Advice from all the fathers out there!

[lex137]

So my daughter is a almost 7 months old and tonight she cried for over an hour while I was trying to feed and put her to sleep, finally my wife stepped in and within 10 min she ate her bottle and fell asleep! I'm not going to pretend that I am a great dad or even a decent one, I realized that I need to put her to bed more than once in a blue moon. My wife let me get away with this because she no longer has to work, but she is now drained and needs help, which I am more than willing to do if she asks and there is the problem. I guess I am not intelligent or have the common sense to help out more, so I was hoping I could get some advice from some of the dads, stepdads, ext. If you could go back what would you help more with? I guess I'm just looking for suggestions to be a better father, and help the wife. I did a search on this subject, but not extensively and found nothing, so if there is already a thread started let me know, if not thanks for any advice. Thank you guys again!

[Irving]

I have the same problem. My wife can scream at our daughter all day long, and the kids lets it roll off her back. If I yell at her a little bit, she gets angry and is mad for an hour. It's all about time spent. Spend more time together, even a little at a time. When my wife isn't around, I can do everything with my daughter and she helps me and we are as thick as thieves. When Mom is around, kid goes to her, and I let mom do everything. This means that wife doesn't believe I'm capable of anything (I'm not when she's around) and kid doesn't hardly bother to ask me stuff if mom is around. It's a weird dynamic that sounds worse explaining than it really is. I think even starting to put kid to bed by reading to her for a few minutes every night is a good way to start. Even if mom has to come in and be the closer for the first few weeks, you have to start some where and that is as good a place as any. Good luck.

[driver]

When I lived with my ex and helped her raise her son I always focused on the kitchen. I like to cook and honestly kept it cleaner than she would have. Whatever you do be consistent. When she got used to something being taken care of by me and then I skipped it she would freak out cause it threw her all off then.

[killianak9]

First off congrats[emoji106][emoji106]
The biggest thing with our family was me giving wifey a break. That could be as little as an hour or ever 4. Take your daughter after feeding time and play, read, whatever!
Try to learn the routine of the day when you are home and dedicate that time for you and baby.
Helpful for the wife is ALONE time,
Plan for her to have time to herself to do what ever, get her nails done, go food shopping, meet her friends for happy hour, sleep, ect...
My wife was part of a mommy group that met once a month or so to ( insert whatever they do). Happy wife is happy life.. Simple shit like run the dish washer and vacuuming, tidy up after the kiddo.
That's what's worked for us! We have two girls 2& 9mo. My hot rod and gun addition is non issue, as it shouldn't be.[emoji41]

[Irving]

When I lived with my ex and helped her raise her son I always focused on the kitchen. I like to cook and honestly kept it cleaner than she would have. Whatever you do be consistent. When she got used to something being taken care of by me and then I skipped it she would freak out cause it threw her all off then.

We're the same way. When I don't do what I usually do, it's a big deal for her. Same as when she doesn't do what she does. Even without doing it on purpose, you become a team and start to rely on each other.


First off congrats[emoji106][emoji106]
The biggest thing with our family was me giving wifey a break. That could be as little as an hour or ever 4. Take your daughter after feeding time and play, read, whatever!
Try to learn the routine of the day when you are home and dedicate that time for you and baby.
Helpful for the wife is ALONE time,
Plan for her to have time to herself to do what ever, get her nails done, go food shopping, meet her friends for happy hour, sleep, ect...
My wife was part of a mommy group that met once a month or so to ( insert whatever they do). Happy wife is happy life.. Simple shit like run the dish washer and vacuuming, tidy up after the kiddo.
That's what's worked for us! We have two girls 2& 9mo. My hot rod and gun addition is non issue, as it shouldn't be.[emoji41]

I would always get into trouble for not being able to engage the kiddo for long enough for wife to do her thing. Not as big of a deal now that she's older, but I remember wife trying to work out in the other room and coming to yell at me because something I did made the baby cry and she would go run to mom. Or more likely, I'd get caught up on here and not engage and baby would end up where ever mom was. Again, not as difficult to manage now, but something to keep in mind. We all fall into a routine and it can be difficult to break out of it, but family is worth it.

[killianak9]

We're the same way. When I don't do what I usually do, it's a big deal for her. Same as when she doesn't do what she does. Even without doing it on purpose, you become a team and start to rely on each other.



