View Full Version : Jeffco seems to be having some issues with the school board
There aren't a whole lot of facts out from the side of the school board, and having voted for the 3 conservatives I tend to side with them on this as far as their pushing back against Common Core, but I'm not entirely sure what their proposal is exactly...
GOLDEN — Dozens of Evergreen High School students walked out of their morning classes on Monday and carpooled to the Jefferson County School Administration Building to protest what they see as the school board's attempt to censor advanced history curriculum.
"I want honesty in my classroom," the students said in a letter presented to Superintendent Dan McMinimee, who spoke with four student representatives and the board. "Teachers want honesty in the classroom."
The protest followed a teacher sick-out (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26582011/all-jefferson-county-schools-open-after-sick-out)that closed two schools last week. Schools were back open on Monday despite rumors that educators might not show again. Students said similar protests are planned for the rest of the week.
"We came in as a preventative measure," said Mali Holmes, a senior at Evergreen.
The group of 100 to 200 students protested for about 45 minutes before returning back to school, specifically asking that civil disobedience topics not be removed from the AP U.S. History course. Student leaders told The Denver Post that the gathering was planned on Facebook late Sunday night.
Monday's protest marked the second day in a week that students missed school because of mounting controversy in the district. McMinimee said he asks students and educators to let him come to them instead of having kids miss school driving to the administration building.
"I think you just keep trying to communicate and maybe over-communicate," McMinimee said of efforts to stabilize the tumult.
The curriculum controversy stems from a board member's proposal to form a review panel to promote patriotic material, respect for authority, and the free-market system. In turn, the panel would avoid material about "civil disorder (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26569908/two-jeffco-high-schools-close-friday-after-teachers?source=pkg), social strife or disregard of the law."
Several parents also attended the protest to support their children, including David Temple, who, along with his son, met with McMinimee.
"I thought it was helpful," Temple said. "I think the superintendent was open and honest about his thoughts."
Students said they are upset with how the board has proposed to sweep "under the rug" certain parts of the AP U.S. History curriculum. McMinimee said he would take the letter to the board and voice the students' concerns.
"I can say in the future there will be a heightened degree of transparency on how this is carried out," Dr. Syna Morgan, chief academic officer, told student leaders.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26582843/jeffco-students-skip-classes-protest-censorship-history-curriculum
I've already staked a claim in the argument as I've already told a few people that if the proposal isn't exactly published and we cannot see what all it entails, then this sounds like more of that "Protesting just to protest" without having all the facts. Sad part is, I graduated from Evergreen High School, and I never protested while I was in school... I was too busy doing school work. Does anyone have any insight into this? I have yet to read anything from the school board that actually states they're "censoring" history. It seems more like "lets stop teaching from the angle that we don't do a lot right, to we do much much more good than bad," or even teaching a different view on civil disobedience that got out of hand so as not to condone that behavior. As we all know, most teachers are liberal, and I think perhaps this is just the school board trying to curb them a bit so they teach more objectively rather than toss their opinion in every chance they get.
Still, I have yet to see the word-for-word proposal, so I cannot really say if these kids are in the right or they're just going along with more of that "Occupy" mentality "I'm protesting! Dammit I'm mad, and I'm protesting! I'm not sure what, but I'm protesting!"
Even when I was in high school I thought walk-outs were worthless excuses to ditch class. Even back then I knew that no one gives a shit what high schoolers think about anything.
The school board wants to make history "happier".
They want to remove all mention of George Washington, George Washington Carver, Albert Einstein, The Holocaust, The entire Civil Rights movement, and numerous other things that they think will show the US and world in a negative light....
I agree with the students. I don't necessarily like the walk outs or the teacher call ins, but I agree with what their stance is...
And yes, I do have a dog in this fight. Two of them, actually.
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The school board wants to make history "happier".
They want to remove all mention of George Washington, George Washington Carver, Albert Einstein, The Holocaust, The entire Civil Rights movement, and numerous other things that they think will show the US and world in a negative light....
I agree with the students. I don't necessarily like the walk outs or the teacher call ins, but I agree with what their stance is...
And yes, I do have a dog in this fight. Two of them, actually.
