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Great-Kazoo
10-14-2014, 08:26
On Prop 105. Concerns of SELECT FOOD aside, the mentality of the 105 ballot sponsor should be a warning to ANYONE who is voting this Nov. I know i've heard this before.
As always the buzz words are well placed.
THIS ISN'T A BAN. mmm sounds familiar
A REASONABLE FIRST STEP. Yeppers now i'm convinced WE MUST VOTE FOR LABELING, IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN. [pileoshit]
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/local/2014/10/13/safety-fairness-heart-gmo-labeling-issue/17236095/
"I didn't have a goal of banning GMOs," Cooper, an Arvada resident, said. "But I believe in the U.S. we have personal freedom to make an informed choice about the food we're eating and what we're feeding our children.
"This isn't a ban," he added. "It's a label. And this isn't a warning label, it's for those people who are interested — to not choose blindly."
Under Proposition 105, meat and dairy products are exempt from labeling, as are beer, chewing gum, pure honey, restaurant food and school cafeteria food.
Due to Colorado's "single-subject rule," for ballot initiatives, Cooper said the Right to Know campaign could not include any of these other food items on its proposal.
"This is a reasonable first step," Cooper said. "We aren't trying to hurt anybody; all we're trying to do is find out what's in our food."
If someone admits that what they are doing is "a first step," it would seem to be reasonable to infer that they have a second and possibly a third step. In other words, the person has an agenda with a goal. Has that goal been clearly announced?
BPTactical
10-14-2014, 10:14
In other words, the person has an agenda with a goal. Has that goal been clearly announced?
Agenda? Try Agenda 21
You have a personal freedom to research all your own choices and make the best one for yourself. It's not the governments job to force feed you information so you can FEEL like you've made an "informed" decision. Freaking lemmings.
Freaking lemmings.
LEMMING! Who you calling a lemming? I'll have you know I am much more like a beautiful Ostrich [LOL]
105 is crap, it'll kill the small food producer, they won't be able to afford the additional costs of labeling and their prices won't be competitive if they pass their labeling costs on to the consumer.
Now that I wrote that it makes me wonder if the large corporate farms are trying to drive the little guys out of business.
105 is crap, it'll kill the small food producer, they won't be able to afford the additional costs of labeling and their prices won't be competitive if they pass their labeling costs on to the consumer.
Now that I wrote that it makes me wonder if the large corporate farms are trying to drive the little guys out of business.
Send me the current label in .jpg format and I'll add the GMO notification for $1 of my time and send it back to you.
Labels are very often changed. It's not like they are individually hand painted on each container.
I'd kinda like to know what I'm consuming, but that's just me I guess.
http://www.denverpost.com/Business/ci_26721860/Denverbased-Chipotle-to-support-GMO-labeling-ballot-measure-in-Colorado
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2014, 15:06
http://www.denverpost.com/Business/ci_26721860/Denverbased-Chipotle-to-support-GMO-labeling-ballot-measure-in-Colorado
Supporters include the advocacy group Food Democracy Now and several companies involved in the sale and distribution of organic products
Chipotle cited a study from Consumers Union (http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/10/consumers-union-labeling-gmos-would-cost-consumers-2-30-a-year/#.VDxYule3yT4)showing that for a similar ballot measure in Oregon, a typical consumer would pay about $2.30 more a year.
It's always about how little it cost you the consumer. Never mind it's your money they want to spend to support said ballot.
For pennies a day you too can help obese people feel like second rate citizens. Call now and we'll help you get started on you path of smug indifference.
ACT NOW AND WE WILL INCLUDE A BMI CHART AND THE TOOLS TO HELP YOU MAINTAIN YOUR ELITIST FIGURE.
Bailey Guns
10-14-2014, 15:31
More liberal bullshit that will ultimately hurt small business, further the leftist agenda of wanting power and control over your life, make CO gov't bigger and more costly, not do a damn thing for the consumer, and make liberals feel good.
