View Full Version : Re manufactured ammo?
I am fairly certain I know what the answer will be to this issue I'm having, I would just like a little knowledge along with it. I am only about 7 years into my fire arms learning, so be understanding if my understanding is on the thin side.
I just purchased my 3rd firearm, BPM patrolman's AR-15. I think it's a very well made rifle and really don't think my issues are a reflection on the gun itself.
Right after buying it I went to the Tanner Gun Show and bought 500 rounds of remanufactured 2.23. I went to the gun range and at least 3/4 of the 50 rounds I TRIED to fire from it jammed. (No firing pin mark on round, had to hold onto charge handle and bang buttstock against table to get it released.) I gave up, took the rifle home and cleaned/lubed the hell out of the AR and went back the next day. Same issue but I gave up on 4th try. I purchased a 100 rounds of American Eagle 5.56 at the range and shot about 60 rounds without any issues.
i think I learned my lesson on remanufactured ammo from gun shows (though that may be an unfair conclusion) I really thought an AR would be pretty forgiving but it seems very finicky. I have a Springfield XDM 40 cal and a JR Carbine 9mm and they shoot the gun show ammo with not one issue. Based on my experience with the 2.23, what are your guy's thoughts on the issue?
Much appreciated!
colorider
10-28-2014, 22:37
I have seen a lot of reman 223 and/or556 gunshow ammo that is total crap. I would never buy some no name stuff from a gun show because of this. There is also a reman on Cheaper then Dirt called "quality american ammo" that is the worst crap I have ever seen. Bullets seated crooked, too deep, some fall out.
If you want good reman ammo, use freedom munitions. Freedommunitions.com is their site. I have not had a failure in thousands of rounds.
If you are uncertain about a reman brand, best to ask here as there are probably several people who have tried it.
I have seen a lot of reman 223 and/or556 gunshow ammo that is total crap. I would never buy some no name stuff from a gun show because of this. There is also a reman on Cheaper then Dirt called "quality american ammo" that is the worst crap I have ever seen. Bullets seated crooked, too deep, some fall out.
If you want good reman ammo, use freedom munitions. Freedommunitions.com is their site. I have not had a failure in thousands of rounds.
If you are uncertain about a reman brand, best to ask here as there are probably several people who have tried it.
Meh,
I have some freedom m855 that will not cycle well suppressed while Federal/LC green tip and even wolf will cycle every time.
Great-Kazoo
10-29-2014, 00:01
I am fairly certain I know what the answer will be to this issue I'm having, I would just like a little knowledge along with it. I am only about 7 years into my fire arms learning, so be understanding if my understanding is on the thin side.
I just purchased my 3rd firearm, BPM patrolman's AR-15. I think it's a very well made rifle and really don't think my issues are a reflection on the gun itself.
Right after buying it I went to the Tanner Gun Show and bought 500 rounds of remanufactured 2.23. I went to the gun range and at least 3/4 of the 50 rounds I TRIED to fire from it jammed. (No firing pin mark on round, had to hold onto charge handle and bang buttstock against table to get it released.) I gave up, took the rifle home and cleaned/lubed the hell out of the AR and went back the next day. Same issue but I gave up on 4th try. I purchased a 100 rounds of American Eagle 5.56 at the range and shot about 60 rounds without any issues.
i think I learned my lesson on remanufactured ammo from gun shows (though that may be an unfair conclusion) I really thought an AR would be pretty forgiving but it seems very finicky. I have a Springfield XDM 40 cal and a JR Carbine 9mm and they shoot the gun show ammo with not one issue. Based on my experience with the 2.23, what are your guy's thoughts on the issue?
Much appreciated!
Who was the vendor? There was / is some crap at the shows, sounds like you purchased some.
DenverGP
10-29-2014, 00:42
The main reason I voted no on it is because I just shoot my own reloads. If I could buy decent re manufactured as cheap as I can reload, then I'd probably do it. But if I'm paying close to the same price as new ammo, it seems pretty pointless. For 9mm, I've seen Freedom Munitions stuff at around 21 cents a round, and I can get new blazer brass and PMC for around 23 or 24 cents a round. For that small a difference, I wouldn't mess with it. My father in law was shooting some reman'd stuff he got at Centennial gun club, and had 2 squibs over a couple week span. I would have stopped shooting that stuff after the first squib.
This pretty much sums up my "No".
