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Just a few days ago, someone took delivery of the first Challenger Hellcat sold in Colorado. Mr Wizard then takes it around a curve near Riverdale and Quebec in Thornton (ish) and pops a cottonwood tree LESS THAN AN HOUR OFF THE LOT....
http://www.tflcar.com/2014/12/first-2015-dodge-challenger-hellcat-sold-in-colorado-crashed/
wctriumph
12-22-2014, 11:49
Haahahahahahahahahaaa, glad everyone is unhurt, hahahahahahahaaaaa.
Fuckin' Dodges!
Driving an unfamiliar new car...at night...on a road with a reputation for catching the inattentive.
Totaled, or will that buff right out?
buffalobo
12-22-2014, 12:03
Driver showed his skill with 700hp. [emoji33]
Driving an unfamiliar new car...at night...on a road with a reputation for catching the inattentive.
with a solid power band there where lots of potentials that stacked up and did not end well glad everyone is ok.
Rooskibar03
12-22-2014, 12:11
That'll buff.
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah253/Rooskibar03/2C479AF8-31FA-4464-BAD2-38740E02653C_zpsf1dwz8jp.jpg (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/Rooskibar03/media/2C479AF8-31FA-4464-BAD2-38740E02653C_zpsf1dwz8jp.jpg.html)
I'd love to drop that engine into my truck.
RblDiver
12-22-2014, 12:41
Whelp, I'm guessing he's glad that you have to have insurance to take possession of the car from the dealer. Meanwhile, his premium just jumped through the roof...
Aloha_Shooter
12-22-2014, 12:45
Ouch. No need to jump on a bandwagon berating the owner/driver as I'm sure he's beating himself up pretty good all by his lonesome. Glad no one was killed or seriously injured.
Chad4000
12-22-2014, 13:06
The first motorcycle I ever bought... I'm 19, in college, thinking Im hot shit. told the whole dorm, everybody is out there watching me go for my first ride, laid it down in the parking lot... yep... you definitely beat yourself up lol
Well that's gotta be keeping him up at night... And this Christmas will be infamous among his family and friends, forever. Hope he gets to enjoy it again once fixed, at a more reasonable speed. ;)
Guess he couldn't DODGE that big fuckin tree!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
in other news, I have seen several nice cars crash on riverdale, including helping a girl get out of her rolled Mercedes that ended up upside down in the drainage ditch.
I would never admit to it, but I may or may not have seen in excess of 100mph on riverdale several times. now I just get pissed at all the stupid bicyclists that ride that road.
I'd love to drop that engine into my truck.
Think it's still good?
Think it's still good?
Eh. Probably. Probably just needs some brackets and pulleys and whatnot. Maybe a power steering pump and water pump or something.
Or maybe it smacked hard enough it drove the crank back and did some serious damage.
Who knows.
I heard a rumor they are going to offer a truck with that engine soon. I might have to check it out.
Eh. Probably. Probably just needs some brackets and pulleys and whatnot. Maybe a power steering pump and water pump or something.
Or maybe it smacked hard enough it drove the crank back and did some serious damage.
Who knows.
I heard a rumor they are going to offer a truck with that engine soon. I might have to check it out.
Thing would probably be a raptor killer!
blackford76
12-22-2014, 15:21
Thing would probably be a raptor killer!
Hell, even you precious Duracrap should be able to run with a Raptor...on pavement. Off road is a whole other story.
BushMasterBoy
12-22-2014, 15:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_gECAGXvE
blackford76
12-22-2014, 15:28
Hellcats, Super Snakes, ZR1's, seems like the people who can afford these cars can't drive them. Those of us who would love them for what they are, can't afford them.
Hellcats, Super Snakes, ZR1's, seems like the people who can afford these cars can't drive them. Those of us who would love them for what they are, can't afford them.
I think MSRP on the Hellcat is around $60K. I think most of the guys I work with spent about that much on their trucks.
blackford76
12-22-2014, 15:39
I think MSRP on the Hellcat is around $60K. I think most of the guys I work with spent about that much on their trucks.
