Can You Resist Police Violence?

[Mtn.man]

From the article:

“If daring to question, challenge or even hesitate when a cop issues an order can get you charged with resisting arrest or disorderly conduct, you’re not the master in a master-servant relationship. In fact, you’re not even the servant—you’re the slave.” John W. Whitehead


http://www.voicesofliberty.com/article/can-you-resist-police-violence/

[Hound]

Here is an easier link to get the full article:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/09/john-w-whitehead/can-you-resist/

[Mtn.man]

Thanks

[cstone]

I never could resist a woman in uniform. Take me officer, I'm yours. [flamingo]

[stoner01]

Pick up that can citizen

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

LOL.

I've often wondered, can one be charged with "failure to obey an officer" with no other crime.....or is that one of those tag on charges?

[stoner01]

LOL.

I've often wondered, can one be charged with "failure to obey an officer" with no other crime.....or is that one of those tag on charges?
I can charge you with it. It's a bs charge but isn't a tax on. Usually you'll get a trespassing or other misdemeanor cite as well

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

I can charge you with it. It's a bs charge but isn't a tax on. Usually you'll get a trespassing or other misdemeanor cite as well

I've heard of someone being charged with "failure to obey an officer" and "resisting arrest". Don't you have to be under arrest for something first though, LOL.

I have read about supreme court decisions reinforcing that citizens do in fact have the right to resist unlawful arrest, even with force if necessary. But I find that I ask myself how far would I really be willing to take that. Surrounded, probably outgunned depending on the day of the week.... and if you survive then most likely will have the media, local government, and uniformed populace stacked against you for any proceedings following said resisting unlawful arrest. Or do you just take the bs charge, get your stuff stolen (i mean seized), go to jail, and get a lawyer......who hopefully can get said charges thrown out and maybe get your stuff back. Kinda sucks though, we live in a society where rights and legal innocence have to be essentially bought back if someone decides they want to take them from you.

[BushMasterBoy]

I think you can resist police violence if you are an FBI agent...

[MarkUSMC88]

Aurora municipal code 94-383 resisting arrest charge:
"It is no defense to a charge brought under this section that the peace officer was attempting to make an arrest which in fact was unlawful, if he or she was acting under color of official authority, and in attempting to make the arrest he or she was not resorting to unreasonable or excessive force giving rise to the right of self-defense. "

So, be careful

[Irving]

Can You Resist Police Violence?
Nope. Police violence is one of my guilty pleasures. I couldn't turn it down if I tried.

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

"and in attempting to make the arrest he or she was not resorting to unreasonable or excessive force giving rise to the right of self-defense"

At what point does the right to self defense come in then.......pointing a deadly weapon at someone would be considered unreasonable and criminal in most circumstances until you toss a badge in the mix. Slamming on walls and face first into the ground, arm twisting, rib jabs, choke holds.........all reasonable under color of official authority :p

[DingleBerns]

If an officer advises he is arresting you, he has probable cause to arrest you (in 99% of the cases, minus the bad apples). If you resist, even if you think we are wrong, game over for you.

[bobbyfairbanks]

And that is bullshit.

[cstone]

Fight in court...not on the street.

If you lose in court, you can appeal.

If you lose on the street, you go to an ER or the morgue.

If you win in court, your lawyer makes money.

If you win on the street, backup is coming.

Be safe.

[BPTactical]

Fight in court...not on the street.

If you lose in court, you can appeal.

If you lose on the street, you go to an ER or the morgue.

If you win in court, your lawyer makes money.

If you win on the street, backup is coming.

Be safe.


End of thread.

[Whistler]

End of thread.

Therein lies the sad reality or half of it, Comply Citizen! The other half is the prohibitively expensive and questionably impartial appeal process to the officer's golf buddies. Before that gets misconstrued I think cops have a tough, crappy job, I applaud those willing to do it and would not consider doing that job for that amount of money but that doesn't mean I don't see trends I don't care for and want to change or even just bitch about. I understand reality, I don't understand defending a bad reality. It is what it is but it was something different before, it can certainly be something different again.

I'll let it go, I know how this progresses; someone makes offensive Draconian authoritarian statement, affronted replies and appeals follow, someone becomes personally insulting, bashing ensues, pee-pee whacks & butt hurt all around.

/unsubscribed

[CareyH]

Therein lies the sad reality or half of it, Comply Citizen! The other half is the prohibitively expensive and questionably impartial appeal process to the officer's golf buddies. Before that gets misconstrued I think cops have a tough, crappy job, I applaud those willing to do it and would not consider doing that job for that amount of money but that doesn't mean I don't see trends I don't care for and want to change or even just bitch about. I understand reality, I don't understand defending a bad reality. It is what it is but it was something different before, it can certainly be something different again.

I'll let it go, I know how this progresses; someone makes offensive Draconian authoritarian statement, affronted replies and appeals follow, someone becomes personally insulting, bashing ensues, pee-pee whacks & butt hurt all around.

