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HoneyBadger
12-15-2014, 17:14
I was just pulled over on my way home by a member of the El Paso County Sheriff's office.
This was the first time I've ever been pulled over and I legitimately didn't know why.
The officer was polite and respectful, as I tried to be throughout the encounter. This thread is not about cops. If it goes there, I'll ask the mods to shut it down.
The officer initially told me that he pulled me over because I failed to signal for a lane change and because I was driving with a cracked windshield. I immediately objected (as politely as I could) because I am very adamant about using a signal when changing lanes. It really ticks me off when people change lanes without signaling - just one of those things, I guess. I asked him where I committed the alleged offense and he pointed to the rough spot about 200yds behind our current location. I kind of stared at him in disbelief because I didn't know what to say. I gave him my license and registration, along with my insurance card (which expired on 5 Dec).
When he came back, I immediately apologized for the insurance card, which I knew was not up to date, and I showed him the up to date card on my phone. He brushed it off. He then handed me a ticket for $48.50 for the cracked windshield, didn't mention the alleged lane change without signal, and said he wasn't concerned with the insurance card. He asked if I had any questions. I asked how he could justify fining me $50 for a cracked windshield that in no way obscures the driver's vision. He gave me the whole "signing is not an admission of guilt" line and wouldn't offer any further explanation. He told me to be safe when I re-entered traffic and to have a nice day.
I'm kind of confused by the whole exchange.... Was he writing me a ticket for the windshield to pry some money out of my pocketbook when he knew the lane change thing was BS? Was he just being a nice guy and letting the lane change without a signal go (if I did, in fact, commit the alleged actions... I'm not perfect, but I'm pretty darn sure I used a signal. Like 99% sure.) and writing me a lesser ticket for the windshield? Why didn't he care about my insurance?
And now with that out in the open, is it possible and/or reasonable to fight the windshield ticket? It's basically a poor tax. Or a conspiracy with the county road commission that puts GRAVEL on the roads when it snows. Is there any chance I could go to court and not have to pay the windshield ticket? I really don't want to pay it because there is no principle reason to: driving with a cracked windshield like mine certainly does not endanger the public or submit innocent people to unnecessary dangers.
What do you guys think? Did I get a BS ticket? Was the LEO doing me a favor by ONLY writing me a windshield ticket? Can I fight this in court?
SideShow Bob
12-15-2014, 17:16
I thought Honey Badger don't give a Shit ?
Windshields are secondary offenses so a "primary" reason was needed. Quick $50 later, you're on your way.
Windshields are secondary offenses so a "primary" reason was needed. Quick $50 later, you're you your way.
+1 thank you for providing for the el paso county christmas party!
Shoulda kicked the windshield out all the way and told him you were heading for Windshield America Store.
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2014, 17:31
Windshields are secondary offenses so a "primary" reason was needed. Quick $50 later, you're on your way.
+1 thank you for providing for the el paso county christmas party!
Both of these.
You mad Bro. You've just experienced the revenue generators for the United States.
I'm surprised when people who never had a ticket receive one, especially for a defective vehicle / tail light / windshield etc . If you take the time you have been a licensed driver vs tickets received you're doing good.
FWIW: Between now and jan 2 - 3rd, expect to be on the radar of every LE in CoS. Tis the Season for Giving and your local LE thanks you.
Your Rant receives a MINUS 1 based on honey badger not giving a shit (as mentioned) Pay it and move on. ALSO replace that WS ASAP.
The other possibility is that he was having a bad day and wanted to fist some poor schmuck, but when he got up to your window he realized he forgot his latex gloves at home and just wrote you a BS ticket instead.
My wife drives a 1991 Mazda 323 (dents, rust, water leaks and all) to and from work 30 miles one way every day and things like this are a regular occurance for her. They think they can get her for no Insurance or lax registration or more. She ALWAYS gets off with no ticket. Because she has all her stuff in order, and they cannot get her for anything.
Seriously this happens all the time for her, you would think they would recognize the car the amount of times they pulled her over and got nothing.
It seriously is something like she failed to signal or she crossed the dotted line or whatever. The latest one was the cop was entering a roadway (iliff) from a driveway from an apartment complex while she was in the right lane on Iliff. He argued that she didn't yield to him. She quickly put that arguement down since he didn't have any lights or sirens on she explained to him that she was going straight down Iliff and he in fact had to yield to her.
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2014, 17:39
ETA: You have a busted windshield, deal with it. How long's it been broken?
I had this a few years ago. Two Dougco Sheriffs were checking for speeders and kind of blocked a lane a bit as they were sitting next to each other in one of the two turn lanes on to Lincoln. I decided not to get in their way and crossed a solid white line (there was no traffic anywhere around) and then I made my turn only to see one of the deputies behind me with the lights on. Pulled me over and said I changed lanes over a solid line which was a good 100 yds prior to the intersection where there were no other cars. Anyway, I told him I was trying to give them space. He then asks if I have any other offenses he could write me a ticket for instead of a 3 point ticket for crossing a solid white line. Not able to come up with anything I jokingly told him i had a star on my windshield (literally smaller than a dime) and he said that would work. No points and the fine was $45 instead of the $120 the ticket would have been for crossing a white solid line. Sounded good at the time but as he started walking away, I was kind of pissed and felt like it was nothing more than a money grab.
If these two weren't parked illegally in the first place, I never would have crossed the solid line.
I guess in the end, no points and $45 out of my wallet is better than what he could have done if he was a total dick. I think this way they piss you off just enough to not launch a formal complaint and they get revenue.
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https://collisioncenters.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/what-are-the-laws-on-windshield-replacement/
Fight it!
I'm curious how bad the windows are that people are getting tickets for. Can you post a pic?
We've been driving with a cracked window for 6 months but it in no way interferes with vision. We haven't replaced it on principal, we got a chip that turned into a crack the first week we had the car and the chip was on the very side where it wasn't visible from inside so we didn't even have a chance to get it repaired before it grew by about a foot in one day.
On a side note, getting a ticket for no front license plate really annoyed me (had just gotten the plates and had the front plate in the passenger seat) but I got the ticket anyway. That was State Patrol outside of Ft Collins. While he was writing the ticket I counted over 50 passing vehicles with no front plate so he must have had a busy day if that's what he was looking for. :) I did just pay the ticket, I'm pretty sure it was less than $50.
I don't actually think crossing a solid white line (with care) is illegal.
Colorado_Outback
12-15-2014, 17:55
He was just looking for something bigger.
Warrents, suspended license, a little beer on your breath or weed smell in your car.