I would always get into trouble for not being able to engage the kiddo for long enough for wife to do her thing. Not as big of a deal now that she's older, but I remember wife trying to work out in the other room and coming to yell at me because something I did made the baby cry and she would go run to mom. Or more likely, I'd get caught up on here and not engage and baby would end up where ever mom was. Again, not as difficult to manage now, but something to keep in mind. We all fall into a routine and it can be difficult to break out of it, but family is worth it.

100% agree man. That was me with our first kid. Our two year old could careless ( that just started in the last two months ) but your right the baby till that age, she is a shadow. All they want to do is learn and be with Ya.
My wife travels for works and I have a home business, so I have been really lucky to raise our kids and be with them ALOT. We are very lucky/blessed to be able to not have either kid in day care and home with us this long!

[al_g]

I have the same problem. My wife can scream at our daughter all day long, and the kids lets it roll off her back. If I yell at her a little bit, she gets angry and is mad for an hour. It's all about time spent. Spend more time together, even a little at a time. When my wife isn't around, I can do everything with my daughter and she helps me and we are as thick as thieves. When Mom is around, kid goes to her, and I let mom do everything. This means that wife doesn't believe I'm capable of anything (I'm not when she's around) and kid doesn't hardly bother to ask me stuff if mom is around. It's a weird dynamic that sounds worse explaining than it really is. I think even starting to put kid to bed by reading to her for a few minutes every night is a good way to start. Even if mom has to come in and be the closer for the first few weeks, you have to start some where and that is as good a place as any. Good luck. Our son is just over three months and this already mirrors my experience. I've told my wife test I should video tape me and our son when she isn't in the house. Things are so much smoother.

On the same topic I've noticed that at times we get into a three way negative feedback loop. My wife is getting better or maybe I'm getting better but at first it was real common for her to make comments when I did things differently than her, or other nonverbal signals. I'd get nervous, which meant our son got fussy, and things just kept escalating.


One thing I'd do differently is take our son from her more, I was doing the majority of the house chores. Which may sound great, but it meant she did almost everything with him the first month. I didn't realize that she wanted me to do note directly with our son.

[Big John]

So my daughter is a almost 7 months old and tonight she cried for over an hour while I was trying to feed and put her to sleep, finally my wife stepped in and within 10 min she ate her bottle and fell asleep! I'm not going to pretend that I am a great dad or even a decent one, I realized that I need to put her to bed more than once in a blue moon. My wife let me get away with this because she no longer has to work, but she is now drained and needs help, which I am more than willing to do if she asks and there is the problem. I guess I am not intelligent or have the common sense to help out more, so I was hoping I could get some advice from some of the dads, stepdads, ext. If you could go back what would you help more with? I guess I'm just looking for suggestions to be a better father, and help the wife. I did a search on this subject, but not extensively and found nothing, so if there is already a thread started let me know, if not thanks for any advice. Thank you guys again!Make sure that if you get upset during these trying times to put the baby down and walk away for a minute or ten. Crying in general will not hurt the baby.

I went through this with my middle boy about 17 years ago. Mom needed sleep and he just wasn't having any of it. It got to the point that I was literally pissed at him (and her). I put him down and walked down the street till I could not hear that damn crying anymore. While this wasn't far, maybe a house or two. It was enough for me to get my shit together and come back calm and I got him to sleep.

From now on, treat these situations like any other "manly" thing you might do. You wouldn't let the wife butt in while you were fixing the widget that you just can't get fixed and is pissing you off. Treat this the same way and I promise you will thank me later when the wife has zero control over the kids and you walk in the door and everything straightens up.

New to parenting is a hard road. Hell, I'm 25 years into it and it's still hard in many ways. Just because certain things aren't working the way you had envisioned, doesn't make you a bad dad or not intelligent, IMO. You have your own stresses of working, coming home tired, then the moment you get home and want to relax or whatever... There are people that have been there all day that have very different plans for you. For me this brought the suck as I worked two jobs to keep things afloat and could not understand why this evil witch I married wanted me to go back to work when I got home.

Your family will find a balance. You have already realized that you need to do more. Figure out what works for you. I figured out that bed time was a good niche for me. I think I gave off the manly vibe that I wasn't going to take any shit and it's bed time. I also had a system for making bottles that was way faster than the wife so I did that as well. It's been a long time, so I can't remember it all, but I'm sure you get the point.