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Again, I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Have you seen the actual proposal yet? Does it explicitly say removing all mention of the above? They stress promoting patriotism, I would think that Washington and the Civil Rights Movement would be pretty big deals when it comes to patriotism... especially from a conservative standpoint.
Agreed, I think you are being misled. It seems to me they want to take the emphasis off of some of the mistakes that America has made and make it into the kind of history we were talking we were younger. What my kids are being taught at school is that America has ruined the world.
It's like you asked a complete socialist to write the history books as a negative view of capitalism America freedom and our system of government.
I would like to see history taught from as neutral of a standpoint as possible, liberals are using our schools to indoctrinate children to their way of thinking, not presenting the facts allowing them to come up with conclusions themselves.
I knew I should have kept my mouth shut when I saw who started this thread.....
I'm not being misled.
We'll see how it turns out.
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Aloha_Shooter
09-25-2014, 11:18
More accurately, the Colorado Education Association has a problem with the school board and since they lost the election they have resorted to brainwashing students and misinforming the populace. My understanding is the board wanted the curriculum to quit focusing on America's mistakes, which is the core part of the liberal agenda for rewriting US history. They also wanted to institute more merit-based pay versus the union-approved seniority-based pay raises.
It's a shame the students are being used as pawns this way but the ones I saw on the news sounded like they were just repeating the schlock they were being told by the teachers union.
More accurately, the Colorado Education Association has a problem with the school board and since they lost the election they have resorted to brainwashing students and misinforming the populace. My understanding is the board wanted the curriculum to quit focusing on America's mistakes, which is the core part of the liberal agenda for rewriting US history. They also wanted to institute more merit-based pay versus the union-approved seniority-based pay raises.
It's a shame the students are being used as pawns this way but the ones I saw on the news sounded like they were just repeating the schlock they were being told by the teachers union.
I agree. I would go a little further though, and say the new board wants the teachers to quit brainwashing the students into thinking that America is an evil empire. Schools have been doing away with any kind of patriotism, and positive views of America for quite a while now. I think what the board wants, is a little more of an equalized view. I say, it's about time.
Mike Rosen had a guest on yesterday to discuss the issue. First the proposal by the Board was tabled. So it is going no where, there may be discussion but that is it.
The issue is that the AP US History curriculum by the College Board is proposed to be tied in to Common Core Standards, and be more leftist, like Howard Zinn's History of America: America is based on genocide, theft, etc.
The Board wanted to analyze the curriculum and have a more pro America bent. Rush Limbaugh has been discussing as well.
Bottom line the teachers are using the student's as pawns to protest in favor of having the communist version of American History taught.
God Bless America!!!
Rooskibar03
09-25-2014, 12:18
Seems the way we teach history is a bit of misdirection to the fact that teachers will have a merit based pay system. I could have sworn that is what this started over ane now it's barely a blip.
Me me thinks the public would support a pay structure where if you are good at your job you are rewarded and if you suck you won't. Now I relaize that goes against Union menality so it makes sense they don't want to talk about it.
Why would a "conservative" school board want to change the way we teach history? That a liberal agenda.
Williams accurately states in her letter that Martin Luther King Jr. is not mentioned in the 142-page APUSH curriculum outline. However, the civil rights movement is mentioned frequently.
She incorrectly states that Thomas Jefferson is not mentioned. In fact, his name appears in the framework document precisely once -- as an example of a former colonist who "continued to possess wealth, power and influence" after the American Revolution.
The document's only mention of John Adams appears in the same paragraph.
"(The APUSH curriculum) has an emphasis on race, gender, class, ethnicity, grievance and American-bashing while simultaneously omitting the most basic structural and philosophical elements considered essential to the understanding of American History for generations," Williams wrote.
I don't think the high schoolers have much to protest about until they have taken both classes.
Columbus didn't discover America.
That is all.
spqrzilla
09-25-2014, 13:38
It is truly astonishing that any high school teacher would think that Zinn's communist propaganda had any value as "history". Its been quite thoroughly debunked for its fabrications and bad history.
spqrzilla
09-25-2014, 13:39
Seems the way we teach history is a bit of misdirection to the fact that teachers will have a merit based pay system. I could have sworn that is what this started over ane now it's barely a blip.
