My anti/pro GMO non-rant

[GilpinGuy]

FYI: This is not meant to be a pro/anti GMO ballot question thread. It’s not meant to be a pro/anti Monsanto thread either, though I understand that both might creep in. Let’s try not to focus on the sterile seed issue and focus on the health issue. And yes, I did a search and read a bunch of the other stuff posted about this. Still confused here.

I have heard and read anti-GMO and pro-GMO propaganda for years and I never really thought too much about it. I figured the anti stuff is mostly pot-hazed hippie BS that I got away from decades ago and wasn’t really interested. I figured a green bell pepper is just that. WTF is the problem? These days I’m more interested in self reliance and GMO stuff comes up quite a bit so I’m interested now.

I’ve read that GMO veggies will shrink your nuts, give you cancer, cause birth defects, blind you, etc., etc. The sky is falling and we’re all doomed. I’ve also read that without GMO, we’d have a hard time actually feeding ourselves with ever-expanding population – never mind what we export – and that they are harmless. After all, the Gov’t lets us eat it, so it can’t be that bad.

Like most topics, I suspect that the truth is in the middle somewhere. Here’s what I think. But I’m no super-g that’s for sure.

Now, there is selective breeding, cross breeding, etc. IMHO, this is not GMO. Crossing a German Shepherd with a Black Lab doesn’t produce a GMO dog, right? Neither does crossing a XX corn with YY corn to make bigger corn. Shit, we’ve been doing that for thousands of years. So this is a non-issue for me. Hell, the Shepherd might have hit the bitch Lab all on his own without human intervention. Good for him.

But taking a gene from an amoeba and splicing it into a corn gene so it’s resistant to this or that is different – to me, that’s “Genetically Modifying” something in a laboratory. This is what I consider GMO.

So, there are a few things to consider:

If the amoeba’s gene causes a resistance to some pesticide and its gene is combined with the corn so that farmers can saturate the corn with pesticides to deter pests, that can be bad. The pesticides could be bad to us humans who eat the corn. Or it could not be bad. It depends on the pesticide, I suppose.

But what if that amoeba’s gene causes a resistance to a naturally occurring pest (worm, mite, etc.) that attacks the corn? Is that so bad? As long as it doesn’t have any harmful effects on humans, why wouldn’t we embrace this kind of GMO? With this I’ve read “totally bad” because of the gene being passed to other organisms like bees, etc., but I’ve also read the “totally harmless” argument.

To be honest, most of the “the sky is falling” folks sound like the hippie freaks I disassociated with years ago. But there may be something to some of this. I guess I’m confused. GMO bad or good? Yeah, I think it depends, just like most things.

I’ve made it 44 years with my nuts intact, my baby is as healthy as can be, I have my eyesight, and there’s tons of veggies in the store right now, so I’m not freaking out about a damn thing regarding GMO food. But it is interesting to hear both sides. But when I can grow my own non-GMO veggies, you’re damn right I’m going to, just to be safe.

[Great-Kazoo]

As i posted in the L&P , how you voting/ ballot thread. You should be more concerned where your produce, fish, and meat is coming from. Not to mention dried & canned goods. Think those OOPS, contaminated bags of dog food and lead paint in children's toys from china was a mistake? Even more disappointing, was the lack of public outcry and no response from HHS over it.

[Kraven251]

The biggest issue with the gene spliced food is the testing and research. Chances are it is nothing, but the question becomes is this going to create a new protein that is deadly and contaminate the food stock with a corn plant that looks just like another corn plant but is pure poison etc.

...but aside from that scenario there is really very little it can do otherwise, especially after it is cooked/processed.

[HoneyBadger]

My real concern with GMOs is the money behind them. "Corn" as we know it today is heavily modified in various ways to become any number of different end products, from corn syrup to ethanol that goes in your gas. Certain companies/industries can obviously benefit from such "advances," but are they really in the best interest of the people? regular consumption of HFCS (High-fructose corn syrup) is a huge contributing factor for diabetes. Burning ethanol in most car engines has been shown to shorten the life of the engine substantially. Corn itself has limited nutritional value, and is packed with sugar (which really is the devil of the food world). Why do we use and consume these products?

On the other hand, growing crops more efficiently with GMO techniques is a huge money-saver for the consumer. GMOs could potentially offer other neat or useful properties, such as apples and bananas that will keep for weeks before going bad (I'm pretty sure this is already a thing). The possibilities here really are endless....

