View Full Version : A video game that even I admit is a bit overboard. Hatred.
I own and enjoy fps type games and a few that many feel are over the line as far as violence but this one...holy fuck!!
http://youtu.be/RrX7G-1xPLs
ruthabagah
10-17-2014, 07:40
F no!
HoneyBadger
10-17-2014, 07:58
What the Hell? Now there is actually a valid argument that video games encourage mindless and indiscriminate violence.
GTA was one thing, but this is a whole new level of grotesque.
SuperiorDG
10-17-2014, 08:10
EMP will not come soon enough.
mackbamf
10-17-2014, 08:11
ISIS inspired video game, it is how they roll...
Umm. Who in the f**k thought this was a good idea for a video game? Kind of glorifies random acts of violence. You know, kind of like the Aurora theatre shootings.
I was was pretty open to letting my kid play violent games. I mean, they're just games, right? But things like Call of Duty are war games and violence should be expected in war. Halo and similar games were very fictitious and the things you were killing didn't even look human. From what I can remember, the purpose of the GTA games wasn't to just run around killing people indiscriminately. (although, that's what most people did.)
This game offends me and since I find it offensive it must be banned.
Does bring up some thoughts on how far "do what you want" should go. I thought some of the throat slashings etc in COD:Black ops or one of those was kinda gory and I knew far too many 10 yr olds playing. But not quite all that worried.
This however is taking poor taste to the pretty extreme. Especially the dialogue alone.
Thought US still has x or nc17 or some equivalent for games. I can't imagine it wouldnt get that and if it does would mean no mainstream stores would probably carry it. In which case I'd be a little more relaxed that only adults would likely be buying it vs random dumb parent getting little timmy whatever he wants from the shelf of best buy.
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 08:39
Well when you consider it's illegal to fly an American Flag ( HOA, Town Ord.) in some parts of the country, OR wear a shirt with a picture of it, because it OFFENDS HISPANIC students.
When you are threatened with subpoenas because the mayor wants to know if you're preaching hateful (READ: opposed to gay what ever) sermons.
When you condemn CHRISTIAN GUN OWNERS as BITTER CLINGERS, Yet welcome Mosque knowing they teach Sharia law.
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
It's too late to DRAW A LINE. WE as responsible ADULTS / PARENTS have been OVER RULED. By Schools, Government, HELL for some of you, even HOA'S.
mcantar18c
10-17-2014, 08:47
We don't even let our 13yo play COD. Just recently started allowing Halo.
PugnacAutMortem
10-17-2014, 08:57
I understand what this guy is trying to do...I honestly do. And there's a large part of me that says "more power to you". This is a big middle finger to the people who are trying to ban violent video games to protect the children because in general the people trying to ban video games are the people who don't parent their children anyways. It's easier to set little Timmy in front of the TV with a controller in his hand than to engage with him and, you know, actually parent. So these people start feeling guilty about it and the way they want to resolve the issue is to ban a video game they wouldn't want their 10 year old to get their hands on.
Bottom line is this game isn't made for 10 year old Timmy. Anyone with a brain cell left in their head knows that. Is this game over the line? Abso-freaking-lutely. Does that mean that this guy shouldn't be allowed to release this game? No way in hell. Adults should make their own choices on what they buy/eat/play/watch/read.
*yawn*
1998 called, it wants its moral panic over a video game where the protagonist "goes postal" back.
Bottom line is this game isn't made for 10 year old Timmy.
But, I'm sure even you will have to agree that there will be lots of little Timmys who will get there hands on this game and be playing it.
I'm not condoning censorship or banning anything.
I'm just questioning who in their right mind in this society of ours today would even think developing or releasing a game like this was a good idea?
"The developer described Hatred's theme as a reaction to "'politically correct' trends in gaming" and sought to make a game that eschewed politeness, colorfulness, and games as art."
-Wikipedia
Did that game trailer raise your ire?
Congratulations, you were just successfully trolled by the game's developer.
kidicarus13
10-17-2014, 09:15
I'm just questioning who in their right mind in this society of ours today would even think that selling machine guns was a good idea?
Just looking at it from another perspective.
Someone needs to hack it and make a CCW person in that game and take him out. That'd be pure win.
clodhopper
10-17-2014, 09:26
Just how big is that left hand, inside coat pocket anyway? Does he keep a cornucopia in there? That is a pretty long knife to keep in the front of the waistband. There are significant dangers from that. I only saw two mags, whoops, I mean clips. Are they the "perpetual" ones they use in Hollywood?
i thought the long stringy black hair thing was played out. Is it back in style? I don't think I can pull off that look.
