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GOP Cuts Spending Deal: Yes on Obama's Amnesty (Thru At Least Feb. 27); No on Light Bulb Reg and ObamaCare appears to be fully funded too. WTH???
December 9, 2014 - 11:51 PM
(CNSNews.com) - The Republican leadership in the House of Representatives has cut a deal with Senate Democrats on a government funding bill that will permit funding for the implementation of President Obama's unilateral amnesty of as many as five million illegal aliens through at least Feb. 27, 2015.
By contrast, the bill also uses Congress's power of the purse to prohibit the administration from moving forward with regulations that would effectively outlaw incandescent light bulbs.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/gop-cuts-spending-deal-yes-obamas-amnesty-thru-least-feb-27-no-light
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/12/09/whats-in-the-spending-bill-we-skim-it-so-you-dont-have-to/
buffalobo
12-10-2014, 12:57
Imagine that.
sellersm
12-10-2014, 13:13
Parties? They're just two wings of the same dirty bird...
The House Republicans have two options. They can let the government shut down, which historically has hurt them with voters; or they can broker a deal until they have both chambers in Congress with a little more leverage. The vast majority of voters want both sides to work together so it looks like they are choosing the second option, which is all they can really do right now. Why do you think Obama did the immigration thing before the next congress is seated?
The House Republicans have two options. They can let the government shut down, which historically has hurt them with voters; or they can broker a deal until they have both chambers in Congress with a little more leverage. The vast majority of voters want both sides to work together so it looks like they are choosing the second option, which is all they can really do right now. Why do you think Obama did the immigration thing before the next congress is seated?
Please explain.
As I recall, the Govt. "shutdown" in 2013, and the R's swept up the elections in 2014.
Only Liberals want "both sides to work together."
Please explain.
As I recall, the Govt. "shutdown" in 2013, and the R's swept up the elections in 2014.
Only Liberals want "both sides to work together."
I was heavily involved in politics back during the '95 shut down (http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2013/09/25-government-shutdown-clinton-obama-gop-kamarck) and I remember all too well the Republican's getting absolutely hammered by the public. 2013 was a little different and just about everybody in Congress as well as Barry himself was resented for what happened. The 2014 election was a little different. Primarily, people finally experienced the ObamaCare BS. Unfortunately ObamaCare didn't go live prior to his re-election. If it did, he would have lost hence the implementation date set post 2012. Anyhow, I am sure Republicans tread lightly from past experience, and they are right to do so. When Congress changes over, the PR war will begin. I am not confident the Republicans will win. Moderates do not appreciate the partisan bickering nor do they appreciate government shut downs; it is not only "liberals" that want both sides to work together. The majority rules mentality is a major cause of what got us into this mess in the first place, because it is a complete break from our constitutional republic as it was intended.
Don't worry, the new spending bill also allows much higher contribution limits to national parties. So in essence in a two year period you and your wife will be able to donate about 1.3 million to the RNP. Because as we all know, more money in politics is always the right answer.
[Sarcasm2]
The Republicans can't compete with the Santa Claus party unless they become another Santa Claus party.
If they don't, the dems win and we loose.
If they do, the 'pubs have a chance and we lose.
Anyone see where this is going?
O2
The Republicans can't compete with the Santa Claus party unless they become another Santa Claus party.
If they don't, the dems win and we loose.
If they do, the 'pubs have a chance and we lose.
Anyone see where this is going?
Yeah, in the same direction it has been going for the last 100 years. They're just picking up speed.
If you fill in the blanks this makes sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHJ-CbOGQA
Bailey Guns
12-11-2014, 10:21
The republicans don't have much say at this point. If you read what this bill pays for, doesn't pay for and how much existing program budgets were increased or decreased you'll see this isn't a total loss for republicans. There's a lot more to it than just the amnesty thing. For example, the IRS budget was cut by over $300 million. I'm not saying it's good...just saying it's about as good as it's gonna get at this point in time.
Aloha_Shooter
12-11-2014, 10:55
Please explain.
As I recall, the Govt. "shutdown" in 2013, and the R's swept up the elections in 2014.
Only Liberals want "both sides to work together."
Partially right. The Dems and mainstream media blamed the shutdown on Republicans and much of the public bought it despite all the evidence the shutdown as engineered by Obama as much as the 1995 shutdown was used by Clinton for political advantage. The Dems used the shutdown pain to political advantage. The Republicans were saved in 2014 by Obama's obvious misuse of the IRS, continuing unpopularity of Obamacare, and several other missteps but make no mistake -- the Democrats salivate at the opportunity to inflict pain on the public whenever the Republicans try to use the power of the purse to curb Obama. Inflicting pain and blaming that on the GOP is one of the few tools they have and they use it a lot.
Personally, I would have preferred the GOP pass a CRA that lasted through February and then fight the battle over the whole budget but this course is better than letting the Dems threaten a government shutdown over the holidays. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were probably wetting their pants hoping they could shutdown airports and government checks at the exact time people were traveling and looking for their earned benefits then blame the GOP for it all.
Bailey Guns
12-11-2014, 13:43
Oh...and BTW: The liberals in the senate are in an uproar over the house bill. This isn't a done deal by a long shot. Judging by the outrage from people like Elizabeth "I'm a Native American" Warren, I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the "I hate the GOP" bandwagon.
Bailey Guns
12-11-2014, 14:28
This bill is in real trouble. Boehner is scrambling to find the votes to pass it because conservative GOP members don't like it. Dems don't like it, either, because of cuts and the higher limits on campaign contributions. Either way it'll never pass the senate in it's current form. Don't be surprised if we find ourselves on the verge of another "shutdown" with democrats and their lackeys in the media blaming republicans for everything.
I wish the government would shut down more often.. Maybe something like 3 weeks off 1 on?
House passed it, but just barely.
Bailey Guns
12-12-2014, 07:01
House passed it, but just barely.
Yeah...no one was happy about it, either:
In the end, 67 Republicans defected, but 57 Democrats voted for it.
Looks like Lamborn voted against the bill...I'm good with that.
sellersm
12-18-2014, 13:04
Chuck Baldwin's view on what's going on: http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/2270/Are-You-Mad-Yet.aspx
Maybe the Tea Party should be it's own party instead of being associated with the (R).
Aloha_Shooter
12-18-2014, 14:00
Maybe the Tea Party should be it's own party instead of being associated with the (R).
All that does is divide the non-Democrat vote. Just keep working to take over the Republican Party. It's slower than separating but more effective.
All that does is divide the non-Democrat vote. Just keep working to take over the Republican Party. It's slower than separating but more effective.
Sadly I agree, I'd love to see the Tea Party be a separate entity but there are too many people who don't/won't pay attention and will vote (R) no matter what.
Great-Kazoo
12-18-2014, 16:56
Sadly I agree, I'd love to see the Tea Party be a separate entity but there are too many people who don't/won't pay attention and will vote Libertarian no matter what.
FIFY. Cause there's the die hard VOTE MY CONSCIOUS we know who they are ;)
FIFY. Cause there's the die hard VOTE MY CONSCIOUS we know who they are ;)
Oh you're bad. :)
These are the results from the last Presidential election. Very disappointing for anyone not voting for (D) or (R), collectively they didn't even get 2% of the vote. :(
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php
Now is the GOP doing what I want...NO...so me and people like me have to work harder in our primaries to get our point across.
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