[vossman]

That said, I have just about 0% belief in any personal negative harm. I'm not going to sprout a tumor nor a french fry hand.

I wish I'd sprout a French fry hand. I love them things.

[Great-Kazoo]

I wish I'd sprout a French fry hand. I love them things.

Regular, curly or waffle ?

[68Charger]

One specific case where I have a concern with GMO is the production of HFCS.

The process requires a GMO Enzyme that turns glucose into fructose. Imagine if this enzyme got into your liver intact... your liver processes fructose to make glucose, and this enzyme turns it back to fructose- and you have an on-going loop where at best you wind up with insulin resistance.

My parents and at least 2 uncles had type 2 diabetes by the time they were my age... I have tried to eliminate as much HFCS as possible, and my A1C test results are excellent.

Now is it just because I've reduced my sugar intake overall? maybe. But nobody could argue that HFCS has any redeeming value as an ingredient in food- it's only value is that it's cheap.

[Bailey Guns]

Just like GMO foods I've various arguments about HFCS. Some say it's the worst thing ever, others say it's really no worse than many other things.

Personally, I'm pretty sure I've been eating GMO foods for about 50 years and don't see any harm to it. It's not something I'm going to worry about when I go to the grocery store and grab a bag of fruit or vegetables. Probably far worse dietary threats out there that most people don't think twice about such as processed and pre-prepared foods. The amount of sodium that can be consumed in just a day is staggering and likely presents a threat just as bad as HFCS. But it sure tastes good.

And I'm now at the age where I have to really watch my intake of sodium and sugars. A1c was just slightly elevated...not enough to cause concern but enough to start thinking about lowering it. Unfortunately I could eat only bread and pasta and other carbs and be totally happy.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just like GMO foods I've various arguments about HFCS. Some say it's the worst thing ever, others say it's really no worse than many other things.

Personally, I'm pretty sure I've been eating GMO foods for about 50 years and don't see any harm to it. It's not something I'm going to worry about when I go to the grocery store and grab a bag of fruit or vegetables. Probably far worse dietary threats out there that most people don't think twice about such as processed and pre-prepared foods. The amount of sodium that can be consumed in just a day is staggering and likely presents a threat just as bad as HFCS. But it sure tastes good.

And I'm now at the age where I have to really watch my intake of sodium and sugars. A1c was just slightly elevated...not enough to cause concern but enough to start thinking about lowering it. Unfortunately I could eat only bread and pasta and other carbs and be totally happy.

I had to do low cholesterol a few years back. EVERYTHING that was LC was high Sodium and vice versa.

[Rucker61]

Budreaux: I had an uncle that raised GMO chickens with four drumsticks.
Clereaux: How did they taste?
Budreaux: No idea. Never could catch one.

[RblDiver]

As a general principle, I don't mind GMOs. I feel there's probably a lot more hype than substance. Heck, anything can cause cancer, just ask California, everything causes cancer there!

And after all, to a starving kid in Africa, would they rather have a GMO ear of corn, or be told "You can't have that corn, because if you eat 10 pounds of it a day every day for 30 years you'll get cancer?"

[roberth]

Thank you for this thread.

I don't concern myself with GMO, like BG said, I've been eating it for 50 years and i'm in good health.

[Dave_L]

I only see this as a way to get rid of the farmers and those "not playing ball". GMO's aren't going anywhere. Population is too big. So labeling them isn't really doing anything besides making another obstacle for the locals to jump over. Just like the gun crap. Create a fear, use it to legislate. IF we really cared about GMO's and our health, McDonalds, Burger King etc would be out of business.

I could be way off though.

[Jer]

If it wasn't for GMO/Monsanto our food costs would be such that only the most wealthy could afford to eat three meals a day. I'm not saying I'm all for them but we don't have a better answer currently. I also feel that the GMO talking point has been done to death by those who watch loser TV all day and buy everything fed to them hook, line and sinker w/o even questioning. Until there is independent research done that PROVES unequivocally that that it's bad for us or causes any harm at all... STFU. Not you or anyone in this thread just in general. I'm SO sick of GMO this and GMO that and to me it's just an arbitrary set of letters because I have seen nothing that shows it's actually bad for us. Having a more firm understanding of the human body than most I find it hard to believe that GMO means bad automatically. It sounds bad if taken at face value and if you blindly subscribe to whatever fear mongering the masses are currently pushing but if you really look at it logically and honestly... where's the danger? People don't realize that w/o GMO/Monsanto we would have been bankrupt as a country probably decades ago as food prices would have sky-rocketed to an unimaginable figure based on current population and food demands.

