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SuperiorDG
10-28-2014, 16:26
Okay this is out of hand. Two "news" stories today about dudes hitting on or talking to women and being seen as rude or down right criminal.
First is this: Woman walks around NYC for 10 hours and records 2 minutes of "comments" made to her, one guy told her "God bless you." All considered rude or down right harassment.
http://wtkr.com/2014/10/28/watch-what-this-woman-heard-walking-around-new-york-city-for-10-hours-will-shock-and-disgust-you/
NEW YORK, NY – For ten hours on a recent day, Shoshana Roberts (http://shoshanabroberts.wix.com/shoshanabroberts) simply walked around New York City. She was silent as she walked, but a hidden camera recorded everything that was said to her, and it’s not pretty.
She was wearing jeans and a crewneck T-shirt.
The video shows total stranger after total stranger calling to Roberts, approaching her & verbally harassing her. “This doesn’t include the countless winks, whistles, etc,” wrote the filmmaker.
The video was just posted on YouTube by a non-profit, Hollaback, devoted to ending street harassment in cities around the world (http://www.ihollaback.org/).
Some of the displays captured on video are downright scary. At one point Roberts is followed for more than 5 minutes by a stranger. At another point she is berated by a different stranger trying to force his phone number upon her.
At the end of the video the filmmaker reveals that in the 10 hours of shooting Roberts was subjected to more than 100 instances of verbal street harassment across diverse neighborhoods throughout the city.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A
Another story is a guy has a little too much to drank on a plane and hits on the Attendants and is thrown in jail and faces 20 year behind bars and $250,000 in fines.
DENVER — A Ukrainian man was arrested at Denver International Airport late on Monday night after making unwanted sexual advances towards two female flight attendants, U.S. Attorney John F. Walsh confirmed.
Walsh’s office said Vadym Pecherskyi, 42, was on board a Delta flight from Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson Airport to Denver at the time of the incident, which was first reported by an FBI agent around 9 p.m.
“The agent learned that passenger Vadym Pecherskyi, who was on Delta Flight 2525, had made unwanted sexual advances toward two female flight attendants,” Walsh’s office wrote in a press release. “The defendant had been served at least two alcoholic drinks before his behavior.”
Both flight attendants indicated they “felt they could not adequately perform their assigned duties” due to Pecherskyi’s advances, Walsh wrote, and their stories were corroborated by a passenger on board the flight.
Pecherskyi, who is scheduled to hear the charges against him on Wednesday, is most likely to be charged with interference with flight crew members, Walsh wrote. If that occurs, he would face not more than 20 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine.
http://kdvr.com/2014/10/28/man-arrested-at-dia-for-making-sexual-advances-toward-flight-attendants/
Watch what you do boys.
Dont get me started on this...
I just made a large donation, this is a travesty I can't believe it's happening.
As for the first story, a crusade to end street harassment is about the same as preaching about adolescent bullying or world hunger.
I vote World Peace. and she has a FAT ass.
SuperiorDG
10-28-2014, 17:44
I vote World Peace. and she has a FAT ass.
You know what they say?
ringhilt
10-28-2014, 21:24
Give women what they want. Stop talking to them. Unless you have legitimate business with them, don't interact with them. This is what they want, so give it to them.
ZERO THEORY
10-28-2014, 22:00
She's wearing skin-tight clothing, walking around Harlem, and acting like she's offended. LOL, k.
Another story is a guy has a little too much to drank on a plane and hits on the Attendants and is thrown in jail and faces 20 year behind bars and $250,000 in fines.
DENVER — A Ukrainian man was arrested at Denver International Airport late on Monday night after making unwanted sexual advances towards two female flight attendants, U.S. Attorney John F. Walsh confirmed.
Walsh’s office said Vadym Pecherskyi, 42, was on board a Delta flight from Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson Airport to Denver at the time of the incident, which was first reported by an FBI agent around 9 p.m.
“The agent learned that passenger Vadym Pecherskyi, who was on Delta Flight 2525, had made unwanted sexual advances toward two female flight attendants,” Walsh’s office wrote in a press release. “The defendant had been served at least two alcoholic drinks before his behavior.”
Both flight attendants indicated they “felt they could not adequately perform their assigned duties” due to Pecherskyi’s advances, Walsh wrote, and their stories were corroborated by a passenger on board the flight.
Pecherskyi, who is scheduled to hear the charges against him on Wednesday, is most likely to be charged with interference with flight crew members, Walsh wrote. If that occurs, he would face not more than 20 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine.
http://kdvr.com/2014/10/28/man-arrested-at-dia-for-making-sexual-advances-toward-flight-attendants/
Watch what you do boys.