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2014, 17:57
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https://collisioncenters.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/what-are-the-laws-on-windshield-replacement/
Fight it!
I'm curious how bad the windows are that people are getting tickets for. Can you post a pic?
We've been driving with a cracked window for 6 months but it in no way interferes with vision. We haven't replaced it on principal, we got a chip that turned into a crack the first week we had the car and the chip was on the very side where it wasn't visible from inside so we didn't even have a chance to get it repaired before it grew by about a foot in one day.
On a side note, getting a ticket for no front license plate really annoyed me (had just gotten the plates and had the front plate in the passenger seat) but I got the ticket anyway. That was State Patrol outside of Ft Collins. While he was writing the ticket I counted over 50 passing vehicles with no front plate so he must have had a busy day if that's what he was looking for. :) I did just pay the ticket, I'm pretty sure it was less than $50.
IF it's in the windshield wiper area it is considered impairing your vision. HOWEVER the bottom line is CASH for the State, City, County. It's a 2 point ticket IF they write it as Driving with a XXX Or it's a basic pay $$ by this time and you will not be awarded any points. Ironic they will NOT AWARD YOU any points. How nice of them. IF you decide to contest the ticket then the $$ starts adding up.
I fought a parking ticket. Clearly showing i had to park with my rear tire on the white line(picture courtesy of the local meter maid) because the truck to my left was over the line / infringing in a second space. The "referee" when i asked him if that vehicle received a ticket like i did. replied, This is about your vehicle no one else!. That trip to contest ticket added another $75 to my cost of living expenses.
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2014, 18:00
I don't actually think crossing a solid white line (with care) is illegal.
$250 ticket in Greeley. Ask my former co-worker how that one went. GPD racked up 2 other vehicles along with her. Do the math it's always been a money maker.
This is why I have free windshield replacement on my insurance. I get a crack, I call it in.
$250 ticket in Greeley. Ask my former co-worker how that one went. GPD racked up 2 other vehicles along with her. Do the math it's always been a money maker.
Probably because of the Colorado "catch all" Colorado Revised Statutes 42-4-603.
However the Federal Highway Administration Uniform traffic Control Devices, says it is discouraged to cross a single white line but illegal to cross a double white line (like at an on or off ramp)
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-15-2014, 18:08
This is why I have free windshield replacement on my insurance. I get a crack, I call it in.
I used to do this all the time and State Farm dropped me. Later my agent said yeah you can do it, but not this many!
I used to do this all the time and State Farm dropped me. Later my agent said yeah you can do it, but not this many!
I've been in insurance for 12 years and I've never had an issue with any of our clients. That was probably a company thing. Out of curiosity, how many were you doing? :D
KestrelBike
12-15-2014, 18:17
I used to not use my blinker, then I realized I was being dumb and/or opening myself up to some liability. So for the past few years, it's just become habit. Lately, when I'm extra petulant and pass someone who was being a complete a-hole, I'll not use my blinker on purpose (I know, I know). My point is, that when I do this, I *know* I'm not using my blinker and immediately feel like I'm doing something unnatural like when I drive 5 yds to move my car, without putting my seatbelt on. As soon as the car is moving and I don't have my belt on, my body just goes "wait what, where's the belt?" That's how I feel now when I don't use my blinker. So I bet you used your blinker, and perhaps he knows that you can't prove that you did and he's just revenue'ing.
Zundfolge
12-15-2014, 18:35
I thought you got a "fix-it" ticket for a cracked windshield? And if you got it fixed within X number of days and got another officer to sign off on it you just had to mail it in and you were done, no fine, no points.
I guess I better get a new windshield on the Jeep :p (bought it a couple years ago with the busted windshield)
While we're discussing BS, did they just change the law again so that an illuminated check engine light is an automatic fall on emissions?
bobbyfairbanks
12-15-2014, 18:58
You can't justify this ticket. It is beyond disappointment. You where robbed by a public servant and where told to be happy about it. Resist!
Bailey Guns
12-15-2014, 19:05
Hey, HB. I'd say you have a couple of options if you don't wanna pay the fine.
1) Go to court and work something with the county atty. Take some photos of the windshield to show the crack doesn't interfere with your vision. They might cut you some slack. If I remember correctly the charge is "Obstructed Vision Through Required Glass" or some such nonsense. Could be titled differently but should be something like that.
2) Get a new windshield and call the county atty. Most of the time (though not always) they'll dismiss the case.
Unfortunately, either option isn't guaranteed to get you out of the ticket but in my experience they generally drop the case if you get the discrepancy fixed.
Having said that, it sounds like the officer probably did stop you for the signal violation. Just a thought but he may have seen you doing something else like weaving a little and thought maybe you were a DUI. Seriously...that happens pretty often. Once he stopped you and saw you obviously weren't impaired he cut you a break on the lane change and wrote you for the windshield. It's chickenshit, no doubt. But, when I left law enforcement the agency I was with was just about to implement a policy that if someone was worth stopping it was worth writing a ticket. That's a possibility as well (that's also the sort of thing that compelled me to look for a new line of work).
The sort of ticket he wrote you is what I called a win-win. He knows the likelihood of the ticket being dismissed for one or more reasons is pretty high. He knows he most likely won't have to go to court. And, if in fact the SO has a policy that the deputies must write tickets for every stop then he stays in the good graces of his Sgt. I did the same thing many times to honest Joe Citizen...if their insurance card was expired I'd warn them on whatever I stopped them for and wrote the insurance ticket. If they really didn't have insurance then they deserved the ticket. If they did, all they had to do was fax a copy of a current card to the city atty and the case was dismissed and they didn't pay a dime. I'd always explain that to them.
If I couldn't write them for no insurance or some other charge I'd try to explain that I noticed they weren't wearing their seatbelt *wink*wink*. It was only a $15 fine and they were happy to get out of a speeding ticket with a warning in exchange for no seatbelt.
Of course, lots of people got tickets because they earned them.
Bottom line, there's lots of reasons he may have handled the stop the way he did. Maybe he just likes to write chickenshit tickets. That's a possibility, too, and there are plenty of guys who do that. Just food for thought.
While we're discussing BS, did they just change the law again so that an illuminated check engine light is an automatic fall on emissions?
I believe they did, gotta pay for those new AWD rollers.
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2014, 19:31
While we're discussing BS, did they just change the law again so that an illuminated check engine light is an automatic fall on emissions?
If the light is on there is an issue.
bobbyfairbanks
12-15-2014, 19:35
If the light is on there is an issue.
Doesnt meanits it's a safety or emissions issues and on top of it it sure as hell doesn't mean our government should be able to give out tickets. That's chickenshit and so is any LEO that issues them out.
