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Guess he B reading Shannon tWatts crap.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/27896784/man-spots-gun-then-tackles-concealed-carry-license-holder
Good, tackler got what he deserved.
Rooskibar03
01-20-2015, 19:59
Good way to get yourself shot.
What a nut job.. I'd bet $20 that he's a left wing loon that's listened to some of the other left wing loons that have called for people to scream bloody murder/and or "swat" when they see someone with a gun.
TheBelly
01-20-2015, 20:48
couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!
Well deserved to get arrested.
Good way to get yourself shot.
really good way!!!
RCCrawler
01-20-2015, 21:12
If the gun carrier had a CONCEALED gun permit I'd say he needs to learn how to CONCEAL his gun.
SideShow Bob
01-20-2015, 21:23
If the gun carrier had a CONCEALED gun permit I'd say he needs to learn how to CONCEAL his gun.
So, you have never accidentally exposed your carry weapon ? Never got out of your car or truck and your cover garment snag In the seatbelt ? Never had a gust of wind blow your cover garment aside before you could button it down ? Never got out of a vehicle then put a cover garment on While standing at the open car door ? If you say you never ever have accidentally exposed your carry weapon, please start offering classes to the rest of us ametures so that we may someday be as perfect as you......[Sarcasm2]
hurley842002
01-20-2015, 21:23
If the gun carrier had a CONCEALED gun permit I'd say he needs to learn how to CONCEAL his gun.
[Rolleyes]
Dude has a hero complex, idiot.
mcantar18c
01-20-2015, 21:42
Print, yes. Exposed, no... not around folks that didn't already know I was carrying.
I vaguely agree with RCCrawler on this.
hurley842002
01-20-2015, 21:48
Print, yes. Exposed, no... not around folks that didn't already know I was carrying.
I vaguely agree with RCCrawler on this.
And you haven't been carrying very long, that I'm sure of.
Kinda hard to tell from those pictures which one of those guys is 43 and which is 62.
hurley842002
01-20-2015, 21:53
You know, for being a forum full of alleged freedom loving, no compromise 2a individuals, I find it amazing there are people who's panties are in a twist over accidental exposure of this law abiding citizens carry piece. What I should be hearing is fu@& that perpetrator who unnecessarily attacked this gentleman.
If the gun carrier had a CONCEALED gun permit I'd say he needs to learn how to CONCEAL his gun.
Print, yes. Exposed, no... not around folks that didn't already know I was carrying.
I vaguely agree with RCCrawler on this.
I am going to say this totally outright. [Coffee]
While almost everyone so far is arguing about the concealed carrier "exposing" his gun, if he was better the incident may never have happened. We dont have ANY REAL DETAILS in the story on how the guy spotted the gun to really pass judgement now do we? We are all only human.
News story was short. (kinda like this sentence)
The bottom line the guy charged with battery deserves a little scare. His actions show you never just jump the gun (pun intended) without knowing the full situation.
The story could have ended badly for him.
It has become hard to post here because of moderators, and idiot wannbee gun owners because of the BS. But this is about what WE face in is what is supposed to be AMERICA.
Kinda hard to tell from those pictures which one of those guys is 43 and which is 62.
The "White" guy with handcuffs is 43, the victim in that is 63 and "Black". Bout time.
The "White" guy with handcuffs is 43...
I kinda figured that, but the victim (62) looks to be in considerably better shape than the guy 19 years his junior. [LOL]
Zundfolge
01-20-2015, 22:20
So Mr Foster is either a racist or a leftist (yeah, that's redundant). I suspect we'll find that he's either a known nutter or a member of MDA/VPC/Brady.
GilpinGuy
01-20-2015, 22:28
You know the left will come to his defense spouting shit like, "If [the CCW guy] was a terrorist [douchebag] would be hailed as a hero. This should happen more often".
I kinda figured that, but the victim (62) looks to be in considerably better shape than the guy 19 years his junior. [LOL]
I know right? good for him, young and healthy, I hope I look like that at 63.
I kinda figured that, but the victim (62) looks to be in considerably better shape than the guy 19 years his junior. [LOL]
Black don't crack...
I wished I aged like black people do.......
Aloha_Shooter
01-21-2015, 01:34
Black gentleman was tackled by a white guy, where's Al Sharpton yelling about racism? Oh wait, the white guy was arrested .... but when did facts ever get in the way of Al and inciting a good riot?
Saw a black man with a gun, figured he'd tackle him and save the day. Be a hero. Get a medal.
