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So I was very bored, LOL, and started watching doomsday preppers. Some of these guys ideas are absolutely off-the-wall insane, others are actually very well thought through. My question is, how do you think doomsday will occur?do you believe it will be a society breakdown, astroid hitting earth, solar flares, even semi-local situations such as Yellowstone? Just a thought was just wondering what you guys think my personal belief will be something from space but then again I am a space nerd lol
Theres a whole sub forum just for the tin foil guys
Shoot sorry, I couldn't find it unless the government took it down tinfoil tinfoil
It probably won't be one lone thing. I think for it to happen it could be a few things happening at once or in quick succession. I am not closed minded to anything so I am doing my best to stay self-reliant overall. And less reliant on society.
Very good point, I have never really looked into this. I really don't know where to start?
newracer
12-11-2014, 15:28
US economic collapse.
Worldwide economic collapse followed by or in conjunction with WWIII.
Start with the necessities - shelter (away from urban area), water (natural source or large storage), food (garden, hunting land, and large storage), guns and ammo (assume you have that covered).
Very good point, I have never really looked into this. I really don't know where to start?'
Visit the Preparedness section of this forum. :-D
Get some ideas, get your mind thinking, ask more questions.
You got it and I sure will! Thanks
Prioritize your thinking. Think about all the stuff that you rely on "the system" for, and think about what you would do if that stuff suuddenly was unobtanium. You still have needs that have to be met, however those needs cannot be fulfilled on your own.
Start taking that list and rack and stack it and start learning how to either meet those needs yourself, or with like-minded individuals.
Preparedness isn't only about doomsday. What happened if you suddenly were out of work for a few months? You could eat from your preps, and have one less expense while you pay your mortgage instead. Just little things like that.
My house didn't have power for two days in Aurora. I had systems in place where it barely affected us and the 4 kids. Yeah, we didn't have power but the impact on our life was negligible.
Bailey Guns
12-11-2014, 16:09
We're not really preppers. But it's just worked out that we could actually live quite comfortably without power for an extended amount of time. We heat with wood and have an unlimited supply, and we can cook on the woodstove. We have a great well and have a means of easily getting water out of it...it's 385' deep. We even have an ample supply of propane at any given time and easy access to more, and the means of getting it from a big tank into little tanks to power various items. Wife is a trained medical professional. There will be plenty of wildlife for at least a while.
The problem is we're just as vulnerable as anyone else to those who'd want to harm us if good times turn bad. I have no illusions of surviving much longer than anyone else, to be honest.
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Get as far away from everyone else as possible, as fast as possible.
Yeah no kidding, I am in Aurora as well. I think my biggest problem is having an apartment. But we are working on that slowly
ChunkyMonkey
12-11-2014, 16:49
US economic collapse.
It's a matter of when. Uh oh
Aloha_Shooter
12-11-2014, 16:55
A few things come to mind: natural disaster (extreme hurricane, meteor strike, etc.), economic collapse, societal collapse. Different preparations for each one but I was trained to "be prepared".
If Yellowstone goes..... It won't matter ;)
If Yellowstone goes..... It won't matter ;)
And for us Auroraites, If Buckley goes it won't matter either.
GilpinGuy
12-11-2014, 18:00
Focus on preparing for a personal crisis that is more likely to occur, like losing a job, your house burning down, a blizzard socking you in for a few days, a flood, a forest fire, the sudden death of a family member, etc. Prepare for those things first. A supervolcano, an asteroid impacting the earth or an EMP destroying life as we know it are highly unlikely. Doomsday Preppers make real preppers look foolish. I can't watch it.
I suggest listening to thesurvivalpodcast (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/) for more of this line of thinking.
GilpinGuy
12-11-2014, 18:03
We have a great well and have a means of easily getting water out of it...it's 385' deep.
How will you do this? I have been wanting a solution for getting water out of my well as well. It's 400 or so feet deep, but water level is at 80 feet, approx.
SamuraiCO
12-11-2014, 18:26
Get and read the book "One Second After". It will help you go through the thought process and put you in the right frame of mind. Your ability to know you are in an emergency situation and have a plan will keep you from freezing and not being able to make any decisions.
