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INSANE: Ferguson “Activists” Deliver Pre-Riot Demands To Police (http://bearingarms.com/insane-ferguson-activists-deliver-pre-riot-demands-police/) Posted by Bob Owens (http://bearingarms.com/author/bobowens-bearingarms/) on November 7, 2014 at 10:26 am
Our friend Andrew Branca of The Law Of Self Defense (http://lawofselfdefense.com/) has a new post up at law blog Legal Insurrection which notes a list of demands that Ferguson activists have delivered to police (http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/11/ferguson-protestors-deliver-rules-of-engagement-to-police/) in advance of the grand jury’s expected decision in the Michael Brown affair.
For those of you who have been pulling a Rip Van Winkle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Van_Winkle#Summary), Michael Brown was an 18-year-old the size of an NFL offensive lineman (6’4″, 292 lbs) who lived in Ferguson, Missouri (a St. Louis suburb). In August, a Ferguson, MO police officer named Darren Wilson attempted to stop Brown for matching the description of a strong-arm robbery suspect. Brown allegedly attacked Wilson through window of his police SUV and attempted to take the officer’s gun. According to accounts, two shots were fired in the vehicle in the struggle over the gun. Brown then attempted to flee. Wilson exited his vehicle and told Brown to freeze.
Eyewitnesses offer radically different accounts of what happened next.
Some claim that Officer Wilson then shot Brown in the back as he was fleeing, that Brown turned around and put his hands up, and that Wilson then essentially executed Brown as he stood there trying to surrender.
Other witnesses said that Brown never put his hands up, but instead had them out, and that he was advancing on Officer Wilson when he was shot, despite Wilson’s commands to “freeze.”
Leaks within the U.S. Department of Justice suggest that there isn’t evidence to warrant a civil rights case against Wilson, and there are leaks—seemingly calculated to deflate the tension—that suggests that Wilson did indeed act properly in shooting a felony robbery and battery suspect who was refusing command to stop and was advancing upon the officer to perhaps attack him again after attempting to take the officer’s weapon just seconds before.
Unfortunately, the latter, more probable reality flies in the face of a carefully crafted Michael Brown “hands up, don’t shoot” mythology that has made Brown an unlikely martyr and catalyst for a coalition of race hustlers, Marxists, anarchists, cop-haters, and opportunistic thugs, who seek to capitalize on a smoldering mass hysteria.
The document the arrogant activists provided under the title “Proposed Rules Of Engagement” may as well be titled “Get Out Of Our Way And Let Us Riot And Loot With Impunity (http://www.scribd.com/doc/245767261/Ferguson-Protestors-Rules-of-Engagement-11-6-14).”
http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/11/ferguson-riot-rules.jpg (http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/11/ferguson-riot-rules.jpg)
The 19-item list is—to put it bluntly—a bat guano crazy statement of intent to riot.
They want a 48-hour notice in advance of the grand jury decision for riot prep (presumably to stockpile rocks, bricks, bottles, etc).
They want to be able to use social media and cell phones to shift and focus riots (a lesson they learned from the “Arab Spring”) with impunity and without communications interference.
They want to be able to assemble mobs as large as they want, wherever they want, for as long as they want.
They want police officers to allow rioters extensive latitude in their actions, while heavily restricting police response.
Perhaps most disturbing, they want to police to have minimal defensive protection against rioters, and assurances that the police won’t use the tools that may be needed to break-up riots once they turn violent.
And of course, they want virtual “get out of jail free cards” for both the leaders of their movement and the rioters themselves.
If I were a citizen in the St. Louis area—or any other area in the nation where there is history of significant and potentially violent racial tension where a Ferguson-triggered riot might break out—I’d be investing in practical long guns for home defense, putting aside shelf-stable foods and water, quality flashlights, and perhaps be considering an extra garden hose and a fire extinguisher.
One thing that we learned from the 1992 Los Angeles riots is that there simply aren’t enough police officer to handle a widespread riot with hundreds or thousands of rioters spread out across a large geographic area, and individual blocks of businesses and residential neighborhoods may be cut off and left to defend themselves as best as they can.
It may very well devolve into a complete failure of civility in some areas, where only the credible threat (or use) of force may be able to defend lives.
Some astute observers have noted that cold weather can be used to blunt rioters, and that a polar vortex is set to strike much of the nation next week (http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/polar-vortex-to-vist-central-u/36890008). If authorities are smart, they’ll use the colder weather in from the middle of next week through next weekend (http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USMO0981) strategically, providing that the grand jury has completed their investigation and has come to a decision.
Sadly, it seems that Michael Brown’s exploiters seem intent on using the mythology crafted around his death as an excuse to rage against the society at large.
Be prepared.
http://bearingarms.com/insane-ferguson-activists-deliver-pre-riot-demands-police/
Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 15:21
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eneranch
11-07-2014, 15:25
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Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 15:28
51929
How about.. FREELOADERS, MEET RELOADERS
How about.. FREELOADERS, MEET RELOADERS
[ROFL1] You win the internet for today!
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Yaayyyyyy, let the fun begin. Fuck them!
Zundfolge
11-07-2014, 15:55
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/breaking-four-national-guard-helicopters-just-flew-over-kirkwood-heading-to-ferguson/
I don't care if this is not with the crowd here. Those ROE are not out of line with any normal expectation. It is a way to not have a riot and specifically go after those that do. If you want to protect the 2nd so much, you have to be willing to protect the 1st. Freedom of speech is not limited to nice tea parties with pink cups. Sometimes they come when people are pissed. If the police feel they can escalate......... So can the people.... To everyones demise. Sometimes you have to let the pressure vent or risk causing the very thing you are trying to avoid.
RblDiver
11-07-2014, 16:03
Sure are a lot of demands of the police, and nothing like "In exchange, we'll be peaceful" etc. Typical lib mindset, where "compromise" = "you give us everything we want and we give nothing."
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1433/947/original.jpg?w=600&h
Bailey Guns
11-07-2014, 17:32
No. Thugs and rioters DO NOT get to dictate police protocol, response, equipment used, bond amounts, etc... Police officers DO NOT need to be "tolerant" of "minor" things like throwing bottles...that could potentially present a lethal risk to officers and others. You are out of your freakin' mind if you think those demands are reasonable.
Anyone who thinks that is reasonable should probably be demonstrating with the thugs on the street. FFS.
kidicarus13
11-07-2014, 18:11
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1433/947/original.jpg?w=600&h
Great toon.
Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 18:15
I don't care if this is not with the crowd here. Those ROE are not out of line with any normal expectation. It is a way to not have a riot and specifically go after those that do. If you want to protect the 2nd so much, you have to be willing to protect the 1st. Freedom of speech is not limited to nice tea parties with pink cups. Sometimes they come when people are pissed. If the police feel they can escalate......... So can the people.... To everyones demise. Sometimes you have to let the pressure vent or risk causing the very thing you are trying to avoid.
These demands are not from the local senior center. This SHIT is from a bunch of FSA wanna be thugs who prefer to loot and burn their own neighborhood, in the name of JUSTICE. The parents of Saint Swisher demanded the officer who shot their young adult be sent to prison. Never mind a trial first. PRISON if their demand was not met, They would or could not be responsible for any violence that occurred So please do not say their ROE are not out of line with any normal expectation..
Had the parents and other not Threatened VIOLENCE / RIOTS then maybe review the demands and get back to them.
While i am a staunch supporter of the 1st amendment , threatening violence is not nor does not give them 1st amendment protection.
You feel that way go walk lock step with the folks of Ferguson.
HoneyBadger
11-07-2014, 18:23
No. Thugs and rioters DO NOT get to dictate police protocol, response, equipment used, bond amounts, etc... Police officers DO NOT need to be "tolerant" of "minor" things like throwing bottles...that could potentially present a lethal risk to officers and others. You are out of your freakin' mind if you think those demands are reasonable.
Anyone who thinks that is reasonable should probably be demonstrating with the thugs on the street. FFS.
I think some of them were pretty reasonable.... Like #1, #10, and #17. The rest of it is kind of funny. I'm glad we're almost a thousand miles away.