Normally I don't care what's in a game.... But holy fuck. That's brutal.
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sandman76
10-17-2014, 09:34
I guess I'm a dinosaur and the last time I played a game on a home based console it was probably Super Mario Bros. I have no damned idea what this game' real point is. Is the hairy fuck the guy that is the player? So you pretend that you're a blood thirsty psycho and go around just killing unarmed citizens? Is that right? If that's the case then I have to say that the creator of the game is one sick fucking asshole that needs to get the shit choked out of him. I don't get it.
*yawn*
1998 called, it wants its moral panic over a video game where the protagonist "goes postal" back.
Oh I get your reference!
Honestly.. the game play looks like Diablo II or original. Can't remember.. but since there isn't magic or swords/axes/other pointy things... I mean that's what you did in Diablo, slaughter EVERYTHING. It might be fun to play, I doubt I'll go around blasting innocent people after. no promises though.
I remember arguing that one of those COD games went to fat when it came out. It was the one where you play the file of the terrorists at the airport. Of course I had never played it.
KestrelBike
10-17-2014, 10:08
wow wt...... This is some false flag game that obummer ordered to be made.
I remember arguing that one of those COD games went to fat when it came out. It was the one where you play the file of the terrorists at the airport. Of course I had never played it.
I stopped playing all COD games after they forced you to run through an airport killing innocents. THIS game though....wtf
Yo, if you didnt realize you can just walk along with the other terrorists and never shoot anyone except the military response at the end.
Also what everyone left out is that you whernt a terrorist, you were an undercover CIA spy or something like that. At the end of the level the terrorists already knew who you were and shoot you.
Rooskibar03
10-17-2014, 10:36
That's one way to try and further turn people against the gun culture and gun owners.
Yo, if you didnt realize you can just walk along with the other terrorists and never shoot anyone except the military response at the end.
Also what everyone left out is that you whernt a terrorist, you were an undercover CIA spy or something like that. At the end of the level the terrorists already knew who you were and shoot you.
Yeah I know, but the whole thing was a little much. It didn't do much to propel the story, just to show you how bad these people are. They could've taken a different approach to get you to hate the antagonist instead of forcing the player to walk with terrorists as they kill innocent people at an airport...
cfortune
10-17-2014, 12:07
Yeah I know, but the whole thing was a little much. It didn't do much to propel the story, just to show you how bad these people are. They could've taken a different approach to get you to hate the antagonist instead of forcing the player to walk with terrorists as they kill innocent people at an airport...
Not much of a COD guy but if I recall correctly, you can opt not to play that part of the game.
The premise of the game in the OP is pretty stupid in my opinion. The level of violence isn't anything new though. Old games like "Manhunt" we're equally as brutal.
Freedom of speach/expression. Take or or leave it
I get the satire he was going for. Everyone blaming games when it was really bad parenting. He showed what a bad game really is. Maybe people will stop blaming halo for a screwed up child with absent parents.
Reminds me of the movie Natural Born Killers.
Reminds me of the movie Natural Born Killers.
Reminds me of the movie Rampage, that was written by a gun-hating liberal.
Reminds me of the movie Rampage, that was written by a gun-hating liberal.
Interesting I didn't know who made that. Makes sense thoughdl. I saw there was a second one on Netflix
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 12:35
Freedom of speach/expression. Take or or leave it
I get the satire he was going for. Everyone blaming games when it was really bad parenting. He showed what a bad game really is. Maybe people will stop blaming halo for a screwed up child with absent parents.
Thought that was Judas Priest , or was it Marilyn Manson ? It's always something, other than Parental Responsibility
cfortune
10-17-2014, 13:18
Interesting I didn't know who made that. Makes sense thoughdl. I saw there was a second one on Netflix
The second one has a decent sized anti gun rant in it by the shooter of all people....
The second one has a decent sized anti gun rant in it by the shooter of all people....
Really? That's propaganda I guess. I have no desire to watch it
Kraven251
10-17-2014, 15:25
this seems more than a whee bit idiotic, surprised it wasn't an AR and the guy wasn't clean cut GI looking... I mean if you are going to to go full retard, why stop short.
...and it will sell like crazy.
