View Full Version : Anyone concerned about drones in the future?
kidicarus13
01-14-2015, 22:09
Specifically smaller drones able to be operated by a single individual. We already have surveillance cameras operating 24/7 in major metro areas, are drones next? And then they'll spread to the patrolling the suburbs. And then they'll be allowed to hover 50' over your house for reasons involving "public safety". And there will be laws enacted to protect drones. They will be the eyes and ears of some group of people in the future. Too much tinfoil this early in the evening?
Drones are the wave of the future, and I don't think there's much to be done about it.
Of course, one way to stop a bad guy with a drone is to be a good guy with a drone.
HoneyBadger
01-14-2015, 22:23
Time to start working on a High Power Microwave "self defense" tool. ...For the children, of course!
Drones are the wave of the future, and I don't think there's much to be done about it.
Of course, one way to stop a bad guy with a drone is to be a good guy with a 12 gauge shotgun
FIFY ;)
Have you ever seen one live? I bought one a few months back, and they are definitely not fit for good, discrete surveillance yet. They are loud, batteries don't last very long, and most of them don't have cameras good enough to really "spy" on someone that well.
That being said, I met a lot of the guys involved and, unlike the firearms industry, they are strongly in support and pushing for more regulation, to make clear what is ok and what is not ok. Too many idiots are doing things like crashing into buildings in urban areas, flying into aircraft paths, etc. and that crap needs to stop. One of the proposals goes so far as to say you'd actually have to get some sort of drone "pilots" license from the FAA to be able to fly one.
It will be interesting to see how the technology evolves over the next 5 years. How many sci-fi shows have some sort of automated drone thing flying around? That stuff won't be science fiction for too much longer. They are improving very fast, and "piloting" one of the latest generation of drones is super easy compared to what it was like just a few years ago. Somebody developed a GPS-enabled drone not too long ago that will follow you around with a tracker - the idea is that it will keep filming you if you are skiing, surfing, biking, jeeping, whatever. Obviously this could have other unintended uses pretty easy.
Signal jammer anyone?
Not legally.
Rooskibar03
01-14-2015, 23:27
Not legally.
Geez officer I don't know where that interference is coming from?
OtterbatHellcat
01-14-2015, 23:47
Geez officer I don't know where that interference is coming from?
lol
I can see the benefits AND the detriments that will follow if drones become a mainstay of society. It's one of those.... I love it when they do what I want them to do, and.... I hate it when they're doing something I don't want them to do, kind of things.
Either way, we're all going to watch it play out in our lifetimes. I hope it doesn't eventually turn out to be a horrible thing that got out of control.
I want a drone so I can make cool videos at the range. [Awesom]
RblDiver
01-15-2015, 01:15
I bought one for my sister for Christmas. She does kite photography and turns those into 3d maps of areas (she's working on her doctorate for GIS). I'd hoped that this one with a camera could be useful to her, since it was small (about the size of your hand) and portable. Unfortunately, she said the camera's resolution is such that it probably won't really be useful for her work, but she still enjoyed flying it.
Brian's right, they're pretty noisy. I suppose if you were mowing the lawn you probably wouldn't hear it, but it sounds like a pretty loud mosquito. Plus you'd probably hear the person cursing as it starts going where they don't want it to go! lol
clublights
01-15-2015, 01:20
Can someone explain the difference between these " drones" and the RC airplanes people have been flying for 60+ years and putting camera's on for at least the last 30-40 years ...
twitchyfinger
01-15-2015, 01:34
From what I've seen they do have some pretty good 1080p wide angle cameras these days. Cameras now even being mounted on gimbals. You can even now mount go pros to these drones. Some of the larger drones can also fly up to an hour flight. Have gps tracking on them so they can follow you or if you loose line of sight have a return to home button that will make the drone fly itself back to you within three feet.
http://youtu.be/ubzRsgDYogY
http://youtu.be/Yly2PK2pg9U
Cameras are good enough that people are racing drones with FPV goggles or viewing screens.
http://youtu.be/NsxyV-kgfio
twitchyfinger
01-15-2015, 01:43
Can someone explain the difference between these " drones" and the RC airplanes people have been flying for 60+ years and putting camera's on for at least the last 30-40 years ...
Explained better than I can:
http://youtu.be/UoowHnMSYlo
http://youtu.be/jCPV6nP-LsM
Long version of first vid
http://youtu.be/9rB02n_ByA4
clublights
01-15-2015, 02:14
Explained better than I can:
http://youtu.be/UoowHnMSYlo
http://youtu.be/jCPV6nP-LsM
Long version of first vid
http://youtu.be/9rB02n_ByA4
I think you missed my point ...
