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Great-Kazoo
09-12-2014, 21:22
to me a simple lay person who could care less about football, drug testing etc. Personally what one does in their off time, that does not have a bearing on work place safety, or performance, should be just that off time.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_26523694/wes-welker-return-broncos-nflpa-approves-new-drug-policy
The new policy will include first-ever testing for human growth hormone, while also giving players some leniency on marijuana and offseason amphatemine use
nevermind
It's the NFL. Why would you expect it to be reasonable, rational, or even make sense.
There are more than a few prescription drugs with amphetamines in them. Adderall is becoming popular with pro athletes as it is said to give them a mental edge. There's more to the amphetamine world than crystal meth.
beast556
09-12-2014, 21:56
Im at a loss for words. I stopped watching professional sports in the early 90's when they were all striking for more money. How can a person complain when they make more in a year than most will ever make in a lifetime.
I will add: If they could stay out of the public eye in their off time, and still perform at elite level when required, this would be a non-issue.
Sadly, many of them cannot.
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Great-Kazoo
09-12-2014, 22:10
There are more than a few prescription drugs with amphetamines in them. Adderall is becoming popular with pro athletes as it is said to give them a mental edge. There's more to the amphetamine world than crystal meth.
[ROFL2] As long as you believe that good for you. So i need to enhance my Mental Edge, for OTR rigs. I drop a few bennys (uppers for the laymen) get UA'd i'm fired. I play football and i'm still getting a paycheck. What a hypocrite.
You need an edge for playing sports hit the gym, watch videos of other teams. That's how you get an edge, mental or otherwise.
[ROFL2] as long as you believe that good for you. So i need to enhance my Mental Edge, for OTR rigs. I drop a few bennys (uppers for the laymen) get UA'd i'm fired. I play football and i'm still getting a paycheck. What a hypocrite.
Adderall is a drug for ADHD, it is also used a lot on college campuses around mid terms and finals as it gives mental alertness without the jitters you get from your bennys and crank.
Great-Kazoo
09-12-2014, 22:20
Adderall is a drug for ADHD, it is also used a lot on college campuses around mid terms and finals as it gives mental alertness without the jitters you get from your bennys and crank.
So you have Dr's randomly writing scripts during mid-terms OR one buy a few off the local pill head?
Yeah i know. They proclaimed it as the wonder drug for kids who were not able to pay attention in school. Side effects? mild shooting rampages. Like i said as long as sports keeps justifying it's stance on drugs, how can you take them seriously.
Playing sports and needing something to enhance your level of awareness, be it by prescription or someone buying off the street. I see no difference. It's still abuse if not doctor shoping for the right one. The man on the street shop doctors they're looking at jail time. NFL, they get another car or commercial endorsement.
Adderall is a drug for ADHD, it is also used a lot on college campuses around mid terms and finals as it gives mental alertness without the jitters you get from your bennys and crank.
So you're advocating this practice?
i.e.: People do it, so it's acceptable?
ETA : Adderall is a prescription drug, is it not?
Additional ETA: ^^^Seems GK beat me to the punch.
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GilpinGuy
09-12-2014, 22:24
I may be off in left field here, but pro athletes are like gladiators to me. If they "choose" to poison themselves for our entertainment, that's their choice. Nobody is making them do it. "Off the field" behavior, like beating your fiance out cold, is a bit different I guess. If the business has a policy that states this or that and you violate it, then see ya.
So you're advocating this practice?
i.e.: People do it, so it's acceptable?
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He asked, I answered. Personally, I say pump them all full of steroids, HGH, EPO and amphetamines if they volunteer for it. I liked baseball with 10 home runs a game and guys crushing it 550 feet. Seeing a running back that's 6'7", 320 pounds and can run 40 yards in 4.5 seconds would be fun. Just start all new record books for them. Not like there's really much integrity in pro sports or athletes anymore as it is.
I may be off in left field here, but pro athletes are like gladiators to me. If they "choose" to poison themselves for our entertainment, that's their choice. Nobody is making them do it. "Off the field" behavior, like beating your fiance out cold, is a bit different I guess. If the business has a policy that states this or that and you violate it, then see ya.
"Off the Field" and "Out of the Public Eye" are entirely different animals.
^^^Neither exonerates abhorrent behavior, but one influences public opinion more.
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He asked, I answered. Personally, I say pump them all full of steroids, HGH, EPO and amphetamines if they volunteer for it. I liked baseball with 10 home runs a game and guys crushing it 550 feet. Seeing a running back that's 6'7", 320 pounds and can run 40 yards in 4.5 seconds would be fun. Just start all new record books for them. Not like there's really much integrity in pro sports or athletes anymore as it is.
Doesn't explain the campus reference though.
Allow me to clarify that: It doesn't EXPLAIN AWAY your campus reference.
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Not like there's really much integrity in pro sports or athletes anymore as it is.
Dave, I think that may be the most pertinent statement in this entire thread.
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How's the popcorn, Jim?
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Bailey Guns
09-13-2014, 00:51
I'll buy a Rockies ticket once every other year or so. That's about it for me.