Nope, no racist profiling there.....
lead_magnet
01-21-2015, 02:43
This story reminds me of a Dave Chapelle skit.
"Sprinkle some crack on him."
If the gun carrier had a CONCEALED gun permit I'd say he needs to learn how to CONCEAL his gun.
Since open carry is legal in Colorado, not concealing your gun is not a crime.
Wish the guy had put the gun in the do-gooder's mouth and waited for the cops.
While almost everyone so far is arguing about the concealed carrier "exposing" his gun, if he was better the incident may never have happened.
As I read the thread, it appears one person seemed to be irked by that. Not "everyone".
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PugnacAutMortem
01-21-2015, 09:37
Since open carry is legal in Colorado, not concealing your gun is not a crime.
Wish the guy had put the gun in the do-gooder's mouth and waited for the cops.
So that he could be arrested for attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon? Excellent idea. So glad to be able to call you a fellow gun owner [facepalm]I sure hope there aren't the "anit-gun" types lurking around looking at this, because you just confirmed for them what they already assumed about all of us. Again...top marks.
And by the way, this happened in Tampa Bay...not Colorado.
hurley842002
01-21-2015, 10:06
Since open carry is legal in Colorado, not concealing your gun is not a crime.
Wish the guy had put the gun in the do-gooder's mouth and waited for the cops.
My limited research has shown open carry is not legal in FL, fortunately it sounds like the LEO'S realized the gun exposure was a simple accident, and the correct guy was arrested. Good thing some of the members here weren't the responding officer's, from the sounds of it, they'd have hauled the CCW holder away too.
Since open carry is legal in Colorado, not concealing your gun is not a crime.
Wish the guy had put the gun in the do-gooder's mouth and waited for the cops.
Open carry is not legal or illegal in Colorado. Its up to the municipal government that you are currently in to decide.
As I read the thread, it appears one person seemed to be irked by that. Not "everyone".
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At the time I posted that it appeared to me there were a few bringing up the visible Concealed carry. I should have said a "Few" is that better? :)
RblDiver
01-21-2015, 11:01
So that he could be arrested for attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon? Excellent idea. So glad to be able to call you a fellow gun owner [facepalm]I sure hope there aren't the "anit-gun" types lurking around looking at this, because you just confirmed for them what they already assumed about all of us. Again...top marks.
And by the way, this happened in Tampa Bay...not Colorado.
Erm, if he was assaulted by this guy, he'd have a right to self-defense, which is not murder/attempted murder.
hurley842002
01-21-2015, 11:06
Erm, if he was assaulted by this guy, he'd have a right to self-defense, which is not murder/attempted murder.
There is a big difference in self defense because you believe your life is in danger, and "putting a gun in the guys mouth until the cops arrive", which is what I believe Pugnac was referring to.
really good way!!!
Dang luck no extra hole in the DSB
Bitter Clinger
01-21-2015, 11:20
As far as I know, under COLORADO, law. The victim would have been within his rights to fire on the criminal, Florida may be different. Either way this dumbass dodged a bullet, pun intended.
PugnacAutMortem
01-21-2015, 12:38
There is a big difference in self defense because you believe your life is in danger, and "putting a gun in the guys mouth until the cops arrive", which is what I believe Pugnac was referring to.
Exactly right. I appreciate the clarification.
Chad4000
01-22-2015, 10:47
Yeah this is another clear cut situation. Random fuck head attacked somebody who was doing zero wrong. thank god we arent hearing about (yet) laws limiting open carry because of the hysteria it causes the public etc...
And now we have the video. Really smart move passing off a loaded gun 3 times. Amazing one of these twits didn't cause a ND.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/robert-farago/wal-mart-video-white-shopper-assaulting-black-legal-concealed-carrier/
PugnacAutMortem
01-22-2015, 13:38
And now we have the video. Really smart move passing off a loaded gun 3 times. Amazing one of these twits didn't cause a ND.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/robert-farago/wal-mart-video-white-shopper-assaulting-black-legal-concealed-carrier/
Anybody who helped out asshole #1 in holding that guy down and taking his gun need to be arrested and charged as well. What in the actual fuck is wrong with people?
This is why you should learn how to actually defend yourself as well as shooting
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SuperiorDG
01-22-2015, 14:34
Anybody who helped out asshole #1 in holding that guy down and taking his gun need to be arrested and charged as well. What in the actual fuck is wrong with people?[word]
hurley842002
01-22-2015, 14:48
This is why you should learn how to actually defend yourself as well as shooting
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Good point. I haven't watched the video yet, so I don't know the specifics of the encounter, but from what I read a choke hold was involved. Most basic self defense classes will teach you how to free yourself from a choke hold.