/unsubscribed

now you can end the thread

[cstone]

There is life as it is and Life as you would like it to be.

One you live with, the other you work for.

Perfect? Not in this life.

Some things are worth dying for and some are not. Theses are choices we all make.

Oh, and the Constitutional right to pursue happiness is the guarantee that allows Americans to Bitch...Long, Loud, and Frequently! We are damn good at it.

Be safe.

[MarkUSMC88]

Fight in court...not on the street.

If you lose in court, you can appeal.

If you lose on the street, you go to an ER or the morgue.

If you win in court, your lawyer makes money.

If you win on the street, backup is coming.

Be safe.

Well said

[HoneyBadger]

There is life as it is and Life as you would like it to be.

One you live with, the other you work for.

Perfect? Not in this life.

Some things are worth dying for and some are not. Theses are choices we all make.

Oh, and the Constitutional right to pursue happiness is the guarantee that allows Americans to Bitch...Long, Loud, and Frequently! We are damn good at it.

Be safe.
Your wisdom is overwhelming. Well said. [Awesom]

[wctriumph]

It's pretty simple really, obey the law and you will not be hassled. If you are attracting the attention of the authorities, something is amiss in your demeanor. Don't get me wrong, there are some real asshole LE out there that will jump your shit for nothing, even made up shit. Better to be a nice guy than argue with them, you are on their turf (in their view) so they have the authority to fuck with you at their pleasure. If it happens, kill them with kindness and don't lie when they ask you questions. If you did something wrong then you fucked up. If you did not, don't argue with them. Its like arguing with your wife, the minute you know that you are right, shut up and apologise profusely and grovel. It sure as shit doesn't feel good but its better than being taken to jail for what really won't matter one bit tomorrow.

Be safe out there and vote!


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[RblDiver]

So, sort of piggy-backing on this, just read this today:
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/09/14/actress-daniele-watts-handcuffed-for-failing-to-show-id-to-police

Basically, a black actress was talking and "being affectionate" with her husband. Apparently, some cops thought she may be a prostitute, came up and asked for ID. She refused, so they cuffed and detained her until her husband gave some ID, then released her (something like that anyway).

Someone asked a good question: Under what conditions can a cop ask for your ID, and under what conditions can you legally refuse? I do remember about, oh, a month ago or so, there was an infowars vid a guy took of two cops coming to his house, demanding ID, claiming someone'd said he was the perp in some crime nearby, and he refused to give up ID, and while there was a big hassle he "got away with it."

[cstone]

So, sort of piggy-backing on this, just read this today:
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/09/14/actress-daniele-watts-handcuffed-for-failing-to-show-id-to-police

Basically, a black actress was talking and "being affectionate" with her husband. Apparently, some cops thought she may be a prostitute, came up and asked for ID. She refused, so they cuffed and detained her until her husband gave some ID, then released her (something like that anyway).

Someone asked a good question: Under what conditions can a cop ask for your ID, and under what conditions can you legally refuse? I do remember about, oh, a month ago or so, there was an infowars vid a guy took of two cops coming to his house, demanding ID, claiming someone'd said he was the perp in some crime nearby, and he refused to give up ID, and while there was a big hassle he "got away with it."

Ask? Anyone, including the cops can ask for anything.

If you are driving a vehicle on a public roadway, you are obliged to provide your government issued license. If the police are investigating a crime and they reasonably believe you may be involved in some way, they have the authority to identify who you are.

Plenty of people go to booking without providing any information or providing false identifying information. It gets sorted out one way or the other.

Each person, including you and me have to decide how much time we would like to spend with the police we come into contact with during our travels. Come to my house where I'm very comfortable and they need a warrant, and I have lots of time to let them stand in front of a closed door. If I am out and about, I have nothing to worry about and I would rather be on my way than stare dumbly at the officer for an hour, and I may just give him my name and date of birth. My choice how I play it and I give LE the same "attitude check" that I used for citizens when I was in patrol:

Act like an ass and you get treated like an ass.

I saw that video. IMO, he should have waved his hand, said "These are not the droids you are looking for" and closed the door. Let them knock. IMO, the one cop was behaving like an ass.

I didn't read the story about the actress and her husband. Were they in a neighborhood on a street with a known prostitution problem?

If you live in a neighborhood with a lot of street level crime, and you look like many of the street criminals in your neighborhood, you might expect to be confused with those same criminals once or a dozen times.

You can do everything right and still be wrong. Its not fair, but so much in life isn't. Deal with it.

Be safe.

[RblDiver]

(Just as a follow-up to this particular incident, I now fully support the actions of the cop. The audio's pretty plain, she's a nutcase. http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/
That being said, I still in general support the right to not have to provide ID just on a say-so. If a crime's been reported and you're told this, OK yes provide, but not a general, I don't know, "dragnet" IDing or something)