Yes, starts at 60K. For a toy. You use your truck for work, can haul tools etc, and drive it year around. Optioned up they can be 80k, still cheaper than a ZR1 or Super Snake, but still.
Yes, starts at 60K. For a toy. You use your truck for work, can haul tools etc, and drive it year around. Optioned up they can be 80k, still cheaper than a ZR1 or Super Snake, but still.
700+ horsepower. What options could you need? [Coffee]
blackford76
12-22-2014, 15:45
An aftermarket suspension, bigger brakes. Driving lessons.[Beer]
Driving lessons.[Beer]
[ROFL2]
700+ horsepower. What options could you need? [Coffee]
An aftermarket suspension, bigger brakes. Driving lessons.[Beer]
[ROFL2]
Enough brain cells to make a spark?
blackford76
12-22-2014, 16:55
Enough brain cells to make a spark?
If they had brain cells, they would buy a Z06 Corvette.
ZERO THEORY
12-22-2014, 17:09
Thing would probably be a raptor killer!
Dodge already built one back in '12. The Ram Runner is an actual purpose-built off road package for less than a factory Craptor.
Hell, even you precious Duracrap should be able to run with a Raptor...on pavement. Off road is a whole other story.
The Raptor's really nothing to be impressed with off road, either.
If they had brain cells, they would buy a Z06 Corvette.
There's a good chance they wouldn't have survived that wreck.
blackford76
12-22-2014, 17:14
There's a good chance they wouldn't have survived that wreck.
And an even better chance they wouldn't have been in that wreck, Corvettes can turn.
A Toyota would have just drove over the tree...
blackford76
12-22-2014, 17:16
The Raptor's really nothing to be impressed with off road, either.
It isn't a rock crawler, but use it for what it was made for? Better have a helicopter if you want to keep up.
jerrymrc
12-22-2014, 17:17
HP + cold + summer only tires = crash. Once the Ins Co pulls the black box data or gets it from the po-po he is not going to like life.
blackford76
12-22-2014, 17:17
A Toyota would have just drove over the tree...
On the way home from crossfit?
On the way home from crossfit?
In that case, the Toyota would have kipped over the tree.
ZERO THEORY
12-22-2014, 17:37
It isn't a rock crawler, but use it for what it was made for? Better have a helicopter if you want to keep up.
They're notorious for the bed folding into the cab when they encounter rough terrain at speed or take jumps. It's marketed as a light-duty baja truck, but can't actually run dunes. It doesn't have the front end for technical trails. It's not meant to tow or haul anything serious. To be honest, I'm not really sure what it was made for other than contributing to GDP.
I own a 2005 GTO that makes 675 HP & TQ at the wheels. With that much power at your fingertips you have to use solid judgement when doing some "Spirited Driving". You also need to know what the limits are for the given conditions. If not, you will pay the ultimate price in a hurry. This guy got an expensive lesson in poor judgement.
Oh yeah and the $60K Dodge Hellcat makes 631 HP & 591 TQ at the wheels on a chassis dyno, which is a far cry from the claimed 707HP. This is pretty stout power but it also has a porky curb weight of 4439lbs......... My GTO is going to love slapping these things around in the summer on relaxing Sunday drives [Beer]
Whelp, I'm guessing he's glad that you have to have insurance to take possession of the car from the dealer. Meanwhile, his premium just jumped through the
I once handled a claim where a guy drove a car off the lot, wrecked it that night, but then the loan was denied, so it was never his car at all, and the dealership's insurance had to deal with the whole mess.
Once the Ins Co pulls the black box data or gets it from the po-po he is not going to like life.
Neither the insurance company or the police will pull the black box, or even care what is on it.
jerrymrc
12-22-2014, 18:53
Neither the insurance company or the police will pull the black box, or even care what is on it.
If you say so. I know a friend that 20 min after his accident looked over and the police already had the briefcase on the hood with the cable plugged into the OBD port pulling data off the car. This was 3-4 months ago.
OtterbatHellcat
12-22-2014, 19:07
Spirited Driving?