Ya... Throwing a bottle justifies MRAPS, pointing guns at people and possibly shooting people. You would think cops were made of glass themselves, so weak and fragile. You would think that they don't expect to lay down their lives for the communites they protect. No they expect to be in 'CHARGE!!' Respect my ATHORITAAAA. When everybody is 'they' and 'them' the community is the enemy. As long as you comply, law and order are maintained. The British thought this at one time. If you are not willing to be part of the community and in fact be at risk; you should get another job.
A lot of my family are cops (real cops), many of them are even in Missouri (where I grew up) dealing with this. This is personal for me. I worry about them but have also seen how over reaction from those with a badge has caused the problem instead of de-escalting as it should be. Cops need to be Cops again and not think of this as a war zone.... Unless they make it one. Somebody breaks a window, arrest them. Don't beat the hell out of'em and wonder why the rest of the people fight back.
We will see who acts like a thug when the announcement comes out. I hope both sides keep their cool.
No. Thugs and rioters DO NOT get to dictate police protocol, response, equipment used, bond amounts, etc... Police officers DO NOT need to be "tolerant" of "minor" things like throwing bottles...that could potentially present a lethal risk to officers and others. You are out of your freakin' mind if you think those demands are reasonable.
Anyone who thinks that is reasonable should probably be demonstrating with the thugs on the street. FFS.
Big John
11-07-2014, 18:32
I don't care if this is not with the crowd here. Those ROE are not out of line with any normal expectation. It is a way to not have a riot and specifically go after those that do. If you want to protect the 2nd so much, you have to be willing to protect the 1st. Freedom of speech is not limited to nice tea parties with pink cups. Sometimes they come when people are pissed. If the police feel they can escalate......... So can the people.... To everyones demise. Sometimes you have to let the pressure vent or risk causing the very thing you are trying to avoid.I think the people of Ferguson who are not of the thug nature will agree with me in that the protesters have "vented" enough.
This will be more of a lynch mob, hell bent on destruction, than a "protest". They do have every right to protest. They do not have the right to hurt others nor destroy property. I personally do not advocate tying LE's hands with any kind of ROE's.
Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 18:33
Ya... Throwing a bottle justifies MRAPS, pointing guns at people and possibly shooting people. You would think cops were made of glass themselves, so weak and fragile. You would think that they don't expect to lay down their lives for the communites they protect. No they expect to be in 'CHARGE!!' Respect my ATHORITAAAA. When everybody is 'they' and 'them' the community is the enemy. As long as you comply, law and order are maintained. The British thought this at one time. If you are not willing to be part of the community and in fact be at risk; you should get another job.
A lot of my family are cops (real cops), many of them are even in Missouri (where I grew up) dealing with this. This is personal for me. I worry about them but have also seen how over reaction from those with a badge has caused the problem instead of de-escalting as it should be. Cops need to be Cops again and not think of this as a war zone.... Unless they make it one. Somebody breaks a window, arrest them. Don't beat the hell out of'em and wonder why the rest of the people fight back.
We will see who acts like a thug when the announcement comes out. I hope both sides keep their cool.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608004066216578505&pid=15.1&P=0
Bailey Guns
11-07-2014, 18:34
How about you let me bust you in the melon with a Coke bottle? Let's see how weak and fragile you are. Better yet, pick up a bottle and threaten your local cop with it. See if that gets a gun pointed in your general direction. Course, you having all sorts of family members in law enforcement makes you an expert and all.
When was the last time one of your real cop relatives said they "expect" to lay down their lives for the community? My guess is never. That's one of the most asinine things you've ever said.
So what's next? The guys that plan the next bank robbery get to dictate their terms to the police? Does the next guy who gets drunk and beats his wife into a coma get to dictate how the cops handle the call? Surely the next child molester can make demands of the cops?
The police are only obligated to act within the law. Period. They are not obligated to concede to these demands nor should they. Their response should be, as long as everyone behaves themselves and assembles peaceably, you won't have anything to worry about from the PD. Break the law and we'll do what it takes to arrest your dumbass.
kidicarus13
11-07-2014, 18:46
This will be more of a lynch mob, hell bent on destruction, than a "protest". They do have every right to protest. They do not have the right to hurt others nor destroy property. I personally do not advocate tying LE's hands with any kind of ROE's.
You're only 20 posts new but obviously understand what's going on in Ferguson already.
The police are under obligation to preserve the peace of the community as a whole, not pander to the demands of those anticipating the commission of crimes in the name of protest. Anyone who has ever been HIT with a thrown bottle (11 stitches, thank you very much) would not call that a "minor issue", they would call it "assault with a deadly weapon". I support the right of the people of Ferguson to assemble and protest, but issuing a list of demands that amount to telling the police to sit on their hands while they burn the fucking city to the ground is ridiculous. If they want to riot, burn and loot, they should expect to be treated as rioters, arsonists, and looters. Arson, BTW, is one of only a few crimes that justify the use of deadly force in Colorado in defense of another(dunno about MO).
Bailey Guns
11-07-2014, 19:17
Anyone who has ever been HIT with a thrown bottle (11 stitches, thank you very much) would not call that a "minor issue", they would call it "assault with a deadly weapon".
Exactly. Happened to me in 95(?) during a Phish concert riot in Morrison. I was wearing a helmet and it still rung my bell but good. If you've never experienced it, trust me...you don't want to. Of course, pissing and moaning about how much the police suck from the safety of your keyboard is pretty harrowing, too.
Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 19:19
I think the people of Ferguson who are not of the thug nature will agree with me in that the protesters have "vented" enough.
This will be more of a lynch mob, hell bent on destruction, than a "protest". They do have every right to protest. They do not have the right to hurt others nor destroy property. I personally do not advocate tying LE's hands with any kind of ROE's.
You're only 20 posts new but obviously understand what's going on in Ferguson already.
The police are under obligation to preserve the peace of the community as a whole, not pander to the demands of those anticipating the commission of crimes in the name of protest. Anyone who has ever been HIT with a thrown bottle (11 stitches, thank you very much) would not call that a "minor issue", they would call it "assault with a deadly weapon". I support the right of the people of Ferguson to assemble and protest, but issuing a list of demands that amount to telling the police to sit on their hands while they burn the fucking city to the ground is ridiculous. If they want to riot, burn and loot, they should expect to be treated as rioters, arsonists, and looters. Arson, BTW, is one of only a few crimes that justify the use of deadly force in Colorado in defense of another(dunno about MO).
I believe or (IMO) the fine people of ferguson had already demonstrated their willingness to assemble and act in a peaceful manner. [ROFL1]
Their list of demands show how much they are Once Again willing to Obey the law. On their terms and their version of peace. FUCK THEM. Strong letter to follow
Bring out the scoops!
Do you know the secret about Soylent Green?
Seriously, they already have ground rules. We call them laws and ordinances. Most jurisdictions require permits before any road closures or large gatherings to ensure proper public safety like porta-johns and clean up is taken care of afterwards. If people in Ferguson would like to demonstrate, they can do so within the law or practice civil disobedience. If they go the civil disobedience route, they can have attorneys standing by and they can make bail like anyone else if the court sets bail. If people become violent, they can expect the response to be force up to the level necessary to keep the peace and end the violence.
Is this new to anyone?
hurley842002
11-07-2014, 19:22
The police are under obligation to preserve the peace of the community as a whole, not pander to the demands of those anticipating the commission of crimes in the name of protest. Anyone who has ever been HIT with a thrown bottle (11 stitches, thank you very much) would not call that a "minor issue", they would call it "assault with a deadly weapon". I support the right of the people of Ferguson to assemble and protest, but issuing a list of demands that amount to telling the police to sit on their hands while they burn the fucking city to the ground is ridiculous. If they want to riot, burn and loot, they should expect to be treated as rioters, arsonists, and looters. Arson, BTW, is one of only a few crimes that justify the use of deadly force in Colorado in defense of another(dunno about MO).
Exactly. Happened to me in 95(?) during a Phish concert riot in Morrison. I was wearing a helmet and it still rung my bell but good. If you've never experienced it, trust me...you don't want to. Of course, pissing and moaning about how much the police suck from the safety of your keyboard is pretty harrowing, too.
Win! Most folks would be surprised how much you are still able to feel underneath a riot helmet...
Bailey Guns
11-07-2014, 19:22
Is this new to anyone?
Apparently...to some people.
Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 19:29
Bring out the scoops!
Do you know the secret about Soylent Green?
Some do
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Civil society on one side and anarchy on the other.