This is that guy from 2 Broke Girls? The cook? You know, the one that used to hit Stiffler's mom after she got big.
Is it just me or were most of those just compliments? Way more religion in New York than I thought. I've never used God in my pickup lines.
mcantar18c
10-28-2014, 22:27
She's lucky that after walking through NY for 10 hours all she got was compliments...er... whatever.
I have no interest in watching the video.
As a general rule, I try to talk to any women the way I would like other men to talk to my mother, my daughter, or my wife...respectfully and politely.
Being a decent human being really isn't as difficult as some people like to make it seem.
Be safe.
Whistler
10-28-2014, 23:04
She struck out with a predetermined conclusion, it took her 10 hours to prove it in one of the offensive cities on the planet. No wonder she's mad. Adding insult to injury she probably got paid less than a man to do it. [ROFL1]
disclosure: ts;dw (too stupid, didn't watch)
Woman guys? Is that like this fellow (the one on the left)?:
http://img2-3.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/09/sons-of-anarchy-guest.jpg
She should have walked around Highlands Ranch for 10 hours.
Great-Kazoo
10-28-2014, 23:43
Woman guys? Is that like this fellow (the one on the left)?:
http://img2-3.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/09/sons-of-anarchy-guest.jpg
You know who that is don't you? Without googling it.........
Great-Kazoo
10-28-2014, 23:46
Some chick wants to walk around NY trying to look like a low rent version of those Karcrashdian kids, good for her. Next time wear joggers pushing a stroller with 2 kids, see if the responses are the same.
You know who that is don't you? Without googling it.........
The dude from The Shield.
Great-Kazoo
10-29-2014, 00:07
The dude from The Shield.
Correct. Shane, he also plays Boyd Crowder on Justified. Walt Goggins does a fine job as the gender bender, not to mention the makeup people . Wonder how long it takes to get in costume. Anyone ?
Madeinhb
10-29-2014, 00:23
Give women what they want. Stop talking to them. Unless you have legitimate business with them, don't interact with them. This is what they want, so give it to them.
I agree. Most of that video isn't harassing. Just guys wanting to talk. Funny thing is they complain they don't want this, but when guys stop approaching - they complain how there are no "real men" left wanting to talk.
ZERO THEORY
10-29-2014, 07:45
You know who that is don't you? Without googling it.........
One of two shows I still watch. After it ends, I might have to bow out of the TV game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp6Rnesv0yk
SuperiorDG
10-29-2014, 08:59
I agree. Most of that video isn't harassing. Just guys wanting to talk. Funny thing is they complain they don't want this, but when guys stop approaching - they complain how there are no "real men" left wanting to talk.
Just give a few years girls. You will soon hit what I call the "salmon swim age." Once you go up stream there is no going back.
I can't believe you guys. How many of you watched that video?, vs just assumed it was some feminazi that started screeching about harassment when someone gave her a friendly 'hi'? Did you deliberately ignore the skeevy pimp tone that was used? Did you simply not notice the creepy guy that walked next to her for over four minutes, setting his pace with hers? Did you not see her reaction?
Sure, some of the 'greetings' are harder to pin down. It may be that they greet a number of strangers (to include males) like that. But the majority of them aren't the, "You look great!" variety. They hold the implicit tone of "Hey baby, Wanna f-?" There's a very slippery slope with that sort of thing, and the higher the number, the more a feeling of menace builds up. You can see the stress in her face by the end of the video. In the beginning, she was simply walking and trying to ignore it. You can do that for a while, but when it starts to build up, it builds up fast and your instincts tell you to get the hell out of there.
Oh, but then again, we should look at your enlightened comments, shall we? After all, gun advocates suggest women should carry concealed to prevent rape. Right? Because rapists broadcast their intent. They menace. They skirt the line, and behave JUST barely within the parameters of proper etiquette...such as walking just within a person's space, deliberately making them nervous as a power play.
"Give 'em what they want, and don't talk with them?" So, it's either business or harassment? You think we welcome such stuff as a compliment?
She's wearing skin tight clothes, eh? The next time you go out in public, see how many women her age are wearing loose or baggy clothes. Here's a hint: just like in the 70's, when all you could find in the stores were bell-bottom jeans, skinny jeans are about the only thing available. The implication of "She's wearing skin tight clothes," is a) that women should not wear jeans, unless they are way too big and don't fit them at all, and b) since the clothes they are wearing happen to touch their bodies, they're just asking for it if they're raped, right? You know what? Maybe women should wear burkhas, so they don't tempt men. because that's clearly what she's doing, wearing those jeans and that tshirt and walking down the street like that.
