I am a bit stuck and could use some help

[tmleadr03]

I slid off the trail a bit and am working to right the mess I am in. Clearly took the wrong trail.

Thankfully I have signal right?

I am currently here: http://maps.google.com/?q=39.67856,-105.71427

I am continuing to try to get myself out. If you want to come help and make fun of me please do.

Eta: Cell is two four zero, two seven four, four eight three one.

[blackford76]

PM sent

[tmleadr03]

PM sent

Thank you! Looks like help is on the way.

[Double00]

Awesome. Great people in this community!

[Great-Kazoo]

Awesome. Great people in this community!

he hasn't received the bill yet ;)

[Ah Pook]

he hasn't received the bill yet ;)
BOHICA? [LOL]

[Bailey Guns]

Blackford said he was on the way with a few mountain boys...they just needed to stop and get a banjo.

[TFOGGER]

Blackford said he was on the way with a few mountain boys...they just needed to stop and get a banjo.

...and lard, en lieu of KY Jelly...

[Bailey Guns]

Bacon grease...

[sabot_round]

he hasn't received the bill yet ;)


BOHICA? [LOL]


Blackford said he was on the way with a few mountain boys...they just needed to stop and get a banjo.


...and lard, en lieu of KY Jelly...


Bacon grease...

You guys are ruthless!!

[DD977GM2]

Did TMLDR make it back from the banjofest?

[sabot_round]

tmleadr03, are you outta there, or do you still need help?

[DD977GM2]

tmleadr03, are you outta there, or do you still need help?

Just talked to him he is doing alright, he can see the lights of the rescue party and prob be out of there in an hour.

[sabot_round]

Just talked to him he is doing alright, he can see the lights of the rescue party and prob be out of there in an hour.

Thanks for the update!!

[islandermyk]

I slid off the trail a bit and am working to right the mess I am in. Clearly took the wrong trail.

Thankfully I have signal right?

I am currently here: http://maps.google.com/?q=39.67856,-105.71427

I am continuing to try to get myself out. If you want to come help and make fun of me please do.

Eta: Cell is two four zero, two seven four, four eight three one.

I've been on that trail and got lost too [Coffee]... some time 2 weeks ago. Going to Argentina Pass.
Hope you got out okay. I'm still available if you need the help.

[Great-Kazoo]

I've been on that trail and got lost too [Coffee]... some time 2 weeks ago. Going to Argentina Pass.
Hope you got out okay. I'm still available if you need the help.


your jeep goes off paved roads ?

[Ridge]

Just talked to him he is doing alright, he can see the lights of the rescue party and prob be out of there in an hour.

I'm talking with him right now and he says that he and blackford lost contact with each other over an hour ago and he's still stuck out there.

[stoner01]

your jeep goes off paved roads ?

ZIIIIINGGGGG

[DD977GM2]

I'm talking with him right now and he says that he and blackford lost contact with each other over an hour ago and he's still stuck out there.

When I talked to him he said he could see the lights and yes I was also told the lost comms with Blackford.

If by some unforseen issues, he is prepared for a night out there. He can start vehicle for warmth etc without movement, but he should be down shortly in professional opinion.

[tmleadr03]

Quick update. Still here. Intermitant comm with rescue party. They THINK they know what trail i am on.

[tmleadr03]

Oh. And the fog is rolling in now.

Ta: i love mountain weather. Cleared up already. Still no sign of anyone.

[Ridge]

He told me earlier he could hear traffic from a nearby highway, but that it was too far for him and his daughter to travel over rough terrain on foot.

[henpecked]

Im sure i dont have to say...Do not leave your vehical, stay put

[tmleadr03]

Oh lord no. Not after dark. We are either hitching a ride or sleeping here tonight. During the day no problem, well some problem. The munchkin isnt much for a few mile forced march.

[tmleadr03]

Though really they dont want to come this far down the rrail and have to back up again. 200 ft at least till you can turn around. In the dark.

[DD977GM2]

Give me the go and Ill head your way if need be.

[Double00]

Is anyone on the way?

[Ridge]

blackford is still out there, and Islandermyk is inbound as well.

[hurley842002]

Sounds like you may be covered? If not I can head up there tomorrow...

