View Full Version : Does stolen valor anger you as much as it does me?
Well now this guy has just gone full fledged douchebag!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uD59w91Ljg
This tub of subhuman waste doesn't even deserve to stand within 3 feet of anyone who actually put on the uniform for real.
This piece of slime is actually defending himself. (note, the video is 2 years old, yet the mall video is pretty recent).
http://video.breitbart.com/Valor-Thief-Catch-me-if-you-can-28225810
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhNaCaBO6vs
He's actually daring veterans to come after him. Well just one problem... If he is actually using a military benefit (or claim) that he didn't actually earn to gain a tangible benefit therefrom, he is actually in violation of the Stolen Valor Act of 2013. This guy deserves whatever is coming to him... Most satisfying would be a lengthy prison sentence, I'm sure he wouldn't last very long with his attitude. My question is, does anyone think impersonating a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine should carry a more harsh penalty? Such as making it the same as impersonating a police officer or fire fighter? Because I sure do. [Mad]
wctriumph
12-05-2014, 18:51
What bothers me more is the AG and CIC are stealing valor from this nation's law enforcement community.
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My question is, does anyone think impersonating a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine should carry a more harsh penalty? Such as making it the same as impersonating a police officer or fire fighter? Because I sure do.
I know I am probably not going to make any friends here. But since you asked, and since I'm drinking.. Here goes.
No. Impersonating a soldier (or cop, or fire fighter, or prisoner, or political figure) doesn't spin me up much. Why? Its a personal choice on what you wear, its an expression of who you are, its an expression of your beliefs, its an expression of what you care about -- in the end people need to be able to have freedom of expression. Even if that upsets other people. If you want to dress up in a Confederate flag, go for it. You want to wear the American flag as a cape while you dress up like a 3 star general - fucking go for it. If anyone gets upset by that its their fucking problem. Freedom of expression means you are free to have beliefs and opinions that are different than others, even if those beliefs and opinions make other people angry/upset/sad. Otherwise, if you restrict what people can express then you are censoring anything that you don't like; which makes you no better than a fucking liberal.
Now - all that said. If a person dresses up in a military, police, firefighter, emt, etc. uniform for the express purpose of receiving special benefits (e.g. discounts, favors, etc); or if those people represent themselves verbally or in writing as being something they are not - then those people should be held liable for fraud and punished as such. If we wanted to make the punishment a little more severe due to the nature of the training and capabilities that we expect from people in uniform, then I can get behind that. But ultimately it is still fraud and needs to be treated as such -- nothing extra special just because its a uniform.
That is a very sad human being. I hope he seeks help. I hope he is not completely lonely.
I have no problem with those calling out posers. I have no interest in using tax payer funds to prosecute and incarcerate people who commit this type of fraud, as long as they are not using the fraud to obtain money or something else of value by means of their fraud. This type of false existence can be it's own type of punishment.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Some occupations just encourage wannabees and buffs.
P.S. I *love* watching posers get called out (in any profession). So don't take what I said above as defending or encouraging these idiots.
Zundfolge
12-05-2014, 19:14
My question is, does anyone think impersonating a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine should carry a more harsh penalty? Such as making it the same as impersonating a police officer or fire fighter? Because I sure do. [Mad]
Simply impersonating a service member or veteran should carry no penalty at all as long as you're not doing so to defraud anyone or get benefits to which you're not entitled or to otherwise engage in other illegal activity (like accessing a military base when you shouldn't).
One has the right in America to be a douche. That doesn't mean I wouldn't gladly ridicule and taunt or even punch such a douche in the mouth if I met one.
It's been handled by the 75th Ranger Regiment community. He wants to claim that he's out shopping with CSM Folino?!? That caught a lot of attention. He has already been fired from his job, gets constant media attention at his home, and the state of PA is being pressured by the Senator to investigate the entire incident, including where he bought the fake awards (wearing the CIB without authorization is a crime in PA) as well as a federal investigation for wearing a patch and falsely representing himself as part of a special operations unit.