Aloha_Shooter
12-15-2014, 19:38
Reminds me of the ticket I got on I-95 going back to DC from Florida after Christmas. The state trooper said I had a taillight out. I said I just noticed that at my last gas stop but hadn't been able to get a replacement and would do so the next day when an auto parts store was open. I still got a ticket for "defective equipment" ($50-75 IIRC). Of course he knew I wasn't going to drive back down to Richmond to contest the ticket after looking at a DL with a Fairfax address. Being military didn't help any either; I guess it was too far past Desert Storm and 9/11 hadn't happened yet.
Reminds me of the ticket I got on I-95 going back to DC from Florida after Christmas. The state trooper said I had a taillight out. I said I just noticed that at my last gas stop but hadn't been able to get a replacement and would do so the next day when an auto parts store was open. I still got a ticket for "defective equipment" ($50-75 IIRC). Of course he knew I wasn't going to drive back down to Richmond to contest the ticket after looking at a DL with a Fairfax address. Being military didn't help any either; I guess it was too far past Desert Storm and 9/11 hadn't happened yet.
Reminds me of all the VA tags that would routinely go missing after accumulating enough parking tickets in the District. Maryland wouldn't let us get away with it, but I guess the private property tax in the commonwealth was high enough to cover replacing tags. Besides, everyone in DC knew that out of state tags were there just to issue parking tickts...it was the off-the-books DC commuter tax that the City Council could never get past Congress.
As time goes by, there is less and less discretion allowed to individual officers. You can see it in all of the demands to see a supervisor. If the supervisor needs to come handle more and more, why let the officers make any actual decisions. Crap rolls down hill, so when the supervisors, who you never see, demand to know you are actually working, and not parked in some parking lot, the simple method is to demand the production of paperwork. If that paperwork also generates revenue, so much the better. Most officers know how to stretch the mandatory stuff out and keep their supervisors off their backs and in a semi-stupefied state of satisfaction.
Every job has its peculiarities and irritations.
Be safe.
I've been in insurance for 12 years and I've never had an issue with any of our clients. That was probably a company thing. Out of curiosity, how many were you doing? :D
This has always been our worry, we have State Farm and we usually wait until it gets a bit worse before replacing. Even doing that we probably do 3 or 4 a year on two vehicles. Never had a problem but if we did it every time we got a crack we'd probably be at 5 or 6 windshields, we really have bad luck.
We do get chips repaired immediately if we see them.
I would never use my insurance to repair a windshield.
Bailey, courts used to just drop no insurance tickets with proper proof. Last time it happened to me, they dropped the ticket and STILL charged me court fees. Bastards.
Sharpienads
12-15-2014, 20:24
Next time just don't get pulled over.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvexf2tQF31qfa1jdo1_400.gif
Windshields are secondary offenses so a "primary" reason was needed. Quick $50 later, you're on your way.
He was celebrating the latest victory against crime..
http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/supreme-court-sides-with-police-in-4th-a
I thought Honey Badger don't give a Shit ?
That was the best response ever and the first one, no need for 4 pages. Bob wins.
Last time I got pulled over for cracked windshield (3-4 years ago) my oldest was in the back seat and out loud said the FORD expedition was a cool police car right as the officer got to my rolled down windshield. I believe that helped a lot because when he told me he pulled me over because of the windshield I was honest and told him I was flat broke and literally asked him if I could borrow $250 to replace it, he smiled, laughed and told me to get it replace when I could, said hello to my son, gave him a cheap sticker and left.
Still haven't replaced it. I am running out of luck you might say?
$50 ain't worth trying to fight it, just suck it up pay it and don't give a shit. [Coffee]
I'd say he did you a favor. If he would've written you for the insurance, thats a mandatory court appearance (summons). The windshield you can take care of via the mail, or fight it in court if you want. Lame ticket though for sure.
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HoneyBadger
12-15-2014, 21:54
Hey, HB. I'd say you have a couple of options if you don't wanna pay the fine.
1) Go to court and work something with the county atty. Take some photos of the windshield to show the crack doesn't interfere with your vision. They might cut you some slack. If I remember correctly the charge is "Obstructed Vision Through Required Glass" or some such nonsense. Could be titled differently but should be something like that.
2) Get a new windshield and call the county atty. Most of the time (though not always) they'll dismiss the case.
Unfortunately, either option isn't guaranteed to get you out of the ticket but in my experience they generally drop the case if you get the discrepancy fixed.
Having said that, it sounds like the officer probably did stop you for the signal violation. Just a thought but he may have seen you doing something else like weaving a little and thought maybe you were a DUI. Seriously...that happens pretty often. Once he stopped you and saw you obviously weren't impaired he cut you a break on the lane change and wrote you for the windshield. It's chickenshit, no doubt. But, when I left law enforcement the agency I was with was just about to implement a policy that if someone was worth stopping it was worth writing a ticket. That's a possibility as well (that's also the sort of thing that compelled me to look for a new line of work).
The sort of ticket he wrote you is what I called a win-win. He knows the likelihood of the ticket being dismissed for one or more reasons is pretty high. He knows he most likely won't have to go to court. And, if in fact the SO has a policy that the deputies must write tickets for every stop then he stays in the good graces of his Sgt. I did the same thing many times to honest Joe Citizen...if their insurance card was expired I'd warn them on whatever I stopped them for and wrote the insurance ticket. If they really didn't have insurance then they deserved the ticket. If they did, all they had to do was fax a copy of a current card to the city atty and the case was dismissed and they didn't pay a dime. I'd always explain that to them.
If I couldn't write them for no insurance or some other charge I'd try to explain that I noticed they weren't wearing their seatbelt *wink*wink*. It was only a $15 fine and they were happy to get out of a speeding ticket with a warning in exchange for no seatbelt.
Of course, lots of people got tickets because they earned them.
Bottom line, there's lots of reasons he may have handled the stop the way he did. Maybe he just likes to write chickenshit tickets. That's a possibility, too, and there are plenty of guys who do that. Just food for thought.
Thanks for the insight. I'm just frustrated because I think it was BS and then I'm confused by the outcome. He definitely *could* have written me a ticket for insurance, or even the taillight that I just noticed is burned out (on a 1 year old car... wtf?), but instead he chose the windshield? [Mad]
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2014, 22:04
While we're discussing BS, did they just change the law again so that an illuminated check engine light is an automatic fall on emissions?
Doesnt meanits it's a safety or emissions issues and on top of it it sure as hell doesn't mean our government should be able to give out tickets. That's chickenshit and so is any LEO that issues them out.