The Predator and the like .mil drones are that drones capable of autonomous, long range flight, Armed .... as large as some full sized aircraft ...
the ones that people keep calling drones are not drones.. but RC airplanes/ helicopters.
The second vid touches on this in the first min.
clublights
01-15-2015, 02:20
From what I've seen they do have some pretty good 1080p wide angle cameras these days. Cameras now even being mounted on gimbals. You can even now mount go pros to these drones. Some of the larger drones can also fly up to an hour flight. Have gps tracking on them so they can follow you or if you loose line of sight have a return to home button that will make the drone fly itself back to you within three feet.
Most all of this has been done with RC Airplanes/Helo's for years .
Drone is a buzz word and in my opinion being misused .
twitchyfinger
01-15-2015, 02:31
No I get what your saying I'm trying to find the right vids I have dozens saved and difficult to sort thru. I'm all new to this also I became interested in them just before Xmas and bought a cheap entry level one to learn to fly. The technology in these is the multi rotor drone and they now have 6 way gyros instead of the 4 way of previous drones. I apologize for the military vids they didn't explain what I wanted them to. I've been spending some time now piecing together bits of info trying to learn myself. You are right about the term "drone" being misused.
Here's another vid:
http://youtu.be/kwkxx84wXNo
nogaroheli
01-15-2015, 02:50
Most all of this has been done with RC Airplanes/Helo's for years .
Drone is a buzz word and in my opinion being misused .
^^This times 1,000.
I fly the real thing for work, it's called an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle or UAV. Calling them drones just paints a narrative that they have minds of their own and their nature is to carry out the worst things possible. Small hobby aircraft are definitely getting more advanced, but they're still r/c aircraft with cameras attached- just like lots of people have done for lots of years.
I am very eagerly awaiting the FAAs rulings and guidance on how UAVs will be integrated into the national airspace. The FAA operates with the efficiency of the typical gov agency so I think this is a hurdle that will take ample time for them to clear. Unlike 2A issues, I think that more operating rules and guidelines are a good thing in this case. I don't want to be in a manned aircraft and have any type of contact with even a hobby type UAV.
UAVs aren't inherently good or bad. Like a gun, they're just a tool. I do see potential for them to be abused by the wrong people with I'll motives, but privacy is already an illusion that is long gone. UAVs could make some privacy invasions easier but manned aircraft or other mediums could likely accomplish the same goals (it would just be more difficult).
Agreed 100% on the abuse/misuse of the word "drone".
However, I can tell you that my DJI copter is capable of fully autonomous flight using map-based waypoints on my iphone, so it is not simply just a r/c aircraft anymore. While the average consumer calls even a little Hubsan X4 a "drone," it seems like most hobbyists separate your typical "quadcopter" from a "drone" based on whether or not they can handle autonomous flight. For real estate guys, you can program it to fly around a pre-set path over a property, and then you can focus on the video camera getting the zoom and pan settings you want.
They are getting better every day, and definitely the gopros and even the stock onboard cameras are very good. But I still maintain that they are more likely to be pests for another couple years, at least until they find a good way to quiet them down.
I think a lot of this technology has been out there for a while. The big difference is that we've reached the tipping point where they are within the budget of many people now. You can get an extremely good setup for under a grand, and you don't have to be talking about $10k+ setups anymore. The other major difference is that the GPS-enabled hovering and the ability to compensate for drift, etc. and intelligent directional flight takes a ton of the complexity away. Flying a copter is actually pretty hard for a beginner because once it is turned even slightly around, without a FMV setup, it's hard to keep your mind set with which end is forward. You push the sick left and the copter flies backwards or whatever. The new copters are smart enough to compensate for that.
nogaroheli
01-15-2015, 03:42
However, I can tell you that my DJI copter is capable of fully autonomous flight using map-based waypoints on my iphone, so it is not simply just a r/c aircraft anymore. While the average consumer calls even a little Hubsan X4 a "drone," it seems like most hobbyists separate your typical "quadcopter" from a "drone" based on whether or not they can handle autonomous flight. For real estate guys, you can program it to fly around a pre-set path over a property, and then you can focus on the video camera getting the zoom and pan settings you want.