HoneyBadger
10-17-2014, 15:46
This game offends me and since I find it offensive it must be banned.
[facepalm] [ROFL3]
Reminds me of the movie Rampage, that was written by a gun-hating liberal.
I haven't seen that one, probably won't either.
ZERO THEORY
10-17-2014, 16:29
The game itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that *WARNING-PUT ON YOUR TINFOIL NOW* it seems to me like a sort of agent provocateur/false flag deal.
1. Make a game that's sure to offend, enrage, scare, and disgust the populace.
2. Ensure the game features high capacity automatic assault ghost guns.
3. Wait for some lunatic to reference the game when he drowns his sister/stabs his mother/shoots his wife/does some other wacko shit.
4. Push for another firearms ban of your choosing.
GTA was one thing, but this is a whole new level of grotesque.
From what I can remember, the purpose of the GTA games wasn't to just run around killing people indiscriminately. (although, that's what most people did.)
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This game is basically no different than GTA; the difference being the actual exposition that says you're going on a rampage verbatim. If you play GTA with someone and DON'T run people over and fight the cops, they'll complain. Just sayin'.
What the Hell? Now there is actually a valid argument that video games encourage mindless and indiscriminate violence.
GTA was one thing, but this is a whole new level of grotesque.
wow wt...... This is some false flag game that obummer ordered to be made.
That's one way to try and further turn people against the gun culture and gun owners.
Reminds me of the movie Rampage, that was written by a gun-hating liberal.
Guess I'm late to this thread.
Reminds me of the movie Rampage, that was written by a gun-hating liberal.
Good. I don't want Uwe Boll on my side. His movies make Ed Wood's movies look like a Steven Spielberg film.
tim-adams
10-17-2014, 17:52
Well when you consider it's illegal to fly an American Flag ( HOA, Town Ord.) in some parts of the country, OR wear a shirt with a picture of it, because it OFFENDS HISPANIC students.
When you are threatened with subpoenas because the mayor wants to know if you're preaching hateful (READ: opposed to gay what ever) sermons.
When you condemn CHRISTIAN GUN OWNERS as BITTER CLINGERS, Yet welcome Mosque knowing they teach Sharia law.
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
It's too late to DRAW A LINE. WE as responsible ADULTS / PARENTS have been OVER RULED. By Schools, Government, HELL for some of you, even HOA'S.
what he said^^^^
this game is way way over the top, and is the essence of desensitivity training..
I wonder how many pre-orders they have/will have as soon as it goes up.
So many things considered to be entertainment by others that I just don't. To each his own...Pursuit of Happiness?
But the first sick SOB that comes out of their basement to live out this or any other sick fantasy should be met with the appropriate Use of Force.
Be safe.
Tagged to watch video later.
Icecoldviper
10-17-2014, 18:46
Holy crap. GTA doesn't have anything on that.
OtterbatHellcat
10-17-2014, 19:15
Someone needs to hack it and make a CCW person in that game and take him out. That'd be pure win.
^^^ This.
I got into FPS's a few years back..had a lot of fun playing them. I get the point of the dude who made this game, but I don't think it's cool either.
Holy crap. GTA doesn't have anything on that.
You ever played GTA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieVJkSiFJug
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meh, stack it up with Left4Dead or that classic JFK Reloaded
*yawn*
1998 called, it wants its moral panic over a video game where the protagonist "goes postal" back.
It so reminded me of Postal... with a little mix of the next-gen GTA, being played by someone who doesn't give a crap about things like plot, story, missions, or anything other than "HOLY CRAP, I'M GONNA KILL EVERYTHING THAT MOVES!" Or as Zero Theory describes perfectly...
This game is basically no different than GTA; the difference being the actual exposition that says you're going on a rampage verbatim. If you play GTA with someone and DON'T run people over and fight the cops, they'll complain. Just sayin'.
I guess I'm just boring and lame, since whenever I play any GTA I usually don't go all out postal and start indiscriminately killing everything.
My thoughts on this game- trying to be like a newer, darker version of postal, and will backfire.
SamuraiCO
10-18-2014, 12:18
Got to be careful the left will paste us just like the character here.
I have to say there is a big difference in GTA and this game. The makers of GTA were smart and allowed you to do that sort of stuff, however it does not advance your progression. This game the carnage seems to be the point, and how you're supposed to play the game. From what I've heard, psychologists say that the violence in shooting games is a release, rather than something to build-up bad tensions. I'm not so sure about the game OP brought up. It seems like a game for angry people.