You missed Irvings question which was WAYYYY OT about EMISSIONS . It had or has no bearing on the actual thread.
hollohas
12-15-2014, 22:11
Can you get a ticket for expired insurance if your paper insurance card is expired but you still show valid and current digital proof of insurance???
Tinelement
12-15-2014, 22:13
I remember the first time was pulled over......
I was 10.
HoneyBadger
12-15-2014, 22:15
Can you get a ticket for expired insurance if your paper insurance card is expired but you still show valid and current digital proof of insurance???
Valid question. I'm not sure.
On second thought, they can write you a ticket for just about anything with ZERO justification. Then the burden is on you to defend yourself in court.
Can you get a ticket for expired insurance if your paper insurance card is expired but you still show valid and current digital proof of insurance???
I believe you can. It has something to do with one of the rules of operating a motor vehicle requires carrying(not just maintaining) valid proof of insurance. However, if you show you had valid insurance at the time of the stop, they'll just drop the violation.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-15-2014, 22:24
I've been in insurance for 12 years and I've never had an issue with any of our clients. That was probably a company thing. Out of curiosity, how many were you doing? :D
It was probably 2 / year x several years.
It didn't help that I claimed a new JK hardtop that had a baseball size "crush" damage spot.
My wife had two speeding tickets, I had the JK claim and I think one other minor accident years before.
At least we got the JK top out of them before they dropped us and they were pissed because they couldn't find one sans windows and had to pay extra. I'm sure that was the final straw, but when I marched into my agent's office complaining, he pulled my file and his first comments were on the windshields.
"Your son (his employee) said they were 'free' to us!!!"
Well they are, but enough dings you! I drive my 199X camry up to the mountains every year and it has been so pitted for a decade and you're claiming a new windshield every year! If I would have known I'd have said something.
"Yeah, well, your son did. That's why we claimed them all…"
I told him to up our rates and "fix it." He said he couldn't, it was all on underwriting in Greeley. Well, then I didn't feel so bad about that office getting shut down and all of them losing their jobs or having to transfer. Sorry I was so petty about it at that point, but, whatever. Edit: In the end it worked out awesome since we saved a bunch of money and got WAY more insurance coverage elsewhere. But now I pay for windshields.
Which company are you with?
This has always been our worry, we have State Farm and we usually wait until it gets a bit worse before replacing. Even doing that we probably do 3 or 4 a year on two vehicles. Never had a problem but if we did it every time we got a crack we'd probably be at 5 or 6 windshields, we really have bad luck.
We do get chips repaired immediately if we see them.
Yep, cabbage!
Oh, State Farm was nice enough to "let us keep" our home insurance. Haha, fawk off, the house goes with. I'd had them since residency right out of college too.
And ever since, I've paid cash on windshields. [Roll1] In fairness, I actually never did fix the chips, I'd just let them crack across the entire length and claim a new one.
In fact, I have a huge crack halfway across on my CTD right now. However, it basically only gets driven to bike races, camping, or in winter weather at this point. I'll deal with it come Spring, I suppose.
hollohas
12-15-2014, 22:24
I believe you can. It has something to do with one of the rules of operating a motor vehicle requires carrying(not just maintaining) valid proof of insurance. However, if you show you had valid insurance at the time of the stop, they'll just drop the violation.
That's my point. I carry my smart phone with me in the car at all times so technically I am carrying proof even if the paper copy is expired. Anyone familiar with the statutes? Is a digital insurance card valid proof? Cstone, I'm looking at you...
Dave_L is right in that it doesn't matter because they'll write you a ticket for whatever you want. I remember we had a friend back in the day that had one of the first Mitsubishi Evos in the state and would get pulled over for the FACTORY wing obstructing the view out the back window.
Caveat: I am not a Colorado Peace Officer
With that said, here is what I can provide:
From TITLE 10. INSURANCE
PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE
ARTICLE 4.PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE
PART 6. AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE POLICY - REGULATIONS
C.R.S. 10-4-604.5 (2014)
10-4-604.5. Issuance or renewal of insurance policies - proof of insurance provided by certificate, card, or other media
The insurance identification card may be provided in either paper or electronic format. Acceptable electronic formats include display of electronic images on a cellular phone or any other type of portable electronic device.
The charge normally listed on the summons is:
C.R.S. 42-4-1409 (2014)
42-4-1409. Compulsory insurance - penalty - legislative intent
(3) (a) When an accident occurs, or when requested to do so following any lawful traffic contact or during any traffic investigation by a peace officer, an owner or operator of a motor vehicle or low-power scooter shall present to the requesting officer immediate evidence of a complying policy or certificate of self-insurance in full force and effect as required by law.
(b) As used in this section, "evidence of a complying policy or certificate of self-insurance in full force and effect" includes the presentation of such a policy or certificate upon a cell phone or other electronic device.
(6) A person charged with violating subsection (1), (2), or (3) of this section shall not be convicted if the person produces in court a bona fide complying policy or certificate of self-insurance that was in full force and effect as required by law at the time of the alleged violation. The court clerk's office may dismiss the charge if it verifies that the person had a valid policy in effect at the time of the alleged violation using the uninsured motorist identification database created in section 42-7-602.
clublights
12-15-2014, 23:35
Didn't they in the last couple years link the insurance companies and the DMV computers together so the police can see if you have it or not on their computers ? I thought that happened ....
I remember the first time was pulled over......
I was 10.
I once handled a Chevy S-10 single cab vs telephone pole claim. The driver was 13 with 14 and 15 year-old passengers.
jerrymrc
12-16-2014, 07:09
Didn't they in the last couple years link the insurance companies and the DMV computers together so the police can see if you have it or not on their computers ? I thought that happened ....
Yes. When I bought my last car it was already in there system a week after I added the car. I had forgot the card when I went to the DMV.
GilpinGuy
12-16-2014, 07:20
I would never use my insurance to repair a windshield.
Why is that? I've used our ins for this baybe 4 times in 6 or 7 years and haven't had them raise rates or anything. And it's part of my coverage that I pay for, so why not?
GilpinGuy
12-16-2014, 07:24
Can you get a ticket for expired insurance if your paper insurance card is expired but you still show valid and current digital proof of insurance???
I'm not sure if, by law, digital proof is adequate, but I got into a wreck and didn't have my paper copy. I renewed a week or so before and just forgot to print it. I logged on and showed the State Trooper my phone and he was fine with it. It was funny too, because I had terrible cell coverage and it took forever to download.
I was just pulled over on my way home by a member of the El Paso County Sheriff's office.
