View Full Version : ISIS burns Jordanian pilot alive
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 16:37
Ran a search didn't see it posted.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/03/new-isis-video-purpotedly-shows-jordanian-pilot-being-burned-alive/
Link is just the article, but the video is out there.... viewer beware if you run across it though....
Richard K
02-03-2015, 16:48
Fucking animals!!!!
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 16:50
Fucking agreed..... wow....
Not animals. Savages, vermin, scum. If ever there was proof that NBC weapons have a place in today's world, this is it.
I thought I was growing numb to this. I'm not. The article says he could have been killed a month ago? Why were they asking for an exchange if they had already killed him?
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 16:57
I thought I was growing numb to this. I'm not. The article says he could have been killed a month ago? Why were they asking for an exchange if they had already killed him?
Yeah, I was puzzled by that too... Im also reading that Jordan will execute their POW's tonight in retaliation...
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 17:01
lol.. yup
And the world needs to grow some. Fuck collateral damage clear the area they occupy. I had no problem in the early 70's I have no problem now.
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 17:12
And the world needs to grow some. Fuck collateral damage clear the area they occupy. I had no problem in the early 70's I have no problem now.
amen.... napalm and carpet bombing..
PugnacAutMortem
02-03-2015, 17:21
Fuck collateral damage clear the area they occupy. I had no problem in the early 70's I have no problem now.
Says the man with no skin in the game, so to speak.
SideShow Bob
02-03-2015, 17:23
Says the man with no skin in the game, so to speak.
[Pop] IBLT......
And the media is falling in line as usual. All I've heard on the radio today.
PugnacAutMortem
02-03-2015, 17:28
[Pop]
Not saying I have all the answers, hell I don't even have any of the answers. But I detest the "wipe them all out, who cares" attitude. It makes you (not you specifically...but anyone who feels that way) as despicable as they are because you show you have an equally shitty respect for human life. Does something need to be done? Absolutely. Anyone who says otherwise is ill informed or playing for the wrong team. But the whole "extermination" sentiment is just so vile and disgusting coming from people who appear to hold themselves as more human than groups such as ISIS.
I read about it. Did not watch the video.
The hair on my arms and the back of my neck have been standing on end since I read the news story.
I long for the days of truly decisive leaders. Our country is so concerned about punishing anything perceived as bullying...and yet this happens.
They are not human. Deal with them accordingly.
I see the Jordanians adopting the Israeli strategy: 100:1. You kill one of ours, we will slaughter 100 of yours.
Bailey Guns
02-03-2015, 17:47
Yeah...I watched the Daniel Pearl video several years ago. Don't need to see anything like that again. I really don't know what ISIS thinks they're going to accomplish by showing this type of brutality. It may work in some local areas to scare the populace into submission but all it does elsewhere is enrage people. Hell...it's even got Obama dropping bombs on them whenever they show themselves. It certainly does nothing to advance the cause if Islam around the world...probably just the opposite.
But I really don't know what can be done about it that's not already being done. It's going to take a ground army to engage them and make a real difference...and I'm not ready or willing to send our soldiers to do that at this point. I'm afraid it's likely they'll cross a line in the not-too-distant future that will probably make that a necessity.
stoner01
02-03-2015, 17:47
Those people specifically deserve being ended. How doesn't matter.
Bailey Guns
02-03-2015, 17:48
I see the Jordanians adopting the Israeli strategy: 100:1. You kill one of ours, we will slaughter 100 of yours.
Hasn't exactly solved the problem for the Israelis...
stoner01
02-03-2015, 17:51
But I really don't know what can be done about it that's not already being done. It's going to take a ground army to engage them and make a real difference...and I'm not ready or willing to send our soldiers to do that at this point. I'm afraid it's likely they'll cross a line in the not-too-distant future that will probably make that a necessity.
