View Full Version : Imminent Terrorist Attack Warning By Feds on US Border
SuperiorDG
08-29-2014, 15:41
Here we go. I was wondering when, not if, this would happen.
Islamic terrorist groups are operating in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and planning to attack the United States with car bombs or other vehicle born improvised explosive devices (VBIED). High-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources have confirmed to Judicial Watch that a warning bulletin for an imminent terrorist attack on the border has been issued. Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat. Specifically, Judicial Watch sources reveal that the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) is confirmed to now be operating in Juarez, a famously crime-infested narcotics hotbed situated across from El Paso, Texas. Violent crimes are so rampant in Juarez that the U.S. State Department has issued a number of travel warnings for anyone planning to go there. The last one was issued just a few days ago.
Intelligence officials have picked up radio talk and chatter indicating that the terrorist groups are going to “carry out an attack on the border,” according to one JW source. “It’s coming very soon,” according to this high-level source, who clearly identified the groups planning the plots as “ISIS and Al Qaeda.” An attack is so imminent that the commanding general at Ft. Bliss, the U.S. Army post in El Paso, is being briefed, another source confirms. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) did not respond to multiple inquiries from Judicial Watch, both telephonic and in writing, about this information.
The disturbing inside intelligence comes on the heels of news reports revealing that U.S. intelligence has picked up increased chatter among Islamist terror networks approaching the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. While these terrorists reportedly plan their attack just outside the U.S., President Obama admits that “we don’t have a strategy yet” to combat ISIS. “I don’t want to put the cart before the horse,” the commander-in-chief said this week during a White House press briefing. “I think what I’ve seen in some of the news reports suggest that folks are getting a little further ahead of what we’re at than what we currently are.”
The administration has also covered up, or at the very least downplayed, a serious epidemic of crime along the Mexican border even as heavily armed drug cartels have taken over portions of the region. Judicial Watch has reported that the U.S. Border Patrol actually ordered officers to avoid the most crime-infested stretches because they’re “too dangerous” and patrolling them could result in an “international incident” of cross border shooting. In the meantime, who could forget the famous words of Obama’s first Homeland Security Secretary, Janet Napolitano; the southern border is “as secure as it has ever been.”
These new revelations are bound to impact the current debate about the border crisis and immigration policy.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/imminent-terrorist-attack-warning-feds-us-border/
newracer
08-29-2014, 15:50
Maybe just maybe if an attack happens the Feds will finally secure the boarder.
Bailey Guns
08-29-2014, 15:55
Never happen. The administration has already said there is no specific, credible threat to the US mainland.
Now, I wonder what the Kardashians are doing this weekend?
Never happen. The administration has already said there is no specific, credible threat to the US mainland.
Now, I wonder what the Kardashians are doing this weekend?
Getting bombed. [ROFL2]
RblDiver
08-29-2014, 15:59
Maybe if we told Mexico and the rest of South America "If we get attacked, we'll forbid any more border crossings and kick all the illegals out," they'd be panicked enough to take care of the threat for us.
(I can dream, can't I? :P)
beast556
08-29-2014, 16:03
Just a matter Of time, any one who didnt see this coming is an idiot.
Why would they "attack the border"?
If I was them, I would go further inland.
Why would they "attack the border"?
If I was them, I would go further inland.
I'd count on that.
Lock and load ladies and gentlemen.
You liberals can call Obama for help.
SuperiorDG
08-29-2014, 16:06
I can't believe the cartels would allow the attention of an attack from their territory/turf.
Bailey Guns
08-29-2014, 16:08
Why would they "attack the border"?
If I was them, I would go further inland.
48979
I can think of lots of reasons.
If you get a chance, and haven't already done so, watch the show "The Bridge". It's a fictionalized series about drugs, murder, and other nasty stuff. Seems realistic, given the current situation.