So you say you want a Revolution, weellll - Lennon and McCartney
How about you let me bust you in the melon with a Coke bottle?
^^There it is. A glass bottle is no joke. Some of the larger ones may as well be aluminum bats or large rocks when thrown and the smaller ones will still put your lights out or worse. They don't break like they do in the movies.
Great-Kazoo
11-07-2014, 22:18
^^There it is. A glass bottle is no joke. Some of the larger ones may as well be aluminum bats or large rocks when thrown and the smaller ones will still put your lights out or worse. They don't break like they do in the movies.
They also take rubber / tennis balls and push nails through them. But hey what's a harmless bottle thrown at the Thin Blue Line.
hurley842002
11-07-2014, 22:33
They also take rubber / tennis balls and push nails through them. But hey what's a harmless bottle thrown at the Thin Blue Line.
Yup, unfortunately some know nothing about the "thin blue line", except for what their family members share with them.
buffalobo
11-07-2014, 22:36
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17kh5y2nvdtsijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
Bring out the scoops!
Do you know the secret about Soylent Green?
Seriously, they already have ground rules. We call them laws and ordinances. Most jurisdictions require permits before any road closures or large gatherings to ensure proper public safety like porta-johns and clean up is taken care of afterwards. If people in Ferguson would like to demonstrate, they can do so within the law or practice civil disobedience. If they go the civil disobedience route, they can have attorneys standing by and they can make bail like anyone else if the court sets bail. If people become violent, they can expect the response to be force up to the level necessary to keep the peace and end the violence.
Is this new to anyone?
"Ittt'ssss people"
Love the movie, application in this thread; off the mark.
Protest all you want, just follow the rules or face the consequences.
Kinda hard for me to sympathize with a looter getting a beating or those committing violence on others getting shot. Pretty much what I would do.
They also take rubber / tennis balls and push nails through them. But hey what's a harmless bottle thrown at the Thin Blue Line.
Yep. It makes no sense.
I'm no part of the blue line but from first hand experience with a beer bottle and a pool cue to the head. I'll take the pool cue next time. At least it broke.
I really hope they Ferg PD doesn't even acknowledge that stupid proposed ROE.
OtterbatHellcat
11-07-2014, 22:46
Kinda hard for me to sympathize with a looter getting a beating or those committing violence on others getting shot.
Amen.
I've broken a beer bottle over my own head once. It didn't hurt at all, but that's because it broke perfectly and I was expecting it and was drunk enough to be breaking a beer bottle over my own head. That doesn't mean I didn't bleed all over the place though.
The document does specify "thrown WATER bottles" though. I'm sure there are glass water bottles, but not that anyone rioting in Ferguson can afford. I still wouldn't want to take a full water bottle to the head either.
I'd tell em to eat a bag of phalluses, but then again I probably wouldn't make a great police chief.
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 00:35
Looks like they're doing live practice runs.
It's ok to require Cops be 24/7 video. BUT NO ONE CAN RECORD THIS.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-beaten-at-ferguson-protest-strategy-meeting/article_ba9ebc92-cb6f-57d9-bc00-1c99edc3c99c.html
“He had been live streaming for just the last couple of weeks,” said the protester, who asked not to be named. “Honestly, he struck me as kind of a naive college kid who is out of his element.”
Translates to, Liberal or not white boy has no business here.
THE IRONY is the POlice hater runs to the police for help. Hound, you taking notes?
Police, Clean up in Aisle 3
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 00:48
I've broken a beer bottle over my own head once. It didn't hurt at all, but that's because it broke perfectly and I was expecting it and was drunk enough to be breaking a beer bottle over my own head. That doesn't mean I didn't bleed all over the place though.
The document does specify "thrown WATER bottles" though. I'm sure there are glass water bottles, but not that anyone rioting in Ferguson can afford. I still wouldn't want to take a full water bottle to the head either.
You have time to analyze it's actually water and not battery acid? I doubt the cops do. FULL GEAR
Looks like they're doing live practice runs.
It's ok to require Cops be 24/7 video. BUT NO ONE CAN RECORD THIS.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-beaten-at-ferguson-protest-strategy-meeting/article_ba9ebc92-cb6f-57d9-bc00-1c99edc3c99c.html
“He had been live streaming for just the last couple of weeks,” said the protester, who asked not to be named. “Honestly, he struck me as kind of a naive college kid who is out of his element.”
Translates to, Liberal or not white boy has no business here.
THE IRONY is the POlice hater runs to the police for help. Hound, you taking notes?
Police, Clean up in Aisle 3
Hope he learned a lesson and i sure hope the people that did that learn about the hand that feeds you.
If Zundfolge's link holds any truth (i am pretty sure it does) the national guard is already there and that is the last step, any shenanigans will be dealt with by them.
You have time to analyze it's actually water and not battery acid? I doubt the cops do. FULL GEAR
Don't take that as me being okay with this dumb list. My favorite is the safe house being off limits like this is a game of tag.
Big John
11-08-2014, 05:54
You're only 20 posts new but obviously understand what's going on in Ferguson already.I have a pretty strong opinion of what's going on there.
Also, while I'm not really happy about the militarization of LE, I certainly don't expect any of them to go home with any injuries due to dealing with this nonsense.
Darren Wilson lost his life that day as well. He will never know the normalcy that he had with his friends and family that he did when he suited up for duty that morning. The MAN that he shot, very well may be better off than officer Wilson as Wilson will have to live in hiding for probably the rest of his life. Same for his family and friends. Plus, his career is over unless his balls are way bigger than mine. So he's financially screwed as well.
The subject of Ferguson brings heated debates on many issues this country is dealing with. I'm almost certain that this is the way the Dicktator likes it.
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 08:32
Don't take that as me being okay with this dumb list. My favorite is the safe house being off limits like this is a game of tag.
I didn't. Used the reply as ageneralization. Not meant as an attack on you, sweetheart ;)
ZERO THEORY
11-08-2014, 08:41
These demands are not from the local senior center. This SHIT is from a bunch of FSA wanna be thugs who prefer to loot and burn their own neighborhood, in the name of JUSTICE. The parents of Saint Swisher demanded the officer who shot their young adult be sent to prison. Never mind a trial first. PRISON if their demand was not met, They would or could not be responsible for any violence that occurred So please do not say their ROE are not out of line with any normal expectation..
Had the parents and other not Threatened VIOLENCE / RIOTS then maybe review the demands and get back to them.
While i am a staunch supporter of the 1st amendment , threatening violence is not nor does not give them 1st amendment protection.
You feel that way go walk lock step with the folks of Ferguson.
Ya... Throwing a bottle justifies MRAPS, pointing guns at people and possibly shooting people. You would think cops were made of glass themselves, so weak and fragile. You would think that they don't expect to lay down their lives for the communites they protect. No they expect to be in 'CHARGE!!' Respect my ATHORITAAAA. When everybody is 'they' and 'them' the community is the enemy. As long as you comply, law and order are maintained. The British thought this at one time. If you are not willing to be part of the community and in fact be at risk; you should get another job.
A lot of my family are cops (real cops), many of them are even in Missouri (where I grew up) dealing with this. This is personal for me. I worry about them but have also seen how over reaction from those with a badge has caused the problem instead of de-escalting as it should be. Cops need to be Cops again and not think of this as a war zone.... Unless they make it one. Somebody breaks a window, arrest them. Don't beat the hell out of'em and wonder why the rest of the people fight back.
We will see who acts like a thug when the announcement comes out. I hope both sides keep their cool.
How about you let me bust you in the melon with a Coke bottle? Let's see how weak and fragile you are. Better yet, pick up a bottle and threaten your local cop with it. See if that gets a gun pointed in your general direction. Course, you having all sorts of family members in law enforcement makes you an expert and all.
When was the last time one of your real cop relatives said they "expect" to lay down their lives for the community? My guess is never. That's one of the most asinine things you've ever said.
So what's next? The guys that plan the next bank robbery get to dictate their terms to the police? Does the next guy who gets drunk and beats his wife into a coma get to dictate how the cops handle the call? Surely the next child molester can make demands of the cops?
The police are only obligated to act within the law. Period. They are not obligated to concede to these demands nor should they. Their response should be, as long as everyone behaves themselves and assembles peaceably, you won't have anything to worry about from the PD. Break the law and we'll do what it takes to arrest your dumbass.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jfep.gif
Looks like they're doing live practice runs.
