Are you freaking kidding me?!?

[RRD3]

Wow... this has got to be the dumbest thing I have seen in a long time. And that's pretty hard to imagine in this day and age.

What range or range officer would allow this to happen?


http://s717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Tactical_Resp/?action=view&current=MVI_1778.flv

[Bailey Guns]

Not just average stupid there...that video demonstrates stupidity elevated to an art form.

Darwin would be proud.

[Pistol Packing Preacher]

As a photographer...

I will pass on this 'shot'

pun intended!

[Stooge]

[Mtn.man]

Duh,,,

[kidicarus13]

I haven't seen that bad of an idea in a long time.

[jason303]

C'mon, he did have hearing and eye protection on.

[Luck]

[BadShot]

Apparently (as taken from another site) the photographer is one of the instructors at the class being conducted there. Still this is a whole case of dumb ass in a box! What's more, why didn't any of the students step back and go "uh, dumb ass, WTF!!"

Don't care who they are, that's not a line I would be on. Most likely would have up and left the class at that point and insisted on getting my money back.

[RRD3]

I would imagine that if he is a NRA certed instructor they would drop him like a bad habit.

If the insurance carrier found out about this they would also drop the range in a heart beat.

It's been a long time since I have seen stupid like that.

[Driftwood]

That's a Tactical Response "Fighting Pistol" class, is it not?

[Elhuero]

Am I a bad person for hoping he catches one in an arm or leg to teach him a lesson?

[Hoser]

That's a Tactical Response "Fighting Pistol" class, is it not?

Yes it is.

I do not agree with the practice nor do I think its smart, but...

Having someone down range does not violate any of the 4 safety rules, and the world is not a square range.

The dude that turns around with his finger on the trigger is the biggest bonehead of them all.

[bjl913]

seriously... that is the 2nd dumbest thing ive ever seen, next to the hillbilly kid who takes a 9mm through a vest to see if it works...

If any of these people get a little adrenalin going and miss that target, that guy is fawked! And what kind of moron pulls there weapon to a "ready" position and points it up? Ever wanna know what it feels like to shoot somebody? go to this class and miss your target...

[Graves]

The dude that turns around with his finger on the trigger is the biggest bonehead of them all.


Nah, the idiot without the tripod and remote takes the cake by a long shot.

[Irving]

This video is awesome. I personally would not have agreed to do that, because I'm a bad shot, and I know it.

[GunTroll]

Awesome! Looks fun. Would I try it.....? Maybe if I was on morphine and Jim Beam!

[Driftwood]

I wonder how often Tactical Response takes videos like this? Is it often, or was this a one time incident? Anyone know?


And what kind of moron pulls there weapon to a "ready" position and points it up?

There are many different ready positions than just the traditional Low Ready. Different schools teach different things and have a different philosophy. Some even teach position SUL (yes, with a pistol).

[bjl913]

SUL makes perfect sense to me in CQB. but pointing it up? are we in the movies now? lol MUCH harder to get the weapon back down and on target, and if somebody knocks into you and your "that guy" with his booger picker on the trigger, I could see a pretty effective kill shot happening(to yourself)...

[RRD3]

If you ask me point up is piss poor training. With a low stance your initial gut instinct during an encounter is to bring your hands up.

Think back for yourself... if you have ever been scared or surprised by something or someone you bring your hands up to your face. Not down.

[Irving]

Okay, I watched the video again. That guy does NOT have his finger on the trigger. He has it along the frame where it is supposed to be.

I have to agree that pointing up is a result of poor to no training. I can say this because that tends to be people's tendency without training. For instance, I always tend to point the gun towards the floor, just in front of me, and I always get yelled at for not pointing down range.

I can see the merits of down range and right in front of you, but I don't really see an issue with holding it pointing at the floor as far as safety goes. If I get startled enough to pull the trigger when I'm not supposed to, I'd rather shoot the floor, than through a wall I haven't been behind yet. Anyone have more to say about this?

[HandKBRad]

Apparently (as taken from another site) the photographer is one of the instructors at the class being conducted there. Still this is a whole case of dumb ass in a box! What's more, why didn't any of the students step back and go "uh, dumb ass, WTF!!"

Don't care who they are, that's not a line I would be on. Most likely would have up and left the class at that point and insisted on getting my money back.

+1

[MrPrena]

I dont care if they were firing blanks or live rounds, that is not a smart move.

ETA: I would rather try to sell a FN Herstal SCAR 16S here for $5,001 and meet every forum member in person! :ROFL2:

[ryanek9freak]

I dont care if they were firing blanks or live rounds, that is not a smart move.

ETA: I would rather try to sell a FN Herstal SCAR 16S here for $5,001 and meet every forum member in person! :ROFL2:
[ROFL1] [ROFL2]

[GunTroll]

Sturtle, I with you. Down at the ground is best. I don't know how many times I heard while in the Army......Up and down range you! Even when I had no ammo or mag in the firearm and the bolt is open. Sometimes it made sense others it didn't. Guess you got to be real careful in todays Army. Not the brightest soldiers going in nowadays.

