I bought. The price was $55 with free shipping.
Here is another link to an unboxing vidoe for the same dash cam:
http://youtu.be/uyiTBYvucWU
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-19-2014, 21:42
Cstone - link doesn't work to the dash cam, can you try a different one? Says product no longer for sale.
Here's a video from my buddies camera.
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfa1/v/t42.1790-2/1743028_10153810588140430_952668789_n.mp4?oh=13920 fecbee342e11d310c8e661bc698&oe=53F50F23
10mm-man
08-20-2014, 15:22
On average, I've heard, a cop can have a reason to pull you over in 1.7 miles. It is nearly impossible to drive without doing something that will get you pulled if the cop wants you. I have my dash cam running all the time.
This is the cam I have.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DM27QFK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BonLNvnxL._SL1500_.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSneT3--FGE
I've heard the same thing! Anytime a cop gets behind me, if he doesn't go around within say 30sec or so, I pull over immediately. I have done it about four times now, without issue. I figure if they want me, then why delay it. If they ask me why I pulled over, I would tell them the same.
We got pulled over in AZ for going 1 over the speed limit. We suspect it was from our CO license plate.
Well, I'm driving to Chicago tomorrow... Wish me luck!
I'd say not so much on the LE encounter side, but be safe there, you know about the 26 shooting deaths last week, right? Mind your surroundings. [Luck]
HoneyBadger
08-20-2014, 21:01
Made it through Nebraska from west to east on 80 without getting stopped. I did see quite a few state troopers, but most of them were looking at Westbound traffic.
Great-Kazoo
08-20-2014, 22:10
I'd say not so much on the LE encounter side, but be safe there, you know about the 26 shooting deaths last week, right? Mind your surroundings. [Luck]
I have him covered if needed. Or he can reach out to irving.
Great-Kazoo
08-20-2014, 22:13
Made it through Nebraska from west to east on 80 without getting stopped. I did see quite a few state troopers, but most of them were looking at Westbound traffic.
Nothing personal but you look L7, compared to the colorado doper lyfe style. They'd probably strip search you for a dash cam vid, nothing more. Stay safe.
NFATrustGuy
08-20-2014, 22:17
Had to look up L7. Guess that makes me L7.
RWW
Great-Kazoo
08-20-2014, 22:36
Had to look up L7. Guess that makes me L7.
RWW
Come on man, i know you grok.
NFATrustGuy
08-21-2014, 00:21
Come on man, i know you grok.
Yer killin' me here, Kazoo. I had to look up grok, too!
In my defense, I hadn't even been born when the term "grok" was coined.
I am a simple country mouse.
HoneyBadger
08-21-2014, 06:10
Nothing personal but you look L7, compared to the colorado doper lyfe style. They'd probably strip search you for a dash cam vid, nothing more. Stay safe.
They'd probably strip search me because I'm good looking and they want to see more! [LOL] I tried to look up L7 and it scared me. Still don't know what it is.
HoneyBadger
08-21-2014, 06:53
L7 WEENIE
I'm NOT going to google that...
oh snap! I just got the movie reference![facepalm]
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-21-2014, 06:56
I'm NOT going to google that...
Have you never seen sandlot?
HoneyBadger
08-21-2014, 07:08
Have you never seen sandlot?
Yeah yeah yeah... I'm terrible with movie quotes. I guess I have more important things to try to remember
Like the name of the girl that signed that baseball?
We just got back from a driving trip to Minnesota, and had to drive through Poobraska. We took great pains to avoid being pulled over/profiled: took down anything hanging from the mirror, ensured nothing was blocking the windows, used the cruise control set to 1/2 mile under the speed limit, etc. Thankfully, there was no trouble with the cops, but the %$$##@@!# truckers were REAL assholes. While driving through a road construction zone (55 mph, fines doubled for speeding) I had a big rig crawl up my butt to the point that my entire back window was filled with grill. No way was I going to get a speeding ticket, so I slowed down to 52 MPH and he finally backed off. I will confess to being white-knuckled until he backed off a bit.
I'll tell you where we get pulled over EVERY time- that'd be Iowa. Our widow tinting is dark, and the cornfed troopers are bored, bored, bored.
HoneyBadger
08-22-2014, 12:15
lol! I made it through Nebraska and Iowa averaging 74 mph, and that includes gas and food stops.
ruthabagah
08-22-2014, 13:39
lol! I made it through Nebraska and Iowa averaging 74 mph, and that includes gas and food stops.
In Nebraska, Gas usually happens after food stops.
HoneyBadger
08-22-2014, 13:44
In Nebraska, Gas usually happens after food stops.
Indeed. [Coffee]
lol! I made it through Nebraska and Iowa averaging 74 mph, and that includes gas and food stops.
You must have gone through during a rare day when there was no road construction in Nebraska. :) We've decided to simply go through SD instead of Iowa; it tacks on more time, but it's better than sitting in the back seat of the Iowa Trooper's car while he talks about how Colorado's tinting laws vs Iowa's blahblahlah.