And that's exactly what this is about. Teachers Union knows that they will utterly fail to prevail among Jeffco voters on that substantive dispute so they are creating a red herring dispute.
Truants. All of em.
Make your voice heard but don't walk out of classes for 5 days.
If as many showed up to the school board meeting with parents and students as showed up to the curb then the school board would notice.
68Charger
09-25-2014, 14:41
Why would a "conservative" school board want to change the way we teach history? That a liberal agenda.
The pay issues aside, Colorado has gone to "Common Core" which is the cleansed version of history... so conservatives would want it changed "back" to actual history.
Seems the way we teach history is a bit of misdirection to the fact that teachers will have a merit based pay system. I could have sworn that is what this started over ane now it's barely a blip.
Me me thinks the public would support a pay structure where if you are good at your job you are rewarded and if you suck you won't. Now I relaize that goes against Union menality so it makes sense they don't want to talk about it.
Why would a "conservative" school board want to change the way we teach history? That a liberal agenda.
The Public (Voters) with the right education will support the changes. However, the union knows it is a fight to the death. In Douglas they union has lost 3 elections, yet they still stir up trouble. Jeffco is the largest district in the state, so once the union is gone there it will go in other areas, like Cherry Creek.
colorider
09-25-2014, 17:14
My neighbor is a jeffxo teacher. It also has to do with pay.
hollohas
09-25-2014, 18:07
There aren't a whole lot of facts out from the side of the school board, and having voted for the 3 conservatives I tend to side with them on this as far as their pushing back against Common Core, but I'm not entirely sure what their proposal is exactly...
I've already staked a claim in the argument as I've already told a few people that if the proposal isn't exactly published
EVERYTHING is on the Jeff Co School website. Everything. Including the original proposal which last week was amended to remove the wording about focusing on patriotism. These dummies are protesting something that isn't even a policy yet and has long since been revised to remove the controversial wording.
hollohas
09-25-2014, 18:09
The school board wants to make history "happier".
They want to remove all mention of George Washington, George Washington Carver, Albert Einstein, The Holocaust, The entire Civil Rights movement, and numerous other things that they think will show the US and world in a negative light....
I agree with the students. I don't necessarily like the walk outs or the teacher call ins, but I agree with what their stance is...
And yes, I do have a dog in this fight. Two of them, actually.
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Oh, no they don't. Read the original proposal. And it wasn't even a proposal from the BOARD, it was from one member and has been tabled. Get a little more informed.
I'm not being misled.
We'll see how it turns out.
Oh, yes you are. All the wording in the proposal that mentioned AP history should focus on facts, patriotism and not illegal activities was removed last week. Now the only proposal is to form a committee, selected by ALL the board members, that will review curriculum. The committee won't make ANY changes and will only submit observations to the board. The board will hold public comments before any curriculum changes. And BTW, by law the school board has final say on curriculum, not the teachers and especially not the students.
hollohas
09-25-2014, 18:20
My neighbor is a jeffxo teacher. It also has to do with pay.
Yup, pay is a big part of it. The new compensation policy is also on the website. Heaven forbid they get raises based on their performance. The new policy basically states that bad performance isn't eligible for a raise. Mediocre performance might get a small yearly raise and good performance can get a good raise of up to 4.25% per year.
It also raises minimum starting pay and sets a maximum teacher pay.
How many of you wish your employer had a policy that good performance review got a yearly 4.25% raise? How many would work pretty hard for that?
Ahhh, now it makes complete sense.... [facepalm]
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/cu-boulder-professor-helped-created-framework-for-controversial-ap-us-history-course09252014
"[Critics] have said there is no mention here in the subheads of James Madison," said Anderson. "Well, the assumption is not that you're going to ignore James Madison or any of the important leaders, but rather that we can trust teachers to know that they were there. We list examples of issues that may not have been taught before in that light or in that connection. For example, Abigail Adams is mentioned here, but John Adams is not. Well, the assumption is not that Abigail Adams is the only person who is going to be mentioned. She was writing letters to her husband, John Adams, who was President of the United States."
kidicarus13
09-25-2014, 19:25
What percentage of students are in AP History? 15%? And how many participated in the walkout? Exactly. I'm just mad I didn't "walk out" more when I was in school.