Yep. They have the right to dress however they want as a form of freedom of speech (dress is a kind of speech... too lazy to dig up the court prescience, but it has been upheld)... and similarly, those that figure out these idiots of imitation are douches have the very same freedom of speech to call them out, embarrass them, post them on the internet for all to witness the supreme fail of that individuals life choices.
jerrymrc
12-05-2014, 19:44
That is a very sad human being. I hope he seeks help. I hope he is not completely lonely.
I have no problem with those calling out posers. I have no interest in using tax payer funds to prosecute and incarcerate people who commit this type of fraud, as long as they are not using the fraud to obtain money or something else of value by means of their fraud. This type of false existence can be it's own type of punishment.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Some occupations just encourage wannabees and buffs.
This. ^^^^^ I have never had any desire to wear the uniform after I got out. My class A sits in a bag hanging up waiting for me to die. That will be the only time it sees me. ....
I also kinda understand why some do this. So many have a fascination with something and for one reason or another play it out and wind up like this guy. The thing is if he did not have all the BS he might never have been called out on it. That is the only thing that bothers me is why do they always have to wear the HS/LD crap.
kidicarus13
12-05-2014, 19:50
Stolen valor? Mehhhh, not one of America's Top 50 problems.
BushMasterBoy
12-05-2014, 19:51
I'm more afraid of the so called "doctors" at the VA...
Great-Kazoo
12-05-2014, 19:51
ACTUALLY, I'M offended how many times the OP used ACTUALLY w/out ACTUALLY using enough F bombs to make his outrage anything more than a 3.5/10 Which is Actually being generous for a point system. [Beer]
I'd only be pissed if the person in question, as mentioned, is using said gear to get perks & bene's. I have a reduced copy of my 214 for places that offer .mil, past & present discounts / reduced prices.
ACTUALLY, I'M offended how many times the OP used ACTUALLY w/out ACTUALLY using enough F bombs to make his outrage anything more than a 3.5/10 Which is Actually being generous for a point system. [Beer]
I'd only be pissed if the person in question, as mentioned, is using said gear to get perks & bene's. I have a reduced copy of my 214 for places that offer .mil, past & present discounts / reduced prices.
Reduced copy for reduced prices...sounds about right [LOL]
Great-Kazoo
12-05-2014, 20:05
Reduced copy for reduced prices...sounds about right [LOL]
1/2 the bargains @ twice the price.
Aloha_Shooter
12-05-2014, 20:33
Guy is a slimebag but he provides a useful lesson on how to track people down. Think about what this video did if you think you're anonymous on Facebook or YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1amsD_osr60
Oh man, you are publicizing all of my super secret squirrel investigative techniques [LOL]
On one hand, I personally detest these pathetic buttweasels that want to be a part of a brotherhood; that seek the attention and the perceived admiration, undeserved appreciation by complete strangers, and any little perks such as free coffee or people paying for their meal. I would pity them, but most of them are a step above inept losers that put on the uniform and strive to show they belong, only to have made a n00b error and are known around town for their mistake- many of these parasites are clever enough to study up and memorize dates, places and the dress code so they withstand basic civilian inquiry. People such as the moron who thought he was too clever by far for anyone else deserve punishment in kind: He sought adulation, strove to claim an undeserved reputation, and claimed fellowship with a tribe that he could not join. He received derision, notoriety, and complete and utter rejection. I think by granting any stronger a punishment for stolen valor, it would risk a bit of fame that would continue to feed these woodticks and leeches, just by acknowledging they have SOME sort of 'official association' with the military, even though it is negative.
Unmitigated mockery? Absolutely. Disgust? Eye-rolling lip-sneering jeering? Bring it in heaps and heaps. Jail time or fines would simply provide a sense of twisted validation.
buttweasels
claimed fellowship with a tribe that he could not join.
The first word brought Lemiwinks to mind
http://youtu.be/OM9lpP51LPw
The second phrase made me think of Ward Churchill.
Well done!
BushMasterBoy
12-05-2014, 21:07
Ok, now he is pissing me off!
osok-308
12-05-2014, 22:00
This definitely pisses me off.
Daniel_187
12-05-2014, 22:15
I have nothing but respect for people who have served, I loath people who fake it though. My grandfathers and dad served and did what needed to be done, These asshats just hit up the inter-web and bought ribbons and wanted attention. ARRRHGR
Sounds like someone is off their meds.