And these guys on this video....no hope for them. As a drill once told me. I can cure fat. Can't cure dumb. The camera guy down range is dumb and fat. All these guys are so dumb. Shooters, filmers, still photographers, all of em'. This video is all over the place getting the same feedback as on here. This is going to hurt this company that put this on. Just think....they paid to learn this.[Bang]

[Dr_Fwd]

can't see the video, what's in there?

[Driftwood]

TR's CEO recently posted this in response to all the "hate" (his words) he's been getting for posting that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ

Edit to add: I can't find the original video, either. I find it interesting that if TR doesn't have a problem with what that camera man did then why do they keep having it pulled everywhere off the interweb?? If they have "nothing to hide" and an "impeccable safety record", why keep pulling the video?

[Irving]

Probably because their insurance threatened to non-renew them. Having a website can be a real deterrent to getting insurance. If an underwriter looked them up on-line and came across that video, they wouldn't write the policy.

[RRD3]

TR's CEO recently posted this in response to all the "hate" (his words) he's been getting for posting that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ

Edit to add: I can't find the original video, either. I find it interesting that if TR doesn't have a problem with what that camera man did then why do they keep having it pulled everywhere off the interweb?? If they have "nothing to hide" and an "impeccable safety record", why keep pulling the video?


He said that they have always been controversial when it comes to safety.
In other words we have no idea on how to explain that dumb ass move we pulled.

That guy is such a freaking tool it isn't even funny.

[SA Friday]

This is just a really bad idea. I'm sure by now it's biting them in the pocketbooks.

There IS a time and place to be down range during live fire. It is very very rare, and secluded to advanced military firearms training only. The two that come to mind are break contact drills and peel-off drills for special ops and specialized combat teams. I have been through the only class approved to teach these techniques for the AF. I have shot live rounds with team-mates down range of me and visa versa. The amount of instructors to students is one to one, and everyone is wearing level IV body armor. This is a different reason entirely than going down range to take happy-snaps with a camara. Short of the above training there is absolutely NO reason for anyone to be down range during a live fire drill.

I really do love the sexy Charlies Angels spin move the guy does. That's just tacticool as hell. BTW, the same class that did the break contact drills and peel-off drills also teaches SUL ready with M-4 and pistol. For combat, it works. For LE house entry stacked up, low ready is better IMO. I've been through both types of training. They both have their place. Never seen a place for the Charlies Angels move yet except for TV and movies.

[mightymouse]

The intardramaweb isn't so easily defeated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqboR6gjOi8

[sniper7]

I dont care if they were firing blanks or live rounds, that is not a smart move.

ETA: I would rather try to sell a FN Herstal SCAR 16S here for $5,001 and meet every forum member in person! :ROFL2:


[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][ROFL3]

[Driftwood]

Saw these on another forum. Too freakin' hysterical....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Misc/HEAT-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Misc/Bringon_the_weenies.jpg

[RRD3]

Nice.

I like it :D

[GunTroll]

I watched this guys response and still have to ask the question of......were those students behind the guns? And why take the chance if you don't have to. Limit your exposure to danger and you'll probably live a tad bit longer. Was it absolutely necessary for this camera guy to be there. This was not a gun battle to were you might have to take shots near "innocent" non-involved are whatever you want to call them, people. It simply was not necessary.

Lots of back peddling in his video. Can anyone see his concern for going under? Very fidgety.

[onedeadpirate]

fun with photoshop [Kick1]

[Driftwood]

I watched this guys response and still have to ask the question of......were those students behind the guns? And why take the chance if you don't have to. Limit your exposure to danger and you'll probably live a tad bit longer. Was it absolutely necessary for this camera guy to be there. This was not a gun battle to were you might have to take shots near "innocent" non-involved are whatever you want to call them, people. It simply was not necessary.

Lots of back peddling in his video. Can anyone see his concern for going under? Very fidgety.

Yes, apparently those are students behind the guns and most likely civilians at that. Who knows how much previous training they had before that class, if any? And that's one of my biggest problems with this whole fiasco.

The other is as you alluded to: Are these video shots by Mr. Jay Gibson (one of their instructors, BTW) absolutely necessary?? You can't put that camera on a remote powered tripod? That is what it all boils down to. Those shots were completely unnecessary; technology could of solved that problem for you if you have to have those super cool shots.

[MrPrena]

He CEO OF TR (JY) rationalize and tries to explain the risk and etc.
I am NOT "increasing" the risk by driving a car on an average daily bases. Risk is still there.
However, I am increasing the "unnecessary" risk by try to cross the middle of I-25. Smart move would be to take the overpath to cross I-25.

That is total "Unncessary" risk. I would rather try to cross the middle of I-25 10times than that TR Photographer.

[RRD3]

I think he's lost a lot of respect and business due to his "government swamp gas" answer as well as the fact that he makes himself and the school look like a bunch of idiots with a John Wayne complex.

[GunTroll]

Leave the Duke out of this!