This flip side to this coin is that food labels should be SIMPLE and easy to understand for everyone. Every time we add a new law requiring another label or measurement it makes things just a little bit more complicated. So from that aspect is adding something that we can't even prove affects you one way or the other a good idea? To me... no. Now if it's somehow proven to be bad for you to ANY degree then we have a discussion to have. Until then it's just knee-jerk by the brainwashed masses IMO.

[CO Hugh]

I don't think it causes any harm. Ironic how it is yuppie housewives raising the panic. They are fat and happy and have no idea how agricultural advances feed billions.
I saw someone post that they thought microwaving food changed it chemically, such that it harms people. Oyy!!

[Zundfolge]

[too lazy to use meme generator]
Genetically modify plants and animals for thousands of years with selective breeding and nobody bats an eye.
[photo of Heath Ledger as the Joker]
Genetically modify plants and animals with some beakers and a Bunsen burner and everyone loses their minds.
[/too lazy to use meme generator]

[ZERO THEORY]

sugar (which really is the devil of the food world)

In terms of body composition, there is no difference between simple sugar and other carbohydrate sources. Furthermore, assuming you utilize the carbs or glycogen stores before they are converted to fat, the body response in negligible. Some will site a deviance in cortisol or insulin, but assuming you actually get regular strenuous cardiovascular, respiratory, and musculo-skeletal exercise, sugar poses you no threat and is actually a highly-effective short term fuel source.

[Ronin13]

[too lazy to use meme generator]
Genetically modify plants and animals for thousands of years with selective breeding and nobody bats an eye.
[photo of Heath Ledger as the Joker]
Genetically modify plants and animals with some beakers and a Bunsen burner and everyone loses their minds.
[/too lazy to use meme generator]
[LOL] That's good!

[68Charger]

My real concern with GMOs is the money behind them. "Corn" as we know it today is heavily modified in various ways to become any number of different end products, from corn syrup to ethanol that goes in your gas. Certain companies/industries can obviously benefit from such "advances," but are they really in the best interest of the people? regular consumption of HFCS (High-fructose corn syrup) is a huge contributing factor for diabetes. Burning ethanol in most car engines has been shown to shorten the life of the engine substantially. Corn itself has limited nutritional value, and is packed with sugar
Technically, Corn has very little sugars- but you're close- they are simple starches... which are easily converted to simple sugars a human body.


Just like GMO foods I've various arguments about HFCS. Some say it's the worst thing ever, others say it's really no worse than many other things.

Personally, I'm pretty sure I've been eating GMO foods for about 50 years and don't see any harm to it. It's not something I'm going to worry about when I go to the grocery store and grab a bag of fruit or vegetables. Probably far worse dietary threats out there that most people don't think twice about such as processed and pre-prepared foods. The amount of sodium that can be consumed in just a day is staggering and likely presents a threat just as bad as HFCS. But it sure tastes good.

And I'm now at the age where I have to really watch my intake of sodium and sugars. A1c was just slightly elevated...not enough to cause concern but enough to start thinking about lowering it. Unfortunately I could eat only bread and pasta and other carbs and be totally happy.
I'll sum up this entire post (which is a good post) by saying that my metabolisim is not the same as yours...
I can pass fats like shit through a goose (and it feels like that, too). but if I eat excess carbs, I better burn them, or I'm going to drive up my LDL and triglyceride levels very quick...


I had to do low cholesterol a few years back. EVERYTHING that was LC was high Sodium and vice versa.
by LC I think you mean Low cholesterol? doesn't matter what my cholesterol intake is, I'll make my own (along with Triglycerides) if I consume too much carbs/.


I don't think it causes any harm. Ironic how it is yuppie housewives raising the panic. They are fat and happy and have no idea how agricultural advances feed billions.
I saw someone post that they thought microwaving food changed it chemically, such that it harms people. Oyy!!
I've run into this before, and it's just DFS... they are confusing microwaves with Ionizing radiation... and they are orders of magnitude different!