Seen a few of these "stolen valor" vids. The people look like they are not firing on all cylinders. Is this the best way to find attention (good/bad)? Sad really.
It only bothers me slightly more than when someone who actually is in the military wears their uniform when not on duty.
Checkmate! [LOL]
Still laughing from watching this video.
Guy is a slimebag but he provides a useful lesson on how to track people down. Think about what this video did if you think you're anonymous on Facebook or YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1amsD_osr60
It only bothers me slightly more than when someone who actually is in the military wears their uniform when not on duty.
Amen!!!!!!
Mick-Boy
12-06-2014, 05:54
I can't bring myself to care about grown men who play dress up.
I understand the point some of you are making, however, I take issue with this guy more because he does use his fraud to get benefits to which he is not entitled. In the car video he states he visits 3 restaurants every veteran's and memorial day. That's where I draw the line.
Great-Kazoo
12-06-2014, 08:41
I understand the point some of you are making, however, I take issue with this guy more because he does use his fraud to get benefits to which he is not entitled. In the car video he states he visits 3 restaurants every veteran's and memorial day. That's where I draw the line.
IF he followed a .mil lifestyle and did PT every day perhaps he'd look differently too.
osok-308
12-06-2014, 09:04
I understand the point some of you are making, however, I take issue with this guy more because he does use his fraud to get benefits to which he is not entitled. In the car video he states he visits 3 restaurants every veteran's and memorial day. That's where I draw the line.
Pretty much he just needs a good, old fashioned ass whipping.
I understand the point some of you are making, however, I take issue with this guy more because he does use his fraud to get benefits to which he is not entitled. In the car video he states he visits 3 restaurants every veteran's and memorial day. That's where I draw the line.
Entitlements and gifts are different things. He is a d-bag because he is pretending to be someone he's not to get free food as a gesture of thanks to our troops. If he were using it to recieve a GI Bill or Heathcare he would be using entitlements that were guaranteed to him. There's a ton of stuff to get upset about, don't let this idiot ruin your day.
BlasterBob
12-06-2014, 11:59
It only bothers me slightly more than when someone who actually is in the military wears their uniform when not on duty.
Back in 1955, if we wanted to get a military discount on the civilian airlines, they (PanAm to be specific) required us to be in uniform to get a fairly generous military discounted air fare.
The dud/dude, who is the subject of this thread, may have been a real military buff as a kid and went kinda psycho when he was actually rejected upon his enlisting effort. At any rate, this is a damn sad situation and I wonder if these are the kinds of folks that go off the deep end and wind up making some business, theatre or school into a shooting gallery.
Aloha_Shooter
12-06-2014, 13:58
Heading to pick some stuff up from Bert but just saw Fox's commercial break teaser showing he may be facing federal charges ...
kidicarus13
12-06-2014, 14:39
Heading to pick some stuff up from Bert but just saw Fox's commercial break teaser showing he may be facing federal charges ...
http://controversialtimes.com/military/stolen-valor-ranger-facing-federal-charges-video/
Entitlements and gifts are different things. He is a d-bag because he is pretending to be someone he's not to get free food as a gesture of thanks to our troops. If he were using it to recieve a GI Bill or Heathcare he would be using entitlements that were guaranteed to him. There's a ton of stuff to get upset about, don't let this idiot ruin your day.
Oh I don't let it ruin my day... It's just guys like these that piss me off for a minute or two when I see them. I will carry on as usual, but if I ever see this guy in public I'll certainly have some not-so-friendly words to say to him.
Rucker61
12-06-2014, 16:37
If these scumbags were smart they wouldn't pick Rangers or SF, they'd pick some unit like 1st COSCOM or a signal brigade. Nobody knows anything about support units.
This is why we have a Halloween. :)
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/128177-Fake-Army-Ranger-gets-called-out-On-video?p=1562363&viewfull=1#post1562363
As I said before to POSERS, military uniforms "might" get you a date from a GameStop. Maybe some chicks might see you from waiting in line to buy a call of duty or splintercell rainbow six.
