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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822370/Navy-SEAL-killed-bin-Laden-revealed-Rob-O-Neill-named-Seal-Team-Six-hero-shot-terror-chief-three-times-head-inspired-series-Hollywood-roles.html
EXCLUSIVE - Navy SEAL who killed bin Laden revealed: Rob O'Neill named as SEAL Team Six hero who shot 9/11 mastermind three times in head - and has already inspired series of Hollywood films
SEAL Rob O'Neill named ahead of Fox interview in which he will tell how he killed bin Laden and why he is giving up his anonymity
Navy hero is upset at lack of healthcare and retirement after leaving the service and wants to speak out
In an exclusive interview with MailOnline, Rob's father reveals he and his son are NOT worried about being in the ISIS crosshairs
Dad says 'I'll paint a big target on my front door and say come and get us'
His actions have already featured in three movies including Captain Phillips, Zero Dark Thirty and Lone Survivor
Decision to out himself as 'the shooter' has caused fury at SEAL headquarters and in the Pentagon
'Family man' completed more than 400 combat missions, killed more than 30 targets and is one of the most-decorated SEALs ever
By Martin Gould In Butte, Montana For Mailonline
Published: 15:22 EST, 5 November 2014 | Updated: 15:50 EST, 5 November 2014
'Family man' completed more than 400 combat missions, killed more than 30 targets and is one of the most-decorated SEALs ever
Can somebody explain to me why anyone this sentence accurately describes should ever have to worry about paying for healthcare, basic housing needs, or a drink at any bar in the USA?
When does he get his CMH?
The last time this happened it was a lie. The navy described the actual shooter as very short. From the pics it doesn't appear that the physical description fits..
BushMasterBoy
11-05-2014, 17:29
51841I killed him. You don't wake me out of a nice sleep and get away with it.
Can somebody explain to me why anyone this sentence accurately describes should ever have to worry about paying for healthcare, basic housing needs, or a drink at any bar in the USA?
When does he get his CMH?
How much time do you have? He is bitching because he isnt getting full retirement -- because he quit EARLY.. Sorry, that is the way it works. Just because you shoot lots of people and do cool things doesn't mean you get to violate your contract.
He is a professional speaker now making a ton more money. He traded in his full retirement to get out early and make more while the story is hot. This isnt rocket science. Its a calculated move to maximize gains over a short period of time in hopes that it will be larger than the gains made over a longer period of time.
All that said - Fuck him. While I am super appreciative of him and those like him, anyone who talks needs to have a giant dick in their ass full time. Sorry, but there isnt any room for negotiation here. There is no real difference between him and Snowden at this point.
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How much time do you have? He is bitching because he isnt getting full retirement -- because he quit EARLY.. Sorry, that is the way it works. Just because you shoot lots of people and do cool things doesn't mean you get to violate your contract.
He is a professional speaker now making a ton more money. He traded in his full retirement to get out early and make more while the story is hot. This isnt rocket science. Its a calculated move to maximize gains over a short period of time in hopes that it will be larger than the gains made over a longer period of time.
All that said - Fuck him. While I am super appreciative of him and those like him, anyone who talks needs to have a giant dick in their ass full time. Sorry, but there isnt any room for negotiation here. There is no real difference between him and Snowden at this point.
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So you wouldn't buy the man a drink and thank him for his service?
Snowden? Really? Which one is hiding in Russia?
How much time do you have? He is bitching because he isnt getting full retirement -- because he quit EARLY.. Sorry, that is the way it works. Just because you shoot lots of people and do cool things doesn't mean you get to violate your contract.
He is a professional speaker now making a ton more money. He traded in his full retirement to get out early and make more while the story is hot. This isnt rocket science. Its a calculated move to maximize gains over a short period of time in hopes that it will be larger than the gains made over a longer period of time.
All that said - Fuck him. While I am super appreciative of him and those like him, anyone who talks needs to have a giant dick in their ass full time. Sorry, but there isnt any room for negotiation here. There is no real difference between him and Snowden at this point.
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I agree with ASMO. He didn't complete his TIS so he gets no retirement benefits. Thousands of military folks make that decision every year, he knew what he was getting into. He wasn't forced out. He has access to healthcare via the ACA.
I'd buy him a beer or dinner anytime, but it was his decision to make.