She's got a FAT ass? I'm sure this was posted by the Adonis of the community, who has no beer gut, flat ass, big thighs, flabby arms, double chin, scraggy beard or anything else. I come from the fat ass crowd, so I feel more than qualified to state that it's damn hard to find clothes that fit well when you've got a lot of junk in the trunk. So she's got a curvy figure. So what? Does that mean that because she fits into a certain figure type, that she's inviting attention like that? Do you see her stopping and striking poses, encouraging men to think she'd like to do the nasty with them?
She is NOT dressed like the Kardashians. She is not posing. She is not some trumped-up media invention, trying to drag in ratings for a 'reality show.' If you doubt tis, Google "Kardashian" and look at the image, and then look at this video again.
For those of you who think that "It took her ten hours to come up with that," do remember she has not included the catcalls, whistles, et. To make it a bit more relatable, let's replace it with something else. Instead of catcalls and harassment, let's say it's you walking down the streets of New York, and instead of harassment, let's replace them with punches. Better yet, since the harassment leaves no physical marks, how about we say that various strangers simply take a swing at you. They don't actually HIT you. But they are a threat. Even if only 1% of all the people you encounter pull this, after ten hours, it's still a lot more people than you expect.
If you're not one of the tl:dr crowd because it flies against your good-ol-boy attitudes, I'd like you to imagine your wife, your mother, your grandmother, your daughter, or any other female that you love in place of this woman walking down the street. This woman is someone's daughter. She could be someone's wife. She could be someone's mother.
When I was five years old, I walked with my Mom to the convenience store, a block and a half away. We had just come out of the alley from our home and were on the street when a guy came up to my Mom, muttered something to her and walked for a few steps right next to her. She had such a tight grip on my hand that I started to yell, and he quickly walked away. Mom grabbed me up and ran to the store. She was 22 at the time, and I remember that day like it was yesterday, because she was terrified.
Would your attitudes change if she had a child with her? How about if she had her elderly mother with her?
Why are these asshole remarks okay because she's trying to show the world what most of us women already know?
I was really wrong about you guys. I thought women were welcome here.
I can't believe you guys.
^What are you trying to say?
[Sarcasm2][Peep]
buffalobo
10-29-2014, 13:17
I showed the video to my wife and asked her what she thought. Her reply was to stay away from this thread, no winners to be had.
I showed the video to my wife and asked her what she thought. Her reply was to stay away from this thread, no winners to be had.
You have a very smart wife.
buffalobo
10-29-2014, 13:28
You have a very smart wife.
Just lucky I didn't pop off a couple smart azz posts before I ask her input.
hollohas
10-29-2014, 13:30
Get 'em Grey.
PS - I have two daughters and while I want them to grow up thick skinned and learn not to let it ruin their day if/when they get disrespected I know I will also have a hard time keeping it cool if some random stranger disrespects them on the street in front of me.
Heck, I am scared to tell any woman how she looks, or ask her a question, unless necessary. You never know what you are going to get. :)
Seriously, I certainly see how some of the people in the video would have made her nervous and several of them may in fact meet the legal definition of harassment. But some of them seemed entirely benign as well.
Maybe I should have just taken Kevin's wife's advice. :)
In an age where it's encouraged to do whatever feels good and "beautiful" people are put to the top of the social pyramid, we've done this to ourselves, as a society.
I have no interest in watching the video.
As a general rule, I try to talk to any women the way I would like other men to talk to my mother, my daughter, or my wife...respectfully and politely.
Being a decent human being really isn't as difficult as some people like to make it seem.
Be safe.
It's not but the strangest part is.. You're just as creepy doing that.
wctriumph
10-29-2014, 15:29
Oh well, life goes on. It won't change the way I vote.
Be safe out there.
68Charger
10-29-2014, 15:49
Disclaimer: I didn't watch the video, what's the point?
I was once told by a former NYC resident when I was wearing an outfit bought by my girlfriend at the time (who is now my wife) that "if I ditched the shirt, and just wore those pants and that vest in the city, every man woman and child would be after me" He was as queer as the day is long, so I'm assuming that It'd be mostly men with that reaction, probably in Greenwich Village... That was 25 years ago... so in places like that, flaunt it and they'll assume you want the attention..
stupid is as stupid does.
Your gf picked your outfits?