[DFBrews]

I am available if needed too I have a ham radio too if anyone needs it

[ColoWyo]

I can help in the AM. I'd get a DUI if I tried to drive up there now.

[Irving]

This is stressing me out. My POS Amigo is down right now, or I'd be on the way up as well.

[HoneyBadger]

Try honking your horn? Do you have a rescue whistle? Flashlight? Strobe? etc?

I kinda feel helpless, being so far away...

[kawiracer14]

Let me know if you still need help. I have far more lights than I ever need to use. No winch but have recovery strap, shovel, hi-lift, etc.

[Great-Kazoo]

Try honking your horn? Do you have a rescue whistle? Flashlight? Strobe? etc?

I kinda feel helpless, being so far away...

One more item to add to vehicle bag. Even those snap & glow sticks. Hell even a laser pointer, for marking.

[sniper7]

I can come up early am as well. I'm sure black ford will have you out of there in no time though

[redneck122]

I'm pretty far north, but i can head down there to help whenever as well.

[tmleadr03]

Every once and a while blackford gets signal. I just had comm with him and he thinks they are close.

[DireWolf]

Sucks that I can't make it up tonight since I know that area pretty well, but I'll be back tomorrow morning and can head up if needed.

Maybe if blackford can provide coordinates we can help him get guided in...

[tmleadr03]

39.67869,-105.71424

[redneck122]

If there is someone else that knows that area well, i can drive down that way

[tmleadr03]

39.67869,-105.71424

Those are mine. Not certain on blackford.

[DireWolf]

If there is someone else that knows that area well, i can drive down that way
I know the area and trails there pretty well, and am pretty sure I know exactly where the wrong turn was made based on the coordinates provided (and can plot the path in to that location on a map), but am travelling and won't get back until tomorrow late morning....

[DD977GM2]

I know the area well if anyone heads up tonight, My wife is using my truck at moment so Im tits up on wheels but I can be navigator.

[redneck122]

I know the area well if anyone heads up tonight, My wife is using my truck at moment so Im tits up on wheels but I can be navigator.
I can drive as long as a stock Ram 4x4 can make it.

Do you need us to come Tmleader?

[DD977GM2]

I can drive as long as a stock Ram 4x4 can make it.

Do you need us to come Tmleader?

Do you have all terrain tires or OEM? stock will make it no prob as long as decent tires.

[redneck122]

All terrains. Sounds like me and Gabe can come if you need the help Tmleader

[DireWolf]

Let me know if I can help with a map route if needed....

[Irving]

We need positive results on Operation FJ Rescue, gentlemen.

[DD977GM2]

We need positive results on Operation FJ Rescue Gentlemen.

You mean Operation Forget Gear???

[Bailey Guns]

I checked in with him earlier when Rob was still enroute. I'd head that way now but I don't know the area over there at all and I don't really have any gear to be helpful.

[Irving]

You can make a winch out of rope and logs, but I doubt Chris is wanting to sit around and watch Youtube videos about it.

[rockhound]

tmleader,

I just saw this post, i do have equipment and gear, running a full size rig though. can i get in there with my 3/4 long bed, i do have lockers and recovery gear. did you come in off the georgetown sideor off 352? i pulled the sat photos of your position,

[DD977GM2]

You can make a winch out of rope and logs, but I doubt Chris is wanting to sit around and watch Youtube videos about it.

Tie onto vehicle, then tie other end off to a solid anchor. Take large log like a 4-8 in diameter and 5' long and pul in middle of the rope and twist to create tension and a full turn should move truck about an inch once tight. Sucks if your by yourself and you let go of the log.

[rockhound]

carl,

i am willing to go in and get him although it would be stupid to go in by myself at night,, up for a road trip? I am fairly certain we can get him out or at least get close enough to give him a ride home... i know the area fairly well, i can see the trail he is on on sat

[tmleadr03]

tmleader,

I just saw this post, i do have equipment and gear, running a full size rig though. can i get in there with my 3/4 long bed, i do have lockers and recovery gear. did you come in off the georgetown sideor off 352? i pulled the sat photos of your position,

They are here.

[rockhound]

that's cool... if they cant get you out i have a fully equipped setup, happy to go back in with you tomorrow and get her out, used to spend my life on the trail, i have lots of experience,

will have a new dedicated trail rig out of the shop this next month or two, would love to do a little wheeling again...

