Wonder why Dr Ben is not so hot on the 2nd?

[Mtn.man]

6. Dr. Carson was a medal-winning marksman in high school and was even offered a full scholarship to West Point.
http://www.mrctv.org/sites/default/files/uploads/Flickr_-_The_U.S._Army_-_United_States_Military_Academy_at_West_Point.jpg
He joined the high school ROTC and racked up medals in drill and riflery. In a year, he moved from private to second lieutenant. He set a new record on the field-grade exam and was sent straight to lieutenant colonel. He then became one of three full-bird colonels in Detroit. He was given the honor of having dinner with General William Westmoreland who was a top U.S. commander in Vietnam. (via (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/340618/five-things-you-didn-t-know-about-dr-carson-daniel-foster/page/0/1))

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/6-facts-about-ben-carsons-life-youve-never-heard-about-media

[KAPA]

wtf

[Gman]

Where are you getting that he's "not so hot on the 2nd"?

[theGinsue]

It's true, he isn't pro-gun. He's got too many "common sense" anti-gun attitudes. Research his firearm related comments.

I think it falls in line with the standard attitude regarding firearms from most physicians.

I like just about everything about Doc Carson, but his anti-gun attitude is a deal breaker for me.

Eta: Comment supporting unproven technology that I DO NOT WANT on my guns.

Carson said he opposes a gun registry but supports smart gun technology:

"It doesn't mean that we can't still use our intellect to see if we can figure out some ways to figure out how to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally ill. It doesn't mean that we can't look at some safety mechanisms things that can be installed, maybe something that is sensitive to your fingerprint, what have you ... What I'm talking about in terms of technology is a smart gun that locks or unlocks with a code, so that your five year-old doesn't wind up killing somebody with it. it would have nothing to do with any kind of national registry."

ETA2:
Live in the city? Like your AR? Under Carson you can't keep it.

“When asked by Glenn Beck if people should be allowed to own semi-automatic weapons, Dr. Benjamin Carson said: “It depends on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I’m afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it.” (Glenn Beck Show, March 1, 2013)


He said, "I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights;

Hmm, that comment doesn't jive with the Jim Zumbo-esque holier-than-thou//"you don't need 'that type of gun' " comment he made as he continued the comment above:

however, I do think we have to be intelligent and address situations where people with AK-47s are mowing people down."

Live in the city? Like your AR? Under Carson you can't keep it.

“When asked by Glenn Beck if people should be allowed to own semi-automatic weapons, Dr. Benjamin Carson said: “It depends on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I’m afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it.” (Glenn Beck Show, March 1, 2013)


No, I'll not be voting for him in any office; nor will I endorse him to anyone else. As far as his beliefs and political positions, he mostly gets it, but not enough to represent me. You either belief in "shall not be infringed", or you do not.

[rondog]

Well! Fuck 'im.

[Irving]

There is a difference between him saying he'd rather not someone have something, than him actively supporting taking it away. Bailey often talks about politicians having personal beliefs, yet recognizing limitations of their office. If Carson came out and said something along the lines of, "I don't personally prefer people in certain areas having certain types of firearms, but I recognize that our Constitution is clear on their right to do so,and I will notbe making anymovement toward changing what has alread been established," would that change your mind at all?

I ask out of curiousity, and don't have a goal to convice anyone ineither direction. Just testing the waters to see how people would feel about such a situation.

[Great-Kazoo]

There is a difference between him saying he'd rather not someone have something, than him actively supporting taking it away. Bailey often talks about politicians having personal beliefs, yet recognizing limitations of their office. If Carson came out and said something along the lines of, "I don't personally prefer people in certain areas having certain types of firearms, but I recognize that our Constitution is clear on their right to do so,and I will notbe making anymovement toward changing what has alread been established," would that change your mind at all?

I ask out of curiousity, and don't have a goal to convice anyone in either direction. Just testing the waters to see how people would feel about such a situation.

You get a school shooting with him in office, he'd sign an AWB. So would Romney if he had won.

[Dave_L]

Drugs and alcohol are also dangerous in densely populated areas.

[Great-Kazoo]

Drugs and alcohol are also dangerous in densely populated areas.

D & A are not emotional motivators, like ASSAULT WEAPONS, AK47's . Unless you're with MADD.

[Big John]

There is a difference between him saying he'd rather not someone have something, than him actively supporting taking it away. Bailey often talks about politicians having personal beliefs, yet recognizing limitations of their office. If Carson came out and said something along the lines of, "I don't personally prefer people in certain areas having certain types of firearms, but I recognize that our Constitution is clear on their right to do so,and I will notbe making anymovement toward changing what has alread been established," would that change your mind at all?