I'm trying not to write a damn book here so... Hang in there. There are no instructions that come with these little humans. You will make mistakes. But, you will also do some very cool things and get the joy of watching them grow.

[lex137]

Thanks you guys very much! I am going to be more consistent and put her to sleep more often, the wife and I will figure out time when the baby and I can be alone and the wife can do her thing. I thank you all again! This will be a good start to a long road. I hope this also helps anyone else that may read this thread.

[glock21]

When my first daughter was born my wife was so scared to hurt her that I ended up doing everything for my daughter. I had patience with my wife and taught her so much. It was easy for me to do everything for my daughter. With out second one she was a daddy's girl from the start. Now they are both older and both want to be with mommy every waking minute that I have to take my girks kicking and screaming just to give mom a break and it's usually to take a nap or paint her nails. All she's ever asked from me is to play with the kids, pick up my dirty dishes and throw the trash. You need to give yourself more credit on being a great dad.

[MED]

I am a single parent, and had my son 1/2 time since he was an infant. When it was my week to have him, there was nobody else so I figured it out as I went. To mirror the sentiment of other posts, it is all about time spent. You will figure out what your child likes and doesn't like as you spend time with her. But, more then anything else, you need to build a relationship with your child. If you put in the time to build a successful relationship, you will find that they easily forgive little mistakes. As she gets older, make sure you take the time to listen to her while understanding what is important to her. Make sure you look for the signs that she needs to talk, or just needs acknowledgement. Sometimes, you just need to put away what you are doing or the fact you had a bad day and just be there. Like most things, you get out of it what you put into it. My son is in high school now and we have an incredible father/son bond that I wouldn't trade for anything.

[Great-Kazoo]

Big strap, firm hand, unwavering commitment to keep them on a good path.

DON'T SWEAT THE LIGHT SHIT.

Kids will be kids. My wife worked 3 12's so I took care of our daughter. Rest of the time it was her gig. You can only help so much in life. .

Be there when possible, do what you can when you can. Don't stress out when you can't. Believe me there will be plenty of time while they grow up to cover what you didn't, when younger.

[Jamnanc]

Practice the football carry, see how the baby likes to be held by you. Some babies seem to like facing out so they can see, some face in. Don't try to sit with the baby, walk, rock, slow dance, sway, see what the kid wants. They are all different, but my kids would cry the moment my ass touched a chair.
Car rides are good too. Sometimes that puts them to sleep when other things won't.

[killianak9]

If your not in this article then your doing good [emoji482]

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[vim]

Be patient; your daughter will adjust to the new routine.

You will never regret the time you put in with your children. Never.

- "Grampy"

[Chad4000]

For some reason my wife (now ex) really wanted me to participate in bath time when my son was little. Not sure how she landed on that one, but I started taking care of the bathing situation and that helped for awhile. other than that, cleaning, and laundry. empty the dirty diaper thing too ;)

[JohnnyEgo]

I will give you some parenting advice that has practical application across the entire field of child-rearing:

"Stupid people have been having and raising babies for millennia, and yet the human race lives on."

This is what my pediatrician told us after he was tired of answering a million questions about if our child was okay or if we were doing the right things as parents.

http://www.johnnyego.com/photography/vincent/page4/vin008.JPG


I will give you another piece of advice from an economist that completely changed my perception on how I dealt with my own child:

"Genetically speaking, there is very little you can do to alter the core characteristics of your child. Their overall perception of happiness, however, is mostly formed by their parents"

The short version of which is if you want your kid to be happy, you need to be happy yourself. If taking your kid to soccer practice six times a week when he doesn't really want to go either makes you miserable, it will make your kid all the more miserable. So focus not just on carving out some time to make yourself happy, but make your wife happy, too. Probably by force, because women in general seem to feel far more guilty about spending time on themselves that could be devoted to their small children.I used to resolve the issue by taking my boy to the gun shop with me. I wanted to hang out and look at guns, and having him physically out of the house for a few hours allowed the wife to actually relax and not step in to her parent role when he started crying. When he wouldn't sit on Santa's lap for his first Christmas, instead of forcing him to do it, I took him to the Christmas section at Sears and put him on the displays. He was happy and everyone loved the Christmas Cards that year. The more he spent time with me, the more he accepted my parental ineptitude, and the less he cried when it was me feeding him at 2:00 AM instead of Mom.
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One last bit of advice for the road:

Children are douchey, irrational little dictators with no mercy.