SuperiorDG
08-29-2014, 16:14
Another report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/29/online-posts-show-isis-eyeing-mexican-border-says-law-enforcment-bulletin/
68Charger
08-29-2014, 16:15
Getting bombed. [ROFL2]
ooh, a double entendre, nicely done!
I read another report that the Air Force Academy was named a target amongst other things like Vegas casinos, Central station, etc.
68Charger
08-29-2014, 16:18
Why would they "attack the border"?
If I was them, I would go further inland.
my guess is this is what they hope for, but if discovered, they'll detonate at the border checkpoint.
68Charger
08-29-2014, 16:23
the U.S., President Obama admits that “we don’t have a strategy yet” to combat ISIS. “I don’t want to put the cart before the horse,” the commander-in-chief said this week during a White House press briefing. “I think what I’ve seen in some of the news reports suggest that folks are getting a little further ahead of what we’re at than what we currently are.”
WTF says this publicly? If there was some kind of clever bluff at work, but I seriously doubt that with this inept administration... dumbass
The report also says that “because of the individualized nature of the radicalization process—it is difficult to predict triggers that will contribute to [homegrown violent extremists] attempting acts of violence…lone offenders present law enforcement with limited opportunities to detect and disrupt plots, which frequently involve simple plotting against targets of opportunity.”
And in the FOX story, this is disturbing... read as "we can target anyone we want for reasons we don't have to disclose"
68Charger
08-29-2014, 16:25
I can't believe the cartels would allow the attention of an attack from their territory/turf.
This would only apply if they were buying access to the cartel tunnels... ISIS may have enough money to get their attention.
Shouldn't be too hard to get the explosives across. Just hide them with some drugs so nobody will find them.
Although, this might just be a clever diversion. Maybe while they are putting extra effort into checking the vehicles, they will just walk across the border.
http://kdvr.com/2014/08/29/air-force-academy-is-named-as-possible-terror-attack-target/
Great-Kazoo
08-29-2014, 16:52
Shouldn't be too hard to get the explosives across. Just hide them with some drugs so nobody will find them.
Although, this might just be a clever diversion. Maybe while they are putting extra effort into checking the vehicles, they will just walk across the border.
anyone with basic math can build one at home. no need to smuggle anything across the border.
68Charger
08-29-2014, 16:56
anyone with basic math can build one at home. no need to smuggle anything across the border.
pretty sure you made their list, Jim... you've demonstrated you're capable, and that makes you dangerous... [panic]
Oh, and I think you mixed math with chemistry... [facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
08-29-2014, 16:58
I can't believe the cartels would allow the attention of an attack from their territory/turf.
they are at war with each other, beheading opposing team mates, killing .gov employees, local LE's etc. They could give a shit what draws attention to them.
If you get a chance, and haven't already done so, watch the show "The Bridge". It's a fictionalized series about drugs, murder, and other nasty stuff. Seems realistic, given the current situation.
pretty good show. I equate The Bridge to True Detective (HBO) only with commercials and some less nudity. Both shows depict southern towns, as they are. Having been in N.O it's one place i'd never go back to. If my route took me through there, i'd go way out of my way to avoid it.
El Paso?? Like any border town the corrupt money flowing through there, no one's safe, if they tend to walk that line.
This would only apply if they were buying access to the cartel tunnels... ISIS may have enough money to get their attention.
ISIS is well funded, from various sources, Russia, possibly China, AND very well off middle eastern families who play both sides of the fence. With more cash to anyone who is against the infidel.
Aloha_Shooter
08-29-2014, 17:05
Maybe just maybe if an attack happens the Feds will finally secure the boarder.
Holder will place a higher priority on identifying and prosecuting the agents who confirmed this to Judicial Watch.
Shouldn't be too hard to get the explosives across. Just hide them with some drugs so nobody will find them.
Although, this might just be a clever diversion. Maybe while they are putting extra effort into checking the vehicles, they will just walk across the border.
I suspect much of what they plan is already in place here.