I'll tell you where we get pulled over EVERY time- that'd be Iowa. Our widow tinting is dark, and the cornfed troopers are bored, bored, bored.
This has been my experience. Just fishing for some drug traffickers officers? Better work on your Spidy Senses because you are wasting your time on me and the family in our four door sedan, complete with a small dog in the front seat. Obstructed tag...apparently this is the best they can come up with in the Hawkeye State. [facepalm]
Circuits
08-22-2014, 22:45
Put my cams in today. Turn on automatically when power is applied at the USB port (power adapters), and run for 10:00:00 unless something is happening onscreen ("motion detect") to let them turn off. So I got dash cam from ignition on to 9:59:59 after power off (unless motion keeps the camera on longer, on battery power), with 32Gb SD cards running. Better than nothin', i guess.
Goodburbon
08-22-2014, 23:23
Got pulled over for "dirty rear plate".
By a Texas trooper headed the opposite direction on a divided highway at 75mph who turned around to get me.
I then withstood the most blatant fishing line of questions ever.
Where you headed?
The rigs hunh?, those boys like their drugs. You bringin em some?
Those boys really like their meth, you sure you're not makin a delivery?
Etc.
I was respectful, if a bit flabbergasted by his line of questioning. He was apparently satisfied with my answers, 5minutes and I was on my way.
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BushMasterBoy
08-23-2014, 01:37
Thats what y'all get for sportin' a Obama sticker!
Thats what y'all get for sportin' a Obama sticker!
[LOL] That's funny right there!
"Y'all ain't from 'round her, is ya?"
When I was working in Omaha, I avoided the other side of the river like a plague...
Bailey Guns
08-23-2014, 11:46
When I was stationed at Offutt AFB and saw people from IA drive it's no wonder the state troopers in IA stop out of state cars. I don't think anyone from IA has ever driven the speed limit, much less exceeded it.
Solves the problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQOJmCztLw
blackford76
08-24-2014, 00:28
When I was stationed at Offutt AFB and saw people from IA drive it's no wonder the state troopers in IA stop out of state cars. I don't think anyone from IA has ever driven the speed limit, much less exceeded it.
Iowa, Idiots Out Wandering Around.
Madeinhb
08-24-2014, 02:10
What I don't get - is if someone were to start smuggling pot - why would they use colorado plates? That's what I'd ask the cop.
Madeinhb
08-24-2014, 02:11
Solves the problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQOJmCztLw
Except for two license plates registered
Great-Kazoo
08-24-2014, 04:35
What I don't get - is if someone were to start smuggling pot - why would they use colorado plates? That's what I'd ask the cop.
Same reason folks running powder from CA, still drove 90% tinted windowed Benz, caddy' s and other inconspicuous vehicles through UT & WYO @ 80+ 1-4 in the morning. Then wondered why they were pulled over. Which gave us many a claim of profiling, lawsuits, IIRC a court ruling etc.
HoneyBadger
08-25-2014, 16:39
You must have gone through during a rare day when there was no road construction in Nebraska. :) We've decided to simply go through SD instead of Iowa; it tacks on more time, but it's better than sitting in the back seat of the Iowa Trooper's car while he talks about how Colorado's tinting laws vs Iowa's blahblahlah.
Just got home. I averaged about 8 or 9 over through Nebraska. Should have gotten pulled over in Omaha, but for some reason didn't. I was clearly going 10 over and the cop stared right at me... I slowed down right away, but he could have pulled me over if he wanted. I had a close call on 76 by sterling too, but I slowed down in time. Either way, they had plenty of reasons to pull me over and probably throw me in jail if they wanted, but maybe it was the sweet stickers on the back window that saved me. ;)
http://i.imgur.com/Eu7LO7Cl.png
What I don't get - is if someone were to start smuggling pot - why would they use colorado plates? That's what I'd ask the cop.
Why don't people just use limos where they don't have to pen the back due to privacy laws? Or do they?
wctriumph
08-25-2014, 17:06
I have been through all of those states. Maybe the difference was that I was driving a pick up truck with GA plates. The only state in my region I ever got hassled in was WY. I was even told, at a rest stop of all places, that because I was driving a company truck it was commercial and I needed apportioned plates. I told him no it did not and he would need to show me the WY statute that said that. I called my office and asked our DMV expert about it and after about 20 minutes the Trooper could not find it, my expert said no laws he could find, I told the Trooper that because it was a F150 which was a 1/2 ton truck, it was exempt. he said OK and let me go.
Once I was driving from Jackson to Cody and the ranger said that because it was a company truck I couldn't drive through the park, I would have to go around. I asked to see a senior ranger to show me that park service rules that disallowed me entering the park in my F150. He arrived after about 10 minutes, asked me what my "beef" with his ranger was. I explained that I was on my way to Cody from Jackson, and yes, it was a company truck but why can't I drive on through? He said the rules were to prevent commercial truck traffic and my F150 did not qualify as commercial. He told the attendant it was OK to let me through and even said I did not need to pay for the hassle the junior ranger caused me.