I sometimes referred to my boy as Kim Jong Il. It is okay to not like them for every waking moment of their existence. You've still got a job to do (being a parent), but as long as you do it, it is okay to be resentful, tired, or irritated from time to time. Learning how to accept these feelings as natural is hard. Getting your wife to do the same is harder. But once you've learned how to do it, you will be happier, and your kid will be happier, too.
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Also, they get even more fun and more exasperating as they get older, which happens quicker than you'd think.But it also gives you the opportunity to do the fun things you haven't done in a while, like build snowmen.
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[Rumline]

So my daughter is a almost 7 months old and tonight she cried for over an hour while I was trying to feed and put her to sleep, finally my wife stepped in and within 10 min she ate her bottle and fell asleep!
I only have one kid but I wouldn't call that unusual. I got really frustrated about it at first but I learned to accept that sometimes only Mommy will do. Eventually there will be times that mommy is chopped liver and it's all about dad!

One thing that we did that I think has worked out well is that my wife and I took turns doing the nighttime feedings and betime routine. One of us got him ready for bed, the other prepared the bottle then fed it to him and rocked him to sleep. Once he started bottles that is. When he would wake up in the middle of the night to eat one of us made the bottle the other changed his diaper and fed him, then the next night we'd switch responsibilities. I definitely resented it at times when she still wasn't back to work and I had to wake up early for a meeting, but I think it helped in the long run because now he's not really particular about who does what in the whole bedtime routine.

JohnnyEgo, great post!

[hurley842002]

I really can't add anything that hasn't already been said, but I wanted to thank the OP for posting this, as it pretty much mirrors some of my fears. I have two boys, a 2 month old and a 19 month old, and often share the OP'S issues.

Our oldest is kind of "my little man", but it seems like I can't do anything right for the youngest (he knows who has the teet). All I can add is patience, and always put your wife and kids needs ahead of yours and check yourself from time to time, to make sure you are doing so, as it's easy to slip.

[Ranger353]

As a father of four, and now a grandpa of two, my #1 advice is learn how to change diapers. Do it often and without being asked (told) to do it and #2 is hold the baby every chance you get. Those two things will seem small to you, but are huge to the mom. She will gain confidence in your abilities to handle the baby, and will get some small free time to do things for herself (shower, nap, eat, etc...).

[CUatTheEnd]

Congrats! Our first daughter did not sleep through the night until 8mo. It was draining on both of us. We shared shifts through the night, because I usually stay up late anyway (i.e. midnight or 1am) and my wife went to bed around 8pm or 9pm, I would do the feeding before midnight and she would do the one around 3am or so then I would do the morning around 6am before I went to work. Like others said she needs a break more than you, her hormones and emotions are running super high, they don't feel good about themselves, their bodies are trying to get back to normal...yada...yada....yada. As long as the baby has food and a clean diaper they are good to go, even though they cry...since that is what they do. Everyone is different and it's not easy. Be as much help as you can around the house, dishes, laundry ect. Let her get a pedicure or manicure and relax a bit. Best Wishes and congrats again!

[killianak9]

Just a thought but any of us dads or grandpa's interested in getting together with the youngins? Maybe meet up at a monkey business, library, snow activities, whatever?
Kill two birds with one stone: meet like minded members and give the wife some much needed time!

Sorry lex, not trying to high jack[emoji482]

[JohnnyEgo]

Sounds like fun. There is the Jumping in Loveland as well. Whenever I have my boy and his cousins (two other four year olds), I load them up on sugary apple juice and let them loose in Jumping. About an hour and a half later, the sugar crash hits at the same time as the physical exhaustion, and they all go right to sleep for an hour or two. That said, I'd be willing to travel an hour or so for a play date. I can bring a four year old and some baked goods. I'm also good at holding other people's kids, as long as I get to give them back.
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[hurley842002]

Just a thought but any of us dads or grandpa's interested in getting together with the youngins? Maybe meet up at a monkey business, library, snow activities, whatever?
Kill two birds with one stone: meet like minded members and give the wife some much needed time!

