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SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 09:03
So I was at my boys baseball game yesterday and as you all probably know there is a diverse group of parents there watching their kids. My ex is there watching the game as well as my other boy. Its a warm and sunny afternoon and most there are in shorts. So it starts to rain and and cool down, I walk to my truck grab my umbrella and jacket and sit down to enjoy the game. My ex, who once told me I was fucking nuts for buy some food stores, is sitting there in the rain in shorts getting drenched. One of the others boys father goes to his car and brings back this big ass umbrella and some jackets and blankets for his wife and other kid. Now he has an extra umbrella and gives it to my ex-wife, soaked dog that she is. She thanks him and he says, "no problem both are cars are fully stocked with food and water and supplies to cover anything like this." To this she says, "I know where I'm going when the shit hits the fan," or something very similar to this. This is the woman that took the emergency kit I built for her and the kids out of the car before a road trip because it took up too much room. I hear this and am thinking, "if it ever goes down I'll be taking the kids and you are liven off the fat stores in your fat ass." But I digress. So back on topic, what is up with these people that think they will just show up and suck on others stuff once the SHIF comes?
Great-Kazoo
09-29-2014, 09:20
ENTITLEMENT. Remember they are the Victim.
ENTITLEMENT. Remember they are the Victim.
Yep. Why should they have to prepare for anything when others around them are doing it?
SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 10:25
Were you at Pioneer?
Yes
literally all of my east coast friends have said that too me i reply with "you may not like the reception"
Had a few coworkers say that after they hear about my food and firearm storage. I casually remind them that the firearms are to protect MY food and water. My preps are based on 4 people and 2 dogs, end of f'in story, which I also have to remind my wife of when she says she wants to start up a group with her friends in case SHTF. I'll consider it once I see them start to get their own crap together and have something to contribute.
Yes
Field #2? My son was playing there and I was the first base coach.
Had a few coworkers say that after they hear about my food and firearm storage. I casually remind them that the firearms are to protect MY food and water. My preps are based on 4 people and 2 dogs, end of f'in story, which I also have to remind my wife of when she says she wants to start up a group with her friends in case SHTF. I'll consider it once I see them start to get their own crap together and have something to contribute.
Don't you like how offended they get too when you tell them the reality of what will happen when they show up? Or that YOU are not preparing for THEM? Yeah, the wife and I gave up on people in general. Every time we associate with people we always end up with the short end of the stick. Now we only worry about us.
Great-Kazoo
09-29-2014, 12:24
The only people who know what we do, are the like minded PREPARED ones. Everyone else will follow the 300yd rule.
SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 12:37
Field #2? My son was playing there and I was the first base coach.
field 5, small world
I find it a very fine line to tread. I have a feeling that we'll have a houseful, should the SHTF - but they're not the entitled yahoos that are normally out there. We have elderly neighbors across the street, two more behind our home, an elderly widowed woman that is a neighbor, our best friends in Castle Rock that understand about prepping, but have very little room for preps...and I may be forgetting some. We have newish neighbors and I suspect they also may be preppers, but I've not found a way to bring up the subject just yet. This means I have my work cut out for me, but as we value these people and understand they may contribute as a small community, I welcome them to our little Compound. :)
Oh, and those people that suggest that "they know where they're going" when the SHTF that are NOT in the pre-approved group? I tell them we're going to be long gone by that time, and we're taking all our stuff with us. Wyoming. The Black Hills. The mountains. Whatever comes to mind first.
SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 13:21
Don't you like how offended they get too when you tell them the reality of what will happen when they show up? Or that YOU are not preparing for THEM? Yeah, the wife and I gave up on people in general. Every time we associate with people we always end up with the short end of the stick. Now we only worry about us.
I think they see them choosing you as some kind of compliment. It's going to be some big party and they are choosing yours to go to because you are the cool ones. The best thing to do is probably go along with their reality and just blow it off. Although I want to tell them to make sure they bring their daughters and wife. Their reality is so short sighted that they probably have no clue what society could be like after a few days without food and water. These encounters just re-enforce my view of how down hill things could go.
newracer
09-29-2014, 13:22
A friend of mine made that comment and he was shocked when I said I wouldn't be there and I wouldn't tell him where I'd be,
SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 13:22
I find it a very fine line to tread. I have a feeling that we'll have a houseful, should the SHTF - but they're not the entitled yahoos that are normally out there. We have elderly neighbors across the street, two more behind our home, an elderly widowed woman that is a neighbor, our best friends in Castle Rock that understand about prepping, but have very little room for preps...and I may be forgetting some. We have newish neighbors and I suspect they also may be preppers, but I've not found a way to bring up the subject just yet. This means I have my work cut out for me, but as we value these people and understand they may contribute as a small community, I welcome them to our little Compound. :)
Oh, and those people that suggest that "they know where they're going" when the SHTF that are NOT in the pre-approved group? I tell them we're going to be long gone by that time, and we're taking all our stuff with us. Wyoming. The Black Hills. The mountains. Whatever comes to mind first.
People like you give me hope.
People like you give me hope.