I ask out of curiousity, and don't have a goal to convice anyone ineither direction. Just testing the waters to see how people would feel about such a situation.No way!

What these guys say publicly is just the tip of the iceberg. He's said enough for me to know that the thoughts he keeps private (for now) are most certainly not in line with my beliefs.

I truly believe that the second protects the rest.

[buffalobo]

There is a difference between him saying he'd rather not someone have something, than him actively supporting taking it away. Bailey often talks about politicians having personal beliefs, yet recognizing limitations of their office. If Carson came out and said something along the lines of, "I don't personally prefer people in certain areas having certain types of firearms, but I recognize that our Constitution is clear on their right to do so,and I will notbe making anymovement toward changing what has alread been established," would that change your mind at all?

I ask out of curiousity, and don't have a goal to convice anyone ineither direction. Just testing the waters to see how people would feel about such a situation.


If a candidate supports RKBA they will advocate and legislate the repeal of the 20,000 current infringements, not just advocate no further infringements.

Therefore Carson IMO falls in reasonable restriction to outright grabber range and should be outcast.

There are almost zero RKBA politicians.

[BPTactical]

Our Second Amendment is not discriminatory. It doesn't matter what race, sex, religion, income or locality.
A better argument can be made FOR a semi automatic firearm in an urban locale.
All one has to do is look to Fergidishu for that answer.


Ben Carson can go suck start a 90mm mortar.

[Alpha2]

Agreed. Just look at what ALWAYS happens once they get into office. Oooh, the power! They just can't resist.

[Irving]

Well there you go. The next time a candidates views on abortion are questioned, we'll all remember that it doesn't matter what they say they'll do or not do about it, only that we know how they feel about it. Thanks for the input guys.

For the record, I don't think I like Carson.

[Mtn.man]

The dems/gungrabbers would welcome him. He would sign any bill against the 2nd they would present.
May be real smart but not REAL smart.

[Zundfolge]

If he ends up being the nominee, I'll gladly vote for Carson over whatever idiot/monster the Dems put up in 2016. That said we're not in "General Election" time, we're in the run-up to the primaries in which case I plan to openly and vociferously oppose Carson as the nominee.

My hope is that President Cruz makes him Surgeon General.

[Bailey Guns]

My hope is that President Cruz makes him Surgeon General.

My hope is the President Gowdy makes him Surgeon General.

Hey...if liberals can have hope, so can I.

[Mtn.man]

we've all had the "hope" and it went by way of the dino's.

[Zundfolge]

My hope is the President Gowdy makes him Surgeon General.

I could live with that :D

[Singlestack]

If he ends up being the nominee, I'll gladly vote for Carson over whatever idiot/monster the Dems put up in 2016. That said we're not in "General Election" time, we're in the run-up to the primaries in which case I plan to openly and vociferously oppose Carson as the nominee.

My hope is that President Cruz makes him Surgeon General.

That's where I'm at. Just keep in mind its the Pubby establishment and mainstream liberal media that keep pushing Christy, Bush, and to some extent Carson on us.

[HoneyBadger]

My hope is the President Gowdy makes him Surgeon General.

Hey...if liberals can have hope, so can I.
I think I'd rather see Gowdy as Attorney General... That would provide some daily humor and he'd actually get a ton of shit fixed.

But if he was our candidate, I'd gladly vote for him.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'd love Trey Gowdy as Pres or AG. As far as Carson goes, I'd rather have Carson as President with opportunity to educate him on why some of his biases about guns are wrong than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton or Rahm Emanuel as President with nothing but Bloomberg's wet dreams controlling the DOJ and ATF.

[Zundfolge]

The $64 question is; Is Ben Carson Teachable?

[Aloha_Shooter]

I would venture he's more teachable than Fauxcahontas or Billary.

[Zundfolge]

I don't doubt that ... I also suspect that a lunch with John Lott would probably be enough to set him straight.

[Ronin13]

The $64 question is; Is Ben Carson Teachable?
I'd be willing to wager on it... Granted, if he wins out all the primaries and is the candidate they put up, I'd support him, but like you said earlier, I'd support others well before him. I do like the idea of Cruz or Gowdy. Lately it's seeming more and more like I don't like Rand... Especially with his remarks after the release of all this "torture" stuff.

[Zundfolge]

Lately it's seeming more and more like I don't like Rand...
More and more Rand looks like a typical opportunist politician ... more of a Marco Rubio or Paul Ryan and not a younger Ron Paul (say what you will about Ron, even when I disagreed with him I respected that he was 110% committed to his ideals). That said, I think Rand would make a better SML than Bitch McBalless).