I have to say there is a big difference in GTA and this game. The makers of GTA were smart and allowed you to do that sort of stuff, however it does not advance your progression. This game the carnage seems to be the point, and how you're supposed to play the game. From what I've heard, psychologists say that the violence in shooting games is a release, rather than something to build-up bad tensions. I'm not so sure about the game OP brought up. It seems like a game for angry people.
When I'm angry, I get out my Nintendo Wii and do 100 pin bowling. Nothing like slaughtering 100 bowling pins all at once.
bobbyfairbanks
10-18-2014, 12:41
My God, who ever made that game thought of that game has a serious mental problem. They have the right to sell it. I really hope people just don't buy that. It is horrible.
I told my wife that we should go get this game off the shelf, and send our 7 year-old through the register by herself and see if they'll sell it to her. My wife is already angry at the theoretical cashier that would ring her up.
My God, who ever made that game thought of that game has a serious mental problem. They have the right to sell it. I really hope people just don't buy that. It is horrible.
Oh come on. People are going to talk about how horrible it is in public forums until everyone knows about it. The moral outrage does nothing but drive up sales.
HoneyBadger
10-18-2014, 12:55
You ever played GTA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieVJkSiFJug
That is incredibly different. The point of GTA is not to slaughter innocents.
I told my wife that we should go get this game off the shelf, and send our 7 year-old through the register by herself and see if they'll sell it to her. My wife is already angry at the theoretical cashier that would ring her up.
GameStop and Walmart both card
RblDiver
10-18-2014, 16:44
Yeah, it's ridiculous looking. I don't mind violence in video games so long as it serves a purpose and a larger narrative. This game looks like violence for violence sake. It's similar to the difference between well-deserved cursing (the weary soldier cursing softly as he's taken from the battlefield) and a 10-year-old trying to be edgy in his squeaky voice (stupid and pointless).
No thanks to this teenage emo/torture porn game.
ZERO THEORY
10-18-2014, 16:50
I told my wife that we should go get this game off the shelf, and send our 7 year-old through the register by herself and see if they'll sell it to her. .
It's a PC game. There's no shelf to get it off of. It'll sell huge amongst high school age 4chan users who think it's edgy and that's about it. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo wouldn't even entertain the idea of releasing it on their systems, and Steam might even pull out; leaving it to the publisher to host downloads.
It's a Steam game. There's no shelf to get it off of. It'll sell huge amongst high school age 4chan users who think it's edgy and that's about it. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo wouldn't even entertain the idea of releasing it on their systems, and Steam might even pull out; leaving it to the publisher to host downloads.
Oh man, my alternate joke was going to be to ask if it was available on Steam. I've been out of the video game scene for quite a while. [gohome]
RblDiver
10-18-2014, 17:49
I don't see any mention of it on Steam yet. Could be they want to be on Steam, but don't have approval yet? No idea.
ZERO THEORY
10-18-2014, 19:18
Oh man, my alternate joke was going to be to ask if it was available on Steam. I've been out of the video game scene for quite a while. [gohome]
If you have Arma 3 or Insurgency, I'd be more than happy to help you get back into it.
I don't see any mention of it on Steam yet. Could be they want to be on Steam, but don't have approval yet? No idea.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gog-responds-to-controversial-ultraviolent-killing/1100-6423023/
Hatred (http://www.gamespot.com/hatred/), an upcoming PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/) game that lets you play the role of a mass murderer, has caused quite a stir (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gameplay-trailer-for-mass-murdering-shooter-is-bey/1100-6423001/)since its beyond brutal gameplay trailer was released this week. Following the trailer's debut, the studio told GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gameplay-trailer-for-mass-murdering-shooter-is-bey/1100-6423001/) that it would like to launch the game through Steam and GOG, but it remains to be seen if either digital distribution platform would approve the game.
Whistler
10-18-2014, 19:25
Where are all the guys screaming "but, but, but our image!"? Fatty and snow boots would be proud.
Far too busy in the real world to waste time on such garbage.
Oh I get your reference!
Honestly.. the game play looks like Diablo II or original. Can't remember.. but since there isn't magic or swords/axes/other pointy things... I mean that's what you did in Diablo, slaughter EVERYTHING. It might be fun to play, I doubt I'll go around blasting innocent people after. no promises though.