Nice try pal, her place sounds full. ;)
SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 13:30
Nice try pal, her place sounds full. ;)
Don't worry, I'll be fine.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 14:08
The simplest way I have found to deal with this situation, opsec. No one knows, no one asks, no one thinks to head my way. The wife will occasionally talk about it with her bonehead family, but they all live across the country, so I don't worry much about them. Otherwise, we just don't talk to anyone about it. My boys grew up doing it, so to them it is just normal living, nothing to talk about.
When I get questioned about a big purchase, I just smile and tell my tale about have lots of kids and a wife who always loves more babies. Gotta make those dollars stretch when something is on sale. Or how much I enjoy frittering away a weekend canning with my wife cause I just enjoy spending time with her. Either one gets a big dopey "awwwe, dat's so sweet" and they chalk me up as a simpleton with misplaced ideals. Which works just fine for me.
Having a wife on board with prepping and having agreement on methods certainly makes life much easier. I cannot imagine having a wife who cares not about the future and lives only for the moment.
Then again, I would not have married such a woman to begin with.
I think they see them choosing you as some kind of compliment. It's going to be some big party and they are choosing yours to go to because you are the cool ones. The best thing to do is probably go along with their reality and just blow it off. Although I want to tell them to make sure they bring their daughters and wife. Their reality is so short sighted that they probably have no clue what society could be like after a few days without food and water. These encounters just re-enforce my view of how down hill things could go.
That is probably not too far off from the truth. "Ohh everyone wants me around, why wouldn't you?", "You should be glad that someone like me would think to come to your place in a time of need." I really hate to be so isolationist, but unfortunately it is what it is. I am sure living 1000+ miles away from both sides of the family have made us this way. We have relied on ourselves for so long that we would probably live and die alone and together.
I also agree with clodhopper... OPSEC. But, there are a lot of things that people just key in on. People are really good at noticing that you are not the same as everyone else. OPSEC only goes so far.
GunsRBadMMMMKay
09-29-2014, 14:31
"The "I know were I'm going" comment"
IDK why but I thought fire and brimstone when I saw this........
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 14:45
I also agree with clodhopper... OPSEC. But, there are a lot of things that people just key in on. People are really good at noticing that you are not the same as everyone else. OPSEC only goes so far.
Opsec prevents you becoming a topic of general conversation. Low profile in everything that is different from the Joneses. For the things that stand out, develop a few cover stories, like my "too many kids" and "canning is a hobby" examples. Keep them handy and use them enough that they roll out of you smoothly and believably. You would be surprised how quickly most public aspects of prepping are quickly overlooked when the observer classifies you as a bumpkin with possibly a low level of education. Most people have a strong desire to be better/smarter/whatever than the next guy, and when you let them think they have that over you, they pat you on the head and explain, "aren't you so sweet".
I have no problem with someone I don't know (and consequently don't care about) thinking I am a simpleton.
Understand, I am "that guy" in my neighborhood. I have a lot of hobbies like 4x4ing (jeeping) and such. It is common for me to be welding in my garage, building a chicken coop out back, building a stone wall/patio, whatever. It explains why I have lots of tools and am always bringing home supplies. My neighbors have never thought that I may be a prepper. They may think I am warped in the head, but not specifically that I prep. Works for me. Course when something needs fixed, I am the one most of them ask how to do it. Most of my neighbors would be shocked to find out my education level and what I do for a living. And I am fine with that. I prefer to exude the "I have nothing you could want" atmosphere.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 14:47
Oh, and if you store your preps in the garage where the world can see them when the garage door is open..... you just might be a dumbass.
Attic, basement, rental storage unit not far from home, whatever, go figure something out other than the garage.
I probably should try doing what you are saying better than I am. Recently it is much easier to write off the general public and anyone new that I encounter. At work it is harder... I actually like those folks, so sometimes it comes out with a few like-minded individuals.
The kids on the other hand have no interest in any of it, so they are kept in the dark about it only given limited info as well. Especially now that my two have been with mom full time. Outside the circle I guess you can call it.
There's a member here, whose handle escapes me at the moment, that says, "Sure, bring your daughter."
[LOL]
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 15:16
I probably should try doing what you are saying better than I am. Recently it is much easier to write off the general public and anyone new that I encounter. At work it is harder... I actually like those folks, so sometimes it comes out with a few like-minded individuals.
The kids on the other hand have no interest in any of it, so they are kept in the dark about it as well. Especially now that my two have been with mom full time. Outside the circle I guess you can call it.
I get you on the work thing. Fortunately, I work with a few very libertarian types, and the rest are not long out of college and generally overlook anything other than I-phones and such. I have spent considerable time honing an "old codger" atmosphere. Co-workers generally see me as a hunting type who does things "old school" cause I am too old to do otherwise. I am not that old, but it works for me. It explains why I tend to always have a knife on me, and why my daily backpack seems to always have just the right thing in it. "Why you ask? Oh just old habits from being a hunter I guess."
Seriously. If you really are a prepper, you will NOT fit in with the normal dopes in life. You are typically looking at things differently and have different interests. I know it sounds a bit CIA-ish, but developing a cover story (or stories) for your habits will significantly reduce the number of inquiries in the habits you keep. If you are confident and proud to be just enough different, most will leave you alone as our PC society tends to shy away from confrontation.