I walked out every chance I got, hell if there wasn't a good parking space I turned around and went home. :)
What percentage of students are in AP History? 15%? And how many participated in the walkout? Exactly. I'm just mad I didn't "walk out" more when I was in school.
Government schools...keep the line moving, KEEP THE LINE MOVING! We don't want that mush to congeal too early. It needs to be soft and pliable so that when they get to college the real professors can mold them into the correct way of thinking.
Great-Kazoo
09-25-2014, 21:57
What percentage of students are in AP History? 15%? participated in the walkout? Exactly. I'm just mad I didn't "walk out" more when I was in school.
I walked out every chance I got, hell if there wasn't a good parking space I turned around and went home. :)
Never made it past the park down the road. or buddies house shooting pool, ice cold henikens, Lowenbrau dark. Listening to LZ 4 on 8 track. AND SHE'S BUYING A STAIRWA, whirrr, click
AY TO HEAVEN . [LOL]
KestrelBike
09-25-2014, 23:16
Government schools...keep the line moving, KEEP THE LINE MOVING! We don't want that mush to congeal too early. It needs to be soft and pliable so that when they get to college the real professors can mold them into the correct way of thinking.
In the past year I've taken US History I & II, American Politics, and Physical Geography. The textbooks are 110% leftist teachings. Even the geography textbook is just pushing global warming, republican smokestacks, etc etc. The exam in geography had a True/False question: Humans are responsible for climate change on a massive scale due to fossil fuel usage (GUESS WHAT THE CORRECT ANSWER WAS??)
Practically every 5th page in the American Politics book has a picture of obama. All is not well in hoo-ville.
cmailliard
09-26-2014, 06:09
Teaching and learning is awesome, teachers who want to teach and students who want to learn are awesome.
Education is fucking dumb as shit. It is a broken wheel that wants to keep moving in the dumb ass direction. Even if all the spokes break off, the horse will still be beat to drag the piece of shit forward.
Education is the Titanic that just hit the iceberg of stupidness, everyone is standing on the deck waiting to go down with the ship because they failed to put enough lifeboats on the on sinkable ship of education.
I am sure I can come up with more, but I have to go and teach.
HoneyBadger
09-26-2014, 07:40
I don't think the high schoolers have much to protest about until they have taken both classes.
I don't think high schoolers ever have much to protest about.
As an aside, Honestly, this whole thing reinforces my desire to homeschool.
hollohas
09-26-2014, 07:56
They had middle schoolers out protesting earlier this week. MIDDLE school. Kids that don't even have AP history or ANY idea about what's going on. Think the teachers are using the kids? Damn right they are. Unbelievable.
Bailey Guns
09-26-2014, 07:56
I'm in 100% agreement with Aloha and others on this...
JeffCo isn't having problems with the school board. Liberals and leftists are having problems with the conservative majority JeffCo school board. This has nothing to do "with the children". It has everything to do with the leftists losing power and control. The protesting students haven't a clue what they're talking about...how much life experience and wisdom could a 16 or 17 year old have?
And as usual, the liberals and leftists are lying and misrepresenting their side of the story because if they were honest no one would listen to them.
hollohas
09-26-2014, 09:13
Exactly Bailey. The libs had a school superintendent on their side but once she lost the monopoly on the board, she took her ball and went home. She quit early because she didn't have complete control. She quit because the new members that were elected by the public offered an opposing view. She quit because she stopped getting her way.
The school board is our only representation within the public schools we fund and send our kids to. We elected them to give us a voice and the new members are doing just that. They are trying to make changes that will create more accountability with the teachers.