You either know what you're doing behind the wheel of a race version (or actual race car) vehicle... "for real"......or you simply don't. A checkbook makes that difference....not.
What a sad sight. I've been waiting on mine to show up for what seems like an eternity.
I own a 2005 GTO that makes 675 HP & TQ at the wheels. With that much power at your fingertips you have to use solid judgement when doing some "Spirited Driving". You also need to know what the limits are for the given conditions. If not, you will pay the ultimate price in a hurry. This guy got an expensive lesson in poor judgement.
Oh yeah and the $60K Dodge Hellcat makes 631 HP & 591 TQ at the wheels on a chassis dyno, which is a far cry from the claimed 707HP. This is pretty stout power but it also has a porky curb weight of 4439lbs......... My GTO is going to love slapping these things around in the summer on relaxing Sunday drives [Beer]
Your claimed 631hp to the wheels is a bit more than 707 to the crank (720+)...which is where manufacturers run their hp ratings. It won't take much more than a tune and some exhaust work for my Hellcat (soon as the sumbish gets here) to drag that little goat of yours down the pavement.
I've never once heard of either insurance, or the police caring, unless there was a fatality and it wasn't clear who was doing what. I don't even believe your friend actually (sorry).
Edit: Now my interest is piqued. I bet MarkCo can shed some more light for us.
Hell, even you precious Duracrap should be able to run with a Raptor...on pavement. Off road is a whole other story.
Yeah the raptor wouldn't stand a chance then.[ROFL2]
They're notorious for the bed folding into the cab when they encounter rough terrain at speed or take jumps. It's marketed as a light-duty baja truck, but can't actually run dunes. It doesn't have the front end for technical trails. It's not meant to tow or haul anything serious. To be honest, I'm not really sure what it was made for other than contributing to GDP.
The only guy I know that has one did tell me it snorts pretty good pulling his 23' travel trailer and gear. I told him my big D doesn't even know there is anything behind it
What a sad sight. I've been waiting on mine to show up for what seems like an eternity.
Your claimed 631hp to the wheels is a bit more than 707 to the crank (720+)...which is where manufacturers run their hp ratings. It won't take much more than a tune and some exhaust work for my Hellcat (soon as the sumbish gets here) to drag that little goat of yours down the pavement.
You got one incoming?
Snowman78
12-22-2014, 20:01
I've never once heard of either insurance, or the police caring, unless there was a fatality and it wasn't clear who was doing what. I don't even believe your friend actually (sorry).
Edit: Now my interest is piqued. I bet MarkCo can shed some more light for us.
I agree, I have only ever had one claim where data was pulled. It was a Toyota enginee looking at air bag data.
Anyone who is paranoid about using the plug-in monitor to lower your rates on your driving, we were told that the company would only pull data from their module if they were issued a subpoena.
Yep, trading the 392 in.
Nice!
jerrymrc
12-22-2014, 20:11
Anyone who is paranoid about using the plug-in monitor to lower your rates on your driving, we were told that the company would only pull data from their module if they were issued a subpoena.
Got 30% off with that but it looks like I will be switching to another because even with a spotless driving record and 1-$200 comp claim in the last 20 years they just keep raising the rates.
Got 30% off with that but it looks like I will be switching to another because even with a spotless driving record and 1-$200 comp claim in the last 20 years they just keep raising the rates.
Yeah, don't take rates personal, they move rates around all the time.
Graves, what is a 392?
jerrymrc
12-22-2014, 20:19
Graves, what is a 392?
Now that IS funny. 392 replaced the 354 back before I was born. the 392 was the beginning of hemi-head domination in top fuel. Since it was always a revered engine that pre dated the 426 they brought back the nostalgia for us old farts.[Flower]
Somebody with more money than sense tried to get sporty with an unfamiliar muscle car and meets a cottonwood tree. Sounds about like the conclusion I would expect.
Now that IS funny. 392 replaced the 354 back before I was born. the 392 was the beginning of hemi-head domination in top fuel. Since it was always a revered engine that pre dated the 426 they brought back the nostalgia for us old farts.[Flower]
I figured it was a revolver that only Hoser would be familiar with.