Study the people you interact with on a daily, or even less than daily, basis. What people would you expect to go to a gun store and buy a case of ammo and you wouldn't think twice about it? Who would go into a grocery store and buy 72 cans of black beans at one time and it wouldn't even rank a second thought from you? These are the types of people to emulate.
I imagine my UPS driver has a better idea of my prep habits than anyone else, but I doubt he cares in the least. Impersonal on-line purchases can help keeping things on the down-low. Unless you are concerned with paper trails. It is hard to buy from Amazon with cash. Just decisions you have to make.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 15:21
When I say be different, I am referring to redneck, hunter, backwoods explorer, traditional blue-collar machinist (non-techie), or similar. Not a moly-webbed, tacticool guy. I avoid military everything whenever possible.
As the line goes...
Great. Bring your daughters.
buffalobo
09-29-2014, 15:31
I have two replies for that statement.
Your welcome, don't forget your supplies, your welcome runs out at the same time your supplies run out.
Or
Your welcome but if you don't work, you don't eat. I have two job openings, zombie bait and canon fodder.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 15:34
The kids on the other hand have no interest in any of it, so they are kept in the dark about it only given limited info as well. Especially now that my two have been with mom full time. Outside the circle I guess you can call it.
Kids can be tough. Prepping is more a way of life for my sons, so it isn't anything special to them. And why talk about boring stuff to your friends, right? It has a lot to do with their mindset. My boys have also been years in Boy Scouts, so the concept of be prepared is well understood. One method is to get them on board to prep for a weather disaster, but you continue to prep for whatever you are prepping for. Then they are at least doing something and you are not dragging them through it.
If they are as anti-prep as your wife, there may be nothing you can do. Just accept the fact and prep for yourself as best you can. Get yourself mentally centered and let the criticism roll off your duck's back. Maybe start exploring hobbies and activities that you can interest your kids in that require equipment that doubles as preps. Camping is a common one. But fishing, hunting and other outdoor activities are good. Cooking, canning, gardening? Woodwork, fabrication, welding, machining? Automotive?
Are your kids interested in engineering? Start doing Saturday fun projects (there are tons on youtube) and blend into prep related challenges. For example, lets assume all the power went out, how many things in our house can be operate with alternative energy? Ya know, go green and all that? Once they get into learning and do those kind of things, you can start working them into more prep focused projects. You get prep, they get knowledge, you both have fun doing it. I spend more time teaching my boys skills, and learning new ones with them, than I do acquiring stuff. Creative, innovative and capable means more than a case of beans and a lantern.
Oh, and those people that suggest that "they know where they're going" when the SHTF that are NOT in the pre-approved group? I tell them we're going to be long gone by that time, and we're taking all our stuff with us. Wyoming. The Black Hills. The mountains. Whatever comes to mind first.
this is going to be my new response to my friends that don't prep. It's a much nicer way of saying get lost
There's a member here, whose handle escapes me at the moment, that says, "Sure, bring your daughter."
[LOL]
spqrzilla
I get you on the work thing. Fortunately, I work with a few very libertarian types, and the rest are not long out of college and generally overlook anything other than I-phones and such. I have spent considerable time honing an "old codger" atmosphere. Co-workers generally see me as a hunting type who does things "old school" cause I am too old to do otherwise. I am not that old, but it works for me. It explains why I tend to always have a knife on me, and why my daily backpack seems to always have just the right thing in it. "Why you ask? Oh just old habits from being a hunter I guess."
Seriously. If you really are a prepper, you will NOT fit in with the normal dopes in life. You are typically looking at things differently and have different interests. I know it sounds a bit CIA-ish, but developing a cover story (or stories) for your habits will significantly reduce the number of inquiries in the habits you keep. If you are confident and proud to be just enough different, most will leave you alone as our PC society tends to shy away from confrontation.
Cover story is what I need serious work on. Not quite related, but I HATE going to meetings where you're supposed to say something interesting about yourself. I have plenty of things people would find interesting, but none I am willing to share. I always try to think of a quick lie and can never do it. I really need to get better at that.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 15:54
As the line goes...
Great. Bring your daughters.
I would have to spend a lot of time practicing that one so I could say it without busting out laughing.
Once they get into learning and do those kind of things, you can start working them into more prep focused projects. You get prep, they get knowledge, you both have fun doing it.
I was tasting the pickles I have fermenting in the crock, and my 16 year old seriously did not know that pickles were made from cucumbers. [Dunno] I have given up on kids nowadays. If I had as much information literally at the ends of my fingertips like they have? They sure as heck can remember how to get through a level in a video game by heart, or can follow a you tube channel with people jumping off buildings onto cacti or kicking each other in the nuts or settingthemselves on fire, but they do not know where pickles come from.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 16:17
I was tasting the pickles I have fermenting in the crock, and my 16 year old seriously did not know that pickles were made from cucumbers. [Dunno] I have given up on kids nowadays. If I had as much information literally at the ends of my fingertips like they have? They sure as heck can remember how to get through a level in a video game by heart, or can follow a you tube channel with people jumping off buildings onto cacti or kicking each other in the nuts or settingthemselves on fire, but they do not know where pickles come from.