HoneyBadger
01-22-2015, 15:28
Anybody who helped out asshole #1 in holding that guy down and taking his gun need to be arrested and charged as well. What in the actual fuck is wrong with people?
I hope Daniels sues the freaking pants off those fools. This is enraging. Who were the random guys that just jumped on him and disarmed him? Maybe they thought they were legitimately helping take down a criminal... but perhaps they ought to be charged too for participating in an unlawful citizen's arrest or whatever they want to call it. It almost looked like a premeditated attack to me.. the way he followed him in from the parking lot and the way the other guys were so eager to jump on him.. He probably didn't have time to draw anyway, seeing as he was blindsided by a man 20 years younger and then tacked and held down by several other people who each easily outweighed him.
I want to see a video of the cops arriving and bitchslapping these ignorant pricks for wasting their time.
HoneyBadger
01-22-2015, 15:30
Good point. I haven't watched the video yet, so I don't know the specifics of the encounter, but from what I read a choke hold was involved. Most basic self defense classes will teach you how to free yourself from a choke hold.
After you watch the video you'll understand this:
It might be kind of hard for a 60+ year old man to defend himself against 3+ younger guys who blindside him and hold him down (and maybe even choke him out).
DenverGP
01-22-2015, 15:40
Open carry is not legal or illegal in Colorado. Its up to the municipal government that you are currently in to decide.
off topic, but I don't believe that is true. Open carry is legal everywhere in colorado , except Denver. The state law permitting open carry overrides any local laws, but Denver won an exception to the state's Preemption law. Local governments can restrict open carry on local government property (parks, government buildings, etc.)
Also, some left-leaning cities (Boulder) have TRIED to state that open carry is illegal in their cities, but those laws have been thrown out (but not always removed from the books). So you will likely get harassed in some places, but open carry is legal there you just might have to go to court to prove it.
68Charger
01-22-2015, 15:45
This is why you should learn how to actually defend yourself as well as shooting
^^^This, along with a healthy dose of situational awareness- seeing the guy coming for you would really help keep him from getting the jump on you.
I am not being critical of the victim in this case- I wasn't there... just trying to see what to learn from it.
ETA: and as far as Shannon Watts comment- I hope she continues to spew her violent vitriol loudly and it is heard by many- then people will see what kind of sick, demented person she really is, and hopefully associate that with the anti movement.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/foghorn/shannon-watts-assaulting-gun-owners-legal/
There aren't laws that say what you CAN do, only laws that say what you cannot do.
68Charger
01-22-2015, 16:52
I was just following related stories and came across more info than I cared to know about tWatts...
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/26/anti-gun-clown-shannon-watts-may-be-least-self-aware-person-on-earth/
Almost makes me want to join Twitter just to create my own hashtag- #createdtwitteraccountjusttobeblockedbyShannonWatt s
almost...
but no, it's not worth it.
DenverGP
01-22-2015, 17:34
Wrong. There is no law in CO establishing open carry. Therefore, municipals, counties, etc. can and do write and enforce their own at whim to various degrees. Arguing in Court won't fix it. Do NOT open carry in Boulder.
CRS 29-11.7-103. Regulation - type of firearm - prohibited.
A local government may not enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law. Any such ordinance, regulation, or other law enacted by a local government prior to March 18, 2003, is void and unenforceable.
and
29-11.7-101. Legislative declaration.
(1) The general assembly hereby finds that:
...
(b) Section 13 of article II of the state constitution protects the fundamental right of a person to keep and bear arms and implements section 3 of article II of the state constitution;
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(d) There exists a widespread inconsistency among jurisdictions within the state with regard to firearms regulations;
(e) This inconsistency among local government laws regulating lawful firearm possession and ownership has extraterritorial impact on state citizens and the general public by subjecting them to criminal and civil penalties in some jurisdictions for conduct wholly lawful in other jurisdictions;
(f) Inconsistency among local governments of laws regulating the possession and ownership of firearms results in persons being treated differently under the law solely on the basis of where they reside, and a person's residence in a particular county or city or city and county is not a rational classification when it is the basis for denial of equal treatment under the law;
...
(2) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that:
(a) The regulation of firearms is a matter of statewide concern;
(b) It is necessary to provide statewide laws concerning the possession and ownership of a firearm to ensure that law-abiding persons are not unfairly placed in the position of unknowingly committing crimes involving firearms.
29-11.7-104. Regulation - carrying - posting.