Scanker19
11-05-2014, 19:49
I'm curious as to why he left at 16.
Well if it's true I'd like to shake his hand and have a couple beers with him.
Should we not have known the identity of the Paul Tibbets or Charles Sweeney who dropped the atomic bombs, should be we not have known who flew the Doolittle raid (Jimmy Doolittle). What about Chris Kyle, the most lethal sniper in American military history, or Marcus Luttrell in lone survivor?
what about the first man on the moon, or the first in space, or any other big achievement in history. Why is it, that the guy who was the most hunted individual this planet has seen can not have his killer identified? Are we afraid of repercussions, are we afraid of the truth, should Obama get all the credit, should we let Hollywood fictionalization the story?
I want the real story, the truth, the mans name who should go down in history.
theGinsue
11-05-2014, 20:33
OPSEC (Operational Security / Operation Purple Dragon).
We should never (or a least not for a very long time) have even learned which Team was responsible for the assault either.
If you know who the shooter (or any Team member on a mission) and you do a little research into that person's life you can learn who their friends and family are. Studying the friends can usually reveal the other Team members. This puts the entire Team and their families at risk. It compromises personal and mission (past/present/future) security all of the way around. It creates vulnerabilities - vulnerabilities that you definitely don't want for operators. This is true for active as well as former operators so the fact that he let the cat out of the bag after he got out isn't a good excuse as the risks are still there.
Just my $0.02. I have a background in this side of things.
Well if it's true I'd like to shake his hand and have a couple beers with him.
I would as well.
Should we not have known the identity of the Paul Tibbets or Charles Sweeney who dropped the atomic bombs, should be we not have known who flew the Doolittle raid (Jimmy Doolittle). What about Chris Kyle, the most lethal sniper in American military history, or Marcus Luttrell in lone survivor?
Honestly. IMHO. No.
what about the first man on the moon, or the first in space, or any other big achievement in history.
Those were all major public events designed to be on a national stage - the entire purpose was to be in the public eye. Very big difference than the people cited above - who chose, *asked*, and *begged*, and *promised* to live that part of their life behind the scenes without anyone knowing who they are.
Why is it, that the guy who was the most hunted individual this planet has seen can not have his killer identified? Are we afraid of repercussions, are we afraid of the truth, should Obama get all the credit, should we let Hollywood fictionalization the story?
Because that is kinda the definition of classified information. If the information was divulged and proved accurate, would cause harm to the nation and its activities. Honestly I couldn't care less what Hollywood would do with the story, or who takes credit -- and neither should the people who agreed to keep their god damned mouths shut. That is the entire point - and they know that well in advance, way before they ever get themselves into it.
I want the real story, the truth, the mans name who should go down in history.
The real story is way more complicated and a whole lot more involved than any of us will ever know (at least not for 50 years or so). You don't want the 'truth' - what you want is some romanticized story where a couple of guys get into helicopters, swoop in, and kill the bad guys, with the hero killing the biggest baddie of them all, then they all ride off into the sunset together.
Who the fuck cares who pulled the trigger. It wasn't a one man job in any way shape or form and to believe it was, even for a second of suspended disbelief, is to do a major disservice (OPSEC and otherwise) to all the other people that helped make it happen --- and who kept their god damned mouths shut about it.
I agree with ASMO and cstone...
I would buy him a beer any day! However, the few current and former SEALs I do know, yeah, they'd never say exactly what they did, where, who, and how. They are the quiet professionals. It's a thin line between being a quiet professional and telling your story. There are a lot of things divulged these days that really shouldn't. Some should- I like how Luttrell had people from the Navy and the Navy Special Warfare community assist in editing the book so that it doesn't reveal too much. His was a story that needed to be told. Was this O'Neill's really NEEDED to be told? Sure we got the story, ad nauseum at that, but did we really MUST know who the shooter was? Again, fine line between bragging and sharing your experience. In this case I consider it borderline bragging.
ETA: As Ginsue said... OPSEC.
What a bad ass. I'd love to buy him a few beers.
I don't know... revealing classified or sensitive information is revealing classified or sensitive information... pure black and white. It does not matter if it was "for the right reason" or not. There are procedures and programs in place to reveal grievances or illegal activity within the system THE RIGHT way.