"Your" 16 yo? Is that a reflection on them... or you? Not trying to be a d1ck. But, seriously? Your own kid being a dumbass as an example of failed society and not think that reflects on your parenting?
"Your" 16 yo? Is that a reflection on them... or you? Not trying to be a d1ck. But, seriously? Your own kid being a dumbass as an example of failed society and not think that reflects on your parenting?
It could you are right. This is what ASSuming what knowledge a child has gleaned from 16 years of existance on earth. Didn't actually think that I needed to conduct briefings at the dinner table of where pickles came from or similar subjects. But yeah you are right, and we are getting off topic. Feel free to PM me if you wish to provide me with more construuctive criticism.
SuperiorDG
09-29-2014, 17:00
Just to be clear to everyone, she is my EX-WIFE.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 17:10
It could you are right. This is what ASSuming what knowledge a child has gleaned from 16 years of existance on earth. Didn't actually think that I needed to conduct briefings at the dinner table of where pickles came from or similar subjects. But yeah you are right, and we are getting off topic. Feel free to PM me if you wish to provide me with more construuctive criticism.
Like I said, not trying to be a jerk to you. Sorry if I came off that way.
My kids know pickles are made from cucumbers. Because they help make them. My kids also know hamburgers come from cows, because they hunt, have friends who live on ranches, and are learning to butcher and regularly cook meals at the home.
Now, I am not saying you should raise your children like I do mine. Absolutely not. Variety of skill is more important when the that particular time comes. I would rather your kids learn stuff that I and mine don't already know. For example, I know basic automotive circuitry and home electrical wiring, but if I had to cobble together a solar system or rig up a radio, forget it, I am lost. I would need someone else in the group to handle that.
Kids are useless vacuums only because they are allowed to be. They will definitely reflect the information that you have taken the time to pour into them. My daughter is grown and gone now, but in her early teens she had to change oil, change tires, do a break job and other general maintenance on a car. Not because I expected her to always do it, but so she had a basic understanding and could if she had to. And so she could talk to a mechanic in real terms and not get taken to the cleaners. She was grumpy at the time when she had grease on her face, but now she has a great appreciation when her dumbass boyfriend has turned out to be mechanically useless.
As for back on topic:
Most of the world will not do well when things go bad. I do my best to stay off radar so when that time comes, there won't already be a line at my door. I still haven't figured out how to prevent the seekers after a shtf scenario. It will be pretty clear you are doing better than the neighbors when things are extra tight. You WILL end up in a spotlight eventually. How to deal with that? I don't live in a neighborhood of like minded people, so cobbling together a team from those around me is not likely to happen.
I know some (probably some here even) have carefully selected neighbors to create a community of like-minded individuals. That would be great, if not incredible. However, for those of us with more reasonable incomes...... I cannot afford to relocate even as much as I would like to. So I am still trying to figure that out.
clodhopper
09-29-2014, 17:12
edit - "brake" job. Edit function won't work for some reason. I am enough of a tard without you guys thinking I believe a car is slowed by using the breaks.
Great-Kazoo
09-29-2014, 17:19
spqrzilla
Cover story is what I need serious work on. Not quite related, but I HATE going to meetings where you're supposed to say something interesting about yourself. I have plenty of things people would find interesting, but none I am willing to share. I always try to think of a quick lie and can never do it. I really need to get better at that.
Easy.
You're an outdoorsy guy, who makes sure the area he walked through, is cleaner than when you went in.
When not working or spending quality time with your family, there's always the phone calls for your local charity. After all if we cannot help each other, how can we help our self.
That's all you need to say.
OR you're a survivalist kind of guy who will do anything to protect what's yours. If any of you believe i'll share what i have, picture your rotten corpse plastered across the mail box, from my 12ga
clodhopper
09-30-2014, 08:20
Ok.
...cross kazoo off the "go to" list........
[Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
09-30-2014, 09:21
Ok.
...cross kazoo off the "go to" list........
[Coffee]
Kind friend we're an open tent.
Everyone's welcome. Crossing 25 and any other road leading in to town, that's another story.
OR you're a survivalist kind of guy who will do anything to protect what's yours. If any of you believe i'll share what i have, picture your rotten corpse plastered across the mail box, from my 12ga
Hey Neighbor! I noticed you putting a whole bunch of flag poles in your yard. You planning on flying that many flags?
No, dude these are for all the folks who think they "know where they are going when SHTF." Just call me rbeau30 "the Impaler".
I still haven't figured out how to prevent the seekers after a shtf scenario.
It will still be mostly facade. When we talk about "defense" we also include this idea of not making ourselves an inviting target. When considering a place where we shelter, this come in two basic flavors...hard target and undesirable. Hard targets will have distance and normal tactical advantage elements like lights, alarms, dogs, etc. In a SHTF scenario, any engagement is undesirable to say the least and the hard target will likely be viewed as having desirable supplies. So the presentation of the facade should be slanted towards the undesirable.
buffalobo
09-30-2014, 10:15
Ass, gas or grass, nobody rides for free. [emoji33]
clodhopper
09-30-2014, 11:05
It will still be mostly facade. When we talk about "defense" we also include this idea of not making ourselves an inviting target. When considering a place where we shelter, this come in two basic flavors...hard target and undesirable. Hard targets will have distance and normal tactical advantage elements like lights, alarms, dogs, etc. In a SHTF scenario, any engagement is undesirable to say the least and the hard target will likely be viewed as having desirable supplies. So the presentation of the facade should be slanted towards the undesirable.
