New video on the terrorist attack in Paris

[ruthabagah]

Filmed by witness across the street. Terrorist jump in front of the cops


http://api.dmcloud.net/player/embed/4e7343f894a6f677b10006b4/54b02ff094739937416ea107/eb702cd6397e46d8ae2af01e3774ce74?exported=1%22%3E% 3C/iframe%3E

[SuperiorDG]

link fail

[HoneyBadger]

Would have been better if the witness across the street pulled out a gun and shot the terrorists right then and there instead of pulling out their phone and doing nothing useful.

[ruthabagah]

link fail

Totally. Can't seem to be able to embed the link. try this one. video in the middle of the page.

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/exclusif-france-2-les-images-du-face-a-face-entre-le-raid-et-amedy-coulibaly-lors-de-l-assaut-porte-de-vincennes_793119.html

[KAPA]

Wow, it looked like they were all going to rush in and the guy at the front of the line was the only one that went with the plan. His boys behind him kind of stopped when lead started flying. That first guy on point was one ballsy fellah. Looks like at least a couple cops got hit although the video stops when the terrorst runs between the two groups of cops. Hope they didnt shoot each other once their line got split. Clearly the guy getting dragged away at the end took one somewhere.

[clodhopper]

Looked like a crowd of Darth Vaders on at the Empire Surplus Store on Black Friday.


Yeah, inappropriate... but it IS what was running through my head watching it.

[ruthabagah]

Looked like a crowd of Darth Vaders on at the Empire Surplus Store on Black Friday.


Yeah, inappropriate... but it IS what was running through my head watching it.

Not inappropriate at all

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[buckshotbarlow]

definite spaceball sale for lord helmet....my the schwarz be with us...

[TFOGGER]

Not exactly the highly disciplined dynamic entry that we're used to seeing from US SWAT teams...I would guess they don't get as much practice as our cops do at that kind of thing...

[cstone]

Not exactly the highly disciplined dynamic entry that we're used to seeing from US SWAT teams...I would guess they don't get as much practice as our cops do at that kind of thing...

I was thinking about the swarming of the Branch Davidian compound.

Even the best planned op can go badly and good ops can look pretty messy.

The last few days in France have reminded me why I support fighting extremists in their countries, with our military, rather than wait to fight them with our law enforcement inside our country.

Be safe.

[flogger]

Pretty interesting video. I'm thinking these cops were really pumped up, this footage will be used in LEO training for a number of reasons. Kind of overkill on the charging mass?

[Great-Kazoo]

Would have been better if the witness across the street pulled out a gun and shot the terrorists right then and there instead of pulling out their phone and doing nothing useful.

A firearm in the hands of civilians, not in the EU. Which BTW, is quite possible in the good ol U.S. of A.

[sniper7]

Pretty interesting to see how they addressed it.

[ruthabagah]

A chief for the RAID (French Police Swat, different from the GIGN), just gave his report. The plan had to be changed at the last minute because the terrorist started his prayer and was not focusing on the main door... They saw an opportunity to minimize civilian death, since the hostages were stacked in a row between the front and rear exit. They decided that because of the type of weapon involved, their body armor will resist the hits and decided to storm the place using both entrance. It's the same kind of strategy used by the gign during the Air France hijacking a while back

http://youtu.be/Q7a5D3sMJKM

[Ah Pook]

I can understand a show of force and an effective tactical squad. But that was a little overkill.

http://www.americavictorious.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/SendMoreCops.jpg

[<MADDOG>]

Reminded me of the movie "The Professional"....


http://youtu.be/74BzSTQCl_c

Edit: the scene continues with the entire NYPD arriving on-scene...

[driver]

It made me think of the Blues Brothers

http://youtu.be/2quc-iQ96R0

[flogger]

Reminded me of the movie "The Professional"....


http://youtu.be/74BzSTQCl_c

Edit: the scene continues with the entire NYPD arriving on-scene...

Great movie! Oldman was a classic prick.

[Jer]

Holy shit on a shingle! Those 'cops' were so undisciplined it was scary to watch. Play it back again and watch the group on the left setting up. When shots start to fire two of them are reaching around a blind corner and discharging rounds into a hostage situation. BOTH sides of the lead guy's head and at one point he pulls back for cover and may or may not have got hit with the blind fire. Notice how he pulls back out of the line after that happens? Seriously, how many cops and hostages were hit with 'friendly fire' in this situation? Unreal. I get adrenaline is going and it's a high stress situation but if I was in the Paris PD and saw this video I would find a job selling insurance post haste. Heaven forbid you be the one guy who takes shit serious enough to train and want to be first one in because the odds of you getting cut down by your own guys are incredibly high. That was some scary shit to watch and I feel for the hostages if those are your rescuers. I know I know, easy to Monday Morning QB but that was brutal.

[Skip]

It most countries LE is a reflection of political leadership (things are obviously a bit different here in the US). Look at France's leadership that won't even connect these events to Islam. Leadership that disarmed its own people while simultaneously importing immigrants that openly refused to assimilate--violence was bound to happen but they could never see it/admit it.

When you think about that, these videos make perfect sense. LE was unprepared because the leadership is unprepared.

Now Europe is at a crossroads: Get prepared or else. The learning curve is steep on this one.