RblDiver
10-29-2014, 16:29
I can't believe you guys. How many of you watched that video?, vs just assumed it was some feminazi that started screeching about harassment when someone gave her a friendly 'hi'? Did you deliberately ignore the skeevy pimp tone that was used? Did you simply not notice the creepy guy that walked next to her for over four minutes, setting his pace with hers? Did you not see her reaction?
I watched it. I thought most were lousy pickup lines, not harassment. But even if they were, she's walking through NYC for 10 hours, clearly with the intent of recording "harassment" on tape. That's like trying to find a plastic bag at a dump, not very difficult.
Would I speak like that to a woman? No. Do I think it's appropriate speech? No. But do I think it was harassment? No (with a few exceptions, like phone guy).
75% of what happened to that woman was not harassment, if you think otherwise then don't be such a sensitive, whiney bitch and go hide from any social interaction. Young men are horny dogs (for the most part- generalizing here). A semi attractive woman walks the mean streets of any urban center for 10 hours (this is called trolling) and she's going to get hit on, complimented, crept on, and whistled at. Did some of you forget this was in NYC? These are the same people who voted for Obama, Cuomo, Bloomberg, Clinton. If she had done the same in rural TX or WY she probably would have been pissed about the cordial and friendly 'Hello's' she received. That's trolling folks; if you spend enough time sifting, trying, experimenting, etc you're going to eventually prove the biased point you set out to prove.
Whistler
10-29-2014, 17:09
Cuts both ways Grey, women don't have a monopoly on discrimination, harassment or persecution. I can't even keep count the number of the times I've held a door, offered assistance with a heavy package, picked up a dropped item, offered my seat or most any respectful act I was raised with for a female and received a harsh comment for the courtesy or as with this women, disdainfully ignored, in my experience men just say "thanks". Or the innumerable times I've been insulted for nothing more than being a man and a handy target for some women's bad mood or perpetually persecuted and condescending attitude. I'm not an intimidating looking guy and I certainly treat everyone male or female with respect and courtesy, I don't deserve that crap either. A kinder, gentler society is a lofty goal but it's not what we have and a one-sided back-handed generalization of men as borderline sexual predators is unrealistic, unfair, unhelpful and candidly insulting. I'm fed up to my eyes with the continuous attacks against middle aged white guys, the unfounded characterizations as misogynistic, predatory, opportunists. The cherry picked statistics, the ridiculous accusations, the offensive generalizations and the shrieks for equality that translate to demands for special treatment.
Upset about what clothing is available in the store you shop at? How in good conscience could that be blamed on me or men in general? Don't women dominate the fashion industry? Are there rude men out there? Of course there are, women too; murderers, rapists, thieves and all manner of scumbags and deviants of both sexes and (what's the count now?) 57 genders? I'm just as fed up as you are with the symptoms of the declining morals in our society but women contribute to it in equal measure with men. A fair documentary and something I could support would show how pervasive such behavior is in today's society not a biased hit piece on how slimy men are and how poor persecuted women suffer the slings and arrows. I take offense to the assertion my "good 'ol boy" attitude has any bearing at all in refusing to watch yet another feminist attack against all men as though it were any less irrelevant than Andrew Dice Clay.
Imagine all women were my wife, mother or sister? How many of them would you speculate are deserving of that respect? Do you perceive all friendly gestures from strange men as you would from your father, husband or brother? I'd venture I'm a damn sight more respectful and assume less implied affront then the average female. I welcome women everywhere but they don't get a pass for bad behavior because they've experienced bad behavior, unwelcome advances, discrimination, persecution or fear, we all have stories to tell. Just because most men don't fear being raped on the sidewalk by some random pervert in no way lessens the impact of their negative experience, women don't typically fear being beaten to death by four guys in a parking lot with baseball bats for "looking at my women" either, different but the same.
I'm sure you're a very nice person, so am I but just as your experience makes you sensitive to the topic, mine does as well. This is symptomatic of our society brought on by Liberal Progressive anything goes so long as I like it mindset, not exclusive to men. What you perceive as "asshole remarks" I perceive as the same angst you communicate, two sides of the same coin. My apologies if you took offense to my comment however I perceive it no differently than the implicit "Hey baby, Wanna f-?" read into every "hello" or kind gesture. Cuts both ways.
ZERO THEORY
10-29-2014, 17:19
since the clothes they are wearing happen to touch their bodies, they're just asking for it if they're raped, right?
Stopped reading right here. I didn't suggest she was asking to be raped. Nor was she raped. Nor was any danger of rape present. Or implied. Or at all relevant to the conversation.