I don't need to be convinced to vote NO...it's just common sense.
I feel like I live in a bizarro world. All my friends are for this. "I want to know whats in my food!" "I dont see one reason why this is bad."
You realize this wont apply to restaurants and a lot of other places you eat? It doesn't apply to what you feed the animals? Etc.
"Well they can't make restaurant owners chase down all their suppliers and confirm they're non-GMO. That'd put all the little guys out of business."
So...you're against GMO's only when it's in the grocery store on certain selective products? Got it.
When you look at the organizations for this and against this, that should paint the picture.
For:
Alfalfa's Market[7] (http://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Mandatory_Labeling_of_GMOs_Initiative,_Pr oposition_105_%282014%29#cite_note-rtkco-7)
Annie's Homegrown
Berry Patch Farms
Boulder Brands
Boulder Family Farms
Chipotle Mexican Grill[8] (http://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Mandatory_Labeling_of_GMOs_Initiative,_Pr oposition_105_%282014%29#cite_note-8)
Daiya Foods
Door-To-Door Organics
Durango Natural Foods Co-op
FoodShed Productions
Four Sisters Farm
Frontier Co-op
Hain Celestial Group
Indian Ridge Farm
Julia’s Kitchen
Justin's Nut Butter
KeHE
Lucky's Market
Natural Grocers
Nature's Path
Nutiva
Presence Marketing
Quinn Popcorn
Ranch Foods Direct
Rocky Mountain Farmers Union
Silver Hills Bakery
Snack Out Loud
Stonyfield Farm
The Crunchy Grocer
UNFI
Whole Foods Market
Against:
Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce[11] (http://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Mandatory_Labeling_of_GMOs_Initiative,_Pr oposition_105_%282014%29#cite_note-noon105-11)
Colorado Corn Growers Association
Colorado Bioscience Association
Colorado Farm Bureau
Colorado Beverage Association
Colorado Cattlemen’s Association
US Beet Sugar Association
NebCo Sugarbeet Growers Association
Rocky Mountain Food Industry Association
Rocky Mountain Agribusiness Association
American Society of Sugar Beet Technologists
Western Sugar Cooperative
Colorado Dairy Farmers
Farmers Alliance for Integrated Resources
Progressive 15
Front Range Sustainable Agriculture, Inc.
FUEL – Colorado
Garfield County Farm Bureau
Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
John B. Shawcroft Ranches LLLP
Kit Carson County Farm Bureau
Kiowa County Farm Bureau
The Amalgamated Sugar Company
US Custom Harvesters
Mesa County Farm Bureau
Prowers County Farm Bureau
Rocky Ford Growers Association
Sedgwick County Farm Bureau
Sipe Farms LLC
Sundance Farms
Colorado Sugarbeet Growers Association
Representing 226 members
Talbott’s Mountain Gold LLLP
Representing 100 Colorado jobs
Grocery Manufacturers Association
Colorado Renewable Energy Investment Company
American Sugarbeet Growers Association
Bauder Farms LLC
Beet Sugar Development Foundation
Brighton Prime Rib Club
Clay Land and Livestock
Club 20
COG II Farms LLC
Colorado State Grange
Colorado Ag News Network
Colorado Agri-Women
Colorado Association of Distributors
Colorado Association of Wheat Growers
Colorado Competitive Council
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2014, 16:11
Interesting they are against the measure, Alfalfa's Market[7], (http://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Mandatory_Labeling_of_GMOs_Initiative,_Pr oposition_105_%282014%29#cite_note-rtkco-7)as Whole Wallet took alfa's over , closed them down or changed the name.
Send me the current label in .jpg format and I'll add the GMO notification for $1 of my time and send it back to you.
Labels are very often changed. It's not like they are individually hand painted on each container.
I'd kinda like to know what I'm consuming, but that's just me I guess.
Find your own label. :)
I already know what is in my food...my fork.
If GMO is so great, why do they not want to publicize it?
Why don't they have stores with banners proclaiming "We only sell GMO food !"