So, like, slather your house in feces and hang up some biohazard signs?
So, like, slather your house in feces and hang up some biohazard signs?
Actually a couple boarded up front windows with black paint or soot around the window openings, and up onto the eaves/soffits would do a fine job replicating an interior fire.
I was going to do something similar to my house when my wife was out of town for two weeks.
ronaldrwl
09-30-2014, 14:31
I heard on the radio today about some presidential order #####? that gives the government the right to enter your house and take food and supplies if needed.
I heard it on the Glen Beck show I believe. Anyone else heard of this?
I heard on the radio today about some presidential order #####? that gives the government the right to enter your house and take food and supplies if needed.
I heard it on the Glen Beck show I believe. Anyone else heard of this?
Hey long time no see Ron.
Phil Hendrie did a pretty funny skit with Bobbie Dooley (president of the HOA) who would go around to the houses in her neighborhood and confiscate food if she felt like people had too much. She would then keep it for herself and argued that her growing boys needed the food more than the people who originally had it did.
clodhopper
09-30-2014, 14:44
I heard on the radio today about some presidential order #####? that gives the government the right to enter your house and take food and supplies if needed.
I heard it on the Glen Beck show I believe. Anyone else heard of this?
Executive Order 13603. Didn't hear it on Glenn Beck, but elsewhere on AM radio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
I skimmed these but it didn't pop out that the .gov can take your personal stores specifically. Course there are no specifics anywhere in the document. Maybe it can be interpreted that way. If things are to the point where the .gov needs your personal stores, I doubt they would really need an EO to justify it.
So if a Judge declares that "you" are a threat to national security (because you are a white middle-aged man with an AR who went to church a few times and drives a gas guzzler) they can come take your beer and potato chips without due process?
Its there. Its in the eo about fema if I recall
There has been one hording conviction that I know of
Executive Order 13603. Didn't hear it on Glenn Beck, but elsewhere on AM radio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
I skimmed these but it didn't pop out that the .gov can take your personal stores specifically. Course there are no specifics anywhere in the document. Maybe it can be interpreted that way. If things are to the point where the .gov needs your personal stores, I doubt they would really need an EO to justify it.
The Secretary of each resource department, when necessary, shall make the finding required under section 101(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(b). This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Upon such approval, the Secretary of the resource department that made the finding may use the authority of section 101(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(a), to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market.
Sounds like that is talking about controlling distribution of goods. So as long as you are not distributing anything, will you be bothered? I have a feeling that part of distributing, is obtaining as well.
thvigil11
09-30-2014, 16:43
Sounds like that is talking about controlling distribution of goods. So as long as you are not distributing anything, will you be bothered? I have a feeling that part of distributing, is obtaining as well.
Your quote reminds me of this for some reason.
"I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that."
As far as the possible implications of the Ex Order. They tend to broadly interpret the law as far as what they can do, and strictly interpret the law when it comes to what the peons can do.
SuperiorDG
09-30-2014, 17:41
I don't like this EX stuff. The majority of society is unprepared and will think these orders are fine. The prepared will be in the minority and will have few left to stand up for them.
sellersm
09-30-2014, 17:52
There's much debate 'out there' about which EO can take our stuff. Some say the EO 10998 is dangerous. Others cite the National Defense Resources Preparedness EO (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness).
Here's one article: http://codegreenprep.com/2013/06/the-present-legal-support-for-seizing-our-food-and-other-supplies/
Bottom line? If one of the alphabet agencies wants your stuff, they can try to take it whether or not there's an EO or law that gives them authority. Their authority is in their firepower...
Bottom line? If one of the alphabet agencies wants your stuff, they can try to take it whether or not there's an EO or law that gives them authority. Their authority is in their firepower...
Bingo. Another reason for not letting too many know. Unfortunately I tried to make friends at my office and have had people over for BBQ's and people saw some of my stores. Haven't had many parties even with friends recently, and have been dropping hints that some of the stuff went away to make room for expanding my cave. I really have to wonder about those who went on reality shows advertising what they have.
HoneyBadger
09-30-2014, 19:03
I've only directly received this comment on one occasion, and it was when a bunch of military friends helped us move 2 year ago. I basically told them that if that was their plan, they had better make it worth my time.
In my mind, knowledge, wisdom, trade-able goods, MacGyver skills, friendship, and other things could all be considered "worth my time", but it would depend on the circumstances and the personal value that I place on the good or service at the time.
ETA: as far as OPSEC goes, I try not to ever reveal anything of the sort to strangers, but if I discover that someone I like shared the mutual interest, I might say something like, "Yeah, it really is smart to be prepared. We get some crazy weather in Colorado!" If someone was prying, I would also use the weather and recent disasters in Colorado to justify it. "I was on the pre-evac list when the Black Forest Fire was less than 2 miles from my house... I don't want to be caught unprepared for another mess like that."