When you sign on the dotted line of your NDA, it says you will NEVER reveal protected information. YOU put yourself SECONDARY to the reason why this information is protected. Not "you will not reveal protected information unless you feel you have been wronged." or "you may reveal classified or sensitive information if you see something illegal".
Just because you disagree with your medical coverage or whatever does not mean that you can reveal this information and potentially put others at risk.
mcantar18c
11-05-2014, 22:32
So much for Quiet Professionals.
Oh wait, he's a SEAL.
Documents are automatically declassified after 25 years (with a few exceptions). There's no reason anybody should know ANYTHING about the op until 2036... what unit was responsible, method of insertion, how many PAX were there, what else was found on site, etc. Nothing. Period.
OPSEC (Operational Security / Operation Purple Dragon).
We should never (or a least not for a very long time) have even learned which Team was responsible for the assault either.
If you know who the shooter (or any Team member on a mission) and you do a little research into that person's life you can learn who their friends and family are. Studying the friends can usually reveal the other Team members. This puts the entire Team and their families at risk. It compromises personal and mission (past/present/future) security all of the way around. It creates vulnerabilities - vulnerabilities that you definitely don't want for operators. This is true for active as well as former operators so the fact that he let the cat out of the bag after he got out isn't a good excuse as the risks are still there.
Just my $0.02. I have a background in this side of things.
So much for Quiet Professionals.
Oh wait, he's a SEAL.
Documents are automatically declassified after 25 years (with a few exceptions). There's no reason anybody should know ANYTHING about the op until 2036... what unit was responsible, method of insertion, how many PAX were there, what else was found on site, etc. Nothing. Period.
Nailed it. There's a lot more at stake here than a handshake and a beer.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2014, 08:29
IMO, he deserves much respect for what he's done in the past while wearing the uniform. What he's doing now? Not so much.
I had 14 years in. I didn't expect retirement or any other benefits beyond what was promised when I decided not to sign on the line again. What makes him so special to expect retirement pay without fulfilling the time requirements?
airborneranger
11-06-2014, 08:41
I currently have an instructor job teaching Field Grade Officers at Ft. Leavenworth. We mainly have Army Majors but we also have sister service and foreign officers as well. One of my Majors is from the Naval Special Warfare Group and he is telling me that this isn't the guy who he thought was the trigger puller (he would know). I am not sure how it would get verified unless others speak-out confirming that it was indeed him. I doubt that will happen.
KestrelBike
11-06-2014, 08:54
IMO, he deserves much respect for what he's done in the past while wearing the uniform. What he's doing now? Not so much.
I had 14 years in. I didn't expect retirement or any other benefits beyond what was promised when I decided not to sign on the line again. What makes him so special to expect retirement pay without fulfilling the time requirements?
Just curious, do you ever regret not doing the last 6 years?
Bailey Guns
11-06-2014, 09:16
Yep. Sometimes. But the path I took was fine, too. I mostly regret it now that I'm older and looking towards retirement. The monthly check would be nice. But I'm also pretty sure I would've missed a lot of opportunities I've had by leaving early.
KestrelBike
11-06-2014, 17:24
Yep. Sometimes. But the path I took was fine, too. I mostly regret it now that I'm older and looking towards retirement. The monthly check would be nice. But I'm also pretty sure I would've missed a lot of opportunities I've had by leaving early.
Interesting, thanks! [Beer]
hollohas
11-06-2014, 19:31
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/06/1415305977625_wps_41_Naval_Special_Warfare_Lea.jpg
sneakerd
11-06-2014, 19:45
No further comment necessary, Imho.
Nailed it. There's a lot more at stake here than a handshake and a beer.
Obama and Biden leaked it immediately, who did it, and which TEAM. Uncle Joe probably thought he could feel a women up while he told her about the mission.
Hmm seems that two SEALS claim to have shot Bin Laden: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822370/Navy-SEAL-killed-bin-Laden-revealed-Rob-O-Neill-named-Seal-Team-Six-hero-shot-terror-chief-three-times-head-inspired-series-Hollywood-roles.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2824548/Who-shot-bin-Laden-Former-U-S-Navy-SEALS-make-rival-claims.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2823026/Navy-SEAL-pay-4-5M-writing-book-Osama-bin-Laden-raid-suing-lawyer-giving-bad-advice.html
Obama and Biden leaked it immediately, who did it, and which TEAM. Uncle Joe probably thought he could feel a women up while he told her about the mission.