If they had brain cells, they would buy a Z06 Corvette.
Z06 Corvette probably has a better center of gravity for better cornering.
bobbyfairbanks
12-23-2014, 09:08
Yup Im going to ridicule the driver because
I'm perfect
I would never make that mistake
I know how to drive
I once was told by a guy that said he was a pro how too
He just a rich ass hole that doesn't apprieciate anything.
The comments on that link kill me. Whatever happened unless he admits something happened. No one was hurt yet the state still charged him with are less driving. The state and the people that ridicule him disgust me.
Colorado_Outback
12-23-2014, 09:15
Your claimed 631hp to the wheels is a bit more than 707 to the crank (720+)...which is where manufacturers run their hp ratings. It won't take much more than a tune and some exhaust work for my Hellcat (soon as the sumbish gets here) to drag that little goat of yours down the pavement.
[ROFL1] 700 HP isnt all that fast anymore, especially when you only put it to two wheels.
Q8uzROpLwxk
Yup Im going to ridicule the driver because
I'm perfect
I would never make that mistake
I know how to drive
I once was told by a guy that said he was a pro how too
He just a rich ass hole that doesn't apprieciate anything.
The comments on that link kill me. Whatever happened unless he admits something happened. No one was hurt yet the state still charged him with are less driving. The state and the people that ridicule him disgust me.
I went around that corner last night for giggles. I feel it is safe to say it is pretty stupid to take that corner over 45 or so unless you KNOW what you are doing. Skid marks clearly show more than 45, as does the front end of the car. The corner is clearly marked with sharp turn signs.
Playing the rolling start chase game on the highway is pretty dangerous. As most of you already know, most of the highways here in Colorado are pretty bumpy anyway. Those annoying bumps and humps at 75 MPH can be very dangerous at 120+ MPH. You also have the factor of not being able to effectively change lanes or drive defensively when the normal traffic changes lanes or flips out because they are getting passed at twice their speed.
Once again, with that much power on tap sound judgement needs to be used when you want to unleash the beast.
The older I get the less I drive my GTO because I know its inherent potential for doing damage to myself, others, insurance, or whatever else if I drive it like a donkey. I am actually thinking of selling it...... Anyone interested in buying it???
If someone wants to drive fast. Join NASA Pro Racing, or go to open track days High Plains every Friday. Lots of cheap places for going fast. NASA is stupid cheap for what you get. Way safer than doing this crap on the streets.
For the record, I've done a lot of stupid crap on the streets. So I'm not throwing stones here. But there are great options for going fast these days. Legally that is.
[ROFL1] 700 HP isnt all that fast anymore, especially when you only put it to two wheels.
Q8uzROpLwxk
Yeah okay. I'm alright with being down a couple hundred ponies, because with the hellcat I won't feel as if I've dumped $100k on a boy racer version of the maxima and at least half that to make it faster. I've ran into those guys at a local meet & greet or two. They are stupid fast but cars like that are very few and far between here. In fact, that video showcases the majority of street rides of that caliber in this neck of the woods.
68Charger
12-23-2014, 16:52
Yeah, I'd rather spend much less doing a resto-mod on my '68... But to each their own...
Jefe's AR
12-23-2014, 18:17
I live up the road.
From another forum I post in.
Went and took some pics of the Dodge Hellcat vs. tree scene.
Lots of people have died on this road. Many right in this spot. And is also supposed to be haunted.
http://www.paranormalstoriescolorado.com/2011/10/07/riverdale-road/
The Hellcat hit the last tree which is out of the ordinary and may be the first to hit it. There doesn't seem to be much damage to it beyond what the Hellcat did. As you can see, the other trees have been hit a lot over the years.
http://motorsportstalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/dodge-challenger-hellcat-wreck-e1419190981702.jpg
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/ColoTJ/IMG_1908_zpse7c8007e.jpg
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I won a GoPro last Summer. This is the first video/editing I did. I just took a quick drive down part of Riverdale Rd. with the camera to get something to work with.