The fact of the matter is that she does have the ability to not wear form-fitting clothing, and she does have the ability to not intentionally spend most of the time around 125th and 7th. Furthermore, I get "harassed" by the homeless whenever I go downtown. If I'm walking around dressed well, I can't act shocked that a hobo sees me as someone who will potentially have money to give. If it's that big of a problem, maybe I should take steps to not encourage the behavior (or better yet avoid the situation all-together).
And I will stress for a third time that she wasn't "walking around Manhattan". She was very sneaky in starting the video in the financial district, then immediately cutting away. She then walks around Harlem until it gets dark (convenient), then heads to Times Square where street peddlers and hobos congregate to try to get money from well-off people. She knew she could get attention from a similar crowd while maintaining safety by being in a crowded public area. I'd love to see how uneventful this video would be if she walked around Soho or the village.
Great-Kazoo
10-29-2014, 17:51
If she was a real NYC woman and felt harassed by someone. She would have turned to them and yelled WHAT'S YOUR FUCKIN PROBLEM? Get lost or i'm calling the cops after i kick you in the balls.
She was trolling for the responses she sought . I'd say that area was somewhat more latino & black than anglo, however that would make me a racist in her eyes. Just one more thing to justify her agenda.
IF WE (generalization of the board) didn't accept women. I doubt you would have received the welcome you did, as well as the interaction in the PWT, GD and other forums you have posted. IIRC there has been no personal attacks or blatant derogatory sexist comments towards you. IF there had been, i doubt that Former board member would still be here.
SuperiorDG
10-29-2014, 18:15
Love the local news headline. They make it sound like the two minute video is repetitiveness of the 10 hour walk. I'm with you guys that say she was trolling.
"HOLLABACK VIDEO: New York City woman endures street harassment, catcalls for 10 hours"
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/trending/hollaback-video-new-york-city-woman-endures-street-harassment-catcalls-for-10-hours10292014
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2014, 18:24
Let us all chip in and buy her a husband!
68Charger
10-29-2014, 19:33
Your gf picked your outfits?
She BOUGHT me an outfit, and asked me to wear it to a party with her class (I was in Engineering, she was in CIS)...
I had plenty of my own style, and tended to stick to that after this incident...
Thanks for second guessing me, with something that happened 25 years ago, really? [BooHoo]
I didn't even mention his "roomate" Chip who thought I looked hot... [facepalm]
Did I mention that I looked like 15-16 Years old in College?
(ok, now I sound desperately homophobic... but really I'm explaining why I am)
I'll let my woman buy me clothes all day long.
Great-Kazoo
10-29-2014, 19:48
I'll let my woman buy me clothes all day long.
68charger is talking street NOT adult clothing.
theGinsue
10-29-2014, 20:55
This thread is now closed.
I'm not sure why we have to remind the membership here at least quarterly, but once again I'll repeat myself and say:
THIS IS A FAMILY SITE!
Regardless of how you feel about the points the woman in the video were trying to make, that's no reason to sink down and act like knuckle-dragging yard apes.
Perhaps I gave the members of this site too much credit, but many of the comments I read here were crude, tasteless and crass.
I don't always agree with all of his positions and thoughts, but I will say that the one person I've always been able to count on here to behave like a gentleman who I'd be honored to introduce to my mother, wife and daughter is Chuck. His comment below is truly the only decent one I read in the entire thread.
As a general rule, I try to talk to any women the way I would like other men to talk to my mother, my daughter, or my wife...respectfully and politely.
Being a decent human being really isn't as difficult as some people like to make it seem.
Be safe.
I get it, most of the members here are men. Men with egos and testosterone who feel the need to publicly demonstrate their virility by acting like stereotypical penis-driven bohunks out of Brooklyn, NY. (no offense to those from Brooklyn - just using an available stereotype)
Well guys, I'm not saying we should start filling the place with potpourri or lace doilies, but I wish we have a LOT more ladies that participated in this site. I wish my wife and daughter (both AR owners) were members here. Am I the only one of us with specials ladies in our life that would like those ladies to know more about firearms? How many of you wish that the ladies in your lives knew some of the personal safety and security concepts discussed here?
I think that if we men could keep from scratching ourselves and acting like a bunch of sub-IQ construction workers, who feel the need to wolf-whistle at every woman who happens by, we might start to appeal to more ladies.
Now, if none of the above has appealed to your sensibilities, I don't care. Start acting like respectable gentlemen on your own, or the staff will help you.
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