Never happen. The administration has already said there is no specific, credible threat to the US mainland.
Now, I wonder who the Kardashians are doing this weekend?
FIFY
I have a 2 word solution for the cartel tunnels, but no US official has the balls...
Thermobaric Explosives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon)
HoneyBadger
08-29-2014, 17:29
I read another report that the Air Force Academy was named a target amongst other things like Vegas casinos, Central station, etc.
USAFA a target? Lame. It's parents weekend this weekend, so all the cadets parents and families are in town.
Great-Kazoo
08-29-2014, 17:32
WAIT ONE SEC EVERYONE. It just dawned on me [facepalm] Does anyone really believe a JV terrorist org (as his O'ness described them) is capable of doing anything?
2-3 weeks ago he was brushing them off as a 3rd rate group with guns. As posted before why worry, We have no strategy to deal with them, FUKIN IDIOT. He was well dressed in lighter colors for the last chat.
I hear they're calling that suit The Old Navy IMPEACHMENT Collection.
Madeinhb
08-29-2014, 17:33
I have a 2 word solution for the cartel tunnels, but no US official has the balls...
Thermobaric Explosives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon)
I second this.
I have a 2 word solution for the cartel tunnels, but no US official has the balls...
Thermobaric Explosives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon)
"There are many different types of thermobaric weapons rounds that can be fitted to hand-held launchers."
there are many like it, but this one is mine...
I was thinking simpler...seal our end of the tunnel, pump in a large quantity of unscented natural gas and O2, and ignite. We'll be able to find the Mexican end of the tunnel rather easily at that point.
Border? What's a border? I looked up the definition of "border (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/border)" and that cleared it up a bit. It's the ornamental decoration at the edge of the 'Welcome' mat. Now I get it.
DavieD55
08-29-2014, 19:42
Maybe just maybe if an attack happens the Feds will finally secure the boarder.Doubt it. They would more than likely respond by securing Americans Constitutional rights from them first with a bigger stronger ndaa #2 or a patriot act #2 for the safety of NS. Securing the border and doing what is right isn't in their interests.
I read another report that the Air Force Academy was named a target amongst other things like Vegas casinos, Central station, etc.
Well, the Springs was a major target for our Soviet friends back in the 70's and 80's... that whole area is still a significant military target (Peterson, Carson, Shreiver, and not to mention NORAD). But I doubt that they'd really have the gall or capability to do any sort of conventional attack... watch for VBIEDs, SVBIEDs, and the ever famous ABIED (that's Aircraft Borne IED- see: 9/11) though. Even without the cartel tunnels, the border is so porous that they can't even tell who and how many are sneaking across daily.
speedysst
08-30-2014, 07:30
It could be an even simpler attack. After reading Clancy's Teeth of the Tiger it raised some interesting possibilities.
HoneyBadger
08-30-2014, 08:22
It could be an even simpler attack. After reading Clancy's Teeth of the Tiger it raised some interesting possibilities.
Indeed. Everyone in the world knows that a ground assault on American soil would fail because we would suddenly have a well-armed and angry army of at least 50 million (20 million of those are combat vets). Even ISIS isn't that stupid. They will force a police state with well-placed terrorist attacks, and then control us from within the Gov which they have already successfully infiltrated.
Great-Kazoo
08-30-2014, 08:49
Indeed. Everyone in the world knows that a ground assault on American soil would fail because we would suddenly have a well-armed and angry army of at least 50 million (20 million of those are combat vets). Even ISIS isn't that stupid. They will force a police state with well-placed terrorist attacks, and then control us from within the Gov which they have already successfully infiltrated.
Untrue.
you control the infrastructure = poison water supply, destroy a few food distribution warehouses, take out the refinery in communist city. An opposing team could control the front range before 1/2 doz board members could get their shit together. Especially if it was done between 2 & 5 in the a.m OR for maximum effect, do it 20-30 minutes in to rush hour.