Great-Kazoo
09-13-2014, 07:20
How's the popcorn, Jim?
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very buttery.
Doesn't explain the campus reference though.
Allow me to clarify that: It doesn't EXPLAIN AWAY your campus reference.
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It's a type of amphetamine that people use that is legal to get in some instances that with the level of testing the NFL does on the samples would cause a positive result. He seems to be under the impression all amphetamines are just crystal meth and "bennys" used by truck drivers or tweekers.
Great-Kazoo
09-13-2014, 08:51
It's a type of amphetamine that people use that is legal to get in some instances that with the level of testing the NFL does on the samples would cause a positive result. He seems to be under the impression all amphetamines are just crystal meth and "bennys" used by truck drivers or tweekers.
I am well aware of the difference between script and street drugs. Personally saw the toll it takes on the user, their family & friends.
It's acceptable to enhance oneself on the field of play with pharmaceuticals , yet people go to jail over varying quantities off street.
Weed went from medicinal in CO to OTC.
Some folks who are against the decriminalization of weed, cheer their teams on. So what their guy tested hot. We Won, yeah!
It's like those who say a shotgun or hunting rifle is acceptable, but an AR or AK is not.
I don't understand why they care either. Performance enhancing or other. Let the players use whatever they want, and then they can deal with the future consequences. It does not change the game in any way. Performance enhancing drugs are just the next evolution in human evolution.
I say the same thing for behavior off the field. The leagues should not care. People don't stop watching because some thug whips his wife, actually more may watch in the hopes he gets his.
MONEY...pure and simple.
The NFL is in the ENTERTAINMENT business first and foremost. When people stop paying to see the games and let the advertisers know if they pay for ads, we won't buy their products, it might change. Frankly with both of my boys playing baseball, I hardly miss pro sports at all.
rockhound
09-13-2014, 09:39
I can't imagine you can play the game without using some kind of drugs. Come Monday morning these guy have got to be in pain.
Performance enhancing drugs are just the next evolution in human evolution.
Nail on the head.
I had a rather lengthy post a few years back about PEDs and how silly everyone was being about them in professional sports. It's kind of hypocritical to state they're concerned about player safety while criminalizing something that literally aids in healing and recovery. I've said it before and I'll say it again (to anyone who cares to listen) steroids/HGH are the closest to the Holy Grail that modern medicine has come but their pockets are only so deep. It's already been proven that the kind of money professional sports generate can revolutionize medical practices. Just look at all the various injury repair procedures that didn't even exist a decade ago that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the demand and financial backing of professional sports. Procedures that EVERYONE now benefits from. Apply this same backing to the study of steroids/HGH and in a decade we'll have advances on steroids/HGH that we can ALL benefit from and someday we'll all look back on this time when commissioners/media/fans outlawed these for some unknown reason and think of how foolish they all were and how much better off we'd be as a whole had we got onboard sooner. To me, the wasting of tax payer dollars to fight against PEDs by our government is once again throwing money at slowing humanity's advancement. Hell, look at how much money is being wasted on just making these drugs invisible to testing. Imagine if they allowed these drugs and full efforts could be thrown at them and findings shared publicly and all the financial backing there would be OTC within a decade that we could all take in pill form that would reverse the signs of aging 10 years for 40 year olds. Tell me you wouldn't pay for that.
The PED battle is just as dumb as the war on drugs and gives those who have accomplished nothing in life the feeling like they're actually contributing to society when they're actually making things worse.
I don't care what they use. I like "Bigger stronger faster". My problem is the whining about how they wear their bodies out. For $10 million, Id fight Mike Tyson gloveles 10 times. I came up through the construction labor field and my body knows I overused it, but am reasonably successful now and am thankful that I get to use my mind instead of my body. That kind of security for my family for generations would be well worth a few dead brain cells.
Whistler
09-14-2014, 10:38
Problem is there are damn few who would accept the results as something they made a conscious decision to do;
Nearly 300 former Broncos signed on to litigation against the NFL, and the Washington Times last month tallied the total of pending lawsuits against the NFL tied to head injuries as 263, involving thousands of ex-players. Mecklenburg is one of 60 plaintiffs in Hostetler vs. NFL, a Pennsylvania lawsuit led by former quarterback Jeff Hostetler. The lawsuits generally argue that the league was negligent in handling concussions and even withheld information from the players about the head injury issue. Source (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23935492/collision-opinions)
Karl Mecklenburg
"The one thing we were hoping, or at least I was hoping, would come out of this lawsuit against the NFL was that the culture would change," he said. "Instead of coming to the sideline and having them hold up two fingers and ask you how many fingers and you know it's going to be two, so you say two, and then go back in, now all of a sudden it's taken seriously and it's an injury. I believe neurologists are saying now that repeated concussions in a short span of time are really the long-term issues."
"Yeah, you're probably going to get hurt and overcoming issues are probably part of football. But I didn't buy in to professional football with the understanding that I was going to have brain damage. I expected to have a limp. I expected to have sore joints. Bad shoulder, whatever. But that other part, that was kept from us and that wasn't right."