Start a chain: "GMO Foods" and put them next door to "Whole Foods."
I'm undecided, but skeptical.
Bailey Guns
10-14-2014, 16:18
When you look at the organizations for this and against this, that should paint the picture.
Yep...in HD.
I'm undecided, but skeptical.
I agree. The things I find skeptical are the selective approach to this and society's general lack of understanding of what it takes to feed this nation. This isn't a family of 4 we're talking about. Im sure we'd all love it if everything was natural but in todays "I want the most I can get, for the cheapest and I want it yesterday" world, it's impossible.
I feel like I live in a bizarro world. All my friends are for this. "I want to know whats in my food!" "I don't see one reason why this is bad."
After you ask them if they know all the artificial flavorings in their StealBux coffee drink, then just tell them: If you truly want to know what's in your food, grow it yourself.
Find your own label. :)
I already know what is in my food...my fork.
Didn't mean "You" personally [Beer]
Most of my food comes from our garden, or is shot on our land.
My wife does the grocery shopping, and much of it comes from Whole Foods or that other dirty hippy Trader Joe's. I know there is a lot of BS and extra expense there, but we can afford it, and I don't have to go grocery shopping.
I sometimes go for the fun of it though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_azA78Hi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXhJPey3i_A
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2014, 16:25
I agree. The things I find skeptical are the selective approach to this and society's general lack of understanding of what it takes to feed this nation. This isn't a family of 4 we're talking about. Im sure we'd all love it if everything was natural but in todays "I want the most I can get, for the cheapest and I want it yesterday" world, it's impossible.
Remember you're dealing with a society that believes hunting is awful and not necessary. They also believe when asked where does the steak you get from the store come from? Say the back of the store. OR from that room where they're cutting my roast for me.
Didn't mean "You" personally [Beer]
Most of my food comes from our garden, or is shot on our land.
My wife does the grocery shopping, and much of it comes from Whole Foods or that other dirty hippy Trader Joe's. I know there is a lot of BS and extra expense there, but we can afford it, and I don't have to go grocery shopping.
I'm a little slow when it comes to that but I finally figured it out.[Beer]
NICE! I wish I had my own garden but I chose poorly living in a townhome.
After you ask them if they know all the artificial flavorings in their StealBux coffee drink.
They're not concerned about that because "Tracking down their supply chain would be too costly and time consuming". So they are ok with blindly eating whatever a commercial food business serves, just as long as those sugar beets they dont eat have GMO labeling.
They're not concerned about that because "Tracking down their supply chain would be too costly and time consuming". So they are ok with blindly eating whatever a commercial food business serves, just as long as those sugar beets they dont eat have GMO labeling.
Exactly..."dude, I eat/shop at {insert trendy chain here} because they support/donate to {insert liberal feel-good cause here}, and stuff...dude."
If independent food suppliers want to follow non-GMO practices and market their goods as such, then fine, do it.
"Reasonable first step." Translation: We want to test the waters and get something on the books before we drop the hammer on everyone.
From he 9 news truth test.
Manufacturers would have to label GMO bread, but not GMO cheese. Soda, but not beer. Candy, but not gum.
This inconsistency, opponents argue, will confuse consumers and make the GMO labels misleading.
While there are labeling programs (eg: USDA organic, GMO free) available currently to help consumers choose products that do not contain GMO ingredients, these programs are voluntary.
To that end, Prop 105 would be distinctly different than the "national standards" because the GMO labels would be mandatory in Colorado.
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2014, 17:42
From he 9 news truth test.
the GMO labels would be mandatory
Was anyone not in favor of prop 105 Surprised. Same tactics, incremental, for you health, The Children Etc. Of course not a single mention (that i have seen) informing the masses where Mr. Larry Cooper ACTIVIST, hails from originally. Outside of Arvada Resident. .mmmmmm Wonder if his residence will be pelted with GMO labelled eggs this halloween.