Don't kid yourself, because America is well armed, doesn't mean shit if there's no one watching the gate, when needed.
Aloha_Shooter
08-30-2014, 12:07
Untrue.
you control the infrastructure = poison water supply, destroy a few food distribution warehouses, take out the refinery in communist city. An opposing team could control the front range before 1/2 doz board members could get their shit together. Especially if it was done between 2 & 5 in the a.m OR for maximum effect, do it 20-30 minutes in to rush hour.
Don't kid yourself, because America is well armed, doesn't mean shit if there's no one watching the gate, when needed.
The water supply and the potential for friendly fire are the biggest issues IMO. You have enough preppers on this board alone that food won't be an issue for some of the defenders. Others of us aren't preppers but are well-prepared and ISIS isn't a Spetsnaz brigade. The most ISIS could so is cause panic, more so in Denver than C Springs. Open assault in the US would be sheer stupidity even with the sheeple and gun control idiots around. Maybe not so much in 20-40 years if Feinstein and Obama have their way but right now we still have the elements Yamamoto feared 75 years ago.
Zundfolge
08-30-2014, 12:24
I was thinking simpler...seal our end of the tunnel, pump in a large quantity of unscented natural gas and O2, and ignite. We'll be able to find the Mexican end of the tunnel rather easily at that point.
Did that make anyone else think of this? http://www.rodenator.com/ [ROFL1]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgztUzqaL3E
They will force a police state with well-placed terrorist attacks, and then control us from within the Gov which they have already successfully infiltrated.
I suspect THIS is the plan ... and I still contend that the Obama Administration are already allies of ISIS which is why we haven't seen any serious move to stop them.
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
--Barack H Obama, page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope”.
Zundfolge
08-30-2014, 12:47
Well, the Springs was a major target for our Soviet friends back in the 70's and 80's... that whole area is still a significant military target (Peterson, Carson, Shreiver, and not to mention NORAD). But I doubt that they'd really have the gall or capability to do any sort of conventional attack... watch for VBIEDs, SVBIEDs, and the ever famous ABIED (that's Aircraft Borne IED- see: 9/11) though. Even without the cartel tunnels, the border is so porous that they can't even tell who and how many are sneaking across daily.
That also doesn't go in line with their goals. They don't want to defeat us militarily because they know they can't even scratch the surface. They don't tend to think strategically/tactically anyway, this is a political campaign not a military one. They want to cause fear, panic and economic damage (and use those results to move US policy in their favor). That's why they knocked down the twin towers.
I'm going to look like an asshole for saying this, but in general a terrorist strike by ISIS on US soil is most likely going to help "our side" more than anything else. For several reasons:
Its most likely going to be an attack in a coastal, leftist controlled city (NYC, Boston, DC, LA, maybe Chicago) and that will cause even more leftists to leave the left just like 9/11 did (I can think of a dozen prominent leftist celebs that are now on our side because of 9/11).
Any attack on US soil is going to damage Obama politically, especially with all the Democrats that are having second thoughts about him now.
Any clamping down on civil/constitutional rights after such an attack will only double the effect of #2.
If the attacks kill people in government, if I'm right about point #1 the lion's share of them will be Democrats (maybe they'll get Big O in DC?).
If there's even the slightest chance that the ISIS thugs came across the southern border then the debate over immigration and securing the border will be over ... nothing may get done (like usual) but the consensus will be with the right on this one.
An attack on US Soil (I refuse to use the fascist term "homeland") will wake up more fence sitters and liberals that think Islam is not a threat and it will cause more of these people to buy guns thus strengthening the pro-gun ranks and hastening the reversal of recent gun laws here and in other states.
All that said I want to be clear, I DO NOT want an attack on US soil or on US assets abroad EVER AGAIN. But if (when) they happen I want to be realistic about their effects.