In terms of body composition, there is no difference between simple sugar and other carbohydrate sources. Furthermore, assuming you utilize the carbs or glycogen stores before they are converted to fat, the body response in negligible. Some will site a deviance in cortisol or insulin, but assuming you actually get regular strenuous cardiovascular, respiratory, and musculo-skeletal exercise, sugar poses you no threat and is actually a highly-effective short term fuel source.
Quoted for truth- but you're missing the simple explanation- don't eat simple carbs unless you can burn them in the next 2 hours!


If it wasn't for GMO/Monsanto our food costs would be such that only the most wealthy could afford to eat three meals a day. I'm not saying I'm all for them but we don't have a better answer currently. I also feel that the GMO talking point has been done to death by those who watch loser TV all day and buy everything fed to them hook, line and sinker w/o even questioning. Until there is independent research done that PROVES unequivocally that that it's bad for us or causes any harm at all... STFU. Not you or anyone in this thread just in general. I'm SO sick of GMO this and GMO that and to me it's just an arbitrary set of letters because I have seen nothing that shows it's actually bad for us. Having a more firm understanding of the human body than most I find it hard to believe that GMO means bad automatically. It sounds bad if taken at face value and if you blindly subscribe to whatever fear mongering the masses are currently pushing but if you really look at it logically and honestly... where's the danger? People don't realize that w/o GMO/Monsanto we would have been bankrupt as a country probably decades ago as food prices would have sky-rocketed to an unimaginable figure based on current population and food demands.

This flip side to this coin is that food labels should be SIMPLE and easy to understand for everyone. Every time we add a new law requiring another label or measurement it makes things just a little bit more complicated. So from that aspect is adding something that we can't even prove affects you one way or the other a good idea? To me... no. Now if it's somehow proven to be bad for you to ANY degree then we have a discussion to have. Until then it's just knee-jerk by the brainwashed masses IMO.
This would be a perfect argument, except that many GMO organizations use many MILLIONS of dollars to influence law in their favor...
if it was such a great choice in the first place, why would it need such political influence to succeed?

I'm not anti capitalism, but if there is corruption, I'll call it for what it is...

[Gman]

This would be a perfect argument, except that many GMO organizations use many MILLIONS of dollars to influence law in their favor...
if it was such a great choice in the first place, why would it need such political influence to succeed?

I'm not anti capitalism, but if there is corruption, I'll call it for what it is...
You could say the same thing for pretty much any big business. When the government is for sale to the highest bidder, you'll have opportunists trying to gain an advantage.

[bryjcom]

After reading the posts in this thread, I'm left with a couple of conclusions.

~People think they have been eating GMO for 50 years. Wrong... GMO crops were introduced to the public around 1995ish.

~People think hybridization and GMO are the same thing.. Wrong.. Hybridization is crossing naturally occurring traits with other naturally occurring traits. GMO species are being created with actual pesticides in them and completely unnatural proteins to these species.



One of the more common species of GMO corn today is the "BT maize". It contains Bacillus thuringiensis delta-endotoxin which shuts down the digestive system of insects. They say it doesn't affect humans but I think they may be wrong, which is why Germany, Russia, Ireland, Australian, Switzerland, Japan, New Zealand, Austria, Hungary, Greeze, Bulgaria have banned it.

Monsanto claims the the BT toxin is destroyed in the human body but a study out of Quebec shows that it is found in the blood streams of pregnant women.

Traces of Bt toxin were found in the blood of 93 per cent of the pregnant mothers – 28 out of 30. It was also found in 80 per cent of the umbilical cords – 24 out of 30
Traces of Bt toxin were found in the blood of 93 per cent of the pregnant mothers – 28 out of 30. It was also found in 80 per cent of the umbilical cords – 24 out of 30




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1388888/GM-food-toxins-blood-93-unborn-babies.html#ixzz3FR7g30KS


There have been lots of studies that show an increase of food allergies to GMO foods as well. They are finding that these toxins are triggering an auto immune response which is causing these food allergies. My daughter has a gluten allergy and possibly more, which we believe may be linked, at least in part, to behavior and learning disorders.

http://www.examiner.com/article/genetically-modified-soy-is-linked-to-rise-allergies


Not to mention the increase of tumors in rats, sterile populations of hamsters, decreased testes, and fertility problems in animals, yada yada yada. Just google the studies and pictures and see for yourself.
Then you have the problem with glyphosate (Roundup) that is being used on these resistant plants that is getting into our food and ultimately our bodies which is a whole different problem.