Hmm seems that two SEALS claim to have shot Bin Laden: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822370/Navy-SEAL-killed-bin-Laden-revealed-Rob-O-Neill-named-Seal-Team-Six-hero-shot-terror-chief-three-times-head-inspired-series-Hollywood-roles.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2824548/Who-shot-bin-Laden-Former-U-S-Navy-SEALS-make-rival-claims.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2823026/Navy-SEAL-pay-4-5M-writing-book-Osama-bin-Laden-raid-suing-lawyer-giving-bad-advice.html
Bissonette has always said he was the second guy into the room, just to clarify.
Mick-Boy
11-06-2014, 21:46
So... the big takeaway from this is that a ginger stole OBL's soul right?
kidicarus13
11-06-2014, 21:53
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/06/1415305977625_wps_41_Naval_Special_Warfare_Lea.jpg
And this was leaked by what Naval Special Warfare member?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/06/1415305977625_wps_41_Naval_Special_Warfare_Lea.jpg
hollohas
11-06-2014, 22:36
And this was leaked by what Naval Special Warfare member?
Who knows. He obviously didn't read it very well did he...
So... the big takeaway from this is that a ginger stole OBL's soul right?
Pure awesome! [HiFive]
So... the big takeaway from this is that a ginger stole OBL's soul right?
Gingers don't have souls. (Eric Cartman)
Gingers don't have souls. (Eric Cartman)
Which is why they have no problem stealing the souls of others [Coffee]
KestrelBike
11-06-2014, 23:58
And this was leaked by what Naval Special Warfare member?
Who knows. He obviously didn't read it very well did he...
http://sofrep.com/37850/bin-ladens-shooter-identified-rob-oneill/
This is the headline link on Drudge right now, that article contains this link: http://jonathangilliam.tumblr.com/ where the guy says that NSWC distributed that letter publicly as well as to the NSW community individually.
Ironically, in the letter, Admiral Losey preached the ethos of the silent professional, yet at the same time he decided to publish the letter publicly instead of reaching out to the NSW community personally in a silent, professional manner.
He should have kept his mouth shut.
Obama and Biden leaked it immediately, who did it, and which TEAM. Uncle Joe probably thought he could feel a women up while he told her about the mission.
If the President wants to divulge classified information, that's his right and prerogative. He can do that, it's authorized by law. If a SEAL wants to divulge classified information, he is in violation of his NDA and federal classified information laws and subject to punishment. I'm not supporting what the president did, as I feel him letting out what units conducted the operation and allowing the media to get a hold of information regarding classified equipment used puts our troops at risk.
thvigil11
11-07-2014, 09:43
So... the big takeaway from this is that a ginger stole OBL's soul right?
Only if he took a bite out of his heart. Or so I thought.
From what I was hearing yesterday.. he was outed elsewhere... on a blog? Which they managed to contain.. but not before it was out. So he decided to control the information?
Here's a good response to it: http://www.havokjournal.com/culture/theres-team-hole/
If the President wants to divulge classified information, that's his right and prerogative. He can do that, it's authorized by law. If a SEAL wants to divulge classified information, he is in violation of his NDA and federal classified information laws and subject to punishment. I'm not supporting what the president did, as I feel him letting out what units conducted the operation and allowing the media to get a hold of information regarding classified equipment used puts our troops at risk.
Pretty sure it's not his right and prerogative.
Pretty sure it's not his right and prerogative.
Well since the President is the highest authority in the chain of who can classify information, he also is allowed, through his executive power, to overrule a classification on material and information.
http://img.tyt.by/320x0s/n/0a/0/obama-osama.jpg
http://img.tyt.by/320x0s/n/0a/0/obama-osama.jpg
[ROFL1]
They messed up his name when it was announced OBL was killed.... Gotta love it, way to proofread CNN! [facepalm]
That may be true (I don't know) but if the info is officially declassified then he's not giving out classified info. He can't go around revealing classified info whenever he wants to. The way the sentence was worded was what got me thinking.
Well since the President is the highest authority in the chain of who can classify information, he also is allowed, through his executive power, to overrule a classification on material and information.
I'm not sure Obummer could pass a security background check, even though he is POTUS.