[theGinsue]

Sitting at work right now watching all of this excitement. Glad to hear that you're rescuers have arrived. Holler if you need anything else.

[DireWolf]

Glad to hear they found you....betting it's cold as hell up there right now.

Let me know if another set of hands are needed tomorrow afternoon....

[Irving]

Give your little girl an ice cream tomorrow.

[islandermyk]

Waiting for you guys at the gas station[Flower]

[Great-Kazoo]

First off very happy to know, you're on your way down.
Things to take away from this adventure
1) a lot of folks stepped up to the plate

2) fortunately there were a lot of people heading out or going to, once they heard from tmldr

3) IF something like this were to repeat itself. A better line of communication is needed

4) pick a main point of contact. This person is fielding calls, directing traffic so to speak.

5) Designated point person. They are main vehicle going to downed board member, or members. Having a few vehicles is ideal. But having multiple vehicles getting lost, there would be 1/2 the board looking for the other half, at night.

6) Backups in play . If designated isn't familiar with area / terrain, backups assist getting them to needed area and back. I reference backups in case point person is the closest OR ready to go. Even though they are not that familiar with area.
In an ideal situation, the person running point knows the area, blindfolded. But as with all things, one works with the tools on hand.

I am putting out ideas which I'm sure after reading later will be, What the hell is this gibberish? It's random thoughts put together . That everyone is more than welcome to critique, condemn as nonsense, make changes to major, minor or shitcan and start from scratch.

If anyone feels I'm out of line, putting out suggestions, by all means LMK either on or off the board.

Everyone have a safe rest of the night.

[islandermyk]

What Jim said... one problem is i don't know who's cb wasn't working. Texting was good for some time till I completely lost signal. Roaming the trails in the dark with a handful of forks on the road added more difficulty in this challenge. I came out as a back up.

[Great-Kazoo]

What Jim said... one problem is i don't know who's cb wasn't working. Texting was good for some time till I completely lost signal. Roaming the trails in the dark with a handful of forks on the road added more difficulty in this challenge. I came out as a back up.

Thanks for the idea Mike.
Glow sticks to mark trail. Color coded, this way other drivers know which way they went.
Is everyone on cb, cell phone (texting or talking) walkie talkies, etc.common communication device for contact.

[islandermyk]

I went with cb. Was messaged to be on channel 4, but no replies after several transmitting attempts.

[DireWolf]

I need to pick up a CB for my ride....was also thinking maybe one of those handheld radios that they sell on amazon (saw in another thread), not sure what would work better in that type of terrain.....

[islandermyk]

Some pics I took while I was up there [Coffee]

I love the light bar... I need more light bars [Flower]

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/Jeep%20Fingers/WheelinlookingforTmleader03_zps3d2077f3.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/Jeep%20Fingers/WheelinlookingforTmleader03_zps3d2077f3.jpg.html)

Had no signal... even at this spot.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/Jeep%20Fingers/WheelinlookingforTmleader031_zpsef4ff7e0.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/Jeep%20Fingers/WheelinlookingforTmleader031_zpsef4ff7e0.jpg.html)

Georgetown
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/Jeep%20Fingers/WheelinlookingforTmleader032_zps6c69b5e1.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/Jeep%20Fingers/WheelinlookingforTmleader032_zps6c69b5e1.jpg.html)

[blackford76]

Well...that was fun.[Beer] Just made it home.

[blackford76]

At one point we were directly above him, a little more than 1000 feet higher, we couldn't see his lights, and he couldn't hear us honking our horns. We even walked down the trail he was on, but had no way of telling if he was there or not. CBs had VERY short range tonight, barely more than line of sight. We ended up going back to the trail head and systematicly clearing every trail, marking the map, then move to the next one.
Very happy it all worked out, got to meet some new GREAT people.

[blackford76]

BTW, anyone have a decent used right side mirror for an '01 Expedition?[Coffee]

[Bailey Guns]

^^ Oooppps.

Other than the mirror casualty, glad to hear everyone is safe and back home. Sorry, rockhound...didn't see your post until this morning.

[02ducky]

The people on this forum are absolutely 100% awesome. You guys rock!!