I tend to think of the human body as a computer and the food we eat as the "input code" for our computer. When we start changing the code unnaturally we start changing the operating system of our computer
There is evidence that these mutated genes are entering our bloodstreams and are NOT BEING BROKEN DOWN BY OUR BODIES.

But the real scare to me is that we are screwing with the genetic code of our planet that has taken millions of years to write. We are modifying this code with terminators in the genes that prevent germination of the seeds of these plants. Is it at least plausible that our natural heirloom plants could be contaminated genetically with these mutations and become sterile? Its not really a far fetched idea...

Scientists need to ponder the question of, "just because we can, does it mean we should?"

[davsel]

Greed.
U.S. farms produce far more than is consumed already - have been for many years.
Stop screwing with nature.

[sellersm]

Reviving this thread as one formerly pro-GMO scientist has changed his stance is now campaigning against GMO foods:


Former Pro-GMO Biotech Scientist Admits GMOs are NOT Safe.Submitted by Austin Broer on Mon, 11/03/2014 - 16:26
Dr. Thierry Vrain A former GMO biotechnologist who has come out with a lot of information that should open people’s eyes about the real dangers of genetically modified foods and crops.
Vrain will be the first to admit that Monsanto has conducted a lot of studies showing that GMOs are safe, but he changed his own tune about ten years ago when he started reading scientific journals from other countries.
Vrain explains:
“I started paying attention to the flow of published studies coming from Europe, some from prestigious labs and published in prestigious scientific journals, that questioned the impact and safety of engineered food.”
Vrain was so much a supporter of GMOs (as well as a former biotech scientist for Agriculture Canada) that he used to conduct tours and tell large groups of people all about the greatness of genetically altered crops – but not anymore. Here is what he thinks about his former industry now:
“I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat.
There are a number of scientific studies that have been done for Monsanto by universities in the U.S., Canada, and abroad. Most of these studies are concerned with the field performance of the engineered crops, and of course they find GMOs safe for the environment and therefore safe to eat.”
Vrain thinks the public is being swindled. He believes we should all demand that government agencies replicate tests showing that GMOs are safe rather than rely on studies paid for by the biotech companies. He continues:
“The Bt corn and soya plants that are now everywhere in our environment are registered as insecticides. But are these insecticidal plants regulated and have their proteins been tested for safety? Not by the federal departments in charge of food safety, not in Canada and not in the U.S.
There are no long-term feeding studies performed in these countries to demonstrate the claims that engineered corn and soya are safe. All we have are scientific studies out of Europe and Russia, showing that rats fed engineered food die prematurely.
These studies show that proteins produced by engineered plants are different than what they should be. Inserting a gene in a genome using this technology can and does result in damaged proteins. The scientific literature is full of studies showing that engineered corn and soya contain toxic or allergenic proteins.”
This science is actually only about 40 years old. It is all based on a theory of genetic manipulation hypothesized around 70 years ago – of the ONE GENE – meaning that each gene codes for one single protein. The Human Genome project proved this totally wrong.
Most scientists now understand that any gene can give more than one protein and that inserting a gene anywhere in a plant eventually creates rogue proteins. Some of these proteins are obviously allergenic or toxic, like Cry proteins found in GMO corn. Otherwise known as Bt toxins (Bacillus thuringiensis), Cry proteins are one of biotech’s answers for ‘safe’ food.
That’s odd; one study found them absolutely toxic for mammalian blood. Dr. Mezzomo says that Cry toxins are deathly for mice (http://www.gmoevidence.com/dr-mezzomo-bt-toxins-toxic-to-blood-of-mice/). Another study linked them to a higher rate of leukemia. Yet another study conducted at Sherbrooke University Hospital in Quebec found corn’s Bt-toxin in the blood of pregnant women and their babies, as well as in non-pregnant women. These same toxins are also associated with higher levels of inflammation in the body, allergies, MS, and cancer.
Furthermore, what ridiculous egocentricity for biotech scientists to think they can crack the code of life when there are still acres and acres of rainforest that contain medicinal herbs that they have never even studied or recognized. Every square mile lost in these forests represents a possible cancer soution or super-food source.
Why the heck do we need GMOs? We haven’t even utilized the plethora of foods and herbs Mother Nature has already provided us with, if only we would steward them sustainably. There seems to be a new wonder-extract being discovered every few days, despite our pillaging.
Additionally, Vrain once answered honestly to this question in an interview:
“Q: It is astounding that people don’t question the very idea of altering DNA. When Monsanto or others claim a genetically modified organism is “substantially equivalent” to the conventional plant, it’s illogical to me because when DNA is altered, the plant is altered. It’s not the same and it’s certainly not natural.
A: That depends on your view of the world. As a scientist, when you add a bacteria gene to a plant, or a plant gene to a fish, or a human gene to corn, or 10,000 acres of corn growing insulin – they consider it progress. So if a tomato plant has a bacterial gene, it still looks very much like a tomato plant. You couldn’t tell very much from the taste of the tomato so there is something easy about believing in “substantial equivalence” . . . but Roundup (Monsanto’s herbicide) is a chelator; it holds manganese, magnesium and a few other minerals. It holds the minerals and doesn’t let go so basically it starves the plant. It probably also starves many other creatures in the soil.”
New evidence shows that these same important minerals are chelated from humans that eat RoundUp GMOs.
Vrain has based his research on over 500 government reports and scientific articles published in peer-reviewed journals, some of them with the highest recognition in the world.
Now tell me – how exactly are GMOs safe?