Aloha_Shooter
08-30-2014, 13:20
Zund --
Yep and all those reasons are precisely why Obama wants it to just go away and I only half-facetiously suggested Holder would spend more effort trying to track down the guys who leaked this assessment to the press than in actually trying to do anything about ISIS. Over there, ISIS is an "army" -- here, they'd be a well-financed, moderately well-armed punk-ass gang, emphasis on the "punk". We've got more well-trained vets now living in the general populace than they have in their "army" and that's without them trying to get from the Mid-East to here.
The border is leaky and needs to be fixed but I'm not losing any sleep over ISIS.
Great-Kazoo
08-30-2014, 13:53
Zund --
Yep and all those reasons are precisely why Obama wants it to just go away and I only half-facetiously suggested Holder would spend more effort trying to track down the guys who leaked this assessment to the press than in actually trying to do anything about ISIS. Over there, ISIS is an "army" -- here, they'd be a well-financed, moderately well-armed punk-ass gang, emphasis on the "punk". We've got more well-trained vets now living in the general populace than they have in their "army" and that's without them trying to get from the Mid-East to here.
The border is leaky and needs to be fixed but I'm not losing any sleep over ISIS.
Does anyone believe that, ISIS WE'RE ALREADY HERE placard in front of the white house was done by some OWS freeloader?
If you look at the punk ass gangs in America, La, FRESNO, NY, DETROIT they're given a moderately wide berth by LE. Everyone is discounting the effectiveness and how prepared ISIS really is. This isn't some wanna be gang bangers. They are well organized AND ready to do what the feel is necessary to rid the planet of the infidel. How many years was training/ planning done before the twin towers attacks?
Did that make anyone else think of this? http://www.rodenator.com/ [ROFL1]
Yes.
How many years was training/ planning done before the twin towers attacks?
The first attack was in 1993. Destroying the infidel goes back to the foundation of Islam. This isn't anything new.
Found this; United States Border Patrol --> https://www.facebook.com/topic/United-States-Border-Patrol/109288739088813
[MOD: For those of you getting "page not found", try the unabbreviated link "https://www.facebook.com/topic/United-States-Border-Patrol/109288739088813"]
GilpinGuy
09-07-2014, 09:28
Found this; United States Border Patrol --> https://www.facebook.com/topic/United-States-Border-Patrol/109288739088813
I got "page not found".
I got "page not found".
I just clicked the link and it opened right up for me.
Guess a few preloaded mags in the safe might be a good idea for the next few weeks.
DireWolf
09-07-2014, 12:25
No workie for me either.
I needed to enable desktop view for it to come up (mobile page looks broken)
HoneyBadger
09-07-2014, 13:25
Guess a few preloaded mags in the safe might be a good idea for the next few weeks.
When ever was this NOT a good idea? [Awesom]
Whistler
09-07-2014, 14:27
The boys around here are locked and loaded, you'd think they'd pick California or even New Mexico... well come on then, let's get this done.
Problem is they are cowards, won't fight they'll strap bombs to women and children but they can't hide forever.
HoneyBadger
09-07-2014, 14:41
Problem is they are cowards, won't fight they'll strap bombs to women and children but they can't hide forever.
Exactly.
Great-Kazoo
09-07-2014, 14:46
The boys around here are locked and loaded, you'd think they'd pick California or even New Mexico... well come on then, let's get this done.
Problem is they are cowards, won't fight they'll strap bombs to women and children but they can't hide forever.
Couple guys with Allah Approved beards, AK 47 or 74's and the random RPK should be a give away. I think they will utilize cartel cannon fodder as much as possible.
HoneyBadger
09-07-2014, 14:46
Edit: ...Don't want to stir that dead horse back alive.
Great-Kazoo
09-07-2014, 14:51
Obviously keeping them close at hand is wise if you intend to use them. If they are out of reach when you need them, then you are SOL.
i deleted my post due to some rambling. However, no one ever intends to use them, or any gun. It's that piece of insurance you have close at hand, be it work (as permitted) vehicle, and home.