However, you might get lucky and find a hot chick at a University Library from desperate undergrad seniors. [LOL]
Hot university undergrad senior digs.....
http://i58.tinypic.com/fko6bm.jpg
Gamestop chicks digs.....
http://i62.tinypic.com/1rznew.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/2a0kio2.jpg
As the proud dad of an Army E6 Flight Medic (he spent 9 years as a Combat Medic) who lost friends during his deployments this shit really infuriates me. I know my son doesn't tolerate it and has outed a guy that was a security guard at the hospital where my son worked part-time in the ER-yeah claimed to be former SF.
Everyone in the military served to guarantee that this guy has the right to say or act this way. I would be more upset if there was a law that limits anyone's 1st Amendment rights.
Bailey Guns
12-06-2014, 19:59
I'm gonna say "ditto" to what TheGrey said.
Buttweasels.... [ROFL1]
Gamestop chicks digs.....
http://i62.tinypic.com/1rznew.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/2a0kio2.jpg
That's Major Kamaljeet Singh Kalsi, Bronze Star Medal Recipient. He's an American Sikh.
In 1981, the United States military banned new Sikh soldiers from maintaining their religiously-mandated turbans and unshorn hair. Previously, turbaned Sikhs had been serving in the United States military since World War I. In 2009 and 2010, the United States Army agreed to individual exceptions for three Sikh soldiers so that they could maintain their religious articles of faith while serving their country - Major Kamaljeet Singh Kalsi, Captain Tejdeep Singh Rattan, and Specialist Simran Preet LambaMajor Kalsi emphasized that Sikh practices do not prevent soldiers from performing with excellence. “By making this call to end the presumptive ban on Sikh military service, let me make clear that I would never advocate for anything that would put my fellow soldiers in harm’s way,” said Major Kalsi.“If Sikhs could not wear helmets or gas masks when required, I would never call on my military to accommodate Sikh American soldiers.“But that is simply not the case. Sikh soldiers have served on special forces teams. They have jumped out of airplanes as paratroopers, and have deployed in far forward combat operations. We can serve our country and be Sikh at the same time.”The Sikh Coalition, the nation’s leading Sikh civil rights organization, has spearheaded the fight to end the presumptive ban on the Sikh military service in the US since 2009.“If our military needs “proof of concept” that Sikhs can serve with excellence, it needs to look no further than Major Kalsi, Captain Rattan, and Specialist Lamba,” said Amardeep Singh, Program Director of the Sikh Coalition.Major Kalsi received the Bronze Star Medal for his service in Afghanistan. In support of the award, an official recommendation from Major Kalsi’s superiors cites his resuscitation back to life of two patients who were clinically dead on arrival; his “expert” emergency care of over 750 soldiers and civilians; and his general “commitment and leadership above and beyond that of his general duties”.
http://www.gg2.net/news/usa-news/Decorated+soldier+for+ending+ban+of+Sikh+military+ service+/5168
^^^ tough guys with respected lineage and honor.
Aloha_Shooter
12-07-2014, 09:33
Yep, Sikhs are not only badasses in combat, their religion is pretty no-shit about helping those who need aid. I didn't know who MAJ (then-CPT) Kalsi was but I recognized the Sikh turban and looked to me like his uniform was spot-on. I would be more than happy to have a Sikh covering my 6.
Double00
12-07-2014, 10:17
My dad served in Vietnam. He still says to this day ( he is 70yrs old) "I served my country so that Jane Fonda could me a bitch". Funny thing is he is a raging liberal. This guy is just sad and life has a way of serving some kind of justice for his ilk!
kidicarus13
12-26-2014, 21:52
http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/26/video-man-accused-stolen-valor-fresno-airport-after-getting-starbucks-discount
I know sometimes when I run out of clean clothes, I wear my wife's wedding dress. Also, sometimes when I can't afford a decent meal, I show up to a restaurant in her wedding dress with my make-up all runny like I just got left at the alter. Works every time.
TheBelly
12-26-2014, 21:57
I know sometimes when I run out of clean clothes, I wear my wife's wedding dress. Also, sometimes when I can't afford a decent meal, I show up to a restaurant in her wedding dress with my make-up all runny like I just got left at the alter. Works every time.