I get it. The autopilots you can get in everyday aircraft are pretty sweet these days. However, I think those hobbyists sound uninformed when they call their Phantom, Iris or whatever they have that flies autonomously a drone. Its a UAV. Calling them drones is like calling semi-auto rifles assault rifles.
I get it. The autopilots you can get in everyday aircraft are pretty sweet these days. However, I think those hobbyists sound uninformed when they call their Phantom, Iris or whatever they have that flies autonomously a drone. Its a UAV. Calling them drones is like calling semi-auto rifles assault rifles.
Yep, I don't disagree. I don't think any hobbyists are happy with that name, because of the negative perception, but they seem to be losing that battle (much like the "assault weapon" tag). :(
twitchyfinger
01-15-2015, 03:51
Yeah a friend of mine who's a photographer got me hooked on these toys. He has a DJI phantom 2 in which he attaches his go pro to to take Ariel photography in Alaska. So I went out and bought a $40 Hubsan X4, a cash rebuild kit, a whole mess of replacement blades and a bunch of spare batteries so I could learn how to fly. I'm not so much interested in the Ariel photography but I do really want to fly one of those super fast FPV racing quadcopter. But before I go and spend a grand on one I have to l earn to fly first. I can tell you though the little 3 inch X4 is a blast to fly and not to difficult to learn. Until like Brian said you get it flipped around backwards and then things get funky pretty fast!
RCCrawler
01-15-2015, 08:20
Specifically smaller drones able to be operated by a single individual. We already have surveillance cameras operating 24/7 in major metro areas, are drones next? And then they'll spread to the patrolling the suburbs. And then they'll be allowed to hover 50' over your house for reasons involving "public safety". And there will be laws enacted to protect drones. They will be the eyes and ears of some group of people in the future. Too much tinfoil this early in the evening?
I own several DJI Phantoms with cameras on them, I have already used mine for situations you talk about working directly for a local police department. Several things that I have used them for with the police were getting good overhead photos and video of a pedestrian/vehicle fatal accident scene. These photos when given to the accident investigator she was blown away and said they would be invaluable and that she was able to pickup things in the photos that she didn't even see in person on the scene. I also used the quadcopter to film an entire high risk no knock raid by the swat team. I was setup several blocks away and popped it up in the air just minutes before they deployed, the swat team loved the video and will be using it for training purposes in the future, a lot of them said that even though they knew it would be there they didn't even notice it at all until I brought it right down to the top of the house.
Have you ever seen one live? I bought one a few months back, and they are definitely not fit for good, discrete surveillance yet. They are loud, batteries don't last very long, and most of them don't have cameras good enough to really "spy" on someone that well.
LIke I said in the ops I was involved with many of the officers didn't even notice it at all, the battery lasted long enough to cover most of the event, and I did a quick battery change and was right back up in the air.
Yeah a friend of mine who's a photographer got me hooked on these toys. He has a DJI phantom 2 in which he attaches his go pro to to take Ariel photography in Alaska. So I went out and bought a $40 Hubsan X4, a cash rebuild kit, a whole mess of replacement blades and a bunch of spare batteries so I could learn how to fly. I'm not so much interested in the Ariel photography but I do really want to fly one of those super fast FPV racing quadcopter. But before I go and spend a grand on one I have to l earn to fly first. I can tell you though the little 3 inch X4 is a blast to fly and not to difficult to learn. Until like Brian said you get it flipped around backwards and then things get funky pretty fast!
I also bought an X4 before I got a Phantom. If you can fly the X4 well enough, it will feel like the phantom is flying itself. I still fly both.
Chad4000
01-15-2015, 10:21
all good points here..
and yeah, Im worried about all of it. I like my privacy.
I, for one, welcome our new flying autonomous electronic overlords.
KestrelBike
01-15-2015, 10:36
I, for one, welcome our new flying autonomous electronic overlords.
Except when they bring my quarter pounder with pickles! I said no picklessss!!!!!
Aloha_Shooter
01-15-2015, 11:21
I am less concerned about government drones than I am an aerial version of Google's StreetView van. Google does far more to invade our privacy than any three-letter agency except possibly the IRS.
I want a drone so I can make cool videos at the range. [Awesom]
^Yup. You could make some really fun videos with one at the range. That's why I want one.
The concern will be obama's kill list and drones. He will probably troll social media for enemies.
I think one thing they will be used for (the predator style, not toys) is for fishing and hunting enforcement. They will be able to cruise over the mountains checking numerous hunters in little time compared to horseback or foot. Will they then starting writing tickets for stupid stuff, like you din't tag the animal within 10 mins or silly minor offenses.