Any more rambling will move the terrorist threat OT, in to subject matter that's been discussed , a few times.
wctriumph
09-07-2014, 15:07
When the enemy attacks us on our soil and the current government shows a weak response, and they will, the enemy will become bolder and expand random attacks into most areas of the country. Fertilizer bombs, pipe bombs, attacks with firearms at malls, schools, etc, driving cars and trucks into high count pedestrian areas will happen all over. What will our response be? By that, I mean what will the civilian response be? What should our response be? A lot to consider as there are many thing that will happen beyond our control.
SuperiorDG
09-07-2014, 15:14
When the enemy attacks us on our soil and the current government shows a weak response, and they will, the enemy will become bolder and expand random attacks into most areas of the country. Fertilizer bombs, pipe bombs, attacks with firearms at malls, schools, etc, driving cars and trucks into high count pedestrian areas will happen all over. What will our response be? By that, I mean what will the civilian response be? What should our response be? A lot to consider as there are many thing that will happen beyond our control.
The government will just milterizes the police. . .Oh never mind.
stoner01
09-07-2014, 15:15
Guess a few preloaded mags in the truck might be a good idea for the next few weeks.
Fify
Fify
I was under the impression that we could no longer procure pre-loaded mags in the wonderful (left-leaning) state of Colorado? :D
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brokenscout
09-07-2014, 15:37
I was under the impression that we could no longer procure pre-loaded mags in the wonderful (left-leaning) state of Colorado? :D
Sent via Mobile Work Avoidance Device
I am curious also
Great-Kazoo
09-07-2014, 16:11
The government will just milterizes the police. . .Oh never mind.
Actually CLEO can deputize the local populace, as needed. I believe this town can be shut down to outside ground travel, within an hour. Depending how good the lines of communication are.
stoner01
09-07-2014, 16:23
Actually CLEO can deputize the local populace, as needed. I believe this town can be shut down to outside ground travel, within an hour. Depending how good the lines of communication are.
It's easy when you know the choke points
Great-Kazoo
09-07-2014, 16:37
It's easy when you know the choke points
4 roads in & out of town, 4 bridges, lots of train track. Lots of train cars and locomotives. A lot of gun friendly residents, a lot. Caveat Raghead.
Mick-Boy
09-07-2014, 19:15
Just think about the fun that type of response would mean for the logistics into major metropolitan areas.
A terror attack on US soil doesn't concern me greatly. The Government response after the fact does.
HoneyBadger
09-07-2014, 20:32
Just think about the fun that type of response would mean for the logistics into major metropolitan areas.
A terror attack on US soil doesn't concern me greatly. The Government response after the fact does.
Case in point: Hurricane Katrina Response.
BushMasterBoy
09-07-2014, 20:48
Why would they "attack the border"?
If I was them, I would go further inland.
I think Ray is right. My educated guess is the the target is this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station
108 miles across the Sonoran Desert to the border. Or 482 miles to Bliss.
Does anyone believe as I do that any attack within this country would cause the anti gunners to stop or even reverse some ground they have gained toward disarming Americans. It seems that should any outside entity invade us, even the uninformed could see the light and find a possible reason to arm themselves.
Does anyone believe as I do that any attack within this country would cause the anti gunners to stop or even reverse some ground they have gained toward disarming Americans. It seems that should any outside entity invade us, even the uninformed could see the light and find a possible reason to arm themselves.
It might change the minds of some fence sitters about arming themselves but the anti gunners would say something akin to guns are illegal in Mexico so they must have bought them here so we need to ban all guns to keep the children safe. Your logic works great when it comes to logical people, anti gunners are anything but that.
Does anyone believe as I do that any attack within this country would cause the anti gunners to stop or even reverse some ground they have gained toward disarming Americans. It seems that should any outside entity invade us, even the uninformed could see the light and find a possible reason to arm themselves.