It's ok to require Cops be 24/7 video. BUT NO ONE CAN RECORD THIS.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-beaten-at-ferguson-protest-strategy-meeting/article_ba9ebc92-cb6f-57d9-bc00-1c99edc3c99c.html
“He had been live streaming for just the last couple of weeks,” said the protester, who asked not to be named. “Honestly, he struck me as kind of a naive college kid who is out of his element.”
Translates to, Liberal or not white boy has no business here.
THE IRONY is the POlice hater runs to the police for help. Hound, you taking notes?
Police, Clean up in Aisle 3
Hiding in a church to plan this stuff just seems wrong to me....
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 08:53
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jfep.gif
Figure you'd be honest enough to include the link i posted. You want to eat popcorn and watch, be honest about it. Not pick and choose your quotes.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-beaten-at-ferguson-protest-strategy-meeting/article_ba9ebc92-cb6f-57d9-bc00-1c99edc3c99c.html
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 09:02
Hiding in a church to plan this stuff just seems wrong to me....
Hiding in the church, denying anyone witnessed anything. Read the comments (if you have time) there's a link in one of them to a FB post (now deleted) that showed these INNOCENT, UPSTANDING PEOPLE OF FERGUSON were planning to give the white guy a beating. Supposedly the kid was warned by some to stay away. HOWEVER him being a liberal, all inclusive person of diversity, ignored them. believing his help was truly wanted and no one would stoop that low, based on his skin color.
They also talk about POOR Micheal's mother who it seems took a pipe or bat to Micheal's grandmother. Once she found out she was cutting herself in on the Send Saint Swisher to heaven (or what ever fund raising scam they are running) proceeds.
I like the fathers? shirt. STOP THE KILLING, absolutely, now a swift beating's justified. Especially if it cuts mom and distant dad out.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/michael-brown-mom-face-felony-armed-robbery-charges-article-1.2001373
http://dcgazette.com/michael-browns-mother-grandmother-and-relatives-melee-in-street-over-t-shirt-sales/
http://www.amren.com/news/2014/11/police-investigating-assault-felony-robbery-following-fight-among-michael-browns-family/
As MOST of us know this protest (with ground rules) isn't about Justice for the deceased, but a well planned call to violence.
As MOST of us know this protest (with ground rules) isn't about Justice for the deceased, but a well planned call to violence.
With the White House offering to help.
ZERO THEORY
11-08-2014, 09:14
Figure you'd be honest enough to include the link i posted. You want to eat popcorn and watch, be honest about it. Not pick and choose your quotes.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-beaten-at-ferguson-protest-strategy-meeting/article_ba9ebc92-cb6f-57d9-bc00-1c99edc3c99c.html
I'm just laughing at the oncoming shitstorm. I'm not picking or choosing anything, guy.
Hiding in a church to plan this stuff just seems wrong to me....
The rioters are no different than jihadis. I'm just waiting for the moment when the rioters cross the line and a couple of them get shot dead just like they all deserve.
I've broken a beer bottle over my own head once. It didn't hurt at all, but that's because it broke perfectly and I was expecting it and was drunk enough to be breaking a beer bottle over my own head. That doesn't mean I didn't bleed all over the place though.
^^^Was this the same night you almost shared your cigar w/that poor broke stranger? lol
The document does specify "thrown WATER bottles" though. I'm sure there are glass water bottles, but not that anyone rioting in Ferguson can afford. I still wouldn't want to take a full water bottle to the head either.
But FROZEN water bottles make for serious projectiles.
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As MOST of us know this protest (with ground rules) isn't about Justice for the deceased, but a well planned call to violence.
Don't leave out the opportunity for an alternative shopping spree.
HoneyBadger
11-08-2014, 09:57
Don't leave out the opportunity for an alternative shopping spree.
Is that what they call it these days? I guess I'm out of touch with the kids' lingo. [facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 10:26
Don't leave out the opportunity for an alternative shopping spree.
Is that what they call it these days? I guess I'm out of touch with the kids' lingo. [facepalm]
Instead of hipsters, they prefer to be called Ripsters
Don't leave out the opportunity for an alternative shopping spree.
Featuring the 5 fingered discount and two for the price of none specials. Is it racist to call it "Black Friday"?
^^^Was this the same night you almost shared your cigar w/that poor broke stranger? lol
Oh no, way way before the cigar thing.
wctriumph
11-08-2014, 12:31
If they time the announcement so it coincides with the arrival of welfare checks, there will not be a riot. It happened in LA, why not in Ferguson?
KestrelBike
11-08-2014, 13:39
RELOAD !
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607995940135108729&pid=15.1&P=0
hahaha Zulu???
If they time the announcement so it coincides with the arrival of welfare checks, there will not be a riot. It happened in LA, why not in Ferguson?
Not as many checks mailed out now. They just get it loaded on their EBT cards instead.
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2014, 14:23
hahaha Zulu???
Correct.
The Governor has officially renamed Ferguson to FERGADISHU .
Best way to avoid your business looted or burned in the ferguson area. Put work boots, gloves and clothing in the windows and on shelves. Those fukers will run right by it.
[MOD EDIT]
Zundfolge
11-08-2014, 14:26
Well according to another Gateway Pundit article, the time and date for the release of the Grand Jury ruling will be sometime after 2PM on Monday.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/breaking-hackers-leak-secret-security-report-exact-datetime-of-ferguson-gj-decision/
Honestly I'm not all familiar with Gateway Pundit so I don't know if they're reliable or not (but I haven't seen anything obviously wrong on their site).
ZERO THEORY
11-08-2014, 16:35
^^There it is. A glass bottle is no joke. Some of the larger ones may as well be aluminum bats or large rocks when thrown and the smaller ones will still put your lights out or worse. They don't break like they do in the movies.
Knew a guy who got into a scuffle at a house party in college. Someone threw a bottle, it broke against his jaw, and fragments sliced open his throat. Another fraction of an inch and he'd have bled out right there. He's still got a gruesome scar to show for it.
hurley842002
11-08-2014, 16:45
Knew a guy who got into a scuffle at a house party in college. Someone threw a bottle, it broke against his jaw, and fragments sliced open his throat. Another fraction of an inch and he'd have bled out right there. He's still got a gruesome scar to show for it.
Yeah anyone that thinks a glass bottle can't be lethal is a maroon...
Big John
11-08-2014, 17:33
Well according to another Gateway Pundit article, the time and date for the release of the Grand Jury ruling will be sometime after 2PM on Monday.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/breaking-hackers-leak-secret-security-report-exact-datetime-of-ferguson-gj-decision/
Honestly I'm not all familiar with Gateway Pundit so I don't know if they're reliable or not (but I haven't seen anything obviously wrong on their site).Per the pundit article- National guard deployed... People being told stay home from work... Keep your kids home from school... Fears of cops being lured into ambush so don't bother calling them...
I wonder if they're gonna indict Darren Wilson...[ROFL1]
theGinsue
11-08-2014, 18:36
Before this thread goes any further, the Staff wants to remind everyone to avoid racial comments & stereotypes in this thread. This site does not tolerate such behavior nor the members who participate in it.
[polishing the ban hammer]
clublights
11-08-2014, 19:30
I'm not going to quote any one directly but if anyone claims to have been hit with a bottle and it's " no big del" is one of three things. A damned liar, Fucking stupid or incredibly lucky ( no really you should have bought a lotto tix that night)
I've bounced on and off since I was 17 years old( easy job for extra cash when money is/was tight) I'm now damn near 40.
I've been hit by many a bottle I've got the scars to prove it... back of my head, nose, chin, forearms, elbows.
None of them tickled, most of them bled, many required stitches. I've been SUPER lucky and never really opened up badly not more then 5 -6 stitches on any one cut... I've seen guys opened the fuck up by a flying bottle . Had a friend that got 14 staples to hold his scalp on after one. Seen a guy end up with 38 stitches from forehead to chest from a bottle
So tell ME how they are not a big deal....
I don't think anyone had argued that bottles are no big deal.
hurley842002
11-08-2014, 19:45
I don't think anyone had argued that bottles are no big deal.
Reread post #16, it was definitely insinuated.
Let me clarify. I haven't argued that bottles are no big deal.
Big John
11-08-2014, 19:55
ROE #15 says throwing water bottles is "minor".