Aloha_Shooter
01-15-2015, 13:28
Obama's friends at Google, Facebook, and Amazon will do the trolling for him to identify people who "think wrongly" and his drones at the IRS (like Lois Lerner's colleagues) will do more to shut them down than any Hellfire missile. Google is EXTREMELY good at manipulating and processing data. Facebook probably understands its users better than their parents or spouses. I worry less about fire from above than their data mining and scraping coupled with mandatory Maoist-style reeducation sensitivity training.
nogaroheli
01-15-2015, 13:40
Obama's friends at Google, Facebook, and Amazon will do the trolling for him to identify people who "think wrongly" and his drones at the IRS (like Lois Lerner's colleagues) will do more to shut them down than any Hellfire missile. Google is EXTREMELY good at manipulating and processing data. Facebook probably understands its users better than their parents or spouses. I worry less about fire from above than their data mining and scraping coupled with mandatory Maoist-style reeducation sensitivity training.
Exactly. Something looking at us from above isn't as intrusive or threatening a step as many people think it is, relatively. Our privacy has been eroded so far through data mining and other electronic surveillance methods already. An aerial view from a UAV is just another small step down the road we've traveled for some time.
BushMasterBoy
01-15-2015, 13:55
I'll be concerned when somebody flies one into the intake of a jet liner on takeoff...
ruthabagah
01-15-2015, 14:58
What you need is a drone "drone killer" Here comes the Rapere.
http://rapere.io/
Ranger353
01-15-2015, 15:03
I am only concerned with the prices going down to the point that they'll be so many out there at any given time you'll have "drone to drone" collisions. [shit-happens]
Snowman78
01-15-2015, 15:19
I own several DJI Phantoms with cameras on them, I have already used mine for situations you talk about working directly for a local police department. Several things that I have used them for with the police were getting good overhead photos and video of a pedestrian/vehicle fatal accident scene. These photos when given to the accident investigator she was blown away and said they would be invaluable and that she was able to pickup things in the photos that she didn't even see in person on the scene. I also used the quadcopter to film an entire high risk no knock raid by the swat team. I was setup several blocks away and popped it up in the air just minutes before they deployed, the swat team loved the video and will be using it for training purposes in the future, a lot of them said that even though they knew it would be there they didn't even notice it at all until I brought it right down to the top of the house.
LIke I said in the ops I was involved with many of the officers didn't even notice it at all, the battery lasted long enough to cover most of the event, and I did a quick battery change and was right back up in the air.
That's super cool! How long is your flight time? What batteries are you using? How many cells and what MAH?
RCCrawler
01-15-2015, 16:34
That's super cool! How long is your flight time? What batteries are you using? How many cells and what MAH?
They claim a max flight time of 25 minutes, I've found about 16-20 to be more realistic, that may have something to do with our thin air up here. They use 3s 5400mah packs, they are proprietary packs that have the balancers built in. I have 4 batteries for each quad, and would have no problem putting them both up in flight alternating so no footage was missed if needed, or to gain 2 vantage points.
Not concerned at all. 'Cept when things like this happen on short final into Bagram...
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Herkcollision.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/herkcolllision2.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/herkcollision3.jpg
clublights
01-15-2015, 17:14
aww come on hoser . that'll buff right out!
Wow Hoser, was that from some sort of commercial/RC drone strike?
Aloha_Shooter
01-15-2015, 17:23
I don't think there are a lot of commercial/RC drones flying near Bagram but that wing sure struck something solid. Dang ...
Wow Hoser, was that from some sort of commercial/RC drone strike?
Army RQ-7 UAV.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Shadow_200_UAV_%282%29.jpg
I wonder how long it will take for the companies to come out with an RC "drone hunter"?
Either that, or an uptick in falconry...;)
I don't think there are a lot of commercial/RC drones flying near Bagram but that wing sure struck something solid. Dang ...
Yeah that was why I was asking. But the UAVs over there are a lot bigger. Still, I'd assume even a little DJI Phantom could probably damage a wing or jet pretty well, given all the work that goes into avoiding birds.
Army RQ-7 UAV.
Ouch. Would hate to be that pilot (do you call the drone operator a pilot...?). I'm sure he caught it pretty bad.
Great-Kazoo
01-15-2015, 17:52
How can one be concerned about "drones" when you use a cell phone ?
How can one be concerned about "drones" when you use a cell phone ?