[Firehaus]

http://conservativetribune.com/never-register/


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[HoneyBadger]

http://conservativetribune.com/never-register/


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No comment on the article, but I can't stand websites like that with a bunch of garbage scammy spammy gimmicky ads.

[Firehaus]

No comment on the article, but I can't stand websites like that with a bunch of garbage scammy spammy gimmicky ads.

I agree. It's getting worse everywhere.


Sent from my iPhone

[wctriumph]

The guy will have to come right out and say that he supports the second amendment and that if he is elected he will not sign any law that limits law abiding Americans rights, including limits on purchases, magazine capacity limits and bans on firearm types and importation. He would also need to trim back the BATFE and get a pro-gun rights director in charge of the agency.

[Singlestack]

Carson is generally a very intelligent and thoughtful person. However, it is now clear that he has lived his life ignorant of the 2nd amendment, firearms in general, and probably does not count gunowners as friends or family members. My sense is he and his staff have received very negative and outspoken feedback from gunowners in general, and are trying to recover from a series of very bad statements. My guess is he has not been aware of how many Americans are legal gunowners, and the political implications of making the statements he has made. The problem now is that even if he espouses a totally solid 2A position, who will trust him? We have seen politicians flip-flop like crazy, or "evolve" as Greg Brophy did with illegal immigration and in-state tuition. Many will not check the 2A support box for Carson if there are better alternatives.

[Bitter Clinger]

The guy will have to come right out and say that he supports the second amendment and that if he is elected he will not sign any law that limits law abiding Americans rights, including limits on purchases, magazine capacity limits and bans on firearm types and importation. He would also need to trim back the BATFE and get a pro-gun rights director in charge of the agency.

Here ya go

http://www.runbenrun.org/issues

“But the real reason that they put it [2nd Amendment] there is recognizing that there could come a time when our government itself could go off the rail, and could try to dominate the people, and the people would need a mechanism of defense for themselves."
“I would never allow the Second Amendment to be jeopardized.”
"I used to think they (guns) needed to be registered, but if you register them they just come and find you and take your guns."
"If we were only concerned about external forces, then we would be okay, but there are some pretty sinister internal forces."
"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights. I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."
"We need to engage in a discussion about, 'Is there something we can do?'" (about keeping guns away from criminals and mentally ill people.)
"We have to keep in mind that law-abiding American citizens absolutely should have gun rights."
“To threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban all assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment.”
"What we need to be able to do is to sit down and have a discussion about, 'Is there a way to ameliorate that situation and is there a way to keep weapons out of the hands of people who are mentally ill without compromising any provision of the second amendment.'"
Sources:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/ben-carson-2nd-amendment-needed-case-gov-t-goes-rail
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/10/Dr-Ben-Carson-Against-Gun-Registration-Because-We-Should-Be-Really-Concerned-About-Martial-Law
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/22/carson-when-government-looks-more-like-foe-than-fr
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/ben-carson-2nd-amendment-people-can-protect-themselves-overly
See also:
Audio of conference call: https://vekeo.com/event/usa-first-pacs-vekeo-event-11192014/?awesm=vekeo.buzz_qV

[Zundfolge]

Those quotes make me hopeful for Dr Carson.


“But the real reason that they put it [2nd Amendment] there is recognizing that there could come a time when our government itself could go off the rail, and could try to dominate the people, and the people would need a mechanism of defense for themselves."
“I would never allow the Second Amendment to be jeopardized.”
"I used to think they (guns) needed to be registered, but if you register them they just come and find you and take your guns."
"If we were only concerned about external forces, then we would be okay, but there are some pretty sinister internal forces."
"We have to keep in mind that law-abiding American citizens absolutely should have gun rights."
“To threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban all assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment.”


The following worry me.

"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights. I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."
"We need to engage in a discussion about, 'Is there something we can do?'" (about keeping guns away from criminals and mentally ill people.)
"What we need to be able to do is to sit down and have a discussion about, 'Is there a way to ameliorate that situation and is there a way to keep weapons out of the hands of people who are mentally ill without compromising any provision of the second amendment.'"


Overall though I feel better about Dr Carson than I have in some time.

[milwaukeeshaker]

No worries about Carson, the stupid a---s are surely going to run that has been Romney, or some other "slightly left of middle" progressive, lame-o. When will they ever get real? Where are the right wing, constitutional, Repubs???

[davsel]

Here ya go

http://www.runbenrun.org/issues

"We need to engage in a discussion about, 'Is there something we can do?'" (about keeping guns away from criminals and mentally ill people.)