Bailey Guns
11-08-2014, 12:00
Most of the people who elected him probably couldn't, either. So it's all good.
I'm not sure Obummer could pass a security background check, even though he is POTUS.
I know for a fact he couldn't. One of the questions is "Do you or have you ever, associate(d) with known or admitted terrorists, criminals or anti-government persons or groups?" Obama can answer yes, because he's friends with folks like Bill Ayers, and that alone would disqualify him for a TS clearance.
airborneranger
11-08-2014, 20:23
Sorry, personally, not a whole lot of respect.
He did what he was ordered to do in the situation. Any other shooter would have done the same thing.
He got out early, and knows the rules and what he agreed to when he entered the service.
Now, (if true) he is potentially risking the security of his friends / classified information / etc. for fame, and has his hand out for a hand out, and wants to be specially excepted.
I have reverence for the WW2 vets that went through hell, risked everything, got wounded multiple times, talk little of it and have humility over it - many get offended or embarrassed if you call them e.g. a hero or if you fawn over it you will greatly annoy them. They are humble people.
Then you have this shit.
Tell me, how many of you, if an op was lined up and you had the orders and the ability, wouldn't shoot OBL. He didn't save anybody. He didn't throw himself on OBL's grenade to save one of his friends. OBL wasn't pointing a gun at one of his comrades. He simply just won the "lottery". Now, he wants to avoid regular practice and reverence and make himself a celebrity and has his handout for free money... shove off, I say. I'm sure he will make bank off of all of this which is his real motivation.
Flame on, and no offense to vets. I do have immense respect for most of them. Just don't walking into bars declaring yourself a hero, or put yourself on a TV camera and declare yourself a hero. That kind of respect is really not something a person can award themselves.
I don't think that you will get flamed. Good points.
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I have no way of verifying the information, however, if it is true, that he has 400 combat missions and 30 confirmed kills, he is a genuine operator and more than worthy of my respect and appreciation. Lots of people do dumb things in their lives. This man deserves more than many citizens and non-citizens are given for just breathing.
Should he have done things differently? Probably. Does it take away my respect and appreciation for his service and dedication? Not a damn bit.
Curious how people would have received someone during World War II if they had been the guy that picked off Hitler in Dec 44?
Am guessing his name would be in every history book printed since then, might have a holiday in his name?
I say good on this guy. As long as he doesn't spill any beans that could get someone killed he should be celebrated. The whole team should be once they are out of that line of work.
Mick-Boy
11-09-2014, 00:29
It makes for an interesting discussion. Should a shooter be held to a different standard than all the retired general officers, SecDefs, etc. that have written books or make thousands giving speeches? Was there outrage when those frogs made Act of Valor and showed all sorts of TTPs? In some circles, yes, but there wasn't the public outcry that we've seen here.
This dude made it to the type of unit that very, very few, even in the SEAL community, get to. He did the work. If he's going to be chastised it can come from his peers.
This dude made it to the type of unit that very, very few, even in the SEAL community, get to. He did the work. If he's going to be chastised it can come from his peers.
I haven't commented on this yet, because it is completely out of my lane. However, the above quoted is where any respect is due in my opinion. Osama Bin Ladan was a prize target, but it really boils down to who shot an old man in the face. That to me is meaningless. It's being great enough to have the opportunity at all, is what is worthy of praise; and that same pride can be equally shared by every member of said unit. I know NOTHING about any of these said units, but I know that every person present, or in any similar unit, would be just as capable of "making the shot" as whoever actually did.
mcantar18c
11-09-2014, 02:25
Curious how people would have received someone during World War II if they had been the guy that picked off Hitler in Dec 44?
That war ended.
RblDiver
11-10-2014, 12:22
I think I feel about this guy kind of how I feel about Snowden. Good person with good intentions (or even if not that, I appreciate all he's done in the past), but done in the wrong manner.
Delfuego
11-10-2014, 12:52
"Tom O'Neill lives in a single story home with a garage full of stuffed animals"This was my favorite part of the whole article...
I am not man enough to be a SEAL, but it seems that the allure of fame is too strong; even for people who have sworn an oath to seek the opposite.
Chad4000
11-11-2014, 13:42
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bahaha yes....
BushMasterBoy
11-11-2014, 15:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FbL8WDtrYI
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