Sorry lex, not trying to high jack[emoji482]
I'd be down for something, bring my oldest and let mom stay with the baby.

[lex137]

I'd meet up with you guys for sure, thanks again everyone. Defiantly makes me feel better reading peoples post and helps with all the encouragement! Amazing post JohnnyEgo, amazing!

[Big John]

I am so in love with this gun...[Love1]http://johnnyego.com/dump/snowman04.JPG

[Great-Kazoo]

Sounds like fun. There is the Jumping in Loveland as well. Whenever I have my boy and his cousins (two other four year olds), I load them up on sugary apple juice and let them loose in Jumping. About an hour and a half later, the sugar crash hits at the same time as the physical exhaustion, and they all go right to sleep for an hour or two. That said, I'd be willing to travel an hour or so for a play date. I can bring a four year old and some baked goods. I'm also good at holding other people's kids, as long as I get to give them back.
http://johnnyego.com/dump/cake/eyes07.JPG



WHATEVER anyone does. DO NOT LET HIM BRING ANYTHING COOKED WITH CHOCOLATE. UNLESS it's in a cake, brownies or chocolate.

I am so in love with this gun...[Love1]http://johnnyego.com/dump/snowman04.JPG

Be nice if he had time to hit the range.

[gnihcraes]

I had no clue what I was going to do as a dad/father and took the chance anyways. Knowing and telling myself it was time to do the right thing. It's not about me and my toys anymore, it's about the kids and making a family.

A rough few years. Kids didn't want to sleep until about 3 and 5 years. When the kid sleeps, so do you. Unfortunately we ended up with the kids in our bed a lot of the times just to get some sleep. Bad thing to do because you can't get them back in their beds.

Wife stayed home for the first 5 years, daycare after that. No matter how tired I was from work, I had to give her time away. Walk in the door, kick the wife out. Learn as you go with the kid(s) and try not to break them when she's away. :) After a few ER visits you learn that kids "Bounce" pretty well and survive fine.

There is always a friend, neighbor or someone to call if you need kid help. If the kid won't stop crying and you don't know why, call someone to help. Most parents have been there. A few times, I don't think anyone in the house wasn't crying or in diapers for some reason. (adults too!) Put the kid in a safe place and go outside for a moment.

My wife ended up bed ridden at the hospital for the 2nd kid. I was home alone with a 2 year old and trying to figure him out, the house duties and visit the wife. You just figure it out. You're not the first one to do this. (^ someone else said the same)

Do as much as you can for the wife and kid.

[hurley842002]

My wife ended up bed ridden at the hospital for the 2nd kid. I was home alone with a 2 year old and trying to figure him out, the house duties and visit the wife.

Similar thing happened to me recently, probably the most freaked out I've ever been. My wife ended up in the hospital overnight, and the thought of being without my "teammate" with a one month old and an 18 month old was slightly unsettling, but I made it just fine, and both children are alive to talk about it lol.

Maybe we should turn this into a "war stories of fatherhood" thread lol.

[killianak9]

Sounds like fun. There is the Jumping in Loveland as well. Whenever I have my boy and his cousins (two other four year olds), I load them up on sugary apple juice and let them loose in Jumping. About an hour and a half later, the sugar crash hits at the same time as the physical exhaustion, and they all go right to sleep for an hour or two. That said, I'd be willing to travel an hour or so for a play date. I can bring a four year old and some baked goods. I'm also good at holding other people's kids, as long as I get to give them back.
http://johnnyego.com/dump/cake/eyes07.JPG


I'd be down for something, bring my oldest and let mom stay with the baby.


I'd meet up with you guys for sure, thanks again everyone. Defiantly makes me feel better reading peoples post and helps with all the encouragement! Amazing post JohnnyEgo, amazing!

Sounds good guys
I'll be doing the same Hurley ! Like Johnnys idea with the sugar, exhausted nap idea.
Do week days/weekends work best for every one?
Maybe a 1000-1300 time ?
What is good for everyone's schedule

[hurley842002]

Sounds good guys
I'll be doing the same Hurley ! Like Johnnys idea with the sugar, exhausted nap idea.
Do week days/weekends work best for every one?
Maybe a 1000-1300 time ?
What is good for everyone's schedule
I'm very flexible for the time being.