"What we need to be able to do is to sit down and have a discussion about, 'Is there a way to ameliorate that situation and is there a way to keep weapons out of the hands of people who are mentally ill without compromising any provision of the second amendment.'"


I wish people would phrase this concept differently.
Instead of keeping guns away from criminals and the mentally ill, why not focus on keeping criminals and the mentally ill away from guns?

[wctriumph]

^^^^^ Great point you make there.

[Zundfolge]

I wish people would phrase this concept differently.
Instead of keeping guns away from criminals and the mentally ill, why not focus on keeping criminals and the mentally ill away from guns?

Or just put on our big boy pants and admit that such a thing is impossible so lets make damn sure that there are plenty of good and decent people about who are armed in preparation for the inevitable evil actions of the criminal and mentally ill.

[HoneyBadger]

Here ya go

http://www.runbenrun.org/issues

“But the real reason that they put it [2nd Amendment] there is recognizing that there could come a time when our government itself could go off the rail, and could try to dominate the people, and the people would need a mechanism of defense for themselves."
“I would never allow the Second Amendment to be jeopardized.”
"I used to think they (guns) needed to be registered, but if you register them they just come and find you and take your guns."
"If we were only concerned about external forces, then we would be okay, but there are some pretty sinister internal forces."
"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights. I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."
"We need to engage in a discussion about, 'Is there something we can do?'" (about keeping guns away from criminals and mentally ill people.)
"We have to keep in mind that law-abiding American citizens absolutely should have gun rights."
“To threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban all assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment.”
"What we need to be able to do is to sit down and have a discussion about, 'Is there a way to ameliorate that situation and is there a way to keep weapons out of the hands of people who are mentally ill without compromising any provision of the second amendment.'"
Sources:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/ben-carson-2nd-amendment-needed-case-gov-t-goes-rail
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/10/Dr-Ben-Carson-Against-Gun-Registration-Because-We-Should-Be-Really-Concerned-About-Martial-Law
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/22/carson-when-government-looks-more-like-foe-than-fr
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/ben-carson-2nd-amendment-people-can-protect-themselves-overly
See also:
Audio of conference call: https://vekeo.com/event/usa-first-pacs-vekeo-event-11192014/?awesm=vekeo.buzz_qV

Does it say in any of those links WHEN he said those things? It would be interesting to see how they fit together in a timeline with his known anti-gun comments. If there is a clear "change of heart", then that's a good thing. However, if he talks out of both sides of his mouth, then we may as well vote for Jeb, Christie, or Hillary.

[HoneyBadger]

The $64 question is; Is Ben Carson Teachable?


Update: This was when he spoke at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum a few months ago.
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I think his speaking skills have a long way to come if he wants to be considered "electable", but I like the thoughtful things he keeps saying.

ETA: He just posted this on his official facebook page. It is not so much related to guns, but moreso his candidacy. I love his stab at career politicians at the end!



I wanted to use our time tonight to directly deal with an attack launched on me today by the left and the media. A couple questions came in on this subject, so I want to address it head on.

Today I was accused by the press as having done research on fetal tissue. It simply is not true. The study they distributed by an anonymous source was done in 1992. The study was about tumors. I won’t bore you with the science. There were four doctors' names on the study. One was mine. I spent my life studying brain tumors and removing them. My only involvement in this study was supplying tumors that I had removed from my patients. Those tissue samples were compared to other tissue samples under a microscope. Pathologists do this work to gain clues about tumors.

I, nor any of the doctors involved with this study, had anything to do with abortion or what Planned Parenthood has been doing. Research hospitals across the country have microscope slides of all kinds of tissue to compare and contrast. The fetal tissue that was viewed in this study by others was not collected for this study.

I am sickened by the attack that I, after having spent my entire life caring for children, had something to do with aborting a child and harvesting organs. My medical specialty is the human brain and even I am amazed at what it is capable of doing. Please know these attacks are pathetic attempts to blunt our progress.

Now lets get to answering your questions.

Nancy in Arkansas wants to know how my mother is doing.

Nancy, you know my mother is the only reason I stand here today. I surely would have been lost if it were not for her. She is an amazing woman. If she were the Secretary of Treasury, I assure you we would have a surplus. My mother was very ill when I announced my candidacy. The family was called in by her doctors. We surrounded her and prayed as did millions of you. She began to eat again. She has her strength back. She is doing as well as we can expect. Thank you for asking.

The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.

Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.

Last question as it is getting late. A young nurse in Ohio wants to know how many patients did I treat during my career.