I've only directly received this comment on one occasion, and it was when a bunch of military friends helped us move 2 year ago. I basically told them that if that was their plan, they had better make it worth my time.
In my mind, knowledge, wisdom, trade-able goods, MacGyver skills, friendship, and other things could all be considered "worth my time", but it would depend on the circumstances and the personal value that I place on the good or service at the time.
ETA: as far as OPSEC goes, I try not to ever reveal anything of the sort to strangers, but if I discover that someone I like shared the mutual interest, I might say something like, "Yeah, it really is smart to be prepared. We get some crazy weather in Colorado!" If someone was prying, I would also use the weather and recent disasters in Colorado to justify it. "I was on the pre-evac list when the Black Forest Fire was less than 2 miles from my house... I don't want to be caught unprepared for another mess like that."
Those reasons are entirely plausible! I've use the fires as reasons when I stock up; I also have used the excuse of the electrical fire we had a couple of years ago. We also send a lot of care packages overseas; you could always say something similar (...although if you don't send a care package overseas to one of our troops after that, karma's going to get you!)
You can hide preps in many places that people wouldn't think to look. Under the bed, in opaque covered containers with innocuous and disinteresting labels ("extra towels" "winter clothing" "holiday cards 2000-2013" "kitchen gadgets" "school papers" and the like), in the back corner of coat closets and so on. Think about where company (both planned and unplanned) does NOT normally go (the furnace room? a child's closet? an awkward lower cabinet in your kitchen?) and tuck things away.
I store all of my extra kleenax, dryer lint, and gasoline in the furnace room.
HoneyBadger
09-30-2014, 21:56
I store all of my extra kleenax, dryer lint, and gasoline in the furnace room.
Coming soon: insurance fraud at the Irving house! lol
Great-Kazoo
09-30-2014, 22:43
Coming soon: insurance fraud at the Irving house! lol
He'll probably has pictures cataloged and ready.
I give that advice, I don't take it. I'm trying to get rid of stuff right now; WAY too much clutter.
muddywings
10-01-2014, 10:53
It will still be mostly facade. When we talk about "defense" we also include this idea of not making ourselves an inviting target. When considering a place where we shelter, this come in two basic flavors...hard target and undesirable. Hard targets will have distance and normal tactical advantage elements like lights, alarms, dogs, etc. In a SHTF scenario, any engagement is undesirable to say the least and the hard target will likely be viewed as having desirable supplies. So the presentation of the facade should be slanted towards the undesirable.
http://jeffalderdice.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/what-do-the-spray-painted-markings-on-the-houses-mean/
my garage door will be marked per the example but with "2 dead" and "bio haz"
kinda kidding...kinda not
HoneyBadger
10-01-2014, 11:52
Nice try pal, her place sounds full. ;)
http://jeffalderdice.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/what-do-the-spray-painted-markings-on-the-houses-mean/
my garage door will be marked per the example but with "2 dead" and "bio haz"
kinda kidding...kinda not
If it comes to that, I will gladly make my place look like unappealing trash.
buffalobo
10-01-2014, 12:03
If it comes to that, I will gladly make my place look like unappealing trash.
Advantage to being redneck, already half way there. [emoji33]
clodhopper
10-01-2014, 14:44
Advantage to being redneck, already half way there. [emoji33]
Screw you. It is my yard, I can keep it however I like.
:)
buffalobo
10-01-2014, 14:59
Screw you. It is my yard, I can keep it however I like.
:)
[emoji106]
But if you keep keep it too nice it is more effort to make it undesirable. Us rednecks start half way there.
Unless you have an hoa. Or you manage to piss off the city code enforcement guy by calling him on his bullshit
And then I doubled down by having a meeting with his boss.
thvigil11
10-01-2014, 15:02
That's why some of us choose to live in the middle of nowhere.
clodhopper
10-01-2014, 15:13
The partially disassembled vehicles on my front lawn double as trip wire alternatives. There is an over-arching plan behind the whole thing. Trust me. There is thought behind what, to the untrained eye, appears to be a junk jumble monument to laziness.
68Charger
10-01-2014, 15:21
what if you live in the middle of nowhere, so they can't even get close enough to see how trashy your yard looks? [gohome]
For someone to see spray paint markings on my house, they've already been trespassing for over a quarter mile...
I've gotten the "I know where I'm going" comment before, frequently because of where I live- generally they're one of these categories:
1) Friends that don't have the means to take care of themselves right now, much less after SHTF
2) Friends that are afraid the city will go to SHTF, but it may be safe where I live.
3) other preppers looking for a plan B or C
I usually meet it with, we'll all need help, what can you bring to the party?
group 1 realisitically can't bring anything but labor- depending on my trust level and opinion of their skills, that may help- i.e. I personally can't keep watch 24/7 alone- and my wife/kids lack tactical skills to asses things and would be waking me up too much
group 2 must bring some kind of supplies- and preferably a travel trailer or RV for them to live in... they have means now, so I tell them to plan on what they bring- I present it as "if you just show up, we'll all die after running out of supplies", to avoid bringing up the reality that they'll likely be on their own for that reason.
group 3 usually wants to talk about what they'll bring, and may even ask what I anticipate what I would need more than anything
clodhopper
10-01-2014, 16:10
what if you live in the middle of nowhere, so they can't even get close enough to see how trashy your yard looks? [gohome]
For someone to see spray paint markings on my house, they've already been trespassing for over a quarter mile...