That scares me......
I can see the Maybach rolling up on unsuspecting victims now....... then the Ferrari...... at least you would do it in style.
Cheat mode makes the whole game a 'gun-free' zone so that you can get maximum carnage w/o opposition.
Cheat mode makes the whole game a 'gun-free' zone so that you can get maximum carnage w/o opposition.
Chicago style!
That scares me......
I can see the Maybach rolling up on unsuspecting victims now....... then the Ferrari...... at least you would do it in style.
Well the maybach would offer decent protection... Hmmm.
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Guess I'm not disenfranchised enough to get into the game.
Seems like a punk rock mentality. How many people can you piss off? There are those few that get it or think they do.
I can understand the "one up" mentality in the gaming industry. I'm sure Nuns and Baby Rapers isn't too far down the road.
I'm sure it will get blamed for the next mass shooting.
KevDen2005
10-19-2014, 10:39
Well that was horrible....
and does anyone else think he didn't distribute the weight very evenly when he was doing his load out? I mean, everything was on his left side.
Seriously, I'm not a gamer and I always argued against the violent video games theory, while keeping a few things in mind, like developing brains, proper nutrition and health, any mental disorders, and so on. However this goes completely against that argument and in my opinion, and I am not a doctor by any means, I would almost suggest based on everyone's responses (on the first page only) that only those with mental condition would play such a game.
Let the bashing of my opinion begin!
Well that was horrible....
and does anyone else think he didn't distribute the weight very evenly when he was doing his load out? I mean, everything was on his left side.
Seriously, I'm not a gamer and I always argued against the violent video games theory, while keeping a few things in mind, like developing brains, proper nutrition and health, any mental disorders, and so on. However this goes completely against that argument and in my opinion, and I am not a doctor by any means, I would almost suggest based on everyone's responses (on the first page only) that only those with mental condition would play such a game.
Let the bashing of my opinion begin!
I would actually say "Let the consistent agreement with my opinion begin." Well put. Especially the underlined part.
ZERO THEORY
10-19-2014, 12:02
and does anyone else think he didn't distribute the weight very evenly when he was doing his load out? I mean, everything was on his left side.
He wants his weak side to have his kit so he can index properly with the support hand. Hater operator.
I would almost suggest based on everyone's responses (on the first page only) that only those with mental condition would play such a game.
I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say the game is trying to appeal to 14-20 year olds who are trying desperately to rebel and be edgy. The kids that go on 4chan and use the N word and talk about rape because they think they're being subversive and different, that kind of crowd. I'd imagine that any kind of serious lunatic has long since graduated to animal harm or stalking or other real-life outlets. I can't imagine a psychopath being nearly stimulated enough by a video game.
I can't imagine a psychopath being nearly stimulated enough by a video game.
This.
Some people want to believe that only those with mental health issues would play such a game and, much like GTA and other such games, regular people play them too. Quite a bit on fact. Most enjoy the opportunity to act out in a video game what they sometimes could do in real life. It's cathartic to an extent since most (all?) can separate fantasy from reality. I sit back and laugh to myself reading this thread where people want to blame video games for violent actions of a mental defect and then in another thread that same person is willing to die for their 2nd amendment right because it's not the guns that make the violent actions. Oh the ironing.
I 'normal' and adjust individual can see play anything and when they hit the power button it's back to normal life. Someone with a mental health issue doesn't have that same disconnect and it doesn't matter if it's video games, rock music or nothing at all... attempting to apply normal reason and logic to these individuals or actions may make you feel better but is no more accurate than saying these types of video games... or firearm ownership... causes them.
mcantar18c
10-19-2014, 16:30
This.
Some people want to believe that only those with mental health issues would play such a game and, much like GTA and other such games, regular people play them too. Quite a bit on fact. Most enjoy the opportunity to act out in a video game what they sometimes could do in real life. It's cathartic to an extent since most (all?) can separate fantasy from reality. I sit back and laugh to myself reading this thread where people want to blame video games for violent actions of a mental defect and then in another thread that same person is willing to die for their 2nd amendment right because it's not the guns that make the violent actions. Oh the ironing.
I 'normal' and adjust individual can see play anything and when they hit the power button it's back to normal life. Someone with a mental health issue doesn't have that same disconnect and it doesn't matter if it's video games, rock music or nothing at all... attempting to apply normal reason and logic to these individuals or actions may make you feel better but is no more accurate than saying these types of video games... or firearm ownership... causes them.