As others have stated you can do small things that would allow your household function for days to weeks w/o power. You have food stores so the emergency situation that occurs every time a blizzard is in the forecast is no problem you already have everything needed. I have extra food of staples that we buy every almost weekly like extra spaghetti sauce, spaghetti, mayo, mustard, canned goods etc. We buy beef once a year so at any time I have a lot of beef in the freezer. I also buy extra chicken and vacuum pack the breasts to protect. Extra bacon, fish etc. i have extra propane so if the power did go out for an extended time I would either can or jerk most of my meat in the freezer. Many options for freeze dried foods that store under beds and have 25 year shelf life.
You can move to more serious preps like the ability to heat water and food, have access to some water stores (water barrels in basement, water bob that fits in your bath tubs for water storage, ability to filter water), alternate heat source for rooms (propane or kerosene space heater) to wood stove backup if feasible.
Then think about what would happen if you needed money for emergencies. During a power outage your debit card does not work. Those businesses open will be on cash basis for goods. Have cash reserves in the home or bank for several months of bill payments if you are able to build those reserves. Further diversification of cash with purchase of gold/silver (is at a low right now), alcohol (great barter good that does not go bad and has several uses), etc.
Lots of resources but don't be get overwhelmed by those that seem to have everything and are living "off the grid". That is quite a serious life decision.
I think what will get us is our economy collapsing from debt and the digitizing of our monetary supply, ie the Federal Reserve is adding money to its reserve and buying the US debt. How much longer will that be allowed to occur without severely devaluation the dollar creating inflation or deflation or both ie what happened in Germany between WWI and WWII.
Oh....and guns......lots of guns.
KestrelBike
12-11-2014, 18:55
[Economic Collapse] It's a matter of when. Uh oh
Yeah, we're pretty screwed. For 2014, they're estimating a $649 Billion budget deficit. This is better than the previous obummer years: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
2009 $1.413 trillion
2010 $1.294 trillion
2011 $1.300 trillion
2012 $1.087 trillion
2013 $680 billion [average GWB year was $221 billion deficit]
If you take all of the expenses that make up that deficit, there are really only 4 large items:
Dept of HHS (medicare) 26%
Social Security 25%
Dept of Defense 16%
Dept of Treasury (roughly 75% of this is paying interest on our debts) 13%
The minor crap: Dept of Agriculture (paying subsidies to big agro, no shit) 4%
The rest is about 2% or less: Transportation; Labor; Education; Homeland Sec; Dept of Housing & Urban Dev; DOJ (just 0.8%). Things like the Nat. Science Foundation gets only 0.2% of the budget (NASA gets ~0.4%).
Imagine if you went crazy and cut the Department of Defense's budget in half (this would *never* happen). At $580 billion (FY 09/30/14 amt), you only took $290 billion from the budget deficit so theres still a ~$400 billion deficit. Medicare and Social Security are entitlements. Beyond the obvious negative connotation we have with that word, it means that it's beyond the control of the budget, there would have to be laws passed to cut those amounts that are "owed" to the recipients. In short, we're on an inexorable path towards default on our loans with china. Wonder what will happen when we cannot pay them, or they have an economic meltdown of their own and come looking to us to cash in their chips. (remember why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor: We stopped selling them oil)
SamuraiCO
12-11-2014, 19:01
All that with record revenues made to the IRS by those of us still fortunate enough to be working. When will enough be enough.
GilpinGuy
12-11-2014, 19:09
When will enough be enough.
When America is "fundamentally transformed" forever.
KestrelBike
12-11-2014, 19:14
All that with record revenues made to the IRS by those of us still fortunate enough to be working. When will enough be enough.
ding ding ding NEVER. Well actually, http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0914.pdf
for FY 09/30/14, receipts were $3.02 trillion. 3 big items:
Individual income taxes 46%
Payroll (social sec, medicare, retirement withholding on paychecks & employer contribs) 34%
Corporation income taxes <11%
It's going to be a miracle making corporations pay. Republicans want corps to pay even less, while democrats want individuals to pay more. Guess who's on the winning end in both scenarios lol. It is almost a disincentive to earn more to pay more taxes, because the gov will just waste it some more. Government spending is a rabbit hole that no amount of tax revenue will ever fill.
