Always remember...double tap

[Bitter Clinger]

http://activeselfprotection.com/blog/armed-robbery-goes-right-terribly-wrong/

I can not get the vid to imbibed sorry...

[theGinsue]

In multiple shot self-defense situations the after-action liberal response is often "Why did you have to shoot him more than once?" Why? Because one shot does not always stop the threat.

We often hear how we need to only use as much force as is necessary to stop a threat. Perhaps that's gotten into our heads enough to cause us to use less than is enough.

In an altercation where lethal force is called for, the best scenario (from a liberal perspective) is that everyone lives. The best perspective from the conservative perspective is that everyone but the bad guy(s) get to go home safely. The worst scenario is that no one goes home. If you want to be the one who goes home you must ensure the threat(s) you face is/are neutralized before lowering your guard.

When I took the motorcycle rider course ~30 years ago, they taught something that is easily modified to work in responding to these situations: (Note: With proper training & practice, these steps can be worked through in fractions of a second).

Scan: Be aware of your surroundings.
Identify: Identify risks/threats to your safety.
Plan: When you've identified potential risks/threats, work through the possible responses to handle those risks/threats.
Decide: Decide which of the plans you've considered will provide you with the best possible outcome. Understand that even the best plans need to be fluid as circumstances change.
Execute: When the time is right, execute your plan without hesitation and continue on until it is complete and/or all threats are neutralized.

[Double00]

In multiple shot self-defense situations the after-action liberal response is often "Why did you have to shoot him more than once?" Why? Because one shot does not always stop the threat.

We often hear how we need to only use as much force as is necessary to stop a threat. Perhaps that's gotten into our heads enough to cause us to use less than is enough.

In an altercation where lethal force is called for, the best scenario (from a liberal perspective) is that everyone lives. The best perspective from the conservative perspective is that everyone but the bad guy(s) get to go home safely. The worst scenario is that no one goes home. If you want to be the one who goes home you must ensure the threat(s) you face is/are neutralized before lowering your guard.

When I took the motorcycle rider course ~30 years ago, they taught something that is easily modified to work in responding to these situations: (Note: With proper training & practice, these steps can be worked through in fractions of a second).

Scan: Be aware of your surroundings.
Identify: Identify risks/threats to your safety.
Plan: When you've identified potential risks/threats, work through the possible responses to handle those risks/threats.
Decide: Decide which of the plans you've considered will provide you with the best possible outcome. Understand that even the best plans need to be fluid as circumstances change.
Execute: When the time is right, execute your plan without hesitation and continue on until it is complete and/or all threats are neutralized.

Great advice!

[wyome]

you forgot Scan . Scanning your surroundings goes a long way in maybe not even being involved in a shooting situation. Also helps to build situational awareness of the area for IDing of cover, or other threats.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Good link and points.

[Irving]

Interesting video. If you engage someone point blank in the chest, how many people would expect such a quick recovery, or any recovery at all? I suppose that's part of the reason many sports call for at least two hit on each target.

[cstone]

He was pocket carrying. I wonder how many rounds the pistol held. This is one more thing to consider when you are allocating rounds per target.

Obviously, he had enough for a second shot as he took it as the guy was running away.

I didn't see the second bad guy shooting, so I'm not clear on why he became a target for the off-duty cop. I'm not questioning whether it was a good shoot or bad shoot, just curious as to what else was going on that isn't obvious in the video.

[Bailey Guns]

I was unclear whether it was the fact he was carrying his gun in a pocket or if he was delaying the draw until he felt the bad guy was sufficiently distracted. I also don't necessarily agree with the "Rule #2: Double Tap". I think that's fine for an accomplished shooter who's practiced doing that and able to control the gun well enough to do it. As for average Joe who carries it's my opinion they're better off making aimed shots...just from my experience that's the case, anyway. I suppose when it's contact distance it's probably OK to just start pulling the trigger when your gun is in their chest.

He still made a helluva shot on the 1st bad guy while he was unassing the area. I'm assuming he hit him and he didn't collapse from the initial shot.

On the other hand, the bad guy had the presence of mind to stay in the fight. It's something we always stress in classes that the bad guy isn't necessarily outta the fight just because he falls down.

Very interesting video, that's for sure.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Interesting video. If you engage someone point blank in the chest, how many people would expect such a quick recovery, or any recovery at all? I suppose that's part of the reason many sports call for at least two hit on each target.

I must admit that I was surprised this guy came back.

[Zundfolge]

Scan: Be aware of your surroundings.Identify: Identify risks/threats to your safety.
Plan: When you've identified potential risks/threats, work through the possible responses to handle those risks/threats.
Decide: Decide which of the plans you've considered will provide you with the best possible outcome. Understand that even the best plans need to be fluid as circumstances change.
Execute: When the time is right, execute your plan without hesitation and continue on until it is complete and/or all threats are neutralized.

Fighter pilots (and presumably other professional fighting men) learn this as an OODA loop (http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/09/15/ooda-loop/).

Observe ... Orient ... Decide ... Act

http://www.instituteforsportcoaching.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ooda-loop.png

It always seems like just about the time I get comfortable with the idea of packing my wheel gun I come across a story like this. [facepalm]

[HoneyBadger]

I really appreciate double stack mags. 15 rds leaves plenty for double taps. ;)

[theGinsue]

you forgot Scan . Scanning your surroundings goes a long way in maybe not even being involved in a shooting situation. Also helps to build situational awareness of the area for IDing of cover, or other threats.
Yeah, I knew I was missing something but had a brain fart. I've corrected it.

Thanks for keeping me honest!

[roberth]

Good information in here, that video is a wakeup.

[Guylee]

*controlled pair

[Jer]

As incredible of a shot as that last one was it makes me wonder if the BG didn't fall at that point from the first shot.

Also, if you're in a position to barrel stuff the guy and are on a limited round count budget I'd go ahead and take this rare opportunity to go for a head shot. As close as he was if he was going to take only one quick shot might was well make it between the eyes.

Lots of people loves them some wheel guns for CCW but this video is why I prefer semi automatic handguns. Easier to conceal in the right place and probably more importantly more rounds to go around when your BG ends up being BG's which is often the case.

[crays]

Probably chose to forgo the head shot, due to BG wearing a full face helmet.

[Lex_Luthor]

Dang, scary situation.