This was the first time I've ever been pulled over and I legitimately didn't know why.
The officer was polite and respectful, as I tried to be throughout the encounter. This thread is not about cops. If it goes there, I'll ask the mods to shut it down.
The officer initially told me that he pulled me over because I failed to signal for a lane change and because I was driving with a cracked windshield. I immediately objected (as politely as I could) because I am very adamant about using a signal when changing lanes. It really ticks me off when people change lanes without signaling - just one of those things, I guess. I asked him where I committed the alleged offense and he pointed to the rough spot about 200yds behind our current location. I kind of stared at him in disbelief because I didn't know what to say. I gave him my license and registration, along with my insurance card (which expired on 5 Dec).
When he came back, I immediately apologized for the insurance card, which I knew was not up to date, and I showed him the up to date card on my phone. He brushed it off. He then handed me a ticket for $48.50 for the cracked windshield, didn't mention the alleged lane change without signal, and said he wasn't concerned with the insurance card. He asked if I had any questions. I asked how he could justify fining me $50 for a cracked windshield that in no way obscures the driver's vision. He gave me the whole "signing is not an admission of guilt" line and wouldn't offer any further explanation. He told me to be safe when I re-entered traffic and to have a nice day.
I'm kind of confused by the whole exchange.... Was he writing me a ticket for the windshield to pry some money out of my pocketbook when he knew the lane change thing was BS? Was he just being a nice guy and letting the lane change without a signal go (if I did, in fact, commit the alleged actions... I'm not perfect, but I'm pretty darn sure I used a signal. Like 99% sure.) and writing me a lesser ticket for the windshield? Why didn't he care about my insurance?
And now with that out in the open, is it possible and/or reasonable to fight the windshield ticket? It's basically a poor tax. Or a conspiracy with the county road commission that puts GRAVEL on the roads when it snows. Is there any chance I could go to court and not have to pay the windshield ticket? I really don't want to pay it because there is no principle reason to: driving with a cracked windshield like mine certainly does not endanger the public or submit innocent people to unnecessary dangers.
What do you guys think? Did I get a BS ticket? Was the LEO doing me a favor by ONLY writing me a windshield ticket? Can I fight this in court?
$50 is a bargain; mine was $79. Every encounter I had with LEO on the road was positive until I ran upon the windshield lady who pissed me off. It is hard to stomach the inconvenience and cash for something so stupid, but I guess it happens. However, the positive experiences certainly outweigh the negative ones. My LEO neighbor was rather funny though; his sentiment was the same as mine as he pointed out the crack in his department issued unmarked vehicle's windshield.
OneGuy67
12-16-2014, 08:28
I don't actually think crossing a solid white line (with care) is illegal.
Yes, it is. Crossing any solid line, be it white or yellow. That is why they paint solid white lines in construction zones to keep people from changing lanes.
OneGuy67
12-16-2014, 08:32
Can you get a ticket for expired insurance if your paper insurance card is expired but you still show valid and current digital proof of insurance???
They are allowing this now for proof if you don't have the current card. Also, the insurance companies report to the state and your registration information on his computer will also show it being valid or not.
muddywings
12-16-2014, 08:41
Just testing the waters...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/16/supreme-court-traffic-stop-search-ok-despite-mistake-law/
Great-Kazoo
12-16-2014, 09:17
Why is that? I've used our ins for this baybe 4 times in 6 or 7 years and haven't had them raise rates or anything. And it's part of my coverage that I pay for, so why not?
Likewise. It's one of the selling points outside the cost of coverage for what we receive. Maybe some people Aren't in Good hands.
I'm not trying to discourage anyone from using their coverage. I've never even checked if any of my policies cover windshields, but I highly doubt it. Anything like spent forgiveness, or free windshield repair comes at additional premium, and the low cost of a new windshield once every few years is not worth the price difference to me.
BushMasterBoy
12-16-2014, 09:59
Never put your amendment 64 bumper sticker next to your 2 amendment bumper sticker....
hollohas
12-16-2014, 10:17
Thanks for the responses on electronic proof of ins.
james_bond_007
12-16-2014, 10:24
Merry Christmas.
Here is an offer to spend $19 for a $100 off credit toward a new windshield.
It should offset the $50 fine...a fine with no 'points' I might add.
http://local.amazon.com/denver-north/B00QMQ01VE?src=email&cid=em_ss_101_101_na_s1_&ref_=pe_846640_129223560_auto_vfe_deals
BPTactical
12-16-2014, 10:40
He was just looking for something bigger.
Warrents, suspended license, a little beer on your breath or weed smell in your car.
And we have a winner!
Solid painted lines on the highway are known as regulatory and or channelization lines. They are intended to guide or regulate the flow of traffic in that given lane.
It is unlawful to cross them, signal or not.
City and County of Denver made millions on the old airport tunnels over I70. The lanes were channelization lanes and they would write scores of tickets in one day on them.
Question for the LEO folks on electronic proof of insurance: if you hand your phone to Joe Occifer have you given up any reasonable expectation of privacy regarding the content of said phone? Meaning if you hand it to him is that essentially consent for him to nose through it?
Aloha_Shooter
12-16-2014, 10:53
Meh, I've replaced windshields twice in 25 years. One was pitted from driving through a sandstorm and the other had a 3 foot crack that ran along the base of the windshield but didn't interfere with my vision. I think I drove with both windshields for a year or so before replacing them. Never had a squawk about it from USAA, in fact one of their reps seemed to be enthusiastic about fixing or replacing windshields rather than having people go suffer from the effects on their vision when driving into the sun (the pitted one was horrible when I drove to Falcon AFS in the morning).
Question for the LEO folks on electronic proof of insurance: if you hand your phone to Joe Occifer have you given up any reasonable expectation of privacy regarding the content of said phone? Meaning if you hand it to him is that essentially consent for him to nose through it?
Has that happened to you?
I'm not a lawyer, but like a lawyer, my answer is: That depends on the circumstances.
Consent is implied if you hand your phone to a LEO, however, under these cicumstances, your consent is specific and limited to the document you are showing the LEO. Like all consent, it can be withdrawn at any time, for any reason. When consent, the search should end and the phone should be returned. If however, seconds prior to consent being withdrawn, the LEO happens to glimpse your Kitty Porn, the LEO will maintain possession of the phone and obtain a search warrant to have the phone forensically examined and a good case built to obtain an arrest warrant for you.
I would think most cops would be OK with you showing them the doc on your phone and not need to handle the phone while doing so. After all, no one wants to accept a brand new iPhone 6 from someone, drop it and then be liable for replacement. [Flower]
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 11:33
Merry Christmas.