ETA: Going a bit farther, the entire legislature system is broken because Congressmen have zero incentive to pay off the debt ($18 trillion as of last week, with at *minimum* half a trillion each year being added to it with no end in sight) because it does nothing tangential nor immediate for their constituents who elect them. Hah, can you see a senate or rep candidate on a platform of "I pledge to pay $500 billion to the chinese to pay off our debt!" Hell no. They're going to run on a platform of bringing bridge repairs for their district (adds to the debt) or promising to keep their medicare intact (adds to the debt). Zero political incentive to pay off the principal of the debt, lots of incentive to add to it.
Great-Kazoo
12-11-2014, 19:23
They way this bridging the racial barrier's been going, hopefully not too much longer. Burn this Bitch DOWN!
Not as long as Im holding the fire extinguisher [AR15]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VJuZ_KUwUE
Bailey Guns
12-11-2014, 20:05
We have a great well and have a means of easily getting water out of it...it's 385' deep.How will you do this? I have been wanting a solution for getting water out of my well as well. It's 400 or so feet deep, but water level is at 80 feet, approx.
Sorry...actually, a couple of ways. One is a hand pump a friend setup. Had to have some special valve or something...plumber/well guy speak and it was way over my head. But the easiest way is a generator. We can run the pump off a portable generator. Had the same friend set that up when we put in a new pump in 2011.
Our static level is about 45'. There's also an artesian spring just off our property that we could access.
All else fails you can use a rope and a small bucket, I guess.
GilpinGuy
12-11-2014, 20:25
Sorry...actually, a couple of ways. One is a hand pump a friend setup. Had to have some special valve or something...plumber/well guy speak and it was way over my head. But the easiest way is a generator. We can run the pump off a portable generator. Had the same friend set that up when we put in a new pump in 2011.
Our static level is about 45'. There's also an artesian spring just off our property that we could access.
All else fails you can use a rope and a small bucket, I guess.
A hand pump is the way I'm leaning, but they're $1K+ for a decent one with a depth of 80'+. If I need to, my plan is the coffee can and rope method like you, unless there's enough snow outside to melt on the wood stove.
BushMasterBoy
12-11-2014, 20:33
The best survival food is at the dollar store.
theGinsue
12-11-2014, 20:48
The best survival food is at the dollar store.
You can't drop something like that & walk away. Details man; details!
Great-Kazoo
12-11-2014, 21:02
You can't drop something like that & walk away. Details man; details!
He hooked up with one of the cashiers .
LOL, been doing a lot of research on it tonight. Thanks for the help guys, dollar store cashiers are hot
On the deep well discussion here, any thoughts on this? http://www.sunshineworks.com/deep-well-hand-pump.htm
Sorry...actually, a couple of ways. One is a hand pump a friend setup. Had to have some special valve or something...plumber/well guy speak and it was way over my head. But the easiest way is a generator. We can run the pump off a portable generator. Had the same friend set that up when we put in a new pump in 2011.
Our static level is about 45'. There's also an artesian spring just off our property that we could access.
All else fails you can use a rope and a small bucket, I guess.
Called a foot valve amongst other names.....
We lived off rain catchment for 2yrs.....never needed a water truck... Family of 5.
http://waterworkshawaii.com same process.... Pump to foot valve to scrubbers to faucet.
generalmeow
12-12-2014, 11:45
The scenario that scares me the most is a major EMP by way of solar flare. I'm not sure it's the most likely scary thing to happen in my lifetime, but in terms of the next 50 years there's probably a decent chance of it happening. It almost happened last year (we missed it by like 8 hours or something). It happened once big time in the 1800's (carrington event). The point is that it's a natural event that happens frequently, but hasn't yet happened when it would really devastate humans. Compared to an asteroid, yellowstone erupting, aliens, zombies, etc., I think it's completely reasonable to prepare for it to happen in our lifetime. Even if it's a 1 in 10 chance, which it probably is, I don't like them odds when we're talking about Road Warrior type scenarios.
