AK/AR Mutant

[Mtn.man]

Fayette, MO (Dec. 1, 2014)—CMMG Inc. today announced the release of the Mk47 MUTANT– an all-new rifle platform that combines the accuracy of the modern sporting rifle and relentless AK47-like reliability with the legendary 7.62x39mm round

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/foghorn/new-cmmg-mk47-mutant-ar-15-7-62x39/

[Batteriesnare]

Didn't Rock River arms try this few years back?

[beast556]

Looks cool, but priced out of my leauge.

[Great-Kazoo]

Didn't Rock River arms try this few years back?

Yes, but with a 223 bolt cut for the 30 cal case. CMMG is using their 308 platform bolt carrier, and proprietary lower. With their price point, i'll stick with my $399 or less AK's. Another 30 cal option is the 300blk, which requires a different bbl, still utilizing standard AR parts.

[stoner01]

Yeah IF I go beyond my common calibers I'll get 300blk

[ZERO THEORY]

WANTED: A NAIL

New hammer seeks accommodating nail to drive. Looking for that perfect problem for my solution.

[osok-308]

Yeah, I think I'd just buy an AK if I want to shoot 7.62x39. Much cheaper. Really cool idea though. If it were cheaper, I might consider it.

[HoneyBadger]

As Zero Theory said above, this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[Gman]

I think they know they aren't going to sell many. Lots and lots of words...followed by the pricing.

[sniper7]

Too much $$$

[Skully]

WANTED: A NAIL

New hammer seeks accommodating nail to drive. Looking for that perfect problem for my solution.


As Zero Theory said above, this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

This is CMMG who created the .50 cal muzzle loading black powder Upper for your AR. (http://www.cmmginc.com/product_p/50ba663.htm)

http://www.bigsupplyshop.com/assets/images/cmmgpic50ba663.jpg


They creat things no one I think has really asked for, yet, maybe never.

[Coffee]

[TFOGGER]

Truly a solution in search of a problem. Direct impingement gas system with combloc surplus ammo from the 70s? No, thank you.

[roberth]

Sig has their new 556XI, PTR tried 762x39 out, now this.

Intriguing but I think most people will stick with the AK.

[Zundfolge]

Didn't Rock River arms try this few years back?
Knights Armory did it with the SR-47 over a decade ago.

http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/imagesnew/catshitone_packy_sr47.jpg



Seems like a lot of meh to me ... if I wanted a 30 cal AR I'd rather just go with .300 blackout.

One thing that annoys me with AKs in general is the magazine ergos ... rock and lock is pretty lame when compared with drop-free at the touch of a button.

[theGinsue]

I think they know they aren't going to sell many. Lots and lots of words...followed by the pricing.


Too much $$$
Agreed. At $1650, I could have 4 of those $399 AK's the Great-Kazoo mentioned.

[Circuits]

I guess they hope that if it has rails and they keep talking about it the gear queers will pony up to get one.

[two shoes]

I thought you guys were going to be talking about this: FAXON ARAK (http://www.faxonfirearms.com/c/1/arak-21-upper-receivers)

[Justin]

This is the perfect rifle for someone who hates the AK platform, but inexplicably has a couple cases of AK magazines laying around.

[ray1970]

I didn't watch this video but here it is in all its glory in live action.


http://youtu.be/xe48LfRMkt0

[Great-Kazoo]

Knights Armory did it with the SR-47 over a decade ago.

http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/imagesnew/catshitone_packy_sr47.jpg



Seems like a lot of meh to me ... if I wanted a 30 cal AR I'd rather just go with .300 blackout.

One thing that annoys me with AKs in general is the magazine ergos ... rock and lock is pretty lame when compared with drop-free at the touch of a button.


OLY Arms had one 21 years ago. I owned one for maybe 2 weeks. The DI system, combined with a 223 bolt relieved for a 30 cal case was hit or miss. Colt offered a sporter the same time frame in 92 for a few years. It was an answer to the 89 import ban. One not many people responded to.
Now having a handful of those AK style mags with AR towers would be nice.

[WillysWagon]

The price point alone would turn me off.
I like the idea of using standard AK mags and whatnot, but wouldn't buy one.
I did buy the PAP M85np cause it took AR mags, but it is a cheap toy to just have fun with.

[Zundfolge]

The price point alone would turn me off.
I suspect that will turn off the vast majority of potential buyers. It needs to be about half that price (around $800) to be worth buying over an actual AK.

If this was someone other than CMMG I'd think they built it trying to land some military contracts, but its CMMG and they like to build crazy stuff for S&G (which I can respect).

[Great-Kazoo]

The original bushmaster was an AR/AK hybrid - because the AR was still subject to patents. Its a very interesting and reliable gun if you've ever had the pleasure. (I have)

I had the bullpup
http://lionellinismyhero.googlepages.com/gwinn_pistol.JPG
and one of these when they were $299 purchased it in NY of all places.
http://lionellinismyhero.googlepages.com/folder.JPG

[MarkCO]

As Zero Theory said above, this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

For many companies in the industry right now, the problem is cash flow and standing out from the pack while appealing to the fan-boys that have no clue what really is quality and what is marketing hype. If you can't sell to the mass of basement-dwellers who play COD et. al. the chance of separating (and making money without your ideas getting stolen) is slim to nil. There will be a multitude of desperate companies at SHOT this year trying to fend of the creditors for one more year.

With Freedom Group, Smith and another few just a bit behind them having bought up ideas and whole companies in the past few years, a little risk for the sell-off paycheck is a big motivation for some of these types of projects. There are three mid-level, and a score of smaller firearms manufacturers that are right on the brink of going under and the conglomerates are controlling more and more of the market-share.

All that just to say, the industry is looking for fresh and new and how can they get in on the next big thing. IMHO, the next big thing in the firearm industry will not be "firearm" based...that is just where the industry has been focused, and there has not been a real paradigm shift in quite some time.

Even if you look at significant firearms developments, the G17, the M700, the VersaMax...all are just repackaging of a prior design that was not well marketed. The 300BO was just good marketing, but was not even close to new, just well-hyped. So it still can be done with just a little sex-appeal to the fan-boys and renaming a design that did not quite get off the bench. AAC is now owned by Freedom, and the resultant paycheck largely due to the marketing success of the 300BO, was millions. So sure, worth a risk. :)

[Justin]

Agree that this is a sign of the industry trying to diversify. The hardcore shooters already have a couple of AR15s in whatever configuration they want, and most of the newbies are looking for something cool/unique first and practical second.

The need for these companies to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers is probably the reason why we're seeing a sudden surge in AR10s, AR pistols, and to a lesser extent, AR-based pistol caliber carbines.

[Justin]

In the meantime, if you want to build a custom gun, now's the time, as companies will try to undercut one another to keep sales up, our begin to liquidate inventory once they go under.