The pay for performance is a great idea, in theory. I know a teacher in Doug Co and I asked him how he likes it. He said that it sounds good but if you get a great score on a review, it basically means you're getting the equivalent to an audit. They'll send a rep to sit in your class and evaluate you to see if you really are doing a "great job". They can then downgrade you to satisfactory if they feel thats all you're doing. He said the general consensus is that it's not worth the headaches to get the better review, unfortunately. :shrugs:
The pay for performance is a great idea, in theory. I know a teacher in Doug Co and I asked him how he likes it. He said that it sounds good but if you get a great score on a review, it basically means you're getting the equivalent to an audit. They'll send a rep to sit in your class and evaluate you to see if you really are doing a "great job". They can then downgrade you to satisfactory if they feel thats all you're doing. He said the general consensus is that it's not worth the headaches to get the better review, unfortunately. :shrugs:
Sounds like every job I've ever had.
hollohas
09-26-2014, 10:01
Sounds like every job I've ever had.
Diddo. I'm going to strive for mediocrity so I don't have the headache of my employer evaluating me for a raise.
Ditto. I'm going to strive for mediocrity so I don't have the headache of my employer evaluating me for a raise. FIFY ;)
It's not just an evaluation. He said they make it near impossible to get the excellent grade. If you get identified as "excellent", they do everything they can to bring you back to average. The difference in the pay increase wasn't worth the extra hassle you receive from the district. One 30 min sit in class session should not allow the district to override what the principal see's on a day in, day out basis.
kidicarus13
09-26-2014, 10:30
Sounds like every job I've ever had.
Exactly. Isn't that normal in America 2014?
Aloha_Shooter
09-27-2014, 03:39
Dave, that sounds more like the union trying to undermine the merit pay. Your friend is far closer to it than me but what you described doesn't hold with the self-described motives of the board to boost performance. It sounds a lot like the union shops that would do anything to "moderate" the output of the more stellar performers.
Bailey Guns
09-27-2014, 06:23
In my admittedly brief personal experience with union leadership they hated people who, through superior performance and work ethic, made others "look bad".
FIFY ;)
It's not just an evaluation. He said they make it near impossible to get the excellent grade. If you get identified as "excellent", they do everything they can to bring you back to average. The difference in the pay increase wasn't worth the extra hassle you receive from the district. One 30 min sit in class session should not allow the district to override what the principal see's on a day in, day out basis.
Still sounds like every job I've held. LaFarge was especially bad about that. Peer job reviews did not appear to be used in the evaluation process and it seemed the clueless HR Dept. would pull something out of the thin air. Plant manager used job reports and interviews to determine bonuses. Unions by definition are death to individualism.
hollohas
09-27-2014, 09:42
FIFY ;)
It's not just an evaluation. He said they make it near impossible to get the excellent grade. If you get identified as "excellent", they do everything they can to bring you back to average. The difference in the pay increase wasn't worth the extra hassle you receive from the district. One 30 min sit in class session should not allow the district to override what the principal see's on a day in, day out basis.
Haha, doh. Thanks for the spelling fix.
I will reserve comment on the DougCo review procedure because I am not familiar with that district.
JeffCo however has budgeted $11.1M in 2014-15 for salary increases and associated benefit costs. That money is already reserved to give the teachers. The district WANTS to give more money to the teachers...they just ask that they do a good job. That's not unresonable. They are also raising the starting teacher salary from $32k to $38k. The average teacher salary in JeffCo is somewhere around $52k and that is considerably higher than 9 years ago. I just can't fathom why any teacher except for under performing ones would complain about all that.
I'm not making any of these numbers up. They are all public information posted on the district website.
When you get to the end, isn't this about "Pay for Performance" for teachers?
When you get to the end, isn't this about "Pay for Performance" for teachers?
Yes, it most certainly is.
hollohas
09-29-2014, 07:45
And two more schools shut down today because too many teachers called in "sick". Kids were showing up at Golden High school and being turned away this morning because 84% of the teachers called in according to 850KOA. But, but, but...the teachers ONLY have the best interests of the students in mind... BS. Unofficial strikes are not legally allowed and every single one of those teachers should lose today's pay.
UncleDave
09-29-2014, 08:24
And two more schools shut down today because too many teachers called in "sick". Kids were showing up at Golden High school and being turned away this morning because 84% of the teachers called in according to 850KOA. But, but, but...the teachers ONLY have the best interests of the students in mind... BS. Unofficial strikes are not legally allowed and every single one of those teachers should lose today's pay.