[lex137]

Weekends are best for me.

[killianak9]

Weekends are best for me.


I'm very flexible for the time being.

How's Saturday 1/17 ?
Monkey Business @ Orchard mall in Westminster
@10:30?
I usually pack a lunch or snack for my daughter and hang around till she's tired (1200-1300)

[Snowman78]

I have the exact opposite problem. My kids want to be with me 24-7. My wife is working on a 2nd degree and has to be on the computer a lot. So the kids want to hang with me EVERY SECOND :)

[sniper7]

Well a little advice from me:

google will solve almost anything besides getting the actual medicine.my latest one:

my son had an odor when I left for my trip on Friday. Wife said giving him a bath took care of it, then that evening it was back. I thought it was bad breath. Got home late last night and my son came in and wanted to sleep with us around 3am. I woke up and almost couldn't stand the smell when he wanted to lay next to me.

google quickly came up with that he he possibly had a near or nasal infection or possible ops foreign object in there. Sure enough, he had jammed a wrapper up his nose. Tweezers got it out, smell was gone, little saline solution and a hot bath and all is well. Saved about $175 doctor visit....

so before you freak out and head for the doc, quick a quick search because there are hundreds of millions of kids out there who do the same crap and the online posts will save you lots of headaches and money.

[MarkCO]

Granted I have not read the thread responses, but here is mine.

Maybe too late, but I read "So you are going to be a Dad" before the first one came. It was excellent and helped me a good deal. Might still be good read for the OP and I certainly recommend it if you have gotten your wife pregnant...in her mind, it IS your fault. :)

For the first two years (or so) my boys loved mommy and I was a footnote. That is hard when you have a wife as adoring as I had and all of a sudden the kid gets all the affection and energy. My advice is to do the things NOT kid related that will free her up. Sure changing diapers and feeding and such is part and parcel, but if the kid prefers mom, let mom do it and you do something else FOR your wife, like the laundry, the shopping, etc. In hindsight, I should have done more of this. You help and support your wife as much as possible, she will see it, believe in that servant's heart and you will both be better for it, and the kids in the long run.

Once my boys turned about 2, it was all about Dad. That was cool for me and hard for my wife. We are still in that mode, but the oldest one turned 13, so teenagery is now here. Never let the kid divide and conquer you and your wife. You are a team, a one, vs. the kid(s). If you or your wife make a poor choice regarding the kids (we are not talking about beatings and putting your kid in harms way here) it is better to let it go, regroup, get on the same page and move on rather than have a huge fight. Now I am one that believes a kid NEEDS to see conflict resolution work between their parents, so I am not saying take it to the garage for every conflict, but strike a balance. My wife hates that, but my view is that we should do what creates the most independent, strong, intelligent contributory citizens that we can. I know most of America does not subscribe to that path, but it is our path and my wife, once she gets through the emotion, does agree with that path.

Most Fridays, I take the wife to breakfast, then we go run errands, maybe shopping (I dislike shopping BTW) and I make dinner Friday. A day off for her if you can. We used to do Sunday, but with homework, sports, functions, etc, Friday was a better day for her. If you can do something where you drop the kiddo off at a grandparents for a half day and spend your focus on her, whatever she thinks that is (probably illogical to you), it will go a long way. I am not saying you have to paint her toes, but I am sure you can find something she enjoys that you can endure.

Most women enjoy the kiddo duties and if you show her appreciation and adoration for the great job she is doing, that sets up a foundation for the rest of your married life and her appreciation of you will be reciprocal.

I have a few friends who have wive's they describe as "frigid". To some degree, the man who chases her, gets her, impregnates her and then sulks off to the basement to watch sports is a popular American theme. Those first few years of kids, growing apart and ignoring the spouse, either way, is one of the big things that leads to destructive behavior.

[lex137]

How's Saturday 1/17 ?
Monkey Business @ Orchard mall in Westminster
@10:30?
I usually pack a lunch or snack for my daughter and hang around till she's tired (1200-1300)

i would like to meet you guys but it's a far drive for me might need to find something closer to Denver.

[GilpinGuy]

I'd love to chime in, but this a learning experience for me too. Got a 2yo hellion on my hands absolutely freaking out at this moment because it's "night night time". Good thread.