The main reason I voted no on it is because I just shoot my own reloads. If I could buy decent re manufactured as cheap as I can reload, then I'd probably do it. But if I'm paying close to the same price as new ammo, it seems pretty pointless. For 9mm, I've seen Freedom Munitions stuff at around 21 cents a round, and I can get new blazer brass and PMC for around 23 or 24 cents a round. For that small a difference, I wouldn't mess with it. My father in law was shooting some reman'd stuff he got at Centennial gun club, and had 2 squibs over a couple week span. I would have stopped shooting that stuff after the first squib.
I agree with what looks like everyone....and really, even for target practice, it really isn't that much less cost. I need to learn to buy smaller quantities of WHATEVER ammo I buy and make sure it works well with my particular weapon. ANYONE HAVE EXPERIANCE WITH PMC X-TAC?
I only shoot re-manufactured ammo. Of course, I'm the re-manufacturer. I wouldn't pay for reloads from anyone but a few trusted loaders I know personally.
Get a round to an experienced loader who can measure the length to the shoulder and ogive. My money is on the shoulder being too long.
I have a friend how only shoots his own reloads, swears by it as he perfectly balances the load for himself and he's a perfectionist. I'm a bit more "normal" not to mention my attention span is for $h1t. This is something left better in the hands of someone more built for the work. I'm finding myself in a situation where I need to buy new rounds or allow myself to purchase remanufactured/reloaded (those are essentially the same?) No? It seems the money savings isn't worth it, I now have 500 rounds ($170) that I won't be using. Huge waste.
Theres only a handful of guys here that I would shoot thier reloads, I would not buy remo ammo unless I was going to pull it and reload it myself.
Pull it for components.
I have a friend how only shoots his own reloads, swears by it as he perfectly balances the load for himself and he's a perfectionist. I'm a bit more "normal" not to mention my attention span is for $h1t. This is something left better in the hands of someone more built for the work. I'm finding myself in a situation where I need to buy new rounds or allow myself to purchase remanufactured/reloaded (those are essentially the same?) No? It seems the money savings isn't worth it, I now have 500 rounds ($170) that I won't be using. Huge waste.
Great-Kazoo
10-29-2014, 11:56
Pull it for components.
I'd check each round before doing that. Still don't know who the vendor is or what brass was used. I doubt it's possible but he might have shitty brass from Amerc mixed in there. I found a 38spl amerc mixed in with the stuff i have. Ended up going through all the 38 , making sure there was not any more.
One of my good friends was the lead instructor at the WY LE academy and showed me picts and the reports of several ARs and more than a dozen Glock 22s that were blown apart (some with serious injury to the officer) due to HSM ammo.
DenverGP
10-29-2014, 12:53
reports of several ARs and more than a dozen Glock 22s that were blown apart (some with serious injury to the officer) due to HSM ammo.
Wouldn't you think they'd stop using it after the first one or two incidents?
Wouldn't you think they'd stop using it after the first one or two incidents?
It was what was available and they had to maintain qualifications & documentation. Higher ups thought potential injury was less an issue then spending more money, I guess. The FIs could only do so much...
One of my good friends was the lead instructor at the WY LE academy and showed me picts and the reports of several ARs and more than a dozen Glock 22s that were blown apart (some with serious injury to the officer) due to HSM ammo.
I won't touch their run of the mill ammo, ran some 9mm that was total crap, but I have had good success with the HSM Berger VLD loaded .308. Good stuff.
I'd check each round before doing that. Still don't know who the vendor is or what brass was used. I doubt it's possible but he might have shitty brass from Amerc mixed in there. I found a 38spl amerc mixed in with the stuff i have. Ended up going through all the 38 , making sure there was not any more.
Im not looking forward examining every one of the 500 rounds but, what would I be checking for in layman's terms? Or does it just take experience to know what to look for? I'm over this ammo, I just really don't know what to do with it now....
trlcavscout
10-29-2014, 21:45
I don't shoot it unless I reload it anymore. I had the same problem with 223 ammo last time I bought some.
Great-Kazoo
10-29-2014, 22:41
Im not looking forward examining every one of the 500 rounds but, what would I be checking for in layman's terms? Or does it just take experience to know what to look for? I'm over this ammo, I just really don't know what to do with it now....
High primers, OAL not in spec, anything you have a question about put aside. Better to ask here then posting pics of your lunched upper & lower. You'd be surprised how many reloaders have pullled more than that due to something they didn't catch, or had doubt about.
If you're that concerned sell it in the ammo & reloading forum as components, NEED to be pulled.
Regarding the HSM stuff. Picked up 150 rds the seller threw in since he was no longer shooting. That stuff after my 1st experience with their 9, was pulled.
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