Yup. We get so concerned about cameras and yet people willingly like all sorts of pages on Facebook, post their locations (with pictures), input their diet on an app, track how many steps they take, etc. We give up so much information, they don't need drones.
Yup. We get so concerned about cameras and yet people willingly like all sorts of pages on Facebook, post their locations (with pictures), input their diet on an app, track how many steps they take, etc. We give up so much information, they don't need drones.
^^Liked, from the gym.
Have you ever seen one live? I bought one a few months back, and they are definitely not fit for good, discrete surveillance yet. They are loud, batteries don't last very long, and most of them don't have cameras good enough to really "spy" on someone that well.
That being said, I met a lot of the guys involved and, unlike the firearms industry, they are strongly in support and pushing for more regulation, to make clear what is ok and what is not ok. Too many idiots are doing things like crashing into buildings in urban areas, flying into aircraft paths, etc. and that crap needs to stop. One of the proposals goes so far as to say you'd actually have to get some sort of drone "pilots" license from the FAA to be able to fly one.
It will be interesting to see how the technology evolves over the next 5 years. How many sci-fi shows have some sort of automated drone thing flying around? That stuff won't be science fiction for too much longer. They are improving very fast, and "piloting" one of the latest generation of drones is super easy compared to what it was like just a few years ago. Somebody developed a GPS-enabled drone not too long ago that will follow you around with a tracker - the idea is that it will keep filming you if you are skiing, surfing, biking, jeeping, whatever. Obviously this could have other unintended uses pretty easy.
On the federal and local levels using drones for surveillance I'm all about more regs. On the private side the idea of having to get a FAA license to fly RC aircraft I think is the most ridiculous thing I have heard of. I have been flying RC Aircraft Off and on since I was 6 years old and have been a member of numerous local and nation wide clubs and have never had any incident. I can see how the novice just going into the LHS buying a kit or even an ARF / RTF aircraft could get into trouble and may cause some property damage, like with firearms there are idiots that have no common sense and will do stupid things so why penalize the law abiding (sound familiar.).
For the amateur RC Hobbyist that has been flying RC a while knows that to fly and nitro or "wet" fuels you need to be at an AMA regulated field and be a member as well. The Academy of Model Aeronotics is not just a club it's also an insurance policy that will payout In case of injury or property damage. Now to fly electric technically as long as the city doesn't have an ordinance your gtg anywhere just have common sense and be safe. There are rules that apply like not breaking the 400' altitude because you will then be in no mans land with commercial aircraft but I doubt the legitimacy of anyone claiming they fly high enough to interfere with commercial aircraft. To control a RC Aircraft above 100' is a challenge but 400' yea right, unless they where flying next to a airport or heli pad I just don't see that happening.
The technology in this hobby has leaped over the years and you can have and fly a sudo drone (cockpit cam and /or gps) but even that's already regulated, you can't fly more than a mile in either direction and you must have a spotter. As far as flight times I think the longest I have ever flown was almost 30 minutes before my fuel ran out and I came in dead stick, with a lipo (battery) setup you might be able to duplicate that but doubtful (depending on the stats of the aircraft and power setup). So to just Go out and buy a drone for recon at you local hobby store .......I'm calling BS. There are very nice and expensive setups to do areal photography but nothing in comparison to what the .gov has.
Just my $.02
jerrymrc
01-15-2015, 20:49
On the private side the idea of having to get a FAA license to fly RC aircraft I think is the most ridiculous thing I have heard of. We used to have to get a license to have a CB. KBLT-0413 was mine back in 76 or so.[Flower]
We used to have to get a license to have a CB. KBLT-0413 was mine back in 76 or so.[Flower]
Don't get me started on that. I'm still studying (when I can) for mine.
nogaroheli
01-15-2015, 22:29
Not concerned at all. 'Cept when things like this happen on short final into Bagram...
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Herkcollision.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/herkcolllision2.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/herkcollision3.jpg
Ooh! Was that the one with the Shadow? That's the type of contact I never want to see.
Edit: Should have read more before the reply since you confirmed it was the shadow incident.
nogaroheli
01-15-2015, 22:42
Ouch. Would hate to be that pilot (do you call the drone operator a pilot...?). I'm sure he caught it pretty bad.
The operator/pilot title is usually defined by the type of interaction you have with the aircraft. If you launch, fly and recover/land it simply by mouse clicks you're an operator, if you are required to take the aircrafts autopilot out of the equation and fly it manually then you are a pilot.