My 2 cents is all the teachers that are involved with the sick out should be fired and have to reinterview for their jobs. Otherwise the tail will continue to wag the dog.
My 2 cents is all the teachers that are involved with the sick out should be fired and have to reinterview for their jobs. Otherwise the tail will continue to wag the dog.
I agree.
Eliminate the union, remind those clowns who they work for.
My 2 cents is all the teachers that are involved with the sick out should be fired and have to reinterview for their jobs. Otherwise the tail will continue to wag the dog.
Afterall, a sick out is illegal.
RblDiver
09-29-2014, 11:50
Or they could tell the teachers "It's fine to use your sick out days on this. But if later in the year you are actually sick and are out of sick days, one absence and you're fired."
I think the teachers should be fired. Then this event should be worked into the AP class as an example of how illegal protesting isn't always brave and honorable, and doesn't always work. Just for the sake of balance.
PATCO!
For those don't remember, here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_ (1968)
hollohas
09-29-2014, 16:22
Denver Post is reporting that the superintendent is saying the teachers either bring proof of illness or lose a days pay. Or at least the principles will have that option.
Also, teachers are saying the board is disrespecting the voters...no they are not. They are doing exactly what the majority that voted for them wanted them to do.
One student protestor that was interviewed said they wanted this to go NATIONAL. Wonder what exactly they want to go national? This is a local issue. Does that student want students all over this nation to protest the JeffCo CO school board policies?
The students are being taught that activism simply for the sake of activism is a patriotic thing to do. This is proof that the schools are NOT teaching kids to be objective and learn on their own. They are being turned into senseless drones. And it's the senseless drones that are the loudest and get the most attention even if they are a minority. This kid thinks students across the country should protest even if it doesn't affect them. A senseless drone just like the Occupy folks...they had no idea what they were protesting but by God, protesting is their right and it's important.
The students are being taught that activism simply for the sake of activism is a patriotic thing to do. This is proof that the schools are NOT teaching kids to be objective and learn on their own. They are being turned into senseless drones. And it's the senseless drones that are the loudest and get the most attention even if they are a minority. This kid thinks students across the country should protest even if it doesn't affect them. A senseless drone just like the Occupy folks...they had no idea what they were protesting but by God, protesting is their right and it's important.
#OccupyWallstreet #SocialMediaTraining #Hashtag
Why aren't we surprised? The smartest things the liberals did was to get young kids active and hooked onto the liberal boob. All they have to do is tweet, post links, and stand on corners to feel like they're doing something. All they know is what's trending and popular. Social media has also taught kids that the most effort you need to exert for a cause is to hashtag it...and maybe retweet it. Doing those things makes you empowered and knowledgeable.
ZERO THEORY
09-29-2014, 18:56
Home school them early. Send them to private school for middle and high school. Don't have the money for that? Stop being poor and get a better job. Help them get into Mines/Wyoming/similar STEM schools and keep them away from liberal arts. Done and done. Just that easy. Let's all go home.
Education is fucking dumb as shit.
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Bailey Guns
09-29-2014, 21:19
#sendtheteacherstotheunemploymentofficeandteachstu dentsareallessonincivicsANDeconomics
Really good article from Breitbart about this issue... And yes, it's all about the unions and the salary fight.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/24/Jefferson-County-Colorado-Teacher-s-Union-Uses-Students-As-Political-Pawns-In-Teacher-Salary-Dispute
Get back to work you F'ng crybabies. If don't like the rules...quit. Don't get me started on the dumbass kids protesting either.
If don't like the rules...quit.
Coupled with your avatar, oh I wish Rap-Sheet Rhonda would follow your advice there! [Beer]
Bailey Guns
09-30-2014, 07:56
Has anyone noticed that when the leftists protest something protest is a great, patriotic American tradition. Seems to me I recall their outlook on protest and political statements to elected leaders wasn't quite the same during the gun law debates a year or two ago. Protesters were dismissed entirely and called all sorts of names by the Hudaks and Morses in the legislature. Liberals are masters of hypocrisy and nobody is better than the teachers unions.
hollohas
09-30-2014, 08:25
Yup. And here's the catch...if the teachers actually gave the board's new policies and ideas a chance and worked harder to preform better, striving to get the very good 4.25% raise, I'm positive the schools would actually improve.