[kawiracer14]

This is an excellent reason to get HAM radio. You can communicate several miles with no need for cell phone signals or the like. I know it sounds geeky (and it is) but I can make a huge difference in a situation like this.


Sent from my pocket

[gnihcraes]

This is an excellent reason to get HAM radio. You can communicate several miles with no need for cell phone signals or the like. I know it sounds geeky (and it is) but I can make a huge difference in a situation like this.


Sent from my pocket

Yep. But, terrain, weather, radio power, antenna all still play a part and there still might have been issues communicating. Especially if there wasn't a plan in place to use a specific frequency as primary and backup.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yep. But, terrain, weather, radio power, antenna all still play a part and there still might have been issues communicating. Especially if there wasn't a plan in place to use a specific frequency as primary and backup.

That's where a central command so to speak comes in. 1 possibly 2 people handle comms from everyone involved. There is a primary and #2 is back up IF power, or signal is lost etc.

[Hound]

Just saw this. Glad everyone made it.

[StagLefty]

I see a COAR15 reality show in the making. Glad everyone is okay.

[tmleadr03]

Why wont people let me sleep this morning?

Thank you to every one who came out. Pulled me out. Offered to come pull me out. Offered to give me a ride and come help get the cruiser out the next day.

To the guys especially who came out you guys are not going to be able to buy a drink around me.

I will write up today how stupid i was and post it for alls amusment.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I am here I am here.. where everybody at???



Glad you make it back out ok, Chris.

[Mazin]

Glad your ok man!

[Ridge]

Glad to hear you guys all made it back out of there!

[sniper7]

Glad you made it out alright!

[DireWolf]

Glad you guys made it out last night!

[blackford76]

One thing that would help in a situation like this, everyone using the same map. Cell phones aren't very reliable, CB's were limited, signaling by light and sound wasn't working, your typical Garmin type GPS wasn't terribly effective.
All in all, especially considering the outcome, it was kinda fun.

[Gman]

Glad to hear everyone is OK.

It was fortunate that cell phones were working as well as they were.

[blackford76]

tmleader getting stuck in the only spot on the mountain will a good signal was miraculous. The two jeep guys I stopped to get directions from, were AWESOME! No hesitation, just turned around and said "Let's go find him."

[islandermyk]

tmleader getting stuck in the only spot on the mountain will a good signal was miraculous. The two jeep guys I stopped to get directions from, were AWESOME! No hesitation, just turned around and said "Let's go find him."
Yes!

I tried transmitting repeatedly on channel 4 and didn't get anything back... and I lost signal on my phone as I had to back track to regain the signal to communicate with tmleader. Damn, wish i would've met up with you guys! [Beer]

[blackford76]

Yes!

I tried transmitting repeatedly on channel 4 and didn't get anything back... and I lost signal on my phone as I had to back track to regain the signal to communicate with tmleader. Damn, wish i would've met up with you guys! [Beer]

For some reason CB's were not much more than line of sight last night. I know Wiley was running a tuned Cobra 29 LTD, if anyone would have heard you, it would have been him.

[DireWolf]

Yes!

I tried transmitting repeatedly on channel 4 and didn't get anything back... and I lost signal on my phone as I had to back track to regain the signal to communicate with tmleader. Damn, wish i would've met up with you guys! [Beer]

I was thinking this myself, I was amazed (and thought it was almost unbelievably fortuitous) that tmleader had any cell coverage up there at all, and having had to hump it down off the mountain once (fortunately it was just me that time), am really glad it turned out OK....

Wish I had been in town yesterday to come help...

[DD977GM2]

tmleader getting stuck in the only spot on the mountain will a good signal was miraculous. The two jeep guys I stopped to get directions from, were AWESOME! No hesitation, just turned around and said "Let's go find him."

There are some great folks still in this world and the board members here are always showing this. That's awesome complete strangers went with you Blackford.

[hurley842002]

49271 This is where Google earth shows you were, according to the coordinates, just so folks get an idea of location. Glad you made it out okay. Now eagerly waiting to hear the details!

[BPTactical]

Gee, and the wife and I going to Buffalo Creek last night seems so mundane right now....glad everybody is safe and sound.

[Brian]

Wow, sorry to just be seeing this now. Glad you made it back in one piece, sorry I missed the chance to come help pull you out.