Seeing as you've worn make-up to send me a SWAK note, this doesn't surprise me.... sorry for PWTing in this thread, but it's Irving's fault!
jerrymrc
12-26-2014, 22:07
I know sometimes when I run out of clean clothes, I wear my wife's wedding dress. Also, sometimes when I can't afford a decent meal, I show up to a restaurant in her wedding dress with my make-up all runny like I just got left at the alter. Works every time.
Why is it that the image of you in your wife's dress is just not clicking right now...... We have gone from "stolen Valor" to "stolen Wedding" in one post.[Flower] Please show this to your better half so we can see the pics of what you look like after she takes the belt to you. [LOL][Beer]
Seeing as you've worn make-up to send me a SWAK note, this doesn't surprise me.... sorry for PWTing in this thread, but it's Irving's fault!
You know, I already forgot that I did that, and I can see now that it left the kind of impression that I'll never be able to live down.
My wife is so short her wedding dress would look like mini-skirt on me.
TheBelly
12-26-2014, 22:19
You know, I already forgot that I did that, and I can see now that it left the kind of impression that I'll never be able to live down.
My wife is so short her wedding dress would look like mini-skirt on me.
here comes Irving in his wee mini-kilt!!
mcantar18c
12-28-2014, 15:56
The place I worked for immediately after I got out had a guy named Alex Triska who was so full of shit it made my head hurt. Dude is national guard, claims to have deployed once to Afghanistan (which I believe). He's a fucking supply guy, I forget what the MOS is, and claimed to have ran around with an ODA who "lost their gunner" and he was "selected by them to fill the position." He also claimed to have gotten a knife kill while clearing a building there.
I held it together until the last day I worked there and was going to call him out on everything but didn't see him that day, so I settled for explaining to everybody why nothing he said was remotely close to being true.
TheBelly
12-28-2014, 19:47
92Y - Supply Guy......
The place I worked for immediately after I got out had a guy named Alex Triska who was so full of shit it made my head hurt. Dude is national guard, claims to have deployed once to Afghanistan (which I believe). He's a fucking supply guy, I forget what the MOS is, and claimed to have ran around with an ODA who "lost their gunner" and he was "selected by them to fill the position." He also claimed to have gotten a knife kill while clearing a building there.
I held it together until the last day I worked there and was going to call him out on everything but didn't see him that day, so I settled for explaining to everybody why nothing he said was remotely close to being true.
Sounds legit.
ThunderSquirrel
12-29-2014, 15:53
He also claimed to have gotten a knife kill while clearing a building there.
Don't you get a new camo for unlocking that achievement?
Don't you get a new camo for unlocking that achievement?
Lmao
BushMasterBoy
12-29-2014, 17:11
He also claimed to have gotten a knife kill while clearing a building there.
You should have told him to get a tattoo for that...
The place I worked for immediately after I got out had a guy named Alex Triska who was so full of shit it made my head hurt. Dude is national guard, claims to have deployed once to Afghanistan (which I believe). He's a fucking supply guy, I forget what the MOS is, and claimed to have ran around with an ODA who "lost their gunner" and he was "selected by them to fill the position." He also claimed to have gotten a knife kill while clearing a building there.
I held it together until the last day I worked there and was going to call him out on everything but didn't see him that day, so I settled for explaining to everybody why nothing he said was remotely close to being true.
I briefly worked security and the other guards told me of some douche who acted just like that, but worse. He would brag about having killed kids in Iraq and try and get people to move over on the highway by riding their ass and running the light bar (all yellow) in the security vehicle. They said he also was a huge fan of WWE and would check the website every night, first thing on his shift. I didn't keep that job long enough to meet him.
I never realized how much people did this until about 14 years ago. I was at a search and rescue training and one of the other guys says something about this reminding him of "being in the field". Cool, another veteran. I asked what branch... he says Air Force Reserve... but he was a "Delta Force Operator" back in the day; was originally going to be a "Green Beret" but they sent him to Delta.. or something odd to that effect. He started telling (kind of weird) stories and a few people spoke up and said, yeah he likes talking about his Delta Force time.