And we're only marginally better in that department--the only thing keeping us prepared is the commitment of those in LE to be professionals fight for what is right. Our "leadership" is slowly chipping away at that as well, IMHO.

[asmo]

They decided that because of the type of weapon involved, their body armor will resist the hits and decided to storm the place using both entrance.

Except that's not what they did at all. They crowded the open door. Took pot shots from the doorway, got into a cross fire with each other, and left a single man inside on his own while they all sat outside.

Utter buffoonery.

[Jer]

Except that's not what they did at all. They crowded the open door. Took pot shots from the doorway, got into a cross fire with each other, and left a single man inside on his own while they all sat outside.

Utter buffoonery.

Pretty much how I saw it too.

[<MADDOG>]

Holy shit on a shingle! Those 'cops' were so undisciplined it was scary to watch. Play it back again and watch the group on the left setting up. When shots start to fire two of them are reaching around a blind corner and discharging rounds into a hostage situation. BOTH sides of the lead guy's head and at one point he pulls back for cover and may or may not have got hit with the blind fire. Notice how he pulls back out of the line after that happens? Seriously, how many cops and hostages were hit with 'friendly fire' in this situation? Unreal. I get adrenaline is going and it's a high stress situation but if I was in the Paris PD and saw this video I would find a job selling insurance post haste. Heaven forbid you be the one guy who takes shit serious enough to train and want to be first one in because the odds of you getting cut down by your own guys are incredibly high. That was some scary shit to watch and I feel for the hostages if those are your rescuers. I know I know, easy to Monday Morning QB but that was brutal.

Well said Jer, hence my post....[LOL]

On my first view of the vid; I stated "WTF"?

Second view, I showed the loved one; and even she stated "wtf"?

The European popo better get up to speed, and real quick!

[<MADDOG>]

NM: this is France...

I dare the fr's to pull this off in Germany or the UK...

[Aloha_Shooter]

The Air France raid looked like a Keystone Kops movie. Their more recent raid looked professional and polished by comparison.

[ruthabagah]

NM: this is France...

I dare the fr's to pull this off in Germany or the UK...

Everyday since the gign is recognized as being one of the best anti terrorist force in the world and they pretty much trained or cross trained with everybody else. Monday morning quarterbacking in full swing, all based on partial info and one camera angle.

[Great-Kazoo]

NM: this is France...

I dare the fr's to pull this off in Germany or the UK...

perhaps a different entry. HOWEVER the British would debate forever before giving the go ahead, so they didn't come off as too extreme. The germans wouldn't want the world to think they were bringing back late 1930's military .

It's interesting, last month, maybe 2. There was a big Pro-German, ANTI- IMMIGRANT rally that EVERYONE Decried as Right Wing extremism at it's worst. Giving a negative perception of Germany in general. Perhaps those who attended were right.

[ruthabagah]

perhaps a different entry. HOWEVER the British would debate forever before giving the go ahead, so they didn't come off as too extreme. The germans wouldn't want the world to think they were bringing back late 1930's military .

It's interesting, last month, maybe 2. There was a big Pro-German, ANTI- IMMIGRANT rally that EVERYONE Decried as Right Wing extremism at it's worst. Giving a negative perception of Germany in general. Perhaps those who attended were right.
and just this morning a newspaper was firebombed in germany for displaying charlies cartoon...

[cstone]

perhaps a different entry. HOWEVER the British would debate forever before giving the go ahead, so they didn't come off as too extreme. The germans wouldn't want the world to think they were bringing back late 1930's military .

It's interesting, last month, maybe 2. There was a big Pro-German, ANTI- IMMIGRANT rally that EVERYONE Decried as Right Wing extremism at it's worst. Giving a negative perception of Germany in general. Perhaps those who attended were right.

The anti-islamification of Europe demonstrations have been taking place since October 2014. The most recent prior to the Paris attacks were two weeks ago in Dresden - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30765674

And another one planned for tomorrow in Berlin: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/11/anti-muslim-marches-germany/21590413/

[KestrelBike]

NM: this is France...

I dare the fr's to pull this off in Germany or the UK...

I'd argue that Germany would have performed just as poorly. They're under *very* heavy pacification from gov/societal 'leaders'

[KestrelBike]

It's interesting, last month, maybe 2. There was a big Pro-German, ANTI- IMMIGRANT rally that EVERYONE Decried as Right Wing extremism at it's worst. Giving a negative perception of Germany in general. Perhaps those who attended were right.

Yeah, that's PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans against the Islamization of the West). Their big deal is that they want the whole family to come out and march (parents bring your kids), and not be seen as right-wing neos. Only the immigrant-loving-leftists in Germany are labelling them as such.

German Chancellor (like the US President) Angela Merkel has had a real stick up her ass about them, calling them racists and such, which is rich, because just 4-5 years ago she was calling the multiculturalism of Germany an "utter failure".
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-germany-multiculturalism-failures

"Of course the tendency had been to say, 'let's adopt the multicultural concept and live happily side by side, and be happy to be living with each other'. But this concept has failed, and failed utterly," she said

[Gman]

The problem with that theory is that the Islamicists don't want to be multicultural. It's entirely a monoculture.