It will be interesting (more likely disgusting) to see how the press handles this mess on Monday.[shithitsfan]
hurley842002
11-08-2014, 20:02
Let me clarify. I haven't argued that bottles are no big deal.
I didn't take your post that way, but Hound doesn't seem to think having bottles thrown at you is any big deal. If anyone, especially a large mob of folks, begins throwing bottles at me or my family, I'm using whatever level of force is necessary to stop the threat...
KestrelBike
11-08-2014, 20:39
Knew a guy who got into a scuffle at a house party in college. Someone threw a bottle, it broke against his jaw, and fragments sliced open his throat. Another fraction of an inch and he'd have bled out right there. He's still got a gruesome scar to show for it.
I knew a runner who was jogging down a country road, and some a-holes drove by and chucked an unopened [glass] snapple bottle at his back. It cracked a vertebrae or two.
ZERO THEORY
11-08-2014, 20:50
I knew a runner who was jogging down a country road, and some a-holes drove by and chucked an unopened [glass] snapple bottle at his back. It cracked a vertebrae or two.
How long did it take him to recover?
Dlesh123
11-08-2014, 22:45
How long did it take him to recover?Having cracked a vertebrae at 18, now at retirement age, he will be lucky if it only bothers him part of the time for the rest of his life.
hurley842002
11-08-2014, 22:57
Having cracked a vertebrae at 18, now at retirement age, he will be lucky if it only bothers him part of the time for the rest of his life.
Sounds like serious bodily injury to me.
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 09:07
Sounds like serious bodily injury to me.
But he's not in LE, so who cares [Sarcasm2]
ZERO THEORY
11-09-2014, 11:13
Having cracked a vertebrae at 18, now at retirement age, he will be lucky if it only bothers him part of the time for the rest of his life.
My regards to your friend. That kind of shit really bums me out.
ROE #15 says throwing water bottles is "minor".
I like that one also. Force a cop to try to identify what an object is flying towards his head so he can know how to respond. They're probably mostly talking about after the fact but even then, that's ridiculous.
I imagine a roll or toilet paper and a chunk of cement look a lot alike in the dark and in the smoke.
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Folks... I am assuming that you guys can read, it is not apparent from many of the responses. Everybody has been going to a glass bottle and yet the (as has been pointed out by a mod) requests stated a plastic bottle. I never mentioned glass in any statement, did not think I needed to. It is apparent that this is a sounding room of Barney Fifes with a "Whaooo is me", 'they' are all bad people, "Ya gotta nip it in the bud"...Thin blue line of solidarity. Many of your statements on here show why people should be afraid of the cops instead supporting them. It makes it harder for the good cops out there that deserve the communities support. This 'Brown' incident is not an isolated occurrence, it is just the one with the spot light for now. The fear you show of a job you obviously picked shows you picked poorly. I hope you find something you are better suited for. Protecting the community does not seem a natural fit. Instead of trying to understand the reasons people are upset, you want to meet one expected wrong with a worse "shock and awe" wrong. For the record... a glass bottle is not equivalent to a gun even if both can do harm. By that reasoning ANYTHING in the hands of a non-cop gives a cop the right to beat up or even shoot somebody and that is not 'OK'. I don't agree with this idea "If your not Cop you'er little people". As previously stated, if somebody is actually doing something wrong..... arrest them. Don't beat them up and think you are any better than those you expect to be "thugs" or wonder why the rest of the already agitated crowd retaliates. Nowhere does it state in their request that they condone a 'riot' or 'looting'. It is a tense environment and they don't want a minor infraction to turn into the original police response. They arrested a woman for simply falling down for Christ's sake!!! Cops should be safe but instead of the Barney approach (that failed horribly the first time) this is trying to have the Andy Griffith approach of de-escalation. That is not a bad thing.
Now....Let the Barney's come out with their BS.........
Saw this posted today:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/09/008511206efd0dff6d6370733a998f52.jpg
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 15:52
Folks... I am assuming that you guys can read, it is not apparent from many of the responses. Everybody has been going to a glass bottle and yet the (as has been pointed out by a mod) requests stated a plastic bottle. I never mentioned glass in any statement, did not think I needed to.
You're BS just gets better and better. The best way to make yourself look like a condescending ass, which you have a real talent for doing, is to attempt to correct someone with incorrect information.
In the first place, these were not "requests". On the document in the OP it clearly states they are "Proposed Rules of Engagement". And it doesn't state how the "peaceful protesters" are required to conduct themselves. The demands are strictly to be adhered to on the part of the police. Fuck that. Secondly, the proposed RoEs state, "water bottles". Not glass, not plastic. Water bottles. Could be made of anything. Could be empty or full. It doesn't specify. So before you accuse others of not being able to read you might wanna check your comprehension skills as well. Because from what I can tell they're sorely lacking.
It is apparent that this is a sounding room of Barney Fifes with a "Whaooo is me", 'they' are all bad people, "Ya gotta nip it in the bud"...Thin blue line of solidarity. Many of your statements on here show why people should be afraid of the cops instead supporting them. It makes it harder for the good cops out there that deserve the communities support.
Wow. Go figure. An internet tough guy who apparently has never had the stones to face real violence on the street. You've got a lot of nerve calling the current and former LE officers on this forum (who've responded in this thread) "Barney Fife's". This is exactly the type of idiotic statement that gets you flamed over and over. Face it. Regardless of how many relatives you have in law enforcement you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to do the job in a world full of know-it-all people like you. People with your attitude are the type of people that makes cops have an "us vs them" attitude. It's not the thugs like Michael Brown. It's the idiots who should know better. At least Barney Fife had the courage to put the badge on...something you obviously don't have.
This 'Brown' incident is not an isolated occurrence, it is just the one with the spot light for now.
That's right. It happens over and over in communities where certain groups think they're above the law and entitled to certain privileges and respect based solely on race. They think that because there's always a pussy somewhere willing to say a set of demands like this is "reasonable".
The fear you show of a job you obviously picked shows you picked poorly. I hope you find something you are better suited for. Protecting the community does not seem a natural fit. Instead of trying to understand the reasons people are upset, you want to meet one expected wrong with a worse "shock and awe" wrong.
Your constant references to fear seem to be projection more than anything else. First you call officers/former officers on the forum "Barney's" then you state there's some tremendous fear on the part of Joe Public towards police. Well that really doesn't make sense to me. Then again, most things you post here don't make sense. I haven't seen one LEO/former LEO here say the police should automatically respond with "shock and awe" or anything of the sort. Even I said they should ignore this list of demands and tell the community they have nothing to worry about if they want to peacefully demonstrate. Many people, including me, have said that the police response to law-breakers should be within the bounds of what the law allows. You're just making shit up now.
For the record... a glass bottle is not equivalent to a gun even if both can do harm.
Colorado statutes defining a deadly weapon are clear on this. You're wrong. As usual. Any item whether animate or inanimate, which is capable of inflicting death or SBI in the manner in which it's used can be a deadly weapon. Period.
By that reasoning ANYTHING in the hands of a non-cop gives a cop the right to beat up or even shoot somebody and that is not 'OK'.
Do you have any idea how stupid this statement is? Probably not.
I don't agree with this idea "If your not Cop you'er little people".
I'm guessing most all of this think this way. You're the only one that's brought up that sentiment without any sort of provocation other than several people are disagreeing with your nonsense.
As previously stated, if somebody is actually doing something wrong..... arrest them. Don't beat them up and think you are any better than those you expect to be "thugs" or wonder why the rest of the already agitated crowd retaliates.
Yeah...sounds familiar:
The police are only obligated to act within the law. Period. They are not obligated to concede to these demands nor should they. Their response should be, as long as everyone behaves themselves and assembles peaceably, you won't have anything to worry about from the PD. Break the law and we'll do what it takes to arrest your dumbass.
Nowhere does it state in their request that they condone a 'riot' or 'looting'. It is a tense environment and they don't want a minor infraction to turn into the original police response.
A minor infraction like a robbery and subsequent assault on a police officer where the robbery suspect attempted to disarm the officer? That sort of minor infraction?
They arrested a woman for simply falling down for Christ's sake!!! Cops should be safe but instead of the Barney approach (that failed horribly the first time) this is trying to have the Andy Griffith approach of de-escalation. That is not a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing as long as these protesters remain peaceful and understand they don't get to dictate police response.