GilpinGuy
01-15-2015, 22:57
The kinda scary thing with these is, what will they look like in 10 years? 10 years ago, there were no iPhones. Look what we have now - I hardly use my laptop anymore. Technology will advance so fast with these things that will have tiny, almost silent mini civilian spy type drones in no time. How small will go-pros be in 10 years? The size of your thumb nail? Gov't Regulation will come, for better or worse (excluding LE and .gov use, of course).
I'm not a big tin foil hat type in general, but privacy is one of my concerns. Of course I don't do anything wrong, never speed, own no weapons since the tragic boating accident, don't have any food or water stored (well, no more than the 3 day recommendation by the .gov of course), and I just come on here to see what you whackos say, so I have nothing to worry about anyway.
The kinda scary thing with these is, what will they look like in 10 years?
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twitchyfinger
01-16-2015, 06:15
Just don't ask how much!
http://youtu.be/geFHBUom2SA
I bet my M1 would put a hurtin' on one of those quadcopter thingies.....
Aloha_Shooter
01-16-2015, 10:07
I bet my M1 would put a hurtin' on one of those quadcopter thingies.....
You'd have to be pretty good if it's moving while you're shooting at it given most of the volume is empty airspace but I know mine wouldn't like M2 Ball very much at all.
I never really worried about them too much. But one evening, we were hanging out a buddies house having a few beers and we heard a strange humming noise. We looked up and somebody was flying a drone around. I don't think it had a camera on, but it was kind of disturbing to know that they could easily hover over us and just watch. Now this was in Elbert county where everyone owns a shotgun, so he didn't loiter very long. But it was still kinda invasive.
For the record, I think they are cool as hell. I need one.
Aloha_Shooter
01-16-2015, 10:09
Invest in some curtains, and don't walk outside nude too often.
I'd say most of us walking outside nude more often would be enough to dissuade the pervs and stalkers. God invented clothes to protect everyone else who might see me ... [ROFL2]
Not concerned at all. 'Cept when things like this happen on short final into Bagram...
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Herkcollision.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/herkcolllision2.jpg
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/herkcollision3.jpg
Pretty scary stuff. It's amazing how fast things go flying past you in the air. It's usually just enough time to say HOLY SHI............
I've seen so many big birds come out of nowhere and just barely miss the plane. Even when your "slow" on final approach. Especially when they are just below the horizon. We see balloons all the time. You can tell when you are flying over a Red Robin. Red and Blue balloons.
HoneyBadger
01-16-2015, 15:20
Totally relevant:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11350856/Being-pestered-by-drones-Buy-a-drone-hunting-drone.html
Are paparazzi flying drones over your garden to snap you sunbathing? You may need the Rapere, the drone-hunting drone which uses 'tangle-lines' to quickly down its prey
kidicarus13
01-26-2015, 07:43
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/26/politics/white-house-device-secret-service/index.html
HoneyBadger
01-26-2015, 08:48
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/26/politics/white-house-device-secret-service/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/26/politics/white-house-device-secret-service/index.html)
Oh great.
I can see the headlines now:
NEW LAW ENACTED: No more fun hobbies!
Two bills going through the motions now at the state house dealing with drones. I'm not paranoid about them, a fun hobby that like virtually anything can be turned to nefarious uses by the wrong person.
There are homemade signs around my neighborhood, much like lost dog signs. "I lost my drone somewhere between Iris St and Alpine St, if anyone finds it in their backyard, please call X".
I'd return a lost dog. I'd use a lost drone to test the strength of an aluminum baseball bat.
kidicarus13
02-16-2015, 09:07
Who saw this coming? I DID I DID!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/16/obama-administration-proposes-regulations-for-commercial-drone-use/
buffalobo
02-16-2015, 10:06
Officials have not made public an estimate of the total annual economic benefit of regulations but say it would exceed $100 million a year.
Regulations will bring about economic benefit?
Newspeak in action.
wctriumph
02-16-2015, 10:20
FAA license and pass a TSA security test? I think this more about keeping the public from watching the government.
http://i.imgur.com/qC4aqfU.jpg
kidicarus13
05-06-2015, 20:51
Drones in the future...
http://www.superflux.in/blog/the-drone-aviary
Can't wait...yay.
Link isn't taking me anywhere.
buffalobo
05-06-2015, 21:28
Link isn't taking me anywhere.
Click on the Blog link on the site, scroll up/down.
Ugh, all I needed to see was the drone with the big PULL OVER sign.