No, because regular people aren't equipped to deal with terrorists. That's what they'll say.
DireWolf
09-08-2014, 01:38
No, because regular people aren't equipped to deal with terrorists. That's what they'll say.
I just finished reading "Day Of Wrath" (short book, got through it in a few hours) - they should make a short movie based on that and have free showings across the country, as well as free distribution of the book as widely as possible (obviously the author should be compensated), since maybe that would help wake up the idiots who are only slightly more aware and in tune with reality than the zombies from TWD...
Bailey Guns
09-08-2014, 07:07
Case in point: Hurricane Katrina Response.
Luckily for those people in LA the gov't authorities confiscated all those dangerous guns in the hands of commoners. Imagine the chaos that would've ensued if they hadn't. The streets would've been flooded with the blood of innocent looters and thugs instead of water.
[Coffee]
Does anyone believe as I do that any attack within this country would cause the anti gunners to stop or even reverse some ground they have gained toward disarming Americans. It seems that should any outside entity invade us, even the uninformed could see the light and find a possible reason to arm themselves.
No...because most leftist anti-gun types are also hard-core pacifists who will try to appease rather than fight. It's the "just give them what they want and they won't hurt us" attitude. I don't think in general (a few maybe...but they would be the exception) they would be swayed to take up arms at all or that those who had taken up arms were doing the right thing.
HoneyBadger
09-08-2014, 07:22
No, because regular people aren't equipped to deal with terrorists. That's what they'll say.
Exactly. You can't expect a bunch of untrained rednecks and hillbillies to fight off bad guys...
Zundfolge
09-08-2014, 09:11
Does anyone believe as I do that any attack within this country would cause the anti gunners to stop or even reverse some ground they have gained toward disarming Americans. It seems that should any outside entity invade us, even the uninformed could see the light and find a possible reason to arm themselves.
Nope. If we end up with a series of coordinated mass shootings by ISIS (or other outside faction) it will put the antis into overdrive, move most of the fence sitters to their position and probably erase the gains we've made in the last couple of decades to worse than they were under the Clinton AWB.
See, from a logistical standpoint it makes more sense to have thousands (or more) of your "law abiding" Muslim cousins that already live here legally purchase guns at gun shops and deposit them in the basement of the local Mosque than it would to have your ISIS infiltrators sneak across the border with cases of battle-field fresh Kalashnikovs.
You'll see legally purchased semi-auto "assault rifles" used almost exclusively and the argument will no longer be "we must keep the occasional lone nutter from getting his hands on these" to "NOBODY can be trusted with them because we can't simply ban Muslims from buying them". The whole "we must get weapons of war off our streets" will take on a whole new meaning when we're literally talking about a foreign standing army inside the US arming themselves with gun store bought sporting rifles.
I believe that for the most part, the average American will choose the illusion of security over their own liberty.
Add to that the fact that our society is already so balkanized and fractured, when the jack boot of DC comes down in response I wouldn't be surprised if it sparked civil war. And frankly knowing this administration I would not at all be surprised if I found out that that was the plan all along.
So while on the one hand I can see how an ISIS terrorist attack might wake a few Americans up on issues of border security and gun rights, the downside is that it could also empower the statists and end up triggering a conflagration that none of us want to think of.
I just finished reading "Day Of Wrath" (short book, got through it in a few hours) - they should make a short movie based on that and have free showings across the country, as well as free distribution of the book as widely as possible (obviously the author should be compensated), since maybe that would help wake up the idiots who are only slightly more aware and in tune with reality than the zombies from TWD...
Looks good; I'm going to read it on the way to San Francisco today.
Zundfolge
09-08-2014, 11:16
Looks good; I'm going to read it on the way to San Francisco today.
Hope you're not going to be in SF on Thursday ... I'd stay away from any major metropolitan area on Thursday.
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