Now....Let the Barney's come out with their BS.........
Yeah...you're just a real reasonable guy, aren't ya? You can take your "Barney" bullshit and shove it up your....pie hole. Takes a real tough guy to say shit like that behind a keyboard.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 15:53
Saw this posted today:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/09/008511206efd0dff6d6370733a998f52.jpg
That's awesome!
..."Whaooo is me"...
No comment on the rest of the paragraph you wrote, but I believe you meant "Woe is Me", no?
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 16:42
"Whaooo is me" is probably more appropriate is his case.
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 17:00
Guys the only way to respond to post like hounds is IGNORE, CLICK. He throws temper tantrums, like a 12 yr denouncing what he believes to be police brutality ( where it has not happend) YET Based on the demands of a local group of IMO Anarchist.
COLOR OF SKIN HAS NOTHING TO DO with with it unless you're one of the ones DEMANDING JUSTICE FOR MICHEAL BROWN. For fuks sake his own family is putting beat downs on other family members, BECAUSE they cutting in on the PROFITS.
REMEMBER THAT WORD PROFIT[S] Because that is what this shit comes down to, another Sharpton / jackson shakedown.
PISS AND MOAN how the ferfuson cops profile it's own, city council does nothing but rubber stamp the PD's actions.
Supposedly their gripe is nothing new but as some say, simmering till this police execution of a sainted child who was destined for great thing.
One would THINK if the local citizenry of ferguson really felt that way. They would have run some like minded people for city council. BUT NOOOOOO Better to sit back enjoying .gov benefits and ignore issues, that most other towns would have thrown the council out for.
hurley842002
11-09-2014, 17:07
No comment on the rest of the paragraph you wrote, but I believe you meant "Woe is Me", no?
Same here, as any comment from me would have brought extreme but hurt to some, and likely wouldn't be very classy on my part.
Bailey, you have a much better way of articulating your thoughts, much better than I. Thank you.
hurley842002
11-09-2014, 17:07
[beer]
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 17:26
[beer]
30 [Beer] TEACHER, TEACHER bobby is touching my school books.
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 17:36
Same here, as any comment from me would have brought extreme but hurt to some, and likely wouldn't be very classy on my part.
Bailey, you have a much better way of articulating your thoughts, much better than I. Thank you.
TIRED OF BANGING YOUR KEYBOARD AGAINST THE DESK. WELL NO MORE ANXIETY FOR YOU
sign up for Bailey Guns dealing with people without insulting them, is coming to a lecture hall near you. IF you order within the next 24hrs and we'll throw in a special dvd.
Big John
11-09-2014, 17:44
You're BS just gets better and better. The best way to make yourself look like a condescending ass, which you have a real talent for doing, is to attempt to correct someone with incorrect information.
In the first place, these were not "requests". On the document in the OP it clearly states they are "Proposed Rules of Engagement". And it doesn't state how the "peaceful protesters" are required to conduct themselves. The demands are strictly to be adhered to on the part of the police. Fuck that. Secondly, the proposed RoEs state, "water bottles". Not glass, not plastic. Water bottles. Could be made of anything. Could be empty or full. It doesn't specify. So before you accuse others of not being able to read you might wanna check your comprehension skills as well. Because from what I can tell they're sorely lacking.
Wow. Go figure. An internet tough guy who apparently has never had the stones to face real violence on the street. You've got a lot of nerve calling the current and former LE officers on this forum (who've responded in this thread) "Barney Fife's". This is exactly the type of idiotic statement that gets you flamed over and over. Face it. Regardless of how many relatives you have in law enforcement you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to do the job in a world full of know-it-all people like you. People with your attitude are the type of people that makes cops have an "us vs them" attitude. It's not the thugs like Michael Brown. It's the idiots who should know better. At least Barney Fife had the courage to put the badge on...something you obviously don't have.
That's right. It happens over and over in communities where certain groups think they're above the law and entitled to certain privileges and respect based solely on race. They think that because there's always a pussy somewhere willing to say a set of demands like this is "reasonable".
Your constant references to fear seem to be projection more than anything else. First you call officers/former officers on the forum "Barney's" then you state there's some tremendous fear on the part of Joe Public towards police. Well that really doesn't make sense to me. Then again, most things you post here don't make sense. I haven't seen one LEO/former LEO here say the police should automatically respond with "shock and awe" or anything of the sort. Even I said they should ignore this list of demands and tell the community they have nothing to worry about if they want to peacefully demonstrate. Many people, including me, have said that the police response to law-breakers should be within the bounds of what the law allows. You're just making shit up now.
Colorado statutes defining a deadly weapon are clear on this. You're wrong. As usual. Any item whether animate or inanimate, which is capable of inflicting death or SBI in the manner in which it's used can be a deadly weapon. Period.
Do you have any idea how stupid this statement is? Probably not.
I'm guessing most all of this think this way. You're the only one that's brought up that sentiment without any sort of provocation other than several people are disagreeing with your nonsense.
Yeah...sounds familiar:
A minor infraction like a robbery and subsequent assault on a police officer where the robbery suspect attempted to disarm the officer? That sort of minor infraction?
It's not a bad thing as long as these protesters remain peaceful and understand they don't get to dictate police response.
Yeah...you're just a real reasonable guy, aren't ya? You can take your "Barney" bullshit and shove it up your....pie hole. Takes a real tough guy to say shit like that behind a keyboard.Very nice break down[Ban3]
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 17:48
Very nice break down[Ban3]
He did a good job, as usual. BTW: nice meeting you today.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 17:50
Apologies for losing my cool...but some things just push my buttons a little too hard.
hurley842002
11-09-2014, 17:52
Apologies for losing my cool...but some things just push my buttons a little too hard.
No need (as far as I'm concerned).
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 17:57
Apologies for losing my cool...but some things just push my buttons a little too hard.
You should not, IMO, nor is there a need to APOLOGIZE. That's COMPROMISE, where the instigator skates and you're holding the bag.
Personally this thread should be locked. Lets see what happens when the GJ goes public with the verdict.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 18:02
Damn right! I'd rather hang with Barney than a Hound any day.
52103
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 18:14
Damn right! I'd rather hang with Barney than a Hound any day.
52103
Now don't get all riled up barney, life's to short for boys like him..
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WXKbKJcSe1Y/TFKvgpxZ0XI/AAAAAAAAA1w/39ej4EjiblY/s400/aunt+bee.JPG
ZERO THEORY
11-09-2014, 18:43
Damn, Bailey ethered Hound on that one.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/qB7b6.gif
mcantar18c
11-09-2014, 19:28
Well this thread got fun while I was away
Big John
11-09-2014, 19:38
He did a good job, as usual. BTW: nice meeting you today.Back atcha[Beer]
hurley842002
11-09-2014, 19:49
Back atcha[Beer]
So you mean the Great Kazoo isn't a big ol meanie after all? Or you just have thick skin?
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2014, 19:56
So you mean the Great Kazoo isn't a big ol meanie after all? Or you just have thick skin?
He was here a few hours and left empty handed. Must be loosing that ol magic in my golden years.
At least Barney Fife had the courage to put the badge on...something you obviously don't have.
Your constant references to fear seem to be projection more than anything else. First you call officers/former officers on the forum "Barney's" then you state there's some tremendous fear on the part of Joe Public towards police. Well that really doesn't make sense to me. Then again, most things you post here don't make sense. I haven't seen one LEO/former LEO here say the police should automatically respond with "shock and awe" or anything of the sort. Even I said they should ignore this list of demands and tell the community they have nothing to worry about if they want to peacefully demonstrate. Many people, including me, have said that the police response to law-breakers should be within the bounds of what the law allows. You're just making shit up now.
You can take your "Barney" bullshit and shove it up your....pie hole. Takes a real tough guy to say shit like that behind a keyboard.
Did I hit a little close to home? Barney was a coward hiding behind a badge, required to keep his one bullet in his pocket because he was a menace to himself and others. It took a real cop with common sense to keep him in line. Don't pretend to know my background. I knew you would bite...... and you did. Thanks for making my point. You make it so easy.
I never said all cops.... just some.
Did I hit a little close to home? Barney was a coward hiding behing a badge, required to keep his one bullet in his pocket because he was a menence to himself and others. It took a real cop with common sense to keep him in line. Don't pretend to know my background. I knew you would bite...... and you did. Thanks for making my point. You make it so easy.