What I see happening sometime in the future is terrorist attacks using drones. Seems to me it would be pretty simple to load a drone with explosives or chemical weapon of some kind and fly it from one location to another and crash it.
I'm going to have to brush up on my shotgun skills as these drones become more prevalent.
I'm going to have to brush up on my shotgun skills as these drones become more prevalent.
Ok Joe. :)
kidicarus13
10-16-2015, 22:04
Drone registry
http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/16/9558383/us-government-will-create-drone-registry (http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/16/9558383/us-government-will-create-drone-registry)
blacklabel
10-16-2015, 22:09
Drone registry
http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/16/9558383/us-government-will-create-drone-registry (http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/16/9558383/us-government-will-create-drone-registry)
Are they going to regulate the "replacement part" industry. With a little bit of reading and a few hundred dollars I can build my own ghost drone.
Zundfolge
10-16-2015, 22:13
there will always be countermeasures http://hackaday.com/2015/10/15/hijacking-quadcopters-with-a-mavlink-exploit/
They have it based on size or the concept of drone registering is dumber than gun registration. Just the thousands of 13$ micro quads and $50 toy grade mid sizers with 120x70 crap cameras... Someone's going to register those? Raffs.
How overblown quads are, and sadly a lot in the gun community especially blows my mind. The rate of misuse for quads that actually have usable quality cameras is low enough to compare to gun ownership. Especially the more than thousand dollar ones.
Like early gun people called ar 15s m16/m4 or assault rifle And the media ran with it. So did quads get called drones by its own user as it sounds better despite not truly being drones anymore than any rc plane/car/boat. The only true drones are the ones police and other .gov are buying into, and the ones to worrabout if any.
Since this thread was started, the resolution of the cameras, and the capability of the UAV's have improved significantly. A friend of mine who produces footage for TV commercials has one that will follow him in his boat at speeds up to 50mph and shoots 4K video, all for cheaper than a custom 1911. They are going to get better,smaller, and cheaper just like everything else that's tech-based.
I just bought a 680mm frame for my quadcopter build. Will be pixhawk based with gps and a relatively low res camera for fpv, but will have a gimbal to run high resolution video or a down facing camera for surveys.
Should be able to keep the bird in the air for a half hour or so. Should make it easy to check holes in paper at a distance.
It won't be registered... :D
Wonder if they are just going to try to register multirotors or set the bar at planes as well. A foam plane with a $100 flight controller setup can autopilot itself for many miles.
kidicarus13
10-17-2015, 14:29
Why the popularity of "quad copters" besides maybe some commercial applications? Something that flies that can carry a camera? I guess I just don't get it.
BushMasterBoy
10-17-2015, 14:51
The drones they are bringing to Fort Carson, yes. The lil drones...no.
Aside from being a concept that's newer. They are attractive to fly because with accelerometers, they are much easier to fly for anooby, come in smaller packages great fit indoor or back yard use rather than having to pack up and go to a field.
With advent of fpv, a lot of fun to be had with Goggle's racing them flying like your the pilot
kidicarus13
10-17-2015, 16:12
they are much easier to fly for anooby, come in smaller packages great fit indoor or back yard use rather than having to pack up and go to a field.
Didn't think about that aspect.
So.... apparently if your UAS (multirotor, helicopter, plane, blimp, glider, or pretty much anything that goes in the air and is controlled remotely or via computer) weighs more than .55 lbs (2 sticks of butter according to the FAA), it has to be registered with the FAA.
Good luck with that, they can go f'""" themselves.
kidicarus13
12-15-2016, 12:53
Good luck with that, they can go f'""" themselves.
Don't forget to register... http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/register-your-drone/
Zundfolge
12-15-2016, 13:26
Don't forget to register... http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/register-your-drone/
Thing is, technology is going to make good drones under .55 lb thus making this moot.
Don't forget to register... http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/register-your-drone/
Lol... exactly a year later...
Guess which one is registered.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/mchl_wood/20161209_203712_zpsdzwzknmy.jpg
What I see happening sometime in the future is terrorist attacks using drones. Seems to me it would be pretty simple to load a drone with explosives or chemical weapon of some kind and fly it from one location to another and crash it.
Just read a security brief today about that. Apparently, though not widely publicized, "they" (ISIS) are using them in current war zones (Iraq and Syria) to deliver explosives to targets that are unaware and causing some pretty substantial damage. Several agencies are discussing this becoming a possible threat here sometime in the near future. Some of the drones have a pretty decent payload capability, 25lbs or more, and I could see this becoming a small issue, but not as widespread as they anticipate.