Simon Fletcher
"For me to be in a courtroom opposite the Denver Broncos is not going to happen," Fletcher said. "My (six) kids are all finished with college and my youngest just started her master's work. A lot of that was funded because the Denver Broncos took a chance on a skinny boy from Texas, out of the University of Houston, many years ago. It didn't take me long to wear that orange and blue before I fell in love with an organization."
"I've been contacted, I've read things, I've heard things, but at the end of the day, to thine own self be true," Fletcher said. "I knew the risk, I accepted the reward and I'll deal with the consequences. It's like the lifeguard at the city pool suing the city government because he got wet at work."
For everyone saying "screw it! Let them do what they want!" Question: if you had a son, say 13, and he played football and asked you if he could go to the doc and get some anabolic steroids and HGH so he could have that "competitive edge", how would you feel? Like it or not, a ton of pro athletes are looked up to by our youth. Lord knows I looked up to Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic in my youth.
blacklabel
09-14-2014, 18:13
For everyone saying "screw it! Let them do what they want!" Question: if you had a son, say 13, and he played football and asked you if he could go to the doc and get some anabolic steroids and HGH so he could have that "competitive edge", how would you feel? Like it or not, a ton of pro athletes are looked up to by our youth. Lord knows I looked up to Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic in my youth.
I'd tell him to wait until he was 18, fully research their use and then make an informed decision when he was of age. Kind of like anything else he may want to do.
For everyone saying "screw it! Let them do what they want!" Question: if you had a son, say 13, and he played football and asked you if he could go to the doc and get some anabolic steroids and HGH so he could have that "competitive edge", how would you feel? Like it or not, a ton of pro athletes are looked up to by our youth. Lord knows I looked up to Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic in my youth.
The same thing I'd tell him if he wanted a beer, cigarette or adult movie. Legal for me doesn't make it legal for you.
hurley842002
09-14-2014, 18:27
The same thing I'd tell him if he wanted a beer, cigarette or adult movie. Legal for me doesn't make it legal for you.
Yup, shouldn't be letting professional sports raise our children.
Yup, shouldn't be letting professional sports raise our children.
...or the government.
If you let popular culture, da gubment or athletes raise your kids you're not going to be happy w/the results & neither am I.
Yup, shouldn't be letting professional sports raise our children.
Kids gotta have heroes... I'm along with the thinking that team sports help build young boys into men. That's where I learned the value of sportsmanship, team player, and working together to accomplish a goal.
Kids gotta have heroes... I'm along with the thinking that team sports help build young boys into men. That's where I learned the value of sportsmanship, team player, and working together to accomplish a goal.
PLAYING them helps them learn valuable life lessons. Watching them? Meh. No more than me watching shows on medical procedures makes me a doctor. The sting of a loss and why you want to work harder to not lose is another valuable less that applies to life as much as any other less that most of today's generation has completely lost sight of.
Ronin13, you have to admit that your 'What do I tell me 13 year old son...' argument is full of holes as it applies to this conversation. Baseball still allows smokeless tobacco in all forms even though their beloved players are dropping like flies at an early age due to it so does that mean you let your 13 y.o. chew? I would hope not.
Just remember, the great Babe Ruth was a drunken, misogynistic, racist, wife beater. It just wasn't as highly publicized.
Just remember, the great Babe Ruth was a drunken, misogynistic, racist, wife beater. It just wasn't as highly publicized.
But he didn't use PEDs so in most people's eyes he was a good dude. Our priorities are all screwed up as a society.
buffalobo
09-15-2014, 17:30
For everyone saying "screw it! Let them do what they want!" Question: if you had a son, say 13, and he played football and asked you if he could go to the doc and get some anabolic steroids and HGH so he could have that "competitive edge", how would you feel? Like it or not, a ton of pro athletes are looked up to by our youth. Lord knows I looked up to Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic in my youth.
Your job as a parent to make sure role models meet the standards you set. Not the role models job. There is more to life than sports.
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buffalobo
09-15-2014, 17:33
PLAYING them helps them learn valuable life lessons. Watching them? Meh. No more than me watching shows on medical procedures makes me a doctor. The sting of a loss and why you want to work harder to not lose is another valuable less that applies to life as much as any other less that most of today's generation has completely lost sight of.
Ronin13, you have to admit that your 'What do I tell me 13 year old son...' argument is full of holes as it applies to this conversation. Baseball still allows smokeless tobacco in all forms even though their beloved players are dropping like flies at an early age due to it so does that mean you let your 13 y.o. chew? I would hope not.
"Dropping like flies" is pretty far out there for the hand full whose deaths are attributed to chewing tobacco out of the thousands who have played in just the last 50 years.
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"Dropping like flies" is pretty far out there for the hand full whose deaths are attributed to chewing tobacco out of the thousands who have played in just the last 50 years.
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But..."dropping like flies" could be construed a a somewhat clever psuedo-baseball reference.
I give him extra points for that.
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Great-Kazoo
09-15-2014, 19:48
But..."dropping like flies" could be construed a a somewhat clever psuedo-baseball reference.
I give him extra points for that.
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Might he have worked Sarcasm in to a thread w/out notice.
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