The problem with sending in a ground force is that it will be a repeat of the latter years of Iraq. It won't be a uniform versus uniform war like it is now ( to a degree). They'll go back to hiding. At least now the peshmerga are engaging them fairly openly
Why do we need to eliminate them?
http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/map2-1024x620.jpg
Why do we need to eliminate their women?
http://i5.dainikbhaskar.com/thumbnail/300x259/web2images/www.dailybhaskar.com/2014/09/29/4222_isis.jpg
Why do we need to eliminate their children?
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150114190705-pkg-holmes-isis-video-boy-hostages-00002609-large-169.jpg
It's been done before
http://therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/crusades_large.jpg
They are not human. Deal with them accordingly.
A country will have to take a global leadership role in order to do that, unfortunately the United States is no longer that country.
I wouldn't be looking to Europe, Russia or China anytime soon, they have their own concerns.
trlcavscout
02-03-2015, 19:02
Yeah, I was puzzled by that too... Im also reading that Jordan will execute their POW's tonight in retaliation...
Where is the like button! I hope they burn them and release the tape, I would get some popcorn.
As tragic as this is, and I understand that it is....
I have long thought that getting some of the more amicable islamic states in that region on our side was the key to winning this "war" on terror. Turkey, which is IMHO the only truly westernized and modern islamic state (some other states are getting there, but still have a ways to go) voted almost unanimously to allow their president to attack ISIS at will, including in Iraq and Syria. Unfortunately, very little has come of this, except for some show of force on Syria/Turkey border towns. But I, in someways, hope something provokes Turkey to get more involved now that it is approved. Rest assured, Turkey is nothing to mess with.... they have the largest standing infantry in NATO (besting the U.S. by almost 40%), and their military boys live and breath military from a very young age.
Now, I think we may have an ally in Jordan, who in general is fairly westernized and civil compared the company they have in that region. They also have one of the best air forces of all islamic countries, overshadowed by only Turkey and Iran. Turkey + Jordan could present quite a formidable foe for ISIS, especially with western backing and elevated support by muslims who might be happy to join a war against the west, but are not so keen to join a terrorist force against other muslims.
We shall see, but I think ISIS is on their way to signing their death warrant if they keep down this path. We can only hope.
The world has always been full of atrocities like this. There just wasn't a proliferation of media and Internet coverage for these types of things back in the day.
IBTL
Go Pirates - AAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGG
Rucker61
02-03-2015, 20:00
amen.... napalm and carpet bombing..
And salt. Lots of salt.
When the original deadline passed for exchanging the female suicide bomber in Jordanian custody for the two Japanese citizens and Jordanian pilot, Jordan said if you kill our pilot, we will execute every ISIS prisoner in our custody. I wonder if they will follow through with it.
Yes and no. It breeds its own kind of vengeance killing, for sure.
But imagine if the slice of Israel was replaced with a slice of Washington DC. It would be CHAOS.
Remember that they hate jews more than they hate us. But DC wouldn't survive in that geographical area. They fear Israel.The Israeli answer isn't a solution, but it definitely works far, far better than our answer. Where they proactively kill vermin, we spend 5 million and two years to get to trial and lavish accommodations and media exposure for their family, then give them three squares.
We've never won a war since the american public and congress got personally involved trying to turn a dung heap into a puppy and flowers.
Reality is, if you want to beat a sociopath, you can't do it by being the good guy.
If you want to beat a country of sociopaths, you can't do it by being the good guy. FEAR and CONTROL. You don't bring them democracy. You utterly dominate and then rule by fear slowly changing society.
Muslims killing Muslims is generally a positive thing though. Maybe they can keep their own populations in check. If Obama keeps supply weapons to both sides maybe we'll get somewhere! The man is a tactical genius! Next thing he'll sell Nukes to Sunnis, Kurds, ISIS and Shiites, and go launch an empty ICBM fallujah and watch what happens. [Sarcasm2]
I recently heard an interview with a guy that used to be an extremist Muslim and recruiter. He was commenting about how ISIS is now actively fighting Al qaeda. Basically he said something along the lines of, 'If you're going to die for your religious beliefs, you better be 100% sure that your religion is the correct one, so you can't let that other similar religion over there be claiming that they are the correct religion.' He went on to comparte ISIS and Al qaeda to Monty Python's "The Life of Brian" by saying that eventually they start fighting among themselves whether they are The People's United Front of Judea, or The United Front of the Judean People. So basically, it sounds like other extremist shit bags are the biggest answer to the ISIS problem. Of course, then both the groups that are fighting each other, are still out killing everyone else as well, so it's not much of a solution after all.