Here is an offer to spend $19 for a $100 off credit toward a new windshield.
It should offset the $50 fine...a fine with no 'points' I might add.
http://local.amazon.com/denver-north/B00QMQ01VE?src=email&cid=em_ss_101_101_na_s1_&ref_=pe_846640_129223560_auto_vfe_deals
Nice offer, but it's not usable with insurance, and using my insurance to replace would save me more than $100.
Is it seriously that difficult to keep your vehicle in proper functional order so you are NOT a target for BS tickets? The same thing goes for having valid registration, and insurance documentation in your vehicle.
People who whine about getting BS tickets are usually the same people who have valid issues with their stuff (Cracked windshield, tail lights out, outdated documentation, etc). There IS a price to being a lazy ass in maintaining your vehicle or documentation. If you don't want to be a target for these kind of tickets, then maintain your stuff properly so you are NOT a target.
Your argument falls a bit flat when the first thing you do is acknowledge that the tickets are indeed BS.
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 12:23
Is it seriously that difficult to keep your vehicle in proper functional order so you are NOT a target for BS tickets? The same thing goes for having valid registration, and insurance documentation in your vehicle.
People who whine about getting BS tickets are usually the same people who have valid issues with their stuff (Cracked windshield, tail lights out, outdated documentation, etc). There IS a price to being a lazy ass in maintaining your vehicle or documentation. If you don't want to be a target for these kind of tickets, then maintain your stuff properly so you are NOT a target.
Really? So you think having a cracked windshield is a legitimate public safety concern? Oh nevermind, you admitted that it was BS. [LOL]
Also, thanks for calling me a lazy ass, but did it occur to you that maybe I don't have an extra $410 for a new windshield? (That was the safelite quote, btw) What if the windshield crack had occured that same day and it was not possible to get it fixed before I was pulled over? You still think that's my fault for being a "lazy ass"? What if the crack in my windshild has nothing to do with laziness, and maybe has to do with being fiscally responsible: I wasn't planning on replacing the windshield until Spring because the likelyhood of another crack during the winter is high and my family needs that money for more important things.
Honestly, if you are modifiying your behavior so as to not be a "target" for the police (as you said above) then congratulations - you live in a police state. Carry on about your day, citizen. [Shake]
Aloha_Shooter
12-16-2014, 12:28
I don't have an extra $410 for a new windshield? (That was the safelite quote, btw)
HB, do you have USAA? They will generally replace the windshield for free because it's cheaper than the ensuing accident if it breaks while you're driving.
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 12:30
HB, do you have USAA? They will generally replace the windshield for free because it's cheaper than the ensuing accident if it breaks while you're driving.
I will look into that. But first, I need to look into Falcon AFS... ;)
Thanks for the tip, I'll let you know what they say.
Aloha_Shooter
12-16-2014, 12:32
I will look into that. But first, I need to look into Falcon AFS... ;).
Pfffftttt ... I told you I was an old fart. I'm proud to have been a 20XX before we got jammed in with the coneheads and that penitentiary out east will always be Falcatraz to me.
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 12:34
Pfffftttt ... I told you I was an old fart. I'm proud to have been a 20XX before we got jammed in with the coneheads and that penitentiary out east will always be Falcatraz to me.
FWIW, when we met, I didn't think you looked very old. [Beer]
It does not matter if the tickets are BS or not. There are many laws that allow the enforcement of BS tickets. That is the world we live in and that fact isn't going to change just because we don't like BS tickets. If you don't want to get shafted with a BS ticket then don't be a target for them. Or you can CHOOSE to be a target for BS tickets by not keeping your car maintained or documentation in order and take the risk on getting a ticket for valid violations of the law. If you choose to be a lazy ass and get nabbed for it, you really don't have a leg to stand on when you whine about it.
Its amazing how I have never gotten a BS ticket like this because I DO keep my vehicles properly maintained and have my documentation updated and available when requested. I have been pulled over for valid reasons, like speeding or changing lanes without a signal, several times and ended up not getting a ticket for anything. Did I deserve a ticket for the violations I performed? Hell Yes. I honestly can't tell you why I didn't get a ticket in the few instances where I didn't get one. But I think that being honest, polite and respectful to the officer regardless of the situation and having my vehicle in proper functioning order along with my documentation in proper order goes a long way in lessening my chances of being a Target for a ticket. Personally I think that a lot of the officers are looking for bigger fish to fry and simply want to see if you have outstanding warrants or crap like that when they run your info.
BlasterBob
12-16-2014, 12:59
A cop once told me that a cracked/broken windshield has a lot to do with the integrity or lack of the integrity of the top of the vehicle being crushed in the event of a roll-over. Sounds right to me.
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 13:02
It does not matter if the tickets are BS or not. There are many laws that allow the enforcement of BS tickets. That is the world we live in and that fact isn't going to change just because we don't like BS tickets. If you don't want to get shafted with a BS ticket then don't be a target for them. Or you can CHOOSE to be a target for BS tickets by not keeping your car maintained or documentation in order and take the risk on getting a ticket for valid violations of the law. If you choose to be a lazy ass and get nabbed for it, you really don't have a leg to stand on when you whine about it.
Its amazing how I have never gotten a BS ticket like this because I DO keep my vehicles properly maintained and have my documentation updated and available when requested. I have been pulled over for valid reasons, like speeding or changing lanes without a signal, several times and ended up not getting a ticket for anything. Did I deserve a ticket for the violations I performed? Hell Yes. I honestly can't tell you why I didn't get a ticket in the few instances where I didn't get one. But I think that being honest, polite and respectful to the officer regardless of the situation and having my vehicle in proper functioning order along with my documentation in proper order goes a long way in lessening my chances of being a Target for a ticket. Personally I think that a lot of the officers are looking for bigger fish to fry and simply want to see if you have outstanding warrants or crap like that when they run your info.
LOL typical statist.
Also, the guy didn't have probable cause to pull me over in the first place and he lied about it. Go ahead and defend those actions while you're at it. [dig]
A cop once told me that a cracked/broken windshield has a lot to do with the integrity or lack of the integrity of the top of the vehicle being crushed in the event of a roll-over. Sounds right to me.
A cop once told me that "This is a no-fault state, so no one is at fault, you have to transport your pistol unloaded and locked in a container in the trunk, and that I HAVE to get a ticket for...something." ;)
But there probably is merit to the windshield thing.
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 13:09
But there probably is merit to the windshield thing.
There is definitely validity to the windshield adding strength to the shell of the vehicle, but take a step back and ask yourself: is it the government's responsibility to ensure you are making good choices?