When the electricity goes out, I always immediately check my cell phone. If my cell phone was out, I'd go try to start my car. If it didn't start, I would immediately start running to the nearest grocery store where I would grab a cart, fill it to the brim with canned goods, and walk my ass right out the door and start pushing it 15 miles home. The good news it will probably take days for most people to figure out what's going on, or to know how serious it is. Most of us would probably know within 30 seconds.
The way things are going it seems like economic collapse is a sure thing in my lifetime, but wouldn't be a life ending event for most people. It probably wouldn't be Road Warrior. And in an economic collapse, which could take years or even decades to work through, it might help a little bit to have food stored, and certainly a way to protect yourself in scarier times, but you're not going to stay in your house for decades. We'll all be in the same boat pretty much.
The best survival food is at the dollar store.
Nobody likes Vienna sausages?
They have $1.00 steaks in the frozen Aisle. Dare you to try them.
I have 2 cars with points and extra sets of points on the shelf. Bring on the EMP.
thvigil11
12-12-2014, 12:35
Nobody likes Vienna sausages?
They have $1.00 steaks in the frozen Aisle. Dare you to try them.
My sister once bought dollar store cashews. Almost killed me, my bother and brother in law. I've had giardia, stomach flu and food poisoning before. Those nuts were worse than all three.
The scenario that scares me the most is a major EMP by way of solar flare. I'm not sure it's the most likely scary thing to happen in my lifetime, but in terms of the next 50 years there's probably a decent chance of it happening. It almost happened last year (we missed it by like 8 hours or something). It happened once big time in the 1800's (carrington event). The point is that it's a natural event that happens frequently, but hasn't yet happened when it would really devastate humans. Compared to an asteroid, yellowstone erupting, aliens, zombies, etc., I think it's completely reasonable to prepare for it to happen in our lifetime. Even if it's a 1 in 10 chance, which it probably is, I don't like them odds when we're talking about Road Warrior type scenarios.
When the electricity goes out, I always immediately check my cell phone. If my cell phone was out, I'd go try to start my car. If it didn't start, I would immediately start running to the nearest grocery store where I would grab a cart, fill it to the brim with canned goods, and walk my ass right out the door and start pushing it 15 miles home. The good news it will probably take days for most people to figure out what's going on, or to know how serious it is. Most of us would probably know within 30 seconds.
The way things are going it seems like economic collapse is a sure thing in my lifetime, but wouldn't be a life ending event for most people. It probably wouldn't be Road Warrior. And in an economic collapse, which could take years or even decades to work through, it might help a little bit to have food stored, and certainly a way to protect yourself in scarier times, but you're not going to stay in your house for decades. We'll all be in the same boat pretty much.
Solar flare is a good possibility. My biggest fear out of all of the scenarios is that it would JUST affect the United States (Solar flare, emp, economic collapse, etc etc) If it happens to the whole world I think we are better off but still fucked.
Don't go to a store that the carts' wheels lock up after crossing the yellow line!
The family and I have a code word. We work into a sentence. Then we will all immediately go home. We have get home bags in each car for 5+ days of food, shelter, other things for specific scenarios (disease outbreak, etc), enough ammo to shoot our way out of the early stages of civil unrest. (and if we are 30 minutes away from home we bring other stuff.) We also have solid EDC systems that would make due if we could not get to our cars.
SHOES! How many of your wives go to work with office shoes and do not have anything that they could comfortably walk more than a 1/4 mile in?
I have back issues, so all my Get home bags have fold up lage-wheeled dollys.
HoneyBadger
12-12-2014, 13:15
I have 2 cars with points and extra sets of points on the shelf. Bring on the EMP.
What do you mean "with points"?
What do you mean "with points"?
Pre 1975 igntion, developed by Otto Kettering. Mechanical breaker points to fire the coil.
HoneyBadger
12-12-2014, 13:49
Pre 1975 igntion, developed by Otto Kettering. Mechanical breaker points to fire the coil.
Oh, nifty.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2014, 16:05
Pre 1975 igntion, developed by Otto Kettering. Mechanical breaker points to fire the coil.