You can see the turn at 2:17 and then again at 2:50 on my return. The 2:17 is the same direction the Hellcat was traveling when it hit the tree. It's the last tree on the left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBOebshe7kA
OtterbatHellcat
12-23-2014, 18:28
Nice pics and video action there....Jefe's AR.
Yeah okay. I'm alright with being down a couple hundred ponies, because with the hellcat I won't feel as if I've dumped $100k on a boy racer version of the maxima and at least half that to make it faster. I've ran into those guys at a local meet & greet or two. They are stupid fast but cars like that are very few and far between here. In fact, that video showcases the majority of street rides of that caliber in this neck of the woods.
Yup.
People look at the numbers too much. It is not all about HP and torque. That is why merely 475HP Porsche GT3 kicks ass on circuit compare to cars with 125more HP.
I like GTRs. One thing I did not like (compare to 1000 things i do like) is that it is very/too forgiving.
Colorado_Outback
12-23-2014, 20:54
Yeah okay. I'm alright with being down a couple hundred ponies, because with the hellcat I won't feel as if I've dumped $100k on a boy racer version of the maxima and at least half that to make it faster. I've ran into those guys at a local meet & greet or two. They are stupid fast but cars like that are very few and far between here. In fact, that video showcases the majority of street rides of that caliber in this neck of the woods.
My point was more to traction, not power.
Like you saw in the video 500hp rwd cars had no traction(even from 40 or 50 roll..). I guess I could see owning a 500hp+ rwd if I lived some where that was warm enough to really enjoy driving it. Cold pavement+DOT tires+700hp= a lot of traction control light and/or wheelspin.
To me the Hell cat is more about looking cool and that HP number.
^ that too.
I live on car forum as well (surprisingly not active onGTRforums). One of the best examples are SLS AMG and C63AMG Black Series.
Great horsepower, but it has very little traction. Some of those torquy cars tried their best to make it linear power/torque band. With having a monster bore/stroke, I don't know it is possible to make it a smooth linear.
Personally, if I have 600+ HP, I would not buy front mounted engine. I would go for mid or maybe rear (Some 9xx model porsche).
As for some high rollers out here, they can buy a 195+ HP Mugen Honda Engine on a F3 car. *drool*
https://www.s2kca.com/S2000/showthread.php?21363-My-Mugen-Honda-Formula-3-Racecar-UPDATE!!!
http://i57.tinypic.com/2vw8az9.jpg
(Or, if someone wants to go all-in , go with Jordan Mugen Honda 3.0 V10) [LOL]
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k310/fast_honda/Untitled8.jpg
Colorado_Outback
12-23-2014, 22:58
Wow ^^ I really didn't need to see that link, there gos the next hour + of my life..
What a sad sight. I've been waiting on mine to show up for what seems like an eternity.
Your claimed 631hp to the wheels is a bit more than 707 to the crank (720+)...which is where manufacturers run their hp ratings. It won't take much more than a tune and some exhaust work for my Hellcat (soon as the sumbish gets here) to drag that little goat of yours down the pavement.
Don't forget about a pretty massive diet, gonna take more than a tune and some pipes to overcome a 714lb weight disadvantage. Much fat on that lady.
hurley842002
12-24-2014, 10:57
The older I get the less I drive my GTO because I know its inherent potential for doing damage to myself, others, insurance, or whatever else if I drive it like a donkey. I am actually thinking of selling it...... Anyone interested in buying it???
The GTO is one of my favorite recent (ish) production cars. I'd love to have it, unfortunately a car of this style and performance is still about 18 years away for me, having a 7 week old and a 19 month old lol.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-24-2014, 11:09
I live on car forum as well (surprisingly not active onGTRforums). One of the best examples are SLS AMG and C63AMG Black Series.
Boy I would love a C63AMG in 2 door. I've been pushing my wife on that for years.
But I'm not doing anything like this in it. Could I use a fraction of the power appropriately? Nope.
Don't forget about a pretty massive diet, gonna take more than a tune and some pipes to overcome a 714lb weight disadvantage. Much fat on that lady.