Two years ago, driving Denver to Detroit, I was pulled over shortly after leaving IA into IL. First question, 'Know how fast you were going?'
"About 70"
"Speed limit is 65"
"Oh, it was 70 a few miles back"
About then the K9 unit pulls up, and out pops the pooch.
Cop says, "Ok, you got one of them there medical marijuana cards?"
"Nope"
"Any firearms?"
"ummmmmm......I gotta think about that.....nope"
Then the dog gets a 'hit' indicating he sniffed drugs.
They proceeded to go through my vehicle, I showed them a few places they missed, even unwrapped a gift I was taking home. They wanted to take apart my seats, and offered to do it for them, if they had a 10mm socket.
Well, they spent some time trying to figure out why the dog 'hit', then they said, "Well, you don't seem like a criminal, so here's a warning, have a good evening"
Cops were pleasant, we had a good conversation, and the whole thing took about 30 minutes.
My ratty Accord looks a lot like a blacked out Mercedes-Benz ......at night.
About then the K9 unit pulls up, and out pops the pooch.
Then the dog gets a 'hit' indicating he sniffed drugs.
Well, they spent some time trying to figure out why the dog 'hit', then they said, "Well, you don't seem like a criminal, so here's a warning, have a good evening"
When this happens, get the name of the K9 and the handler, along with the department. The next day, call the department and describe the incident. Ask the department how many false/positives before they decertify and retrain the dogs and handler. Depending on their response, you can call the state's Department of Public Safety or whichever state agency oversees local law enforcement to make them aware of the incident.
Just like any scientific instrument, it is either calibrated and working correctly, or it needs to be recalibrated.
Any handler can induce the dog into behaving like it smells something. Unless there are consequences for false/positives, these types of searches are some of the most abused search techniques in law enforcement.
I think if they had been complete a-holes, I might have taken some action.
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2014, 18:24
I think if they had been complete a-holes, I might have taken some action.
They searched your vehicle based on a dog's belief there were drugs . While dogs do have a good track record. Why the hell you allowed them to do anything without a warrant, is confusing.
The only a-h i'm seeing iis you consenting to a search, AND OFFERING TO ASSIST. [fail]
Yo man you forgot the tail lights.
I know you're a newer member, but anyone else mention you can refuse a search? Get out of the car and lock your keys in it, if it's an older vehicle, walk to curb or off shoulder and sit down.
The nice thing about growing older is gaining perspective, and knowing which battles to fight and those to avoid.
But having the dog and handler decertified is not retaliation. When trained dogs are misused they become like any other tool that is misused. People lose confidence in the animal, and it is not the animal's fault.
My response was not just for you, it was for anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation. Do not argue with the police. The police do not need any reason to walk a dog around your car as long as the stop was legitimate. If the dog is hitting on something that isn't there, then the dog has an issue, or the handler has an issue. Handlers need to know when their dog is working and when their dog is not working. If the handler gets into the bad habit of misusing their partner, then the handler needs to be dealt with.
Just my $.02.
Be safe.
RonMexico
02-03-2015, 08:07
Small bump.
Penske advised me to stop at the first port of entry leaving Colorado. Would you all stop or keep driving? I've looked into it a little; Can my gf and I carry handguns in our cars on our way to the East coast?
I understand I can't drive into DC with firearms but are there any states to avoid?
Thanks for for the help.
Great-Kazoo
02-03-2015, 08:43
Small bump.
Penske advised me to stop at the first port of entry leaving Colorado. Would you all stop or keep driving? I've looked into it a little; Can my gf and I carry handguns in our cars on our way to the East coast?
I understand I can't drive into DC with firearms but are there any states to avoid?
Thanks for for the help.
Once out of / not in states that have reciprocity with CO they must be in a locked container. Search the CA thread to see what we did. You're GTG. The traveling in a commercial vehical / truck with hand gun,ICC prohibits it. HOWEVER once through the port of call i'd put it back in OR old reliable a shot gun.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/145739-Firearm-in-car-and-houseboat-in-California?p=1834593#post1834593
With CO CCWs, I40 should be a good route through reciprocating states all the way to NC.
Safe travels. Keep the goats and pigs alive!
Small bump.
Penske advised me to stop at the first port of entry leaving Colorado. Would you all stop or keep driving? I've looked into it a little; Can my gf and I carry handguns in our cars on our way to the East coast?
I understand I can't drive into DC with firearms but are there any states to avoid?
Thanks for for the help.
Its the law technically but the port of entry guys get pissed when moving trucks pull in
Great-Kazoo
02-03-2015, 09:31
With CO CCWs, I40 should be a good route through reciprocating states all the way to NC.
Safe travels. Keep the goats and pigs alive!
Crappy way to get out of breakfast @ Pete's
Crappy way to get out of breakfast @ Pete's
When are we eating at Pete's? [Dinner]
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