Since people (younger ones) have no clue. It's always important to remember dwell effects timing, not the other way around. SO Dwell (point gap) must be set before throwing a light on it.
WHAT'S A LIGHT, HOW DO I ADJUST POINT GAP, TIMING?? That's your homework for the weekend kids, have a safe one .
I still have a dwell meter and a timing light. I still use them now and again.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2014, 16:25
I still have a dwell meter and a timing light. I still use them now and again.
They're must have tools. Do you have brass feeler gauges ;)
Kazoo, just rip one of the tabs off the point box and use that to set the point. The thickness of the cardboard is just about right. At least enough to get you going again. ;) Ya know...for those roadside fixes. :) (This only pertains to putting new points on, assuming timing wasn't moved)
What do I win?
.017 will make almost anything with points run. Brass is preferred, but not required. The only time you really need brass is setting air gap on early Mopar and Ford electronics, as magnetic gauges cause issues.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2014, 17:40
Kazoo, just rip one of the tabs off the point box and use that to set the point. The thickness of the cardboard is just about right. At least enough to get you going again. ;) Ya know...for those roadside fixes. :) (This only pertains to putting new points on, assuming timing wasn't moved)
What do I win?
Nothing unless you carry, or use to, a screw driver and master link on your key chain ;) To keep the bottle opener company
You forget dwell / point gap effects timing, not the other way round. Once point gap is changes, timing is also.
Nothing unless you carry, or use to, a screw driver and master link on your key chain ;) To keep the bottle opener company
You forget dwell / point gap effects timing, not the other way round. Once point gap is changes, timing is also.
Its a Ford so I carry a box of "emergency tools/parts" in the trunk. :D
Yeah, but it'll be close enough to get you home.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2014, 17:57
Its a Ford so I carry a box of "emergency tools/parts" in the trunk. :D
Yeah, but it'll be close enough to get you home.
Absolutely. Question is, how many can change a flat tire? Or even know how to use the "jack" the mfg provides.
They're must have tools. Do you have brass feeler gauges ;)
No, mine are stainless. I used to need them replacing the points and condenser in my '72 Volvo.
My question is, how do you think doomsday will occur?
SE and Gulf Coast - hurricane
CA -earthquake
Midwest - tornado
CO - fire
Those scenarios aren't romantic enough for Hollywood but might in fact be more likely than zombies rising from the dead...
Aloha_Shooter
12-12-2014, 20:02
My question is, how do you think doomsday will occur?
The U.S. education system will stop teaching basic civics or the 3 'R's in favor of Maoist retraining, non-Socialists will fight each other harder than they fight the Leftists seeking to destroy the nation, and the U.S. will elect a racist rabidly anti-American/Western Communist to the highest office of the land and allow him to turn the federal bureaucracy like the IRS and DOJ into a personal Praetorian Guard.
Oh wait ...
SE and Gulf Coast - hurricane
CA -earthquake
Midwest - tornado
CO - fire
Those scenarios aren't romantic enough for Hollywood but might in fact be more likely than zombies rising from the dead...
These and the slow degradation of the almighty US dollar, many of you have already noticed your dollar not buying much except for this temporary reduction in gasoline pricing.
The U.S. education system will stop teaching basic civics or the 3 'R's in favor of Maoist retraining, non-Socialists will fight each other harder than they fight the Leftists seeking to destroy the nation, and the U.S. will elect a racist rabidly anti-American/Western Communist to the highest office of the land and allow him to turn the federal bureaucracy like the IRS and DOJ into a personal Praetorian Guard.
Oh wait ...
Ah yah...about that...already here.
OtterbatHellcat
12-12-2014, 22:43
Timing light....sheeeit. I haven't used one of those since the early 90's.
Don't forget to add a couple extra degrees of advance for the altitude.
These and the slow degradation of the almighty US dollar, many of you have already noticed your dollar not buying much except for this temporary reduction in gasoline pricing.
And at Palmetto State Armory.
BushMasterBoy
12-13-2014, 00:12
Non human race extincts us?
Non human race extincts us?
Dollar Store executives?
GilpinGuy
12-13-2014, 00:45
Seriously, focus on the "likely" events, not the unlikely made-for-tv stuff.