Why would restaurants need to track down anything? If labels are mandatory, then all the foods the restaurant but should come labeled right?
the GMO labels would be mandatory
Was anyone not in favor of prop 105 Surprised. Same tactics, incremental, for you health, The Children Etc. Of course not a single mention (that i have seen) informing the masses where Mr. Larry Cooper ACTIVIST, hails from originally. Outside of Arvada Resident. .mmmmmm Wonder if his residence will be pelted with GMO labelled eggs this halloween.
Nope, eggs are exempt. :)
Also, its many exemptions create confusing loopholes that would exempt from labeling many thousands of products that do contain GMOs. Two-thirds of the foods we buy, such as meat, milk or eggs from animals that have been fed GMO feed, would be exempt from 105's labeling requirements.
Why would restaurants need to track down anything? If labels are mandatory, then all the foods the restaurant but should come labeled right?
"Approximately 2/3 of the foods and beverages we buy and consume would be exempt. Meat and dairy products would be exempt even if they come from animals raised on GMO feed and grain. All alcoholic beverages, food for immediate consumption served in restaurants and other institutions would also be exempt, even if they contain GMO ingredients"
So they're exempting restaurants. If this didn't, they'd have to guarantee that NONE of their food contained GMO ingredients. Thus, forcing them to research who they get their food from and ensuring it doesn't have GMO ingredients. They're allowing restaurants to continue getting the cheapest GMO ingredients while avoiding the label that local farmers will be forced to use.
If this didn't, they'd have to guarantee that NONE of their food contained GMO ingredients.
How so? It's not illegal to sell products with GMO. If they don't know for sure. *May contain products from GMO.
I agree with you, and agree that the restaurant argument is stupid.
How so? It's not illegal to sell products with GMO. If they don't know for sure. *May contain products from GMO.
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The general public only computes what's put in front of them. If restaurants had to label their menu, I guess we'd find out how many people really cared? It's easy to just avoid "GMO" labels. Its why people want it. They don't have to think and can feel like they are eating "right". What would they do if they went to their favorite restaurant and saw GMO next to their favorite dish because the sugar beats used fell under this law and got the GMO label? I'm betting they still order it and say "I've been eating it this long...".
Society is a bandwagon of feel good.
Why aren't we requiring fast food restaurants to label EXACTLY what's in their food? People freak about GMOs but line up at fast food without thinking twice.
Im not saying I'm pro GMO but this just feels really lopsided to "organic". Why not require it for all food if its that much of an issue? But hey, we already force car manufacturers to meet MPG standards in the name of "green".
Aloha_Shooter
10-15-2014, 00:36
Any measure supported by an organization spun off the Commie propaganda outfit "Democracy Now" needs to go down in flames. This isn't truth in labeling, it's fear-mongering with mandatory labels and targeting flyover country and rural farmers (who tend to value hard work and self-sufficiency and not be hippy Commies) with onerous burdens while exempting their buddies.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2014, 01:49
Any measure supported by an organization spun off the Commie propaganda outfit "Democracy Now" needs to go down in flames. This isn't truth in labeling, it's fear-mongering with mandatory labels and targeting flyover country and rural farmers (who tend to value hard work and self-sufficiency and not be hippy Commies) with onerous burdens while exempting their buddies.
Amen to that.
Any measure supported by an organization spun off the Commie propaganda outfit "Democracy Now" needs to go down in flames. This isn't truth in labeling, it's fear-mongering with mandatory labels and targeting flyover country and rural farmers (who tend to value hard work and self-sufficiency and not be hippy Commies) with onerous burdens while exempting their buddies.
Always good to know the sponsors of various bills and how the communists dress up the language to make the bill sound innocuous when the bill is another vile step in their "ends justify the means" planning.
Grow My Own...
I believe in the more urban settings, that phrase would imply the cultivation of Cannabis sativa.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2014, 08:54
The spouse says Kopcow in weld cty is ok. He leans more towards, the hanging judge side. Says he doesn't let those who have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, off easy.
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