If a soil biologist and scientist of genetic engineering of 30 years revisits his stance on GMOs – shouldn’t those who are still clinging to biotech efficacy relent? We as many GMO whistleblowers as we can get to come forward and shed light on the real truth about what is being done to our food.

[screagle2]

After reading the posts in this thread, I'm left with a couple of conclusions.

~People think they have been eating GMO for 50 years. Wrong... GMO crops were introduced to the public around 1995ish.

~People think hybridization and GMO are the same thing.. Wrong.. Hybridization is crossing naturally occurring traits with other naturally occurring traits. GMO species are being created with actual pesticides in them and completely unnatural proteins to these species.



One of the more common species of GMO corn today is the "BT maize". It contains Bacillus thuringiensis delta-endotoxin which shuts down the digestive system of insects. They say it doesn't affect humans but I think they may be wrong, which is why Germany, Russia, Ireland, Australian, Switzerland, Japan, New Zealand, Austria, Hungary, Greeze, Bulgaria have banned it.

Monsanto claims the the BT toxin is destroyed in the human body but a study out of Quebec shows that it is found in the blood streams of pregnant women.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1388888/GM-food-toxins-blood-93-unborn-babies.html#ixzz3FR7g30KS


There have been lots of studies that show an increase of food allergies to GMO foods as well. They are finding that these toxins are triggering an auto immune response which is causing these food allergies. My daughter has a gluten allergy and possibly more, which we believe may be linked, at least in part, to behavior and learning disorders.

http://www.examiner.com/article/genetically-modified-soy-is-linked-to-rise-allergies


Not to mention the increase of tumors in rats, sterile populations of hamsters, decreased testes, and fertility problems in animals, yada yada yada. Just google the studies and pictures and see for yourself.
Then you have the problem with glyphosate (Roundup) that is being used on these resistant plants that is getting into our food and ultimately our bodies which is a whole different problem.



I tend to think of the human body as a computer and the food we eat as the "input code" for our computer. When we start changing the code unnaturally we start changing the operating system of our computer
There is evidence that these mutated genes are entering our bloodstreams and are NOT BEING BROKEN DOWN BY OUR BODIES.

But the real scare to me is that we are screwing with the genetic code of our planet that has taken millions of years to write. We are modifying this code with terminators in the genes that prevent germination of the seeds of these plants. Is it at least plausible that our natural heirloom plants could be contaminated genetically with these mutations and become sterile? Its not really a far fetched idea...

Scientists need to ponder the question of, "just because we can, does it mean we should?"

[tim-adams]

ok..
so here it the real poop..

if it does not say organic, assume it has a lot of GMO materials in it..
that is why the "new" law is just kind of blah...
don't place an undue burdon on the CO growers..


try this one..
90% of all corn is GMO..
how much of that corn is turned into high fructose corn syrup.
how many items have corn syrup in them??
most soda, most chips, LOL

assume everything not marked organic has some kind of GMO product used in it

[ColoFarmer]

ok..
so here it the real poop..

if it does not say organic, assume it has a lot of GMO materials in it..
that is why the "new" law is just kind of blah...
don't place an undue burdon on the CO growers..


try this one..
90% of all corn is GMO..
how much of that corn is turned into high fructose corn syrup.
how many items have corn syrup in them??
most soda, most chips, LOL

assume everything not marked organic has some kind of GMO product used in it

I'll add, unless it is marked organic OR Non-GMO Project Verified. This is the way to satisfy those who want to buy non-gmo food, expand this segment to be the same kind of system as the organic market is today.

