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SuperiorDG
01-12-2015, 16:43
Now this is fresh.


With a murder rate many times higher than the US, Russian legislators approved the carry of guns for self-defense. The new law was announced on November 18.
The International Business Times reports (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-legalises-guns-self-defence-murder-rates-among-highest-world-1475681) that prior to this change “Russians were only allowed to own firearms for hunting or target practice.” Because of this, there are only “13 million” privately owned firearms in Russia compared to approximately 310 million the US. On the other hand, “there were 21,603 murders in Russia” in 2009 compared with just over 13,600 in the US, “which has a population almost twice as large [as Russia].”
In other words, in the past few years fewer guns equaled more murder in Russia while more guns equaled fewer murders in the US.
Under the new law, Russians can acquire a license to carry a firearm for self-defense. The license has to be “renewed every five years” and applicants must “undergo background checks and take a safety course.”
The law allows licensed Russians to carry a variety of different guns.
In November 2012 the New Republic reported (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/110223/the-rise-russia-gun-nuts) that Russian gun rights activist Maria Butina argued for expanded gun rights by saying, “A person may decide not to commit a crime if he thinks he may be shot or may encounter resistance.” She also touched how strict gun control has not prevented the Russian murder rate from rising far above the rate in more gun-friendly countries: “If we take the number of homicides per one hundred thousand people in the population, according to our police statistics, it’s thirteen homicides in Russia and 5.2 in the US.”
In addition to concerns over the skyrocketing murder rate, it is important to note that Russian legislators are also grappling with ways to confront Russia’s growing terror threat and the tensions that continue to exist between Russia and the Ukrainian population. A well-armed Russian citizenry may be a pre-emptive response to both these matters.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/11/19/with-murder-rate-far-beyond-us-levels-russia-legalizes-carry-of-guns-for-self-defense/

hurley842002
01-12-2015, 17:01
Wow what a concept, being able to carry country wide! With that said, I'm not for Federal control over carry. Constitutional carry is the best way, with state issued, national reciprocity permits being the next best.

At any rate, way to go Russia, will be interesting to see the violent crime numbers in the future.

roberth
01-12-2015, 17:06
Wow what a concept, being able to carry country wide! With that said, I'm not for Federal control over carry. Constitutional carry is the best way, with state issued, national reciprocity permits being the next best.

At any rate, way to go Russia, will be interesting to see the violent crime numbers in the future.

We already have constitutional carry..."shall not be infringed", and all the states signed up for it when they voted to become states. All federal, state, county, city, and other prohibitions are unconstitutional.

hurley842002
01-12-2015, 17:23
We already have constitutional carry..."shall not be infringed", and all the states signed up for it when they voted to become states. All federal, state, county, city, and other prohibitions are unconstitutional.
I don't disagree with you....

boomerhc9
01-12-2015, 17:37
So by, " licensed Russians"

are they talking about this guy?:




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BushMasterBoy
01-12-2015, 17:54
I hear Crimea is nice.

Jeffrey Lebowski
01-12-2015, 18:11
Before too long, we'll all be saying we want to move to Russia, the land of the free and the brave....


And humorous youtube videos.

zteknik
01-12-2015, 18:49
We become them, they become us....

wctriumph
01-12-2015, 18:54
And the circle of life continues.

KestrelBike
01-12-2015, 19:02
Looks great in a news article, but the law there is so damned corrupt, legislation means nothing when it comes to protecting both the citizens and their individual rights. I suspect that the permits will be just like Los Angeles CCL's: for the rich & influential only. Or let's say some МВД thug stops someone who's conceal-carrying (maybe he gets lucky, or maybe he sees a print) and asks to see the carry permit. "Oh see, this one is no good, because look I just tore it in half" and then he confiscates the weapon to add to his personal collection.

Sorry to sound so cynical, but Russia is just so thugtastic and sh*t*y.

hurley842002
01-12-2015, 19:32
Looks great in a news article, but the law there is so damned corrupt, legislation means nothing when it comes to protecting both the citizens and their individual rights. I suspect that the permits will be just like Los Angeles CCL's: for the rich & influential only. Or let's say some МВД thug stops someone who's conceal-carrying (maybe he gets lucky, or maybe he sees a print) and asks to see the carry permit. "Oh see, this one is no good, because look I just tore it in half" and then he confiscates the weapon to add to his personal collection.

Sorry to sound so cynical, but Russia is just so thugtastic and sh*t*y.
As opposed to the excellent option for carrying that they currently have/had...

rondog
01-13-2015, 00:55
Looks great in a news article, but the law there is so damned corrupt, legislation means nothing when it comes to protecting both the citizens and their individual rights. I suspect that the permits will be just like Los Angeles CCL's: for the rich & influential only. Or let's say some МВД thug stops someone who's conceal-carrying (maybe he gets lucky, or maybe he sees a print) and asks to see the carry permit. "Oh see, this one is no good, because look I just tore it in half" and then he confiscates the weapon to add to his personal collection.

Sorry to sound so cynical, but Russia is just so thugtastic and sh*t*y.

Reminds me of the "asset siezure" bullshit here in the US, or whatever they call it. "Oh look, you have $5000 in cash and you're driving across country? You must be a criminal! We'll just have to sieze that cash and throw you in jail, for the public safety you know".