FAA cannot require registration of recreational drones.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinenegroni/2017/05/20/faa-cant-require-registration-of-recreational-drones/#378a3b2527c2
Drone pilots are buzzing with excitement over a court ruling Friday striking down a 2015 FAA rule that required them to register with the government. The US Court of Appeals didn't mince words in finding the Federal Aviation Administration had overstepped its authority. "Statutory interpretation does not get much simpler," the court said.
Good thing I didnt waste my $5.
Aloha_Shooter
05-20-2017, 10:39
Good thing I didnt waste my $5.
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Just want to emphasize the court's slamdown on the FAA:
"Statutory interpretation does not get much simpler,"
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theGinsue
05-20-2017, 11:07
Registration never made sense to me beyond just being a revenue scheme. If I had a drone hovering over my yard peeking into my windows, there was no way to know who it belonged to without shooting it down or trying to follow it home. Only then could I obtain the info from it to report it to the FAA.
Registration never made sense to me beyond just being a revenue scheme. If I had a drone hovering over my yard peeking into my windows, there was no way to know who it belonged to without shooting it down or trying to follow it home. Only then could I obtain the info from it to report it to the FAA.
My guess would be so if it gets sucked into a jet engine or causes a crash, they can know who to go after.
Aloha_Shooter
05-20-2017, 11:36
I think the general idea was to allow them to track down miscreants who interfered with firefighting or other governmental operations by flying drones (remember. the whole issue came up because some drones apparently were flying the path of firefighters trying to combat California wildfires or flying in airspace near airport flight paths). I always thought the FAA's rule was an extension of governmental power that violated the separation of powers and the 10th Amendment and worse, ignored human nature -- the miscreants who do stupid dangerous stuff near airports or fires are unlikely to go out of their way to register said drones.
Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than my Hubsan X4 ...
I think the general idea was to allow them to track down miscreants who interfered with firefighting or other governmental operations by flying drones (remember. the whole issue came up because some drones apparently were flying the path of firefighters trying to combat California wildfires or flying in airspace near airport flight paths). I always thought the FAA's rule was an extension of governmental power that violated the separation of powers and the 10th Amendment and worse, ignored human nature -- the miscreants who do stupid dangerous stuff near airports or fires are unlikely to go out of their way to register said drones.
Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than my Hubsan X4 ...
Brah! How can you say that!? (bolded). Everyone knows if you want to stop something from happening you just enact a law. /sarc
Just read a security brief today about that. Apparently, though not widely publicized, "they" (ISIS) are using them in current war zones (Iraq and Syria) to deliver explosives to targets that are unaware and causing some pretty substantial damage. Several agencies are discussing this becoming a possible threat here sometime in the near future. Some of the drones have a pretty decent payload capability, 25lbs or more, and I could see this becoming a small issue, but not as widespread as they anticipate.
I heard that report too.
But one thing that doesnt make sense is the drones capable of any significant lift are super expensive.
Looked at a 22lb drone for a work project and that sucker was $25k. 10lb drone is about $10k. Seems like about $1k per pound of lift capability.
Can't see a poor 3rd world outfit fielding a $5k drone to lob a $30 grenade.
I heard that report too.
But one thing that doesnt make sense is the drones capable of any significant lift are super expensive.
Looked at a 22lb drone for a work project and that sucker was $25k. 10lb drone is about $10k. Seems like about $1k per pound of lift capability.
Can't see a poor 3rd world outfit fielding a $5k drone to lob a $30 grenade.
I spent areound $900 (including radio), so $650 for the bird.
I can pick up 9lbs.
I spent areound $900 (including radio), so $650 for the bird.
I can pick up 9lbs.
PM some info on your bird please.
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Re the fear of drones and weapons.... I dont have link handy but a couple weeks ago they arrested some durka durka type names with guns, drones, supposedly a hand grenade and other drone parts and explosives materials.
They dont need to airlift a 100lb bomb, just a decent pipe bomb in the middle of say at the end of the super bowl when everyone on field or any other shoulder to shoulder event.
kidicarus13
05-20-2017, 15:42
Re the fear of drones and weapons.... I dont have link handy but a couple weeks ago they arrested some durka durka type names with guns, drones, supposedly a hand grenade and other drone parts and explosives materials.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/05/16/minneapolis-police-arrest-man-find-trove-weapons
Ya that's right, they charged Abdullah.
BushMasterBoy
05-20-2017, 16:06
Or just fly it into an Air Force plane.
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