[Eggysrun]

GMO's don't bother me as much as the pesticides they use on produce and chemicals in the feed for animals.

[asmo]

Replace vaccine with GMO...

http://i.imgur.com/uZC5fF9.gif


In case you cant see it: http://i.imgur.com/uZC5fF9.gif

[tim-adams]

GMO's don't bother me as much as the pesticides they use on produce and chemicals in the feed for animals.
^^^^^ oh yeah

that is why my wife buys organic fruit and some veg..

[Zundfolge]

that is why my wife buys organic fruit and some veg..

Except that whenever I see the word "Organic" on food, my mind translates it into "Migrant Worker Feces".

[Ronin13]

I still like the hilarious anecdote: Two lab mice, feed one GMO, feed the other bread. Both get cancer and die. Conclusion: Who gives a shit? Or otherwise known as "Everything gives you cancer these days!" [panic]

[D_F]

^^^^^ oh yeah

that is why my wife buys organic fruit and some veg..

Why are organic pesticides so much better than synthetic ones?

[Great-Kazoo]

Why are organic pesticides so much better than synthetic ones?

Even better look at the label of origin on some organics.

[D_F]

Even better look at the label of origin on some organics.

Indeed, one of our growers has a farm in Mexico, amazing all the products that are still legal and in use down there. And the last number I saw published for produce from outside the U.S. that was inspected by USDA was a whopping 4%.

[davsel]

[zombie1]

Bogus GMO Labeling Bill gets passed:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-04/obama-just-signed-gmo-labeling-law-here%E2%80%99s-what-you%E2%80%99re-not-being-told


The first — and most contentious — is S. 764’s decree that food companies are not necessarily required to label genetically modified products in text form. While doing so is an option, according to the new law, food manufacturers may also choose to denote GM ingredients with a symbol or a QRC (quick response code) that, when scanned by a smartphone, will take the consumer to a website detailing further information about the product. The QRC method requires the consumer to have both a smartphone and access to the internet.


Another problem with the bill is its lax standards and broad definitions. For example, the bill stipulates that if a majority of a product contains meat, it need not be labeled as containing GM ingredients, even if other ingredients are genetically modified (in contrast, a pepperoni pizza would need to be labeled if the flour in the pizza came from GM grain). While genetically modified animal meat is only beginning to make its way into the food supply, the new labeling bill establishes a concerning exemption for the future. Eggs will also not be subject to GM labels.

Further, the new law “prohibit[s] a food derived from an animal to be considered a bioengineered food solely because the animal consumed feed produced from, containing, or consisting of a bioengineered substance.” In other words, if an animal ate GM feed throughout its life, food companies would not need to inform the consumer.


Though the language of the bill is vague, it explicitly nullifies the GM labeling law passed in Vermont last year. That bill, which industry lobbyists aggressively attacked, would be overruled by S. 764, which dictates that “state-imposed labeling requirements would be banned,” as noted by Bloomberg. Vermont’s bill only took effect on July 1 of this year.

[CO Hugh]

Except that whenever I see the word "Organic" on food, my mind translates it into "Migrant Worker Feces".
[Beer]

[hunterhawk]

I eat mostly non GMO foods now as do my kids because my stomach and everyone around my age 30ish seem to have lots of stomach issues as well as many are lactose.. I grew up in the country and ate lots of corn and such (my uncle is a big farmer in Michigan) I just think the GMO foods plus pesticides these days are causing more harm than the government cares to say.. And I also don't think ALL the immunization shots are needed (my kids are vaccinated but both my brother in sister don't do it and their kids have been fine) it's all about people making money anyway you want to look at it.

But seriously look how many kids since GMO's started have stomach issues and allergies compared to the older people.. Then let's pull up this thread in another 10 years as well...

Time me is the only way to tell anything when everyone is held in the dark.. Like stated no time to test there products because we all need to eat!