I've gotten the "I know where I'm going" comment before, frequently because of where I live- generally they're one of these categories:
1) Friends that don't have the means to take care of themselves right now, much less after SHTF
2) Friends that are afraid the city will go to SHTF, but it may be safe where I live.
3) other preppers looking for a plan B or C
I usually meet it with, we'll all need help, what can you bring to the party?
group 1 realisitically can't bring anything but labor- depending on my trust level and opinion of their skills, that may help- i.e. I personally can't keep watch 24/7 alone- and my wife/kids lack tactical skills to asses things and would be waking me up too much
group 2 must bring some kind of supplies- and preferably a travel trailer or RV for them to live in... they have means now, so I tell them to plan on what they bring- I present it as "if you just show up, we'll all die after running out of supplies", to avoid bringing up the reality that they'll likely be on their own for that reason.
group 3 usually wants to talk about what they'll bring, and may even ask what I anticipate what I would need more than anything
Group 3. Have RV and plenty to offer, but currently stationed in less than optimal suburbia. Always exploring plans B and C. Well D, E, F and G too.
Great-Kazoo
10-01-2014, 16:33
If it comes to that, I will gladly make my place look like unappealing trash.
Your HOA allow SHTF scenario's ?
Great-Kazoo
10-01-2014, 16:38
Group 3. Have RV and plenty to offer, but currently stationed in less than optimal suburbia. Always exploring plans B and C. Well D, E, F and G too.
You're welcome here. Having 1 more vehicle to block the roadway is always useful. Know how to operate a diesel locomotive?
68Charger
10-01-2014, 16:52
You're welcome here. Having 1 more vehicle to block the roadway is always useful. Know how to operate a diesel locomotive?
[ROFL1] doesn't do much good without rails- maybe that works for you, but not here..
I have multiple 6000#+ vehicles that can block the drive, and my house is in a VERY defensible position (as evaluated by an Army Ranger specializing in camp setup)
As we're all aware, it would depend in the situation- trying to get from Loveland to Penrose (thru/around Denver and COS) would be difficult in many scenarios...
but if it made sense under the circumstances, I'd have to know who I'm dealing with...
I should look into HAM (being an Engineer, test should be cake)... in case infrastructure makes other comms fail
68Charger
10-01-2014, 16:58
Group 3. Have RV and plenty to offer, but currently stationed in less than optimal suburbia. Always exploring plans B and C. Well D, E, F and G too.
maybe we need some kind of group that meets to work out networks like this... I generally have a "bug-in" mentality, since I'm in a position where any issues outside of local natural disasters would make my location more desirable... which is why I've had people approach me. My "bug-out" plans are limited to local natural disasters (we've had our driveway nearly taken out by floods far from the house- plans worked fine for that one)
mcantar18c
10-01-2014, 16:59
I don't see it as a plan A, B, C, etc... more of a standard if/then kinda thing. If at all possible, I'm going to attempt to link up with a very experienced guy with a very interesting background and that I met in Bagram who lives in COS.
68Charger
10-01-2014, 17:02
I don't see it as a plan A, B, C, etc... more of a standard if/then kinda thing. If at all possible, I'm going to attempt to link up with a very experienced guy with a very interesting background and that I met in Bagram who lives in COS.
and if he's at ground zero?
It's all about thinking worst case, and what ifs...
Don't get me wrong- My main plans involve depending on ME... I probably need to have more plans that involve taking care of my family if "ME" is taken out for some reason
mcantar18c
10-01-2014, 17:14
And if he's at ground zero/then I'll reanalyze the situation and decide on the best option from there. I keep a number of options available, and it's all if/then...situationally dependent, rather than prioritized. With his capabilities and assets, linking up with him is generally the most desirable plan in a situation, but we're not committed to anything and if it's not reasonable then that's that.
And if he's at ground zero/then I'll reanalyze the situation and decide on the best option from there. I keep a number of options available, and it's all if/then...situationally dependent, rather than prioritized. With his capabilities and assets, linking up with him is generally the most desirable plan in a situation, but we're not committed to anything and if it's not reasonable then that's that.
What if he started a thread about you telling him, "If SHTF, I'm coming to your place!"
mcantar18c
10-01-2014, 17:21
What if he started a thread about you telling him, "If SHTF, I'm coming to your place!"
Then I'd be curious why he left COS and moved to Wheat Ridge.
ETA: He told me to come, not the other way around.
clodhopper
10-01-2014, 17:22
You're welcome here. Having 1 more vehicle to block the roadway is always useful. Know how to operate a diesel locomotive?
Appreciate the offer, but the shotgun/mailbox thing is a concern for me. :)
As for a locomotive, not yet. But give me a few minutes and I'll get it moving once the air pressure comes up.