He didn't look the part but I figured OK. Didn't even think it might be BS.. so I asked when... and I say oh, wow I did an interview with the SF recruiter about that time (I did not sign up for that) and like half a dozen guys I knew from my unit had tried Delta or SF selection. Started asking him about whether he did SFAS or Delta selection, since I didn't understand that part of his story... and what did he think of the differences... did he ever meet this one Sgt I knew who made it into Delta? Hey, my old boss would have been in the Q course the time he said he was at Bragg, and stayed there for several years, did he ever hear of him? He got completely flustered, starts to say something about he didn't know what I was talking about, then choked up and said it was all classified. I got confused, then "oh, you're lying" just slipped out quietly. He turned all red and never brought it up again.
I didn't really get the point of his making all that up.
TheBelly
12-29-2014, 21:08
The place I worked for immediately after I got out had a guy named Alex Triska who was so full of shit it made my head hurt. Dude is national guard, claims to have deployed once to Afghanistan (which I believe). He's a fucking supply guy, I forget what the MOS is, and claimed to have ran around with an ODA who "lost their gunner" and he was "selected by them to fill the position." He also claimed to have gotten a knife kill while clearing a building there.
I held it together until the last day I worked there and was going to call him out on everything but didn't see him that day, so I settled for explaining to everybody why nothing he said was remotely close to being true.
i got a knife kill in Iraq.....that MRE never saw it coming!!!!
jerrymrc
12-29-2014, 21:18
i got a knife kill in Iraq.....that MRE never saw it coming!!!!
Damn "Peelable seal" kicked your ass too I see. [LOL][Beer][Flower]
I tried to kill a squirrel with a pointed stick once, and couldn't. True story.
Why do they pretend to be in a military?
Is it a military discount? or Chicks they can pick up?
Why do they pretend to be in a military?
Is it a military discount? or Chicks they can pick up?
And not just pretending to be mil, but then they have to wear a Ranger tab, SEAL Trident, and a Flying Cross. I don't get it either... Other than maybe these people have no dignity/self-respect and thus nothing to lose?
I tried to kill a squirrel with a pointed stick once, and couldn't. True story.
I once killed a whole bottle of wine with nothing but a corkscrew! True story...
Mick-Boy
12-30-2014, 13:31
Why do they pretend to be in a military?
Is it a military discount? or Chicks they can pick up?
They're unhappy with where they are (or have been) in life. Playing make believe is easier than making real changes.
They're unhappy with where they are (or have been) in life. Playing make believe is easier than making real changes.
In most cases, that is the most likely answer.
kidicarus13
12-30-2014, 14:04
They're unhappy with where they are (or have been) in life. Playing make believe is easier than making real changes.
Yep. It's a quick way to make themselves feel wanted/important and they know they can fool 99%+ of everyone they come in contact with.
Around July this year, there was a guy dressed all white uniform walking towards Starbucks in Parker (near I225ish). He was holding (not carrying) his jansport backpack. The guy looked around late 30 or early 40s, and was wearing Navy Captain insignia. I seriously haven't yet seen Col or Navy Capt at that age, and I was watching him very carefully. One old man who was wearing Navy retired hat came upto him and start talking. LOL
I was like 'uh oh.... youtube time'
Making a long story short, I guess the guy was real. 3 of the tan uniform Navy guys who look older than the Navy Capt came in and said "capt" to him.
Glad that retired Navy guy didn't try to confront him. It would've been awkward.
KestrelBike
12-30-2014, 21:41
Around July this year, there was a guy dressed all white uniform walking towards Starbucks in Parker (near I225ish). He was holding (not carrying) his jansport backpack. The guy looked around late 30 or early 40s, and was wearing Navy Captain insignia. I seriously haven't yet seen Col or Navy Capt at that age, and I was watching him very carefully. One old man who was wearing Navy retired hat came upto him and start talking. LOL
I was like 'uh oh.... youtube time'
Making a long story short, I guess the guy was real. 3 of the tan uniform Navy guys who look older than the Navy Capt came in and said "capt" to him.
Glad that retired Navy guy didn't try to confront him. It would've been awkward.
Maybe nobody would want to hassle stealing valor with whites?
Maybe nobody would want to hassle stealing valor with whites?
I don't know. White or not. Guys I know from Navy and [mainly from] Airforce are getting recruited from LMT, NOC, RTN, and other high paying consultant position.
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