I never said all cops.... just some.
Uh, Barney was a fictional character in a television show. Real life and TV seldom have anything in common.
Be safe.
jerrymrc
11-09-2014, 20:11
Ya all done yet? [beatdeadhorse][Bang]
stoner01
11-09-2014, 20:12
Kids can we stop fighting each other and focus on the real enemy......
He was here a few hours and left empty handed. Must be loosing that ol magic in my golden years.
So you didn't let him borrow a chainsaw?
IIRC Bailey is leaving the State sometime in the near future. I, for one, hope he continues to be a big contributor to this forum. This thread is just one example of his thorough reasoning and grasp of the situation.
Sorry Hound, you're outmatched big time. And a little Loco if you'd agree with this list.
(Not a member of the Thin Blue Line)
Kids can we stop fighting each other and focus on the real enemy......
Satan?
Sorry bellavite1. He is the Prince of Darkness and the Father of Lies [Flower]
Satan?
Sorry bellavite1. He is the Prince of Darkness and the Father of Lies [Flower]
I always thought Ozzy was the Prince of Darkness.....
I always thought Ozzy was the Prince of Darkness.....
Only on stage and in World of Warcraft. The rest of the time he is a bit slow on the uptake and has killed a few too many million neurons to be much of anything anymore.
HoneyBadger
11-09-2014, 20:35
Wow, this was entertaining. Cops are all authoritarian jerks! [/sarcasm]
Wow, this was entertaining. Cops are all authoritarian jerks! [/sarcasm]
Only on duty. At home, my wife is the boss.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 20:38
No. Only the ones (and former ones) on this forum:
It is apparent that this is a sounding room of Barney Fifes with a "Whaooo is me", 'they' are all bad people, "Ya gotta nip it in the bud"...Thin blue line of solidarity. Many of your statements on here show why people should be afraid of the cops instead supporting them.
balyon885
11-09-2014, 20:42
If throwing water bottles, even the plastic ones, is no big deal, how come I can't keep the lid on any of my soda/beer/water bottles at any concerts or sporting events?
stoner01
11-09-2014, 22:22
Only on duty. At home, my wife is the boss.
Truth
Big John
11-10-2014, 05:36
So you mean the Great Kazoo isn't a big ol meanie after all? Or you just have thick skin?
Yes!
Big John
11-10-2014, 05:39
He was here a few hours and left empty handed. Must be loosing that ol magic in my golden years.I went there with empty pockets. I'm quite certain we will be able to strike a deal on my next visit.
Big John
11-10-2014, 05:41
Hopefully this will play out to be the big day in Feguson. I'm tired of waiting for something that I believe was decided quite some time ago.
Me too, I'd like to get this over with.
ZERO THEORY
11-10-2014, 08:23
At home, my wife is the boss.
Unacceptable.
Hoping they'll wait until after Veteran's day.
muddywings
11-10-2014, 09:02
Hoping they'll wait until after Veteran's day.
I'm actually guessing tomorrow evening. I bet 'they' are hoping the weather will be really bad and people have to go to work the next morning....actually strike that last part.
Unacceptable. To you.
So now you would like to tell me how to live?
Happy wife for a happy life.
It's been working for me for over 25 years.
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kidicarus13
11-10-2014, 13:41
davsel, I have to congratulate you. You're always providing insight/photos/commentary not found on liberal media.
Is it hurricane season already?? :eek:
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The good people in Ferguson need to stand firm with the "You loot, we shoot" adage of times past, even if only as a deterrent from the horde. Don't any of those low-life's have family and friends with businesses?
Great-Kazoo
11-10-2014, 14:13
Is it hurricane season already?? :eek:
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OH There's Ill Winds Blowing.
$25 says Sharpton, jackson, Holder and his highness don't do anything till after the fires have died out. MORE charges of Racism from the locals after a few Code of Conduct Protesters get locked up, one or 2 get hickory shampoos.
BIG HEADLINES OVER UNWARRANTED ATTACKS BY POLICE IN FERGADISHU.
Yet the media (in general) will down play the cop who took a piece of brick to his head, the others who were hit with NON-Fragmenting water bottles AND shot at. With the shooting at cops way down the story line, like page 3.
Whats sad is the same leaders who throw bombs and incite this kind of action, could have worked towards a less confrontational result. The same playbook used time & time again with calls for peace ALWAYS come after the body count rises.
HoneyBadger
11-10-2014, 14:29
The good people in Ferguson need to stand firm with the "You loot, we shoot" adage of times past, even if only as a deterrent from the horde. Don't any of those low-life's have family and friends with businesses?
Nope. Their way of life doesn't include "owning a business and being finacially responsible for yourself"
Big John
11-10-2014, 17:29
I haven't heard any news on a release of info. I guess the leakers were full o' pooh.
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/mccullough-press-release-ferguson.jpg?w=640
Big John
11-10-2014, 17:38
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/mccullough-press-release-ferguson.jpg?w=640Thank you!
Great-Kazoo
11-10-2014, 20:58
Nope. Their way of life doesn't include "owning a business and being finacially responsible for yourself"
Not everyone in the area is FSA. There are a good percentage of honest , working folks. UNFORTUNATELY the smaller element will triumph, until the majority decide enough is enough.
Live near the 600 block of W. Vermijo in the springs, North denver south of 38th between pecos & Lipan, trying to get the neighbors to sign your Quiet The Motorcycles petition. Isn't going to happen. Not when you have 2 - 3 patch holders ask you if they could sign what ever your trying to get passed.
HoneyBadger
11-10-2014, 23:02
Not everyone in the area is FSA. There are a good percentage of honest , working folks. UNFORTUNATELY the smaller element will triumph, until the majority decide enough is enough.
Live near the 600 block of W. Vermijo in the springs, North denver south of 38th between pecos & Lipan, trying to get the neighbors to sign your Quiet The Motorcycles petition. Isn't going to happen. Not when you have 2 - 3 patch holders ask you if they could sign what ever your trying to get passed.
Right. I was just saying that of course the rioters wouldn't be worried about hurting their family business... because that's not the sort of business their families are in. They are in the "I'm going to take advantage of the situation and get me a new pair of $300 shoes or ten" business.
GilpinGuy
11-10-2014, 23:09
Holy crap. The bottom line is that the thugs will go nuts and profit from it (if they aren't caught) and the good, law-abiding folks will be victims. As usual. What is new here? Fuck the "demands". Nice try.
This thread is really 14 pages long? [facepalm]
HoneyBadger
11-10-2014, 23:11
Holy crap.
This thread is really 14 pages long? [facepalm]
Haha Yep! We at COAR15 really like to [beatdeadhorse]
GilpinGuy
11-10-2014, 23:25
Haha Yep! We at COAR15 really like to [beatdeadhorse]
One more and we're at 15 pages for the trolls to peruse through.
ZERO THEORY
11-10-2014, 23:48
This thread is really 14 pages long? [facepalm]
I'm only on page 5, but I use 30 PPP.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2014, 00:23
Holy crap. The bottom line is that the thugs will go nuts and profit from it (if they aren't caught) and the good, law-abiding folks will be victims. As usual. What is new here? Fuck the "demands". Nice try.
This thread is really 14 pages long? [facepalm]
14? You need to try something other than Apple products[Beer]. Wait till the GJ releases its verdict and some community organizer takes a faceful of tear gas. Then the LE bashing , from people who have cops in their family, will really get going.
OR the thread will get locked . Which I'm surprised this is still open.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2014, 00:24
Haha Yep! We at COAR15 really like to [beatdeadhorse]
IBTL by page 7 ?
14? You need to try something other than Apple products[Beer]. Wait till the GJ releases its verdict and some community organizer takes a faceful of tear gas. Then the LE bashing , from people who have cops in their family, will really get going.
OR the thread will get locked . Which I'm surprised this is still open.
Unfortunately this...
I'm just shocked there's anything to discuss. If they don't bring charges on Wilson, it doesn't matter, the pissed off people in Ferguson will still think he's guilty regardless and unleash their fury upon the city. They don't respect justice unless it is their twisted form of it. Courts and due process be dammed for these folks.
Oh, and IBTL. [emoji10]
Yup, I think they'll go crazy even if he is charged. Just get it over with already.