I should look into HAM (being an Engineer, test should be cake)... in case infrastructure makes other comms fail
Same boat. It is on the list of "Things I need to do...."
maybe we need some kind of group that meets to work out networks like this... I generally have a "bug-in" mentality, since I'm in a position where any issues outside of local natural disasters would make my location more desirable... which is why I've had people approach me. My "bug-out" plans are limited to local natural disasters (we've had our driveway nearly taken out by floods far from the house- plans worked fine for that one)
I would be interested in meeting others. Course, you all might be a bunch of loons that I want no part of.
Plan A is bug in. But there always comes a limit to that plan. Plan B is somewhat hashed out (sorry, opsec on that one). Plan C is in development.
Kazoo might be plan D, depending on the mailbox and train issues. :)
Great-Kazoo
10-01-2014, 19:04
Appreciate the offer, but the shotgun/mailbox thing is a concern for me. :)
As for a locomotive, not yet. But give me a few minutes and I'll get it moving once the air pressure comes up.
Same boat. It is on the list of "Things I need to do...."
Kazoo might be plan D, depending on the mailbox and train issues. :)
By the time you enacted plan D, i doubt there would be a roadway passable from there to here. My family is going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< That way. >>>^^^<<<<^^^>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
mcantar18c
10-01-2014, 19:52
I say we create an underground tunnel network between all of our properties.
68Charger
10-01-2014, 20:04
I would be interested in meeting others. Course, you all might be a bunch of loons that I want no part of.
Plan A is bug in. But there always comes a limit to that plan. Plan B is somewhat hashed out (sorry, opsec on that one). Plan C is in development.
Kazoo might be plan D, depending on the mailbox and train issues. :)
EXACTLY the problem... unless you really know them, and I mean REALLY know them- like one family that is group 1, I know wayy too much about them, and would trust them to help, but his oldest child would really have to prove himself... there would be a "come to Jesus" meeting (not literally) to make him realize what is expected of him
I would never post all of my plans online, totally agree with opsec...
I think about these things... and I've determined the only way to really trust someone is to know them.
There is a difference between wanting to help your fellow man, and the right way to do it- unfortunately, we live in an evil world.
HoneyBadger
10-01-2014, 20:30
Your HOA allow SHTF scenario's ?
Nope! ;)
HoneyBadger
10-01-2014, 20:36
I should look into HAM (being an Engineer, test should be cake)... in case infrastructure makes other comms fail
Ham test is easy peasy for anyone with some basic background in electrical engineering, physics, EM spectrum, etc.
Great-Kazoo
10-01-2014, 21:11
Ham test is easy peasy for anyone with some basic background in electrical engineering, physics, EM spectrum, etc.
Quantum Theory help ? i'm rusty in EE.
clodhopper
10-01-2014, 22:09
Quantum Theory help ? i'm rusty in EE.
Same. There are gobs of engineers around who don't do electrical stuff. I am one of them. Really good at other types of engineering, but most electrical stuff makes my eyes glaze over.
HoneyBadger
10-02-2014, 14:59
Same. There are gobs of engineers around who don't do electrical stuff. I am one of them. Really good at other types of engineering, but most electrical stuff makes my eyes glaze over.
Do you undestand basic electromagnetic principles?
Also, there are several free and paid sites designed to prepare you for the Ham technician's test.
ETA: there are young kids who pass the test every day... it's not very difficult.
68Charger
10-02-2014, 15:14
once they lifted Morse code as a requirement it got easier... that was a lot of memorization
lead_magnet
10-05-2014, 05:28
I don't get the point in all the "preper" stuff...I thought the whole idea was to loot and pillage off of all the "prepared" people? Or is that just me?
No need for a 4x4 truck I say, like 7 of my neighbors have one.
What's the point of living though all the pillaging if you don't get to enjoy the burning down of houses and looting of other's property? You guys are boring :P
/troll
I don't get the point in all the "preper" stuff...I thought the whole idea was to loot and pillage off of all the "prepared" people? Or is that just me?
No need for a 4x4 truck I say, like 7 of my neighbors have one.
What's the point of living though all the pillaging if you don't get to enjoy the burning down of houses and looting of other's property? You guys are boring :P
/troll
Ah yes, the viking approach to SHTF survival. [Viking] Loot, rape and pillage.
68Charger
10-05-2014, 08:32
They raped the fields, and pillaged the women... That's evil men
spqrzilla
10-16-2014, 22:24
I didn't originate the phrase in my signature line. But I've certainly used it since I found it. At least once with great sincerity.
I would have to spend a lot of time practicing that one so I could say it without busting out laughing.
It really does not take that much practice ... if you are a talented asshole like me.
68Charger
10-17-2014, 08:42
It really does not take that much practice ... if you are a talented asshole like me.
Sounds like a better tag than your current "unmolested" one.. [LOL]
Aloha_Shooter
10-17-2014, 10:00
I'm a Scout leader and firearms instructor for the Council. That explains virtually everything I have, should anyone bother to ask. Since no one but my family gets to see everything I have, it's a moot point. You can barely tell when I'm home so it'd be hard for anyone to tell I'm bugging in until they notice the pile of bodies on the driveway.
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