Kind of the same as seatbelt laws I think. If I don't wear a seatbelt (Note: I always do, because it's a useful and proven safety feature), would it affect anyone else? Is my windshield crack affecting anyone else or endangering the public?
There is definitely validity to the windshield adding strength to the shell of the vehicle, but take a step back and ask yourself: is it the government's responsibility to ensure you are making good choices?
Kind of the same as seatbelt laws I think. If I don't wear a seatbelt (Note: I always do, because it's a useful and proven safety feature), would it affect anyone else? Is my windshield crack affecting anyone else or endangering the public?
Yes, it could be argued, perhaps not as easily as the seat belt analogy. What's the point though? We're all in agreement.
BPTactical
12-16-2014, 13:46
I'll give ya "Kitty Porn"53769
Aloha_Shooter
12-16-2014, 13:49
Is my windshield crack affecting anyone else or endangering the public?
Yes, to the extent that at some point the crack endangers the safe operation of the vehicle due to the likelihood of it suffering catastrophic failure while in motion. THAT depends on the size and location of the crack and is really a value judgment. Like I said, I drove a truck with a 3 ft crack for over a year but it was my secondary vehicle and was in a location where it neither interfered with my field of view nor did it look like it was in danger of catastrophic failure. In your case, it probably wasn't that serious either but there is a hook for government interest and therefore intervention.
There is definitely validity to the windshield adding strength to the shell of the vehicle, but take a step back and ask yourself: is it the government's responsibility to ensure you are making good choices?
Kind of the same as seatbelt laws I think. If I don't wear a seatbelt (Note: I always do, because it's a useful and proven safety feature), would it affect anyone else? Is my windshield crack affecting anyone else or endangering the public?
If you're an illegal alien with 12 kids in the car, all without seatbelts, and you smash into the Taco Bell, and all your kids hit the windshield, and the windshield breaks, and half your kids smash into the side of the Taco Bell, who's gonna pay for their ER bill?
wctriumph
12-16-2014, 14:16
While we're discussing BS, did they just change the law again so that an illuminated check engine light is an automatic fall on emissions?
Mine has been illuminated for years, dealer can't clear it, they just said that everything checks out. I just went through the emissions check and no one said anything and the truck passed with flying colors.
Speaking of cars,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LLZuP7in8
HoneyBadger
12-16-2014, 14:35
Yes, to the extent that at some point the crack endangers the safe operation of the vehicle due to the likelihood of it suffering catastrophic failure while in motion.
Is there a single documented case of this? Since this thread has pretty much run it's course, it's now fair game to go off topic. [Neene3]
Honey Badger, I feel your frustration. Not to put words in your mouth, but I have been in your shoes and what upset me the most was how seemingly arbitrary the whole thing was. If I broke the law (changing lanes without signaling) then write me a ticket for that. If not, or if the officer wasn't sure, well then apologize for the mistake and let me go on about my day. Yes, I get the system is all about generating money, but maybe it's time for us to collectively ask for a new system.
Great-Kazoo
12-17-2014, 05:01
Honey Badger, I feel your frustration. Not to put words in your mouth, but I have been in your shoes and what upset me the most was how seemingly arbitrary the whole thing was. If I broke the law (changing lanes without signaling) then write me a ticket for that. If not, or if the officer wasn't sure, well then apologize for the mistake and let me go on about my day. Yes, I get the system is all about generating money, but maybe it's time for us to collectively ask for a new system.
Only if you loot, commit arson and cry racism will you get noticed. Law abiding people dont, so don't hold your breath.
Great-Kazoo
12-17-2014, 05:01
IBTL
HoneyBadger
12-17-2014, 10:23
Honey Badger, I feel your frustration. Not to put words in your mouth, but I have been in your shoes and what upset me the most was how seemingly arbitrary the whole thing was. If I broke the law (changing lanes without signaling) then write me a ticket for that. If not, or if the officer wasn't sure, well then apologize for the mistake and let me go on about my day. Yes, I get the system is all about generating money, but maybe it's time for us to collectively ask for a new system.
Pretty much sums it up.
Only if you loot, commit arson and cry racism will you get noticed. Law abiding people dont, so don't hold your breath.
Thanks for going there. Sadly true. IBTL not needed.
Great-Kazoo
12-17-2014, 10:40
Pretty much sums it up.
Thanks for going there. Sadly true. IBTL not needed.
I could see getting your cherry popped on a speeding ticket. BUT CRACKED WINDSHIELD [ROFL2] Wait till you get one of those I noticed you were not wearing a seat belt by the CSP . It's the admit you were speeding without them saying you were speeding, traps.
You noticed i wasn't wearing a seat belt? How could you have seen that when i passed you doing 89 oopsssss...........................
HoneyBadger
12-17-2014, 10:51
I could see getting your cherry popped on a speeding ticket. BUT CRACKED WINDSHIELD [ROFL2] Wait till you get one of those I noticed you were not wearing a seat belt by the CSP . It's the admit you were speeding without them saying you were speeding, traps.
You noticed i wasn't wearing a seat belt? How could you have seen that when i passed you doing 89 oopsssss...........................
This is not the first time I've ever been pulled over... but it is the first time i've been pulled over without a legitimate reason. I'm sure it won't be the last time... I will be pissed though if I get pulled over for the cracked windshield again. We are about to drive to Michigan and don't have time to replace it before then.
Great-Kazoo
12-17-2014, 10:53
This is not the first time I've ever been pulled over... but it is the first time i've been pulled over without a legitimate reason.
Ticket, sorry receiving a ticket. It's a money game, we like Mongo are just pawns in Game of Life
HoneyBadger
12-17-2014, 11:09
Ticket, sorry receiving a ticket. It's a money game, we like Mongo are just pawns in Game of Life
Yeah, i've paid tickets before... when I was caught breaking a legitimate law.
[Coffee]
HoneyBadger
12-17-2014, 11:10
we like Mongo are just pawns in Game of Life
Also, that is one of my favorite lines. Right behind "Excuse me while I whip this out..." [ROFL1]
HoneyBadger
12-17-2014, 16:50
Is it seriously that difficult to keep your vehicle in proper functional order so you are NOT a target for BS tickets? The same thing goes for having valid registration, and insurance documentation in your vehicle.
People who whine about getting BS tickets are usually the same people who have valid issues with their stuff (Cracked windshield, tail lights out, outdated documentation, etc). There IS a price to being a lazy ass in maintaining your vehicle or documentation. If you don't want to be a target for these kind of tickets, then maintain your stuff properly so you are NOT a target.