[HoneyBadger]

I eat mostly non GMO foods now as do my kids because my stomach and everyone around my age 30ish seem to have lots of stomach issues as well as many are lactose.. I grew up in the country and ate lots of corn and such (my uncle is a big farmer in Michigan) I just think the GMO foods plus pesticides these days are causing more harm than the government cares to say.. And I also don't think ALL the immunization shots are needed (my kids are vaccinated but both my brother in sister don't do it and their kids have been fine) it's all about people making money anyway you want to look at it.

But seriously look how many kids since GMO's started have stomach issues and allergies compared to the older people.. Then let's pull up this thread in another 10 years as well...

Time me is the only way to tell anything when everyone is held in the dark.. Like stated no time to test there products because we all need to eat!


There does seem to be a trend here, but that doesn't necessarily indicate causation. I think if the stomach problems (and overall health) are what you're worried about, a more effective method of protecting your interests would be avoiding processed/packaged foods. Many artificial colors, flavors, and preservatives have been proven to lead to health problems, but rarely has an apple off the tree or broccoli from the garden caused any problems.

[Ah Pook]

"Back when I was young" there was little to no peanut allergies, gluten issues, lactose intolerance or any other food allergies.

I've spent a lot of time in Ohio farmland and can count on one hand the farmers that didn't think Monsanto and ADM were the evil overlords. My take is follow the money.

I try to eat organic when possible but (as I see it) more importantly, I eat less processed. Pick up a canned food today and read the ingredients and pick up a can from 50 years ago...

Yeah both sides are well funded and I doubt we will see anything resembling non biased studies.

[hurley842002]

"Back when I was young" there was little to no peanut allergies, gluten issues, lactose intolerance or any other food allergies.

Yup same here, and it really wasn't that long ago for me. Growing up in a small southeast Colorado town may also have something to do with it, but who knows.

[GilpinGuy]

"Back when I was young" there was little to no peanut allergies, gluten issues, lactose intolerance or any other food allergies.[QUOTE]

No shit. I don't remember one kid with ANY allergies when I was in school. Maybe one or two had one but I never knew about it. These days my kid can't bring in cupcakes for his birthday without filling out a questionnaire first.

[QUOTE=Ah Pook;2005824]I try to eat organic when possible but (as I see it) more importantly, I eat less processed. Pick up a canned food today and read the ingredients and pick up a can from 50 years ago...

Yeah both sides are well funded and I doubt we will see anything resembling non biased studies.

Less or non-processed is huge. If you are eating a couple of "hot pockets" every day, but worried about Monsanto, you are not focused.

[hunterhawk]

Unfortunately I don't even eat much red meat.... Ok that's not true! I eat deer, elk, and bison... But go figure beef kills my stomach and I grew up eating tons of it! So you're right it might not be you have to eat organic but since I cut out dairy, store bought red meat, processed foods, and eat organic as much as I can I sure have felt a lot better and have to think the issues I have were most likely caused by eating carp since I was little no fault to my parents because like I said you have to feed your families.. We didn't have a lot of money growing up and not much research was done or has been done for the public! Without the other side saying it's wrong or not true.

[DavieD55]

Exactly, follow the money is right.


"Back when I was young" there was little to no peanut allergies, gluten issues, lactose intolerance or any other food allergies.

I've spent a lot of time in Ohio farmland and can count on one hand the farmers that didn't think Monsanto and ADM were the evil overlords. My take is follow the money.

I try to eat organic when possible but (as I see it) more importantly, I eat less processed. Pick up a canned food today and read the ingredients and pick up a can from 50 years ago...

Yeah both sides are well funded and I doubt we will see anything resembling non biased studies.






I eat mostly non GMO foods now as do my kids because my stomach and everyone around my age 30ish seem to have lots of stomach issues as well as many are lactose.. I grew up in the country and ate lots of corn and such (my uncle is a big farmer in Michigan) I just think the GMO foods plus pesticides these days are causing more harm than the government cares to say.. And I also don't think ALL the immunization shots are needed (my kids are vaccinated but both my brother in sister don't do it and their kids have been fine) it's all about people making money anyway you want to look at it.

But seriously look how many kids since GMO's started have stomach issues and allergies compared to the older people.. Then let's pull up this thread in another 10 years as well...

Time me is the only way to tell anything when everyone is held in the dark.. Like stated no time to test there products because we all need to eat!


That is a good thing. Big pharma, the RINOs, and the left want to force mandate everyone to take their vaccines.

[DavieD55]

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[BushMasterBoy]

The interest rate is the incest rate? Dominant and recessive genes? Did you marry locally? LMAO