Guns don't kill people. More to the point though, guns don't interactively train kids' basis to think violence is a not only acceptable but desired course of action to solve problems (extra points for headshots!), among other things.
Video games do.
Guns don't kill people. More to the point though, guns don't interactively train kids' basis to think violence is a not only acceptable but desired course of action to solve problems (extra points for headshots!), among other things.
Video games do.
Do they? We grew up playing violent videos games. My favorite memory was when I showed my dad Subzero's decapitation fatality. He flipped his shit.
Guns don't kill people. More to the point though, guns don't interactively train kids' basis to think violence is a not only acceptable but desired course of action to solve problems (extra points for headshots!), among other things.
Video games do.
Reality disagrees with you. It has been proven to be a release, not a way to build up. Games like this I don't think have been studied, however. Just because you can do these things in other games, they weren't the focus.
mcantar18c
10-19-2014, 16:59
Do they? We grew up playing violent videos games. My favorite memory was when I showed my dad Subzero's decapitation fatality. He flipped his shit.
Playing a violent video game often enough turns killing into a conditioned reflex... rewarding you for that creates the connection that killing = good. This is shown in brain scans of kids playing video games. Not everybody that plays violent video games, or watches violence on the tv/movie screen for that matter, will go out and shoot up a school. But you add a mentally disabled kid, or a kid who is emotionally or mentally unstable, to the mix and it opens up the pathway for violent action.
mcantar18c
10-19-2014, 17:02
Reality disagrees with you. It has been proven to be a release, not a way to build up. Games like this I don't think have been studied, however. Just because you can do these things in other games, they weren't the focus.
I could find a lot more if I spend time on it, but a 30 second Google search will give you this:
http://www2.rsna.org/timssnet/media/pressreleases/pr_target.cfm?ID=570
Playing a violent video game often enough turns killing into a conditioned reflex... rewarding you for that creates the connection that killing = good. This is shown in brain scans of kids playing video games. Not everybody that plays violent video games, or watches violence on the tv/movie screen for that matter, will go out and shoot up a school. But you add a mentally disabled kid, or a kid who is emotionally or mentally unstable, to the mix and it opens up the pathway for violent action.
I don't think you can paint such a broad picture. There are any number of triggers for mentally disabled people. Whether a video game is violent or not, or even exists or not, is irrelevant.
ZERO THEORY
10-19-2014, 17:20
Guns don't kill people. More to the point though, guns don't interactively train kids' basis to think violence is a not only acceptable but desired course of action to solve problems (extra points for headshots!), among other things.
Video games do.
Playing a violent video game often enough turns killing into a conditioned reflex... rewarding you for that creates the connection that killing = good. This is shown in brain scans of kids playing video games. Not everybody that plays violent video games, or watches violence on the tv/movie screen for that matter, will go out and shoot up a school. But you add a mentally disabled kid, or a kid who is emotionally or mentally unstable, to the mix and it opens up the pathway for violent action.
Come on, now. Anyone who's disturbed enough to go on a rampage isn't reaching the tipping point by playing a video game, no matter how over the top.
Come on, now. Anyone who's disturbed enough to go on a rampage isn't reaching the tipping point by playing a video game, no matter how over the top.
You watch using common sense!
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Whistler
10-19-2014, 18:52
Do they? We grew up playing violent videos games. My favorite memory was when I showed my dad Subzero's decapitation fatality. He flipped his shit.
Not all of us, I've never played a video game in my life except Pong. How is the reward stimulus any different than the way rats are trained to navigate a maze?
Not all of us, I've never played a video game in my life except Pong. How is the reward stimulus any different than the way rats are trained to navigate a maze?
Did you grow up to be a professional tennis player or world class ping pong player? Why is it supposedly only negative things that video games cause us to do? This all smacks of a cop-out for shitty parents not willing to take the blame for their own poor parenting. Teach your kids right from wrong and when they're confronted with ANY decision they'll make the right decision, regardless of outside influences.
Great-Kazoo
10-19-2014, 19:09
Did you grow up to be a professional tennis player or world class ping pong player? Why is it supposedly only negative things that video games cause us to do? This all smacks of a cop-out for shitty parents not willing to take the blame for their own poor parenting. Teach your kids right from wrong and when they're confronted with ANY decision they'll make the right decision, regardless of outside influences.
