Reloading 200gr .356 in a 9x19?

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

I have a question nagging at me, and my reading and internet searching is not turning up answers.....any of you guys have an educated opinion or prior experience that could help? My question is could you run 200gr .356 bullets in an effective load through a (modern) 9mm pistol safely? All my internet searching has turned up is a couple cryptic references to it on a few forums, and I can't tell if they were discussing 9x19 or .38 super since they talked about both lol. I have this 22lb recoil spring looking for a purpose....

[hurley842002]

I don't have an answer other than I don't even know how that would be possible.

[bobbyfairbanks]

Zombie Steve will be around soon enough

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

9mm is listed as .3555, I have seen both .355 and .356 bullets sold for 9mm in varying weights......if the bullet wasn't too long to meet oal, do you think it would be an issue of mass causing stress on components or? I wouldn't expect it to move at the same velocity as a 115gr bullet.

[hurley842002]

I was just thinking OAL doesn't even seem possible. Tagged for more informative responses.

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

Well, I'd still like input if it is possible to load something like this.....but apparently the bullets I thought I had found in .356 measure .358 according to a review and were mislabeled by Midway. Heaviest I can find other then those so far are 150gr. :( Maybe this is why it was bugging me so much, and also why it was so hard to find anything on LOL. (The question came about while I was window shopping reloading components...)

[Hoser]

I have used (and still do) 165 in 9x19. Loaded to 1.135 the base of the bullet causes the case web to swell. At 1.150 it was fine.

I doubt a 200 will work loaded to magazine length unless you are using a 1911 mag then it should work. And you will have to have the chambers leade lengthened to accommodate the longer bullet.

Shoot .356 bullets in a .355 bore is no problem. Back off your charge .1-2 and everything is normal.

[sportbikeco]

If you can make them fit in your magazine and the bullet shape will allow them to feed.

I think they will be way to long, one place i know sells lead 200gr .357 bullets and they are huge.

You could buy some and push them through a sizer and experiment.

What is the goal of shooting a 200gr though?

[Zombie Steve]

The .356 part doesn't bother me. Even .357 with lead... With a 200 grain bullet loaded to max OAL, you're just taking up too much case volume that would be needed for powder. It would be tough... you'd want a fast powder because you don't have the room for a bulky slow powder, but a slow powder is exactly what you'd need to get any decent speed on them at all (I'm thinking in the Blue Dot range). So when you say an "effective" load, the short answer is I doubt it. 500 fps?

Like Hoser said, if you modified a barrel to have a long throat (like 9mm major guys do) it might be closer to do-able (assuming they'll fit in a magazine).


I guess moot point. What you were looking at were bullets made for .357 mag.

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

They were .35 Rem bullets I think. Thanks for the input guys, I am a noob reloader, as in I have had a reloading book for a while and just picked up a 9mm hand-loader to start with.

Honestly, when I saw the rounds in question I started thinking .40 cal out of a 9mm....and wondered how and if it would be possible. Searches and reading did not turn up much for me....then I read the comments and realized it was mislabeled ammo. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/214755/winchester-bullets-35-caliber-356-diameter-200-grain-power-point-box-of-100-bulk-packaged

Hoser where do you get the 165 pills if you don't mind me asking?

[Irving]

You don't even shoot 200gr pulls out of .40.

[Great-Kazoo]

They were .35 Rem bullets I think. Thanks for the input guys, I am a noob reloader, as in I have had a reloading book for a while and just picked up a 9mm hand-loader to start with.

Honestly, when I saw the rounds in question I started thinking .40 cal out of a 9mm....and wondered how and if it would be possible. Searches and reading did not turn up much for me....then I read the comments and realized it was mislabeled ammo. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/214755/winchester-bullets-35-caliber-356-diameter-200-grain-power-point-box-of-100-bulk-packaged

Hoser where do you get the 165 pills if you don't mind me asking?

I have recipes from older books for 160gr.

[Hoser]

You don't even shoot 200gr pulls out of .40.

I shot 220s for a few years out of my 40.

[Hoser]

Hoser where do you get the 165 pills if you don't mind me asking?

Extreme makes them. Their 147s are a much better option.

[Zombie Steve]

What barrel? I wouldn't think they would stabilize...

[Irving]

I shot 220s for a few years out of my 40.

But you don't anymore right? I remember you mentioning at one point that over 180gr in a .40 isn't ideal.

[Hoser]

But you don't anymore right? I remember you mentioning at one point that over 180gr in a .40 isn't ideal.

Back in the stone ages when the power factors were much higher, the 200 and 220 were good options. Now that you only have to push a 180 to just over 900 fps, almost everyone uses 180s.