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SuperiorDG
11-20-2014, 10:06
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COULD THIS MEAN THE END OF THE SIG BRACE FOR AR PISTOLS? the headline at shootingsportsretailer.com (http://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/2014/11/19/could-this-mean-the-end-of-the-sig-brace/) asks. “In a letter to short-barreled shotgun manufacturer feds say shouldering an SB15 could be illegal,” the sub-head suggests. “No, it’s not the end of the SIG Brace for AR pistols,” SIG Brace inventor and manufacturer Alex Bosco told TTAG. “The author needs to learn how to read.” Indeed. The ATF letter above addresses an inquiry from Florida gunmaker Eric Lemoine (of blackacestactical.com (http://www.blackacestactical.com/)) about using a SIG Brace on a short-barreled shotgun. And only that proposal. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the SIG Brace and AR pistols. As Bosco makes clear . . .

“The ATF has cleared us to sell the brace, which was designed as an orthotic device to help wounded warriors or anyone else with limited mobility or strength to fire a pistol,” Bosco points out. “We’ve sold thousands to date; there’s nothing that should prevent us from selling more.”
The letter does raise some interesting questions. The chief of the ATF Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch writes that a short-barreled shotgun with a SIG Brace is only an NFA item if the shooter uses it as a shoulder brace. So . . . you could only be arrested for owning one if the ATF caught you using it improperly.
Let’s see that hold up in court. As Alex puts it, “If you use a toothbrush as an ice pick, legally, it’s still a toothbrush.”
That said, Bosco’s SB Tactical (https://www.facebook.com/sbtacticalbrace) has no plans to attach his brace to a shotgun. Any shotgun. Ever. “We’ve got a great partnership with SIG. We think the brace on their new MPX we will be a huge hit . . . We don’t need to get caught up in this. And we won’t. Meanwhile, if you want a brace for an AR pistol, you can have a brace for your AR pistol.” Truer words have never been spoken.

thvigil11
11-20-2014, 10:10
^^^ This

I read a page or two on another site of all the internet lawyers arguing this one out. The level of stupid quickly grew beyond the charts. Oh well, Panic Time!!!

[panic]



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Zundfolge
11-20-2014, 10:16
Its pretty clear that this only applies to short barrel shotguns.

SuperiorDG
11-20-2014, 10:18
Its pretty clear that this only applies to short barrel shotguns.

True and only if used improperly.

davsel
11-20-2014, 10:40
Sounds like Benelli needs to partner with SIG and start labeling them as a "Shotgun pistol brace."
It would then be legal "because the subject brace [would not have] then been made or remade, designed or redesigned from its originally intended purpose."

Great-Kazoo
11-20-2014, 10:57
One more reason to buy one off paper.

crashdown
11-20-2014, 11:17
One more reason to buy one off paper.

Who gets a Sig brace registered?

MED
11-20-2014, 11:22
One more reason to buy one off paper.

Doesn't really mater to me; if I can't legally use it, then it serves no purpose. I would just convert my pistol to an SBR and file the form 1.

Zundfolge
11-20-2014, 11:31
Who gets a Sig brace registered?

Anyone that buys one from a retailer with a credit card.

Only way to buy anything "off paper" is to walk into a shop, plunk down greenbacks and walk out.



Doesn't really mater to me; if I can't legally use it, then it serves no purpose. I would just convert my pistol to an SBR and file the form 1.

Or just put the big foam pad back on ... really AR pistols don't shoot too bad without it.

Would love to see these guys (http://lunaseasports.com/store/) make a version in black that fit pistol buffer tubes.

cstone
11-20-2014, 18:54
Trying to read and comprehend the tortured logic of the BATFE, and their never ending mission to regulate the safe use of firearms, gives me a headache.

Eric P
11-20-2014, 21:46
This whole classification of guns is just silly. A gun is a gun is a gun. Does it matter if you use one hand, two hands, or shoulder it? No. Does it matter if it shoots a single projectile or many at once? No. Does it matter if the barrel is 3, 5, 12, 16+ inches? No. It is still a gun no matter is configuration or intended use.

Laws would be so much simpler if sub classification of items would stop.

cstone
11-20-2014, 22:58
The government...she no specialize in simple. Complication creates work and work requires workers and workers can join unions and unions support bureaucrats who hire more workers who need more work so they increase complication. When the complication becomes specialized, it spawns experts and contractors and policy analysts. All of these require increased salaries which causes increased taxes that must be manipulated and overseen by more workers and bureaucrats.

Government is a cancerous growth.

Ah Pook
11-20-2014, 23:48
The government...she no specialize in simple. Complication creates work and work requires workers and workers can join unions and unions support bureaucrats who hire more workers who need more work so they increase complication. When the complication becomes specialized, it spawns experts and contractors and policy analysts. All of these require increased salaries which causes increased taxes that must be manipulated and overseen by more workers and bureaucrats.

Government is a cancerous growth.

Control is controlled by it's need to control.
William S. Burroughs

ray1970
11-21-2014, 08:27
The government...she no specialize in simple. Complication creates work and work requires workers and workers can join unions and unions support bureaucrats who hire more workers who need more work so they increase complication. When the complication becomes specialized, it spawns experts and contractors and policy analysts. All of these require increased salaries which causes increased taxes that must be manipulated and overseen by more workers and bureaucrats.

Government is a cancerous growth.

You, my friend, are a genius. The best description I have seen of exactly what government truly is.

I vote we we make you king and supreme dictator and call it a day. I'd sleep better knowing you were steering the ship.

[Beer]

jerrymrc
11-21-2014, 08:56
I need to find this "Government" Everyone always talks about. I do not belong to a union, have had one pay raise of 1% in the last 5 years, My net pay has dropped by $175 a paycheck since 2010 and I have seen an increase of 20-30% in work to do with a loss of 2 employees in those last 5 years. Just saying. [beatdeadhorse]

cstone
11-21-2014, 19:34
And we are just cogs on our wheels within a mechanism of many wheels. Some cogs are wearing out while doing more work while others are being replaced or enlarged while doing no work. We have the perspective of an ant on the carpet of a floorboard in a truck inside a C141 going over the Atlantic Ocean. What we know of the whole is minimal and mostly speculation. Stay in your lane and mind your task. The wizard behind the curtain has very little patience for questions or comments.

Hold on Jerry. That is either retirement or an oncoming train at the end of that tunnel. Either way, it will be over when it is over. [Beer]

ray1970
11-22-2014, 07:23
Hold on Jerry. That is either retirement or an oncoming train at the end of that tunnel. Either way, it will be over when it is over. [Beer]

With Jerry's luck it's probably the train.

Artema
11-22-2014, 09:28
I want to point out the brace is ONLY relevant due to the smooth bore. This is not an issue for barrels with rifling, be it shotgun, rifle, pistol, etc.


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Sixgun
12-14-2014, 19:48
So basically has a shotgun ever been legal (w/o a stamp) in pistol form. A brace shouldn't change that.