I kinda feel bad for the cop, he's screwed for the rest of his life.
Unfortunately this...
I'm just shocked there's anything to discuss. If they don't bring charges on Wilson, it doesn't matter, the pissed off people in Ferguson will still think he's guilty regardless and unleash their fury upon the city. They don't respect justice unless it is their twisted form of it. Courts and due process be dammed for these folks.
Oh, and IBTL. [emoji10]
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2014, 09:39
Yup, I think they'll go crazy even if he is charged. Just get it over with already.
I kinda feel bad for the cop, he's screwed for the rest of his life.
It doesn't matter to some of the people , when you are telling the media this bullshit. Their mind is made up Wilson is guilty, brown innocent. I'm throwning another $10 in to the mix. Saying if , IF the GJ does indict Wilson, there will still be unrest.
some groups have threatened widespread protests if Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson is not charged with a crime in the death of Michael Brown, 18.
"I told them if there is no indictment, please only come through neighborhoods when called. Please do not continue to traumatize our community," said Russell. But "they don't want to meet with the youth. I honestly believe they are planning to kill us in the streets."
The irony would be for him / her to be hit by their own friendly fire. OOPS sorry bro.
HoneyBadger
11-11-2014, 09:58
I'm only on page 5, but I use 30 PPP.
Weak. All the pros are only on page 4... ;)
Still butt hurt from the "If you'er not cop you'er little people....?" Let it go already. You don't have to keep making my point.
Then the LE bashing , from people who have cops in their family, will really get going.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2014, 14:05
[LOL]
eneranch
11-11-2014, 15:11
Just heard the Parents of Michael Brown took their case to the UN Committee Against Torture in Geneva,Switzerland.
"We need the world to know what's going on in Ferguson and we need justice," McSpadden told CNN in Geneva, Switzerland.
"We need answers and we need action. And we have to bring it to the U.N. so they can expose it to the rest of the world, what's going on in small town Ferguson."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/11/us/ferguson-brown-parents-u-n-/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
HoneyBadger
11-11-2014, 15:19
Just heard the Parents of Michael Brown took their case to the UN Committee Against Torture in Geneva,Switzerland.
"We need the world to know what's going on in Ferguson and we need justice," McSpadden told CNN in Geneva, Switzerland.
"We need answers and we need action. And we have to bring it to the U.N. so they can expose it to the rest of the world, what's going on in small town Ferguson."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/11/us/ferguson-brown-parents-u-n-/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Jesus Christ... These people are going to be the end of us all. [facepalm]
We need the world to know that...
1. We suck as a parents but we had fun getting laid.
2. Our son was a thug piece of shit and you owe us for raising him that way.
3. Give us money.
4. Give us more money.
PugnacAutMortem
11-11-2014, 15:48
1. We suck as a parents but we had fun getting laid.
2. Our son was a thug piece of shit and you owe us for raising him that way.
3. Give us money.
4. Give us more money.
Hey hey hey...in their defense I too want people to give me money and give me more money for being a parent. Gratuitous amounts of money, copious amounts even. Nobody has yet though...if this UN Council makes it happen for them I might have to find that phone number and give them a holler...
buffalobo
11-11-2014, 15:49
1. We suck as a parents but we had fun getting laid.
2. Our son was a thug piece of shit and you owe us for raising him that way.
3. Give us money.
4. Give us more money.
^^^^^This, they went looking for another revenue stream.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2014, 16:05
Just heard the Parents of Michael Brown took their case to the UN Committee Against Torture in Geneva,Switzerland.
"We need the world to know what's going on in Ferguson and we need justice," McSpadden told CNN in Geneva, Switzerland.
"We need answers and we need action. And we have to bring it to the U.N. so they can expose it to the rest of the world, what's going on in small town Ferguson."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/11/us/ferguson-brown-parents-u-n-/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
She speaking about the self defense shooting of her son. OR... the attack on MB's grandmother, by her and 1 -2 car loads of peaceful demonstrators?
I'm trying to think of a single issue in my life that was brought to my attention because the UN showed it to me. Everyone else continue this discussion, I'm probably going to be here for a while...
Big John
11-11-2014, 16:26
She speaking about the self defense shooting of her son. OR... the attack on MB's grandmother, by her and 1 -2 car loads of peaceful demonstrators?They were just venting[Stick]
BushMasterBoy
11-11-2014, 19:25
Get the fuck out of the street...
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2014, 19:31
Get the fuck out of the street...
Not without a 24 hour warning.
Bailey Guns
11-11-2014, 22:07
Still butt hurt from the "If you'er not cop you'er little people....?" Let it go already. You don't have to keep making my point.
Stop embarrassing yourself, dude. Wait...you're probably not embarrassed. Wow.
Goodburbon
11-11-2014, 22:10
Was discussing this with a coworker last night. He is VERY passionate about it, and a bit of a socialist. The corporations are to blame (he works for one), the system is biased against minorities, I am a benefactor of white privilege and will never understand. The demands aren't out of line as there is a need to blow off steam without a heavy handed response by authorities provoking further reaction from a sensitive populace who is trapped in poverty with no way out because the system, corporations, white power etc.
Nevermind the fact that the shooting may have been justified. This is the straw that broke the camels back, even if it's not a straw.
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Somebody went to the United Nations? Blue helmets in Missouri [Snow] [ROFL2]
For what it's worth, there is a fantastic podcast from Dan Carlin's Common Sense series about this whole mess. It actually gave me a lot to think about and a new perspective on the whole situation. I believe the title is something like "even if it saves just one". For those here who can't possibly see why someone would believe what they do, it may be worth a listen.
Also, by way of disclaimer, this is not some touchy hippy stuff, Dan Carlin is brilliant and also very much a libertarian.
eneranch
11-12-2014, 07:53
Somebody went to the United Nations? Blue helmets in Missouri [Snow] [ROFL2]
If the UN decides to invade, I think we should ask Putin to intervene on our behalf. We need someone with balls around this place. [ROFL2][ROFL3]
Get the fuck out of the street...
When children play in the street, sometimes accidents happen and they get hit by cars or even trucks. We don't want that to happen.
You too? Ya just can't stop yourself.... Can ya? [MOD EDIT] It's like grandpa yelling get off the lawn. Yup... WOW. Again... Let it go already.
Stop embarrassing yourself, dude. Wait...you're probably not embarrassed. Wow.
68Charger
11-12-2014, 10:40
Was discussing this with a coworker last night. He is VERY passionate about it, and a bit of a socialist. The corporations are to blame (he works for one), the system is biased against minorities, I am a benefactor of white privilege and will never understand. The demands aren't out of line as there is a need to blow off steam without a heavy handed response by authorities provoking further reaction from a sensitive populace who is trapped in poverty with no way out because the system, corporations, white power etc.
Nevermind the fact that the shooting may have been justified. This is the straw that broke the camels back, even if it's not a straw.
I think he's confusing reality with the plot from "The Purge"...
theGinsue
11-12-2014, 13:02
We've had a few close calls here but this thread has been able to stay open for 166 posts.
Now, the personal attacks are really coming out and I think we'll be closing this thread very soon unless you all can show me that you're mature adults and it isn't necessary.
mindfold
11-12-2014, 13:06
I wait any longer......IBTL!!!!
Big John
11-12-2014, 13:47
Newbie... IBTL
Big John
11-12-2014, 14:02
For what it's worth, there is a fantastic podcast from Dan Carlin's Common Sense series about this whole mess. It actually gave me a lot to think about and a new perspective on the whole situation. I believe the title is something like "even if it saves just one". For those here who can't possibly see why someone would believe what they do, it may be worth a listen.
Also, by way of disclaimer, this is not some touchy hippy stuff, Dan Carlin is brilliant and also very much a libertarian.I listened to better than half of this before I had to leave for work. While I agree with some of the militarization and pointing guns at innocents stuff, I disagree with some of his theory on built up anger. When people are breaking into businesses and stealing things this theory goes right out the window for me.
All in all, it was a good listen and I plan on listening to more of his podcast's. Thanks for the tip!
blackford76
11-12-2014, 14:48
What the hell...IBTL
ThunderSquirrel
11-12-2014, 15:36
52215
mtnrider
11-12-2014, 15:52
I just came here to see Big John's Avatar [Dunno]
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