Too late i played the parental responsibility card pg 1 somewhere.
You Even Lift Bro ?
Whistler
10-19-2014, 19:09
I don't necessarily think it causes anyone to commit violent acts however I do believe it modifies what one would consider an acceptable response. It never crossed my mind to beat someone to death, shoot my parents or the myriad of violent responses we see frequently in children these days. I believe inadequate supervision and parenting to be contributors as well, one of the things a responsible parent would do is deny their child access to violent stimulus.
Too late i played the parental responsibility card pg 1 somewhere.
You Even Lift Bro ?
Just bringing it full circle.
I don't necessarily think it causes anyone to commit violent acts however I do believe it modifies what one would consider an acceptable response. It never crossed my mind to beat someone to death, shoot my parents or the myriad of violent responses we see frequently in children these days. I believe inadequate supervision and parenting to be contributors as well, one of the things a responsible parent would do is deny their child access to violent stimulus.
If only nothing violent or terrible had been done the thousands of years before rock music & video games you might have something here.
Whistler
10-19-2014, 19:25
Yeah kids bringing a gun to school because they're pissed at a teacher or some bully happened all the time. Kids beating their parents because they sent them to their room was a common occurrence, I think you're in denial.
Yeah kids bringing a gun to school because they're pissed at a teacher or some bully happened all the time. Kids beating their parents because they sent them to their room was a common occurrence, I think you're in denial.
Again, if only nothing terrible had ever happened before a video game showed them how you might be onto something.
RblDiver
10-19-2014, 19:36
Yeah kids bringing a gun to school because they're pissed at a teacher or some bully happened all the time. Kids beating their parents because they sent them to their room was a common occurrence, I think you're in denial.
Correlation is not causation. I'd argue that a big decline in parenting has had much to do with it, the mentality of a parent being their child's friend, not their parent, that sort of thing.
Can games desensitize? Probably, just like probably humans do have an impact on the environment. The big question in both cases is to what degree. A sensible person knows the difference between violence in games and violence in reality. A psycho will not, no matter what medium they are in.
Arguing that games cause violence is like arguing that guns cause violence. To a limited extent, both may facilitate it, but neither is the cause.
Correlation is not causation. I'd argue that a big decline in parenting has had much to do with it, the mentality of a parent being their child's friend, not their parent, that sort of thing.
Can games desensitize? Probably, just like probably humans do have an impact on the environment. The big question in both cases is to what degree. A sensible person knows the difference between violence in games and violence in reality. A psycho will not, no matter what medium they are in.
Arguing that games cause violence is like arguing that guns cause violence. To a limited extent, both may facilitate it, but neither is the cause.
Exactly the point I was trying to make. It's hypocritical to call for more control on video game and less control on firearms.
Whistler
10-19-2014, 20:11
Again, if only nothing terrible had ever happened before a video game showed them how you might be onto something.
Jer I understand your point, the issue I'm speaking to is prevalence. I certainly don't consider it isolated to one factor.
Correlation is not causation. I'd argue that a big decline in parenting has had much to do with it, the mentality of a parent being their child's friend, not their parent, that sort of thing.
Can games desensitize? Probably, just like probably humans do have an impact on the environment. The big question in both cases is to what degree. A sensible person knows the difference between violence in games and violence in reality. A psycho will not, no matter what medium they are in.
Arguing that games cause violence is like arguing that guns cause violence. To a limited extent, both may facilitate it, but neither is the cause.
I agree correlation is not causation but I also don't think bad parenting is all that new either. I do agree parenting has been impacted by the inability to provide reasonable correction to a child beyond discussion though in this CPS, see-something-say-something, Liberal-dominated, bubble wrap, everyone-gets-a-trophy society there is little recourse. Video games by themselves are not the cause, neither is inadequate parenting whatever the cause.
Those of us who did not grow up in the era of violent video games or movies that glorified violence for the sake of violence and without consequence did not think much beyond a good "ass-whuppin'" as sufficient.
I've said I don't consider it a trigger but a modifier.
Please research behavior modification for more insight.
Whistler
10-19-2014, 20:16
Exactly the point I was trying to make. It's hypocritical to call for more control on video game and less control on firearms.
My kids are grown, I don't care if they control video games or not and don't think I said anything like that. What I said is they modify what an undeveloped mind would consider an acceptable or appropriate response. I have no idea how gun control came into the discussion.
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