I treated over 15,000 patients in some 57 countries. We lived in Australia for a while as well. One of the most gratifying moments of each day is when I run into a former patient like I did tonight. My patients were all quite ill. I love seeing them with their families living normal lives. I think it is more gratifying than serving in Congress.

Speaking of serving in Congress, I constantly get asked how could I possibly become President when I have no political experience. Here is what I say. The current Members of Congress have a combined 8,788 years of political experience. How is that working out? People forget that of our 56 founding fathers who risked it all to sign the Declaration of Independence, Five were Doctors.

Good night,
Ben

[Gman]

Just got a RoboCall with a recorded message and a prompt for donating to the campaign.

[Bailey Guns]

Dr Carson has really got my attention lately. I know he didn't seem to be too hot on the gun issue early on...especially by saying semi-autos shouldn't be widely available in urban areas.

But, he seems to have chalked that up...convincingly in my opinion...to "political inexperience". He's explained those remarks and he's also made it clear he doesn't believe the 2A should be further restricted.

And, the guy's pretty good at answering questions with real words...not cliche and bumper sticker replies like most of the politicians in the race. I'm liking him more and more and I'd have to say, if I had to vote for one of the candidates today it's highly probably it would be him. He really impressed me in the 2nd debate.

[hurley842002]

Dr Carson has really got my attention lately. I know he didn't seem to be too hot on the gun issue early on...especially by saying semi-autos shouldn't be widely available in urban areas.

But, he seems to have chalked that up...convincingly in my opinion...to "political inexperience". He's explained those remarks and he's also made it clear he doesn't believe the 2A should be further restricted.

And, the guy's pretty good at answering questions with real words...not cliche and bumper sticker replies like most of the politicians in the race. I'm liking him more and more and I'd have to say, if I had to vote for one of the candidates today it's highly probably it would be him. He really impressed me in the 2nd debate.

Yeah Dr Carson certainly is a possibility for me, especially after his Muslim for President comment.

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah Dr Carson certainly is a possibility for me, especially after his Muslim for President comment.
I especially like that he didn't back down from the media criticism when he said that... instead, he doubled down and made it VERY clear that Sharia law is not compatible with our constitution. If I had to vote today, Carson would probably get my vote. I'm behind him 90% at this point. My other 10% is still desperately clinging to Rand Paul. [ROFL1]

[milwaukeeshaker]

Nobody likes Carly?

[hurley842002]

Nobody likes Carly?

Who said that? Because I like one, I can't like another? I mean, we have half a dozen to choose from, why rule everyone else out.

[milwaukeeshaker]

No, No, don't take me wrong, Nobody dropped her name in the discussion like other candidates names were. Just wondered.


Who said that? Because I like one, I can't like another? I mean, we have half a dozen to choose from, why rule everyone else out.

[MED]

Dr. Carson is gaining momentum; he has my parents convinced...they are big supporters of his. He would be a tremendous improvement over the POS in office now.

[hurley842002]

No, No, don't take me wrong, Nobody dropped her name in the discussion like other candidates names were. Just wondered.

Ahh, no I'm keeping an open mind and trying not to pay too much attention to the debates (even tho I obviously have). I'm trying to squeeze in some fact based research when I have the time.

[HoneyBadger]

Nobody likes Carly?
Who said that? Did somebody start a Carly thread?


Who said that? Because I like one, I can't like another? I mean, we have half a dozen to choose from, why rule everyone else out.
Yes. You are only allowed to like one politician. The rest are poop.


No, No, don't take me wrong, Nobody dropped her name in the discussion like other candidates names were. Just wondered.

Well, this is a Ben Carson thread, so I wouldn't expect it to be about any other candidate. Feel free to start a Carly Fiorina thread if you'd like - There is lots to talk about.

[milwaukeeshaker]

I just mentioned her name because you mentioned Rand Paul in an earlier post. I really like both Fiorina and Paul, but Paul is being totally ignored, and Fiorina is somewhat dismissed. Carson seems a little weak on gun issues, most Doctors are anti-gun, or am I wrong and missed something?

[Bailey Guns]

Carson seems a little weak on gun issues, most Doctors are anti-gun, or am I wrong and missed something?

About 2 years ago someone interviewing him asked him about guns (may have been on Glen Beck's show), specifically semi-autos, and he said people in cities shouldn't have them, but elsewhere it was OK. That created a firestorm for him.

Recently, he's come out far more strongly on the 2A. He explained his remarks from a few years ago were due to inexperience and that he was just saying in largely populated areas more guns = more opportunity for prohibited persons to get them. With his more recent pro-gun remarks I tend to believe he'll be a strong 2A supporter.

ETA: Fiorina is on my short list as well.