Seriously, focus on the "likely" events, not the unlikely made-for-tv stuff.
What's your plan for a Squatch invasion?
What's your plan for a Squatch invasion?
Immediate call to bobbyfairbanks for guidance... ... ...wait, he's Yeti... ... is that the same?
He probably knows enough to get you through the weekend.
Singlestack
12-13-2014, 07:59
I don't know what the next major disaster around here will be, but extended power outages or snow/ice storms seems fairly likely. My plan is to be able to bug-in for a month and be self reliant without power, gas, or other utilities. Beyond that, I'm screwed just like most.
ChunkyMonkey
12-13-2014, 08:10
I don't know what the next major disaster around here will be, but extended power outages or snow/ice storms seems fairly likely. My plan is to be able to bug-in for a month and be self reliant without power, gas, or other utilities. Beyond that, I'm screwed just like most.
Worry not, global warming is here.
<MADDOG>
12-13-2014, 08:35
One of many reasons I relocated to SC/NC; purchased a house surrounded by wooded acreage, one neighbor, and two ponds within 300M.
The water in CO (or lack thereof) bothered me...Although the heat here is going to take some acclimatization [LOL].
Bailey Guns
12-13-2014, 09:27
Seriously, focus on the "likely" events, not the unlikely made-for-tv stuff.
Exactly. We've had fires, threat of fires and 7' snowstorms resulting in extended power outages. In a fire it's pretty much just get your important stuff (that should be ready to go during fire season) and go. With the extended power outages/heavy snows we no longer worry. Heat, water and food are taken care of.
theGinsue
12-13-2014, 11:52
You can store up for short-term survival needs, but for long-term needs you will need a good clean water source and the ability to grow food. Both options are limited here in CO.
Those who think there will be plenty of game aren't realizing that EVERYBODY thinks there will be plenty of game to harvest. In a true SHTF scenario where folks aren't worried about game wardens, the wild animal population (and most domestic food animals) will be decimated within 1 - 2 months. Within 2 weeks of food deliveries no longer arriving to stores, people will be getting hungry & desperate. People will be taking to the mtn's in droves looking for food. Homes along their paths will be looted/destroyed and the wild game slaughter will be on. The same mentality in most city/urban dwellers where looting is okay doesn't think long-term. They WILL destroy everything they encounter
For the long-term, any sort of water purification will need to consider tools/resources that would be easy to find in a world where trucks aren't bringing supplies to stores anymore. Eventually, your stored water purification supplies will run out; then what?
What about medications? I require a daily blood pressure pill or I'm toast. Ho long will my supply last? How long will your required medications last?
Spare clothing and footwear and good defensible shelter that you can heat without relying on fuels that will stop flowing (propane, gasoline, diesel) mist also be thought through. Sure, the clothes on your back work today, but they will wear out. The heating & cooking you're doing with that 1,000 gallon LP tank will end before you know it.
Honestly, true survival beyond a couple of weeks will require advance planning AND preparation. As another member suggested, get and read One Second After as a way to get your mind thinking the right way. Then get other books of this topic and read those. Learn what you need to be ready. It's not all about guns, bullets and toilet paper.
HoneyBadger
12-13-2014, 12:06
If the looters are anything like the spineless Ferguson looters, I'm not worried. Just standing around with a gun was enough to keep them at bay. ...I seriously doubt that will be the case when the looters are starving/scared/tired/in shock/etc.
Aloha_Shooter
12-13-2014, 16:31
If the looters are anything like the spineless Ferguson looters, I'm not worried. Just standing around with a gun was enough to keep them at bay. ...I seriously doubt that will be the case when the looters are starving/scared/tired/in shock/etc.
I understand they'll taste like pork ...
Great-Kazoo
12-13-2014, 16:56
73 post later the question is.
Why wasn't this thread started in this forum? Or was Bunny too busy hopping around building post count, he "forgot" where to go
https://www.ar-15.co/forums/144-Survival-amp-Preparedness
BushMasterBoy
12-13-2014, 17:50
I wasn't prepared for this...I'm off to the $ store
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