It does not matter if the tickets are BS or not. There are many laws that allow the enforcement of BS tickets. That is the world we live in and that fact isn't going to change just because we don't like BS tickets. If you don't want to get shafted with a BS ticket then don't be a target for them. Or you can CHOOSE to be a target for BS tickets by not keeping your car maintained or documentation in order and take the risk on getting a ticket for valid violations of the law. If you choose to be a lazy ass and get nabbed for it, you really don't have a leg to stand on when you whine about it.
Its amazing how I have never gotten a BS ticket like this because I DO keep my vehicles properly maintained and have my documentation updated and available when requested. I have been pulled over for valid reasons, like speeding or changing lanes without a signal, several times and ended up not getting a ticket for anything. Did I deserve a ticket for the violations I performed? Hell Yes. I honestly can't tell you why I didn't get a ticket in the few instances where I didn't get one. But I think that being honest, polite and respectful to the officer regardless of the situation and having my vehicle in proper functioning order along with my documentation in proper order goes a long way in lessening my chances of being a Target for a ticket. Personally I think that a lot of the officers are looking for bigger fish to fry and simply want to see if you have outstanding warrants or crap like that when they run your info.
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rock_castle
12-19-2014, 18:09
There are so many more important laws to enforce and serious criminals to apprehend. I usually back law enforcement, but this was a waste of taxpayer money. Shame on that Dougco deputy.
HoneyBadger
04-06-2016, 10:42
did it occur to you that maybe I don't have an extra $410 for a new windshield? (That was the safelite quote, btw)
I just found this thread while searching for something else and I thought an update was due: I got the windshield replaced yesterday. Yes, 5 April, 2016. [LOL] It was only $245.35 here in CA, and that includes stupid CA taxes and a $6 "Safe Driving California" fee (I'll just leave that one alone. [Shake]). Windshield pricing in Colorado is definitely a racket.
What I was actually looking for was the political stance of Safelite - I had remembered somebody posting that Safelite was anti-gun, but searching only pulled up one of my own posts declaring that "Safelite is very anti-gun".
It's 2 years later. You never mentioned Make/Model/Year in the thread (or did I miss it somewhere?). The volume of production and availability has a lot to do with price. If you need a Chevy/GMC/Cadillac Truck windshield in CO, it'll likely cost you $150 or less with installation. If you have a vehicle with limited production and/or a number of sensors or heating in the windshield, it'll cost ya'.
I just found this thread while searching for something else and I thought an update was due: I got the windshield replaced yesterday. Yes, 5 April, 2016. [LOL] It was only $245.35 here in CA, and that includes stupid CA taxes and a $6 "Safe Driving California" fee (I'll just leave that one alone. [Shake]). Windshield pricing in Colorado is definitely a racket.
What I was actually looking for was the political stance of Safelite - I had remembered somebody posting that Safelite was anti-gun, but searching only pulled up one of my own posts declaring that "Safelite is very anti-gun".
Did you +1 the post for more legitimacy
HoneyBadger
04-06-2016, 13:54
It's 2 years later. You never mentioned Make/Model/Year in the thread (or did I miss it somewhere?). The volume of production and availability has a lot to do with price. If you need a Chevy/GMC/Cadillac Truck windshield in CO, it'll likely cost you $150 or less with installation. If you have a vehicle with limited production and/or a number of sensors or heating in the windshield, it'll cost ya'.
Just in case you were actually curious, it is a 2014 Xterra, which has the same windshield as all Xterras going back more than a decade. No fancy windshield heaters or anything. I guess there could have been a shortage at that time. [Dunno]
I realize it is a year and a half later, but I do believe that there is something a little suspect about El Paso county putting down gravel on the roads in winter instead of salt, chemicals, or even just sand (like most of the Midwest does).
That's Colorado in general that "sands" its roads with gravel. Why bother screening the stuff when the motorists have to deal with it? [fail]
The Xterra is not a high volume vehicle. The Numbers Behind The Nissan Xterra’s Demise (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/nissan-xterra-dead-numbers-behind-nissan-offroaders-demise/)
...69,714 sales over a four-year period between 2011 and 2014...
Just to throw out a relative number, GM sold 741,588 Chevy/GMC trucks in 2014 alone. That doesn't include the truck based SUVs.
The higher volume of manufacture tends to reduce the cost of manufacturing.
Who knows, maybe 2014 was a bad year for Xterra windshield production. Maybe they're only made every other year or something? [Dunno]
(http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/nissan-xterra-dead-numbers-behind-nissan-offroaders-demise/)
I am on grace period on one of my vehicle.
2nd year having this vehicle, and I need to cough up $$$$ for renewal.
GilpinGuy
04-06-2016, 20:49
April 1st my wife remembered that her car registration (aka tax) was due in February, so all of March was the grace period. $40 fine fore being a day late. Son of a...
gnihcraes
04-06-2016, 20:58
I'm hesitant to put my new tags on the plates when the weather is super snowy or cold. Thought I had one more day before I was out of the grace. I had the stickers, just hadn't put them on.
Parking meter downtown. Bam. $75 ticket. F(&*CK
Time on the ticket was about 1 minute after I had left the car, dude sniped me, cuz I saw him walk by when I was parking the car. He came back just for that ticket. Dick.
I realized last year that I went a whole year without renewing the plates on one of my vehicles. Plates were due when I was going through shoulder surgery and got lost in the mix. Drove 1500 miles to Washington State and back with those expired plates and never was stopped. I was shocked when we put it all together and realized what had happened.
An expired tags ticket is cheaper than a renewal. Isn't that crazy?
The last couple cycles, we've let the tags expire on the truck that isn't driven that often. Let em go two years, then renew. Penalty caps out at $100.
I've saved quite a bit so far and haven't got a ticket yet. I don't recommend it, but when I do get a ticket someday, I'll still be out ahead. Crazy. (It still has 2014 tags on it, btw).
Many years ago in Texas, I would not renew and just wait till I got pulled over. When you showed up in court with new registration, they slapped you with a $10 fine for court costs. The bonus was that the DMV did not back-charge you for the months you were expired - just gave you new month and year stickers. I'd go anywhere from 3 to 9 months for free.
They caught me once at the DMV because you have to sign a statement that you have not driven the vehicle while it was expired. I signed the form and then realized I'd left my proof of insurance in my truck. I went out to get it and the DMV lady watched me through the front window. When I got back, she asked if that was the vehicle I was registering and then tore up my statement and back-charged me - cost of being stupid.
Later, they got smart and back-charged to your last registration expiration no-matter-what.
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