I do have to say, this is making me think about re-evaluate my habits. I always let someone know what trail I'm running, but most weekends I wheel alone with my kids, and usually cell reception is pretty bad most of the trail. While my rig is outfitted pretty well and I have a ton of lights and recovery gear, I'm not sure how well we'd handle a bad situation like this. Even changing a tire can be a major issue if you've slipped off the trail and are sitting at a weird angle. Glad you're ok, looking forward to the AAR. I need to spend some more time with my ham radio and maybe I'll stash the spare in the jeep. I've got some of those blankets that zip up into nice flat packages that are great for fitting behind the jeep, but I might want to think about a sleeping bag for the kids too.

Cheers to all you guys who jumped at the opportunity to come out and help. Lots of good people on this board.

Anybody have any experience with the emergency locator beacon options like the SPOT device?

[DD977GM2]

Brian,

get et bags for your kids and have 3 days of food that will be for them mainly to keep them occupied and calm and feel like it was planned camping. You and I and pretty much anyone on here can deal with sleeping next to a fire and maintaining the fire thru the night and let the kids sleep in the vehicle nice and warm. This is how I plan when I go 4 wheeling with my kids even though I have a bag for me and plenty of food and water. Typically my bag gets used for th bedding for the runts. This why I mentioned the fire etc.

[Brian]

Maybe if I can find the time this week, I'll lay out the contents of my recovery and emergency bags - for info and critique. I always enjoy reading over what everybody else is carrying around, just to compare notes. It's still plenty warm now, but we're getting close to when it'll be time to swap for the winter kits in the other vehicles as well.

tmleader - not sure it's the right way to say it, but I'm looking forward to hearing what worked and didn't worked with the young ones.

[DireWolf]

Maybe if I can find the time this week, I'll lay out the contents of my recovery and emergency bags - for info and critique. I always enjoy reading over what everybody else is carrying around, just to compare notes. It's still plenty warm now, but we're getting close to when it'll be time to swap for the winter kits in the other vehicles as well.

tmleader - not sure it's the right way to say it, but I'm looking forward to hearing what worked and didn't worked with the young ones.
For me when I head for the back country, its usually a hachet, spade (e-tool), jack, rifle, side-arm, ka-bar, a few small LED lights, tac/weapon light, (weather) radio/light with crank-charge, first aid kit, flint/steel, wetfire packs, compass, tow strap, paracord, thermal blanket, food, water, extra clothes/jacket, garbage bags, etc...

I need a new come-along, as those are life savers and my last one got messed up. Also, depending on how I feel and where I'm going, sometimes I'll bring a 14" chainsaw, as they can be enormously useful in some situations (like getting your skid-plate "beached" on a log/tree, making a lever to help lift out of a ditch, firewood, etc)...

Been thinking of getting a small HAM radio (and learning how to use it) after seeing how this played out with the comms.....

[tmleadr03]

Maybe if I can find the time this week, I'll lay out the contents of my recovery and emergency bags - for info and critique. I always enjoy reading over what everybody else is carrying around, just to compare notes. It's still plenty warm now, but we're getting close to when it'll be time to swap for the winter kits in the other vehicles as well.

tmleader - not sure it's the right way to say it, but I'm looking forward to hearing what worked and didn't worked with the young ones.

While I was still working on building up the road to try to keep from sliding I sent her down the trail to explore and play. That worked great for a while. I am going to make sure to have a charged tablet for next trip. With my daughter if I can plug her into something she is a happy camper. She was a bit freaked out.

One of the other mistakes was assuming that the tent was good place to store the sleeping bags (which it is actually not bad) but with the vehicle tilted like that I was not comfortable shifting the weight on top to that side more (tent opens driver side) and grabbing the sleeping bags. So I either need to pack blankets in the car, or keep the sleeping bags in the car. Probably going to just keep the bags in the car.

[rockhound]

glad thing went your way in the end. a winch is in order i think eh...

[rockhound]

BTW, anyone have a decent used right side mirror for an '01 Expedition?[Coffee]

i do, pm sent

[def90]

Any pics? :)

sent from a soup can and some string..

[tmleadr03]

Any pics? :)

sent from a soup can and some string..

In my other thread I posted a full report. With pics.