A local government may enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area within the local government's jurisdiction. If a local government enacts an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area, the local government shall post signs at the public entrances to the building or specific area informing persons that the open carrying of firearms is prohibited in the building or specific area.
So local governments can not restrict open carry as a city-wide thing (due to preemption) but they do have the ability to restrict open carry in government buildings and areas (parks, etc). That said, Boulder does have an ordinance banning open carry, but it's in violation of the state's preemption law.
There aren't laws that say what you CAN do, only laws that say what you cannot do.
Yup. And state law says that local governments can not pass laws restricting the carrying of firearms except on government property.
SuperiorDG
01-22-2015, 17:50
This has to be the most intelligent thing she could come up with.[fail]
http://concealednation.org/2015/01/shannon-watts-upset-that-man-is-arrested-for-assaulting-a-legally-armed-citizen/
I know Castle Rock just had a ban removed on open carrying in municipal buildings/parks. The ban did not carry over to public areas like streets/sidewalks though. But the ban was lifted so now it doesn't matter either way.
SideShow Bob
01-22-2015, 22:00
From another article on this:
"Another man, Michael Foster, happened to spot the firearm (http://concealednation.org/2015/01/man-attacks-concealed-carrier-in-walmart-after-seeing-his-holstered-firearm/) during a brief period of being uncovered while Daniels was exiting his vehicle and on his way into the store."
This came from Superior DG's link above.
If anyone has CC'ed for any length of time, is lying, if they said this has never happened to them. Whether they were aware of it or not, it has happened.
mcantar18c
01-22-2015, 23:04
From another article on this:
"Another man, Michael Foster, happened to spot the firearm (http://concealednation.org/2015/01/man-attacks-concealed-carrier-in-walmart-after-seeing-his-holstered-firearm/) during a brief period of being uncovered while Daniels was exiting his vehicle and on his way into the store."
This came from Superior DG's link above.
If anyone has CC'ed for any length of time, is lying, if they said this has never happened to them. Whether they were aware of it or not, it has happened.
Depends on where/how you carry.
DenverGP
01-23-2015, 00:15
Yeah, if I'm carrying iwb, then it stays hidden, but most of the time i carry in a owb holster, and i'm sure it shows every now and then. I still find myself occasionally adjusting the holster when I get out of the car, if someone is looking close, they'd probably be able to tell.
osok-308
01-23-2015, 09:31
I'm surprised they wouldn't try to tack on a third degree assault charge as well.
I carry IWB and its hard sometimes to be 100% sure it's not being exposed. I try to wear longer shirts/jackets/hoodies but it doesn't always work if I squat down to look at something or raise my arms for whatever reason. I try to always be aware and make sure but again, there is the chance that for 1 second it was exposed. I usually just limit those motions if I'm in a busy area to prevent it from even coming up. I'm sure someone trained would even be able to tell what Im doing when I check that my shirt is pulled down. :shrugs:
My wife and I sometimes play a game of "spot the CCW" when we're out and about(Walmart and Home Depot, mostly). If you are really looking, you'll be surprised by how many people you see carrying that think they're doing a great job of concealing their weapon, when in reality, it's just un-obvious. Of course, 99.9 percent of people don't even think about it, and wouldn't notice if someone had an RPG slung across their back.
If you wear a tactical vest, shooters glasses, and a hat with NRA, or other weapons based logo,,, you might be carrying.
If you have a cell phone wallet, and your phone rings, and you pull your cell phone out of your pocket,,, you might be carrying.
I've seen people carrying at Walmart. One guy I noticed because his belt was about 4" lower on the right side than the left.
Just wear tie dye...no one suspects the hippie.
Pertaining to printing/exposure.... There is only 1 certainty in life.
The linebacker got what was coming. As for the chp guy...life sucks sometimes, hopefully he accepts the incident for what it was and moves on....
Where's the Willie wonka meme?
HoneyBadger
01-23-2015, 11:12
Just wear tie dye...no one suspects the hippie.
As much as it pains me, this is a great deception technique. Don't make yourself an easy or obvious target for any reason.
On the other hand, sometimes there are situations where making your stance readily known is beneficial.
The best tool you have is your brain - USE IT!
On the other hand, sometimes there are situations where making your stance readily known is beneficial.
Like putting on the battle rattle and getting kitted out to go to the local gun store?
HoneyBadger
01-23-2015, 11:16
Like putting on the battle rattle and getting kitted out to go to the local gun store?
Why not? [Dunno]
The unexamined life is one not worth living.
Brain's, many have a lack of.
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