But instead the teachers will complain, strike, work against the new ideas and like the previously mentioned teacher in Douglas county, just won't try to improve because it's too hard and "not worth the effort". The result will be reduced student performance. Then when election time comes around the teacher groups and supporters will say "see, that's proof the conservative board's policies don't work, time for change." The teachers will do everything to make sure the policies fail at the expensive of the students...just because they hate the fact conservatives are on the board.
Kids are out at 92nd and Wadsworth with signs that say "keep the public in public school" and other stuff.
Union is going to try to recall the 3 conservatives on the board so the schools can return to mediocrity.
buffalobo
10-03-2014, 18:07
Wonder if all the protesters waving posters along Wadsworth had anything to do with the wrecks at 26th/Wads and 32nd/Wads? Have no clue if injuries involved but sure jacked the commute.
I laughed out loud this morning when I heard a young girl at a community meeting saying that "students are not pawns," into the microphone.
I laughed out loud this morning when I heard a young girl at a community meeting saying that "students are not pawns," into the microphone.
Oh that is rich, she hasn't read her Lenin now has she.
Another useful idiot.
I'd like to hear the teachers explain why they weren't up in arms over the previous AP History curriculum if it was so 'censored'.
sneakerd
10-04-2014, 07:15
I posted up on a FB page called Jefferson County School Board Watch, got so much vile invective and hatred back that I backed away.
BPTactical
10-04-2014, 07:30
Well you can't teach revisionist history with the truth...
Rooskibar03
10-04-2014, 12:16
Saw anti Koch Brothers signs in the crowd. WTF does that have to do with Jeffco school district?
KestrelBike
10-04-2014, 13:49
I posted up on a FB page called Jefferson County School Board Watch, got so much vile invective and hatred back that I backed away.
What did you post?
sneakerd
10-04-2014, 14:02
That the students were being used and encouraged by the teachers to protest, and is it a good example to the students to have the teachers lying every day when they call off sick, and that the AP History course stuff was just a ruse as the main issue is merit pay.
Great-Kazoo
10-04-2014, 14:40
Saw anti Koch Brothers signs in the crowd. WTF does that have to do with Jeffco school district?
Nothing in a legitimate disagreement. HOWEVER ANYTHING to mark the BOE as puppets for a right wing agenda is everything. This isn't about some history course. It's all about unions their control over the education system and the grasp they once had. Without a clear target, lefties and progressives can point to, there is nothing else to stir the pot.
This is like the hanging chad vote between Bush / Gore. iIt became a rallying point for those who believed BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION. When in fact it was a lack of D voters in Fl. Combine that with the media calling Fl for Bush 1 hour before the poll closed...........Sorry OT. Yet it all has the same Left wing drive and feel to it.
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-05-2014, 07:41
Yep. The Leftists know to never argue on our terms. Change and reframe the argument.
Drove to Lakewood Friday night, down Wadsworth, and was stuck in traffic jammed up in part to the idiot drivers slowing to honk with the protesters.
Saw what appeared to be a 3-year old propping up a sign.....
I got some interesting looks, as I flipped them off, slowly driving by. They protest, I protest.
kidicarus13
11-04-2015, 18:09
The voters have spoken... http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Jefferson/56801/156847/Web01/en/summary.html
I'm pretty bummed. I had hope that more people would see through the BS. I give the people too much credit I guess. I have to hand it to the liberals though. Apparently their values are more important to them, than ours are to us. They will stop at nothing to accomplish their goals and reach their agenda. Recalling legally elected school board members for no reason, other than disagreeing with them, is pretty shrewd, but they got it done. They lie, cheat and steal to win elections. They protest and raise Hell to get uninformed voters on their side. Conservatives won't win elections until we start playing by the same rules that they do. The problem is, by our very nature, we won't play by those rules. We're screwed, I'm afraid.
kidicarus13
11-04-2015, 19:05
Conservatives won't win elections until we start playing by the same rules that they do. The problem is, by our very nature, we won't play by those rules.
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