Not forgetting forgetting anything when I say this...No it wont. This isn't your typical platform with an extra 15-30hp on the table left by the ecm.
Not forgetting forgetting anything when I say this...No it wont. This isn't your typical platform with an extra 15-30hp on the table left by the ecm.
714 stock vs stock. Depending on the desired level of comfort, a GTO can be brought down to sub 3000lbs with minimal effort. And still be legal and daily driven. May take a LOT more than a tune and pipes to overcome that. I know for a fact there are some in town with similar power that are approaching 3k.
speedysst
12-25-2014, 18:07
"Yup Im going to ridicule the driver because
I'm perfect
I would never make that mistake
I know how to drive
I once was told by a guy that said he was a pro how too
He just a rich ass hole that doesn't apprieciate anything.
The comments on that link kill me. Whatever happened unless he admits something happened. No one was hurt yet the state still charged him with are less driving. The state and the people that ridicule him disgust me."
Yup Im gonna ridicule the driver because:
Im not perfect but Ive never run into a tree
I know how to drive, hence the never running into a tree, ditch, other vehicle.
No one has to tell me to slow down when there's a turn in the roadway.
He most certainly seems like a rich, unskilled, careless asshole.
jerrymrc
12-25-2014, 21:52
"Yup Im going to ridicule the driver because
I'm perfect
I would never make that mistake
I know how to drive
I once was told by a guy that said he was a pro how too
He just a rich ass hole that doesn't apprieciate anything.
The comments on that link kill me. Whatever happened unless he admits something happened. No one was hurt yet the state still charged him with are less driving. The state and the people that ridicule him disgust me."
Yup Im gonna ridicule the driver because:
Im not perfect but Ive never run into a tree
I know how to drive, hence the never running into a tree, ditch, other vehicle.
No one has to tell me to slow down when there's a turn in the roadway.
He most certainly seems like a rich, unskilled, careless asshole.
OK then how about we put it like this. ANYONE that would buy a high performance car and wreck it by over-correcting and hitting a tree less than a couple of hours after taking possession needs to sue the manufacture for selling him a defective car.
Sorry but I started racing at 12. I have never had a chargeable accident on the street. Been known to play in some of those same twisties up there with old, ill handling muscle cars. Most modern cars are so forgiving it is not even funny. To stuff something like that into a tree tells me more balls than skill and that is a dangerous combination when your not playing a video game.
Just about everyone that plays with the new stuff understands that UHP summer tires and cold weather do not mix at all. It is a big, heavy car with a bunch of HP and a large polar movement of inertia. Once it looses grip and starts rotating it is not going to want to stop and changing the direction requires familiarity with it.
Anyone that plunks down that kind of money and thinks the machine makes him invincible needs to watch all those videos of stupid people winning stupid prizes. From the reports and pictures he took home first place.
Just my take on it. [beatdeadhorse]
KestrelBike
12-25-2014, 22:23
Heck, new tires on sport bikes probably catch a lot of newbies out in any kind of weather. Haha who am I kidding it's always a panic over throttle/clutch/brakes
Well, my duramax flew past there at 50 mph tonight in the snow while in 2wd. My conclusion is this guy sucked balls at driving.
One of my good customers died in a motorcycle crash on Riverdale road a few years back. RIP Bear!
hurley842002
12-25-2014, 23:13
Well, my duramax flew past there at 50 mph tonight in the snow while in 2wd. My conclusion is this guy sucked balls at driving.
Off topic but how much snow we getting up there so far? Figures we get some snow and I'm down in La Junta for the week.
At least 3" where I'm at. It's very light powder though.
hurley842002
12-25-2014, 23:19
At least 3" where I'm at. It's very light powder though.
I think you are down the road from me, so not too bad.
One of my good customers died in a motorcycle crash on Riverdale road a few years back. RIP Bear!
+1 for Bear. Ted was definitely one of a kind, and is sorely missed by many.
Off topic but how much snow we getting up there so far? Figures we get some snow and I'm down in La Junta for the week.
Some spots have 4-6" but I'd say 3" is the average. Mostly light fluffy stuff. A few icy spots but nothing bad at all.
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