And salt. Lots of salt.
Don't forget bacon bits......[Coffee]
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 20:58
Not saying I have all the answers, hell I don't even have any of the answers. But I detest the "wipe them all out, who cares" attitude. It makes you (not you specifically...but anyone who feels that way) as despicable as they are because you show you have an equally shitty respect for human life. Does something need to be done? Absolutely. Anyone who says otherwise is ill informed or playing for the wrong team. But the whole "extermination" sentiment is just so vile and disgusting coming from people who appear to hold themselves as more human than groups such as ISIS.
evil exists in this world my friend. so does right and wrong. we the people, wrote this check. blood and treasure. we get to make these calls. they are wrong, we are right. if you have an entire race of people who are either "extremist" or unwilling to write the same check that we wrote, something will need to be done. in this case, they've pushed and pushed and pushed. the kids can fight all they want in the back of the classroom, but once the teacher gets hit with a spit ball, everybody pays.
they need to be dealt with. in the only manor in which they can relate. we aren't talking about humans. we are talking about a race that is sub human. they arent as advanced, they do not understand diplomacy, order, right and wrong... they do not understand what it takes to be human, because they aren't. they don't understand mercy, or forgiveness. they don't understand emotion, or beauty, or love.... they are bread this way.
this is not our fault. they did this to themselves. and that's because that's what they want. it's all they've ever wanted, and its all they will ever get. they've been fighting for allah for thousands of years and it'll reach our shores at some point (already has...). that is a fact.
it's an ugly truth, but the sooner we level a few cities, the sooner they have a chance at understanding. the longer we let this kind of thing be ok, the longer it will go on. there is a very real possibility that "extermination" is literally the only answer to this problem. we may not be there yet, but we are close to finding out.
no need for lock btw, mods, edit my post if need be. but im speaking from the heart about a very real problem. im not blanket hating on random people....
Let's see, if everyone in the middle east followed the 100:1 rule, and we assume there are roughly 1B people in the region, it would take ....... log(10)[1B/100]=7.....about 7 rounds of retaliation.
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." - Robert Heinlein
Chad4000
02-03-2015, 21:18
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." - Robert Heinlein
fucking AMEN.. yes
Rooskibar03
02-03-2015, 21:53
Jordan gets it done and excuted the prisoners ISIS wanted.
Jordan gets it done and excuted the prisoners ISIS wanted.
Well, good for them for sticking to their end of the deal.
We should pay attention to lessons from the past.
We dropped two little bombs on a country called Japan many years ago and look how well off that country is today.
Maybe we could do the same for some of our Muslim brothers to help advance their society?
[Coffee]
USMC_5-Echo
02-03-2015, 22:21
Jordan has retaliated by 3.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/03/new-isis-video-purpotedly-shows-jordanian-pilot-being-burned-alive/
PugnacAutMortem
02-03-2015, 23:24
evil exists in this world my friend. so does right and wrong. we the people, wrote this check. blood and treasure. we get to make these calls. they are wrong, we are right. if you have an entire race of people who are either "extremist" or unwilling to write the same check that we wrote, something will need to be done. in this case, they've pushed and pushed and pushed. the kids can fight all they want in the back of the classroom, but once the teacher gets hit with a spit ball, everybody pays.
they need to be dealt with. in the only manor in which they can relate. we aren't talking about humans. we are talking about a race that is sub human. they arent as advanced, they do not understand diplomacy, order, right and wrong... they do not understand what it takes to be human, because they aren't. they don't understand mercy, or forgiveness. they don't understand emotion, or beauty, or love.... they are bread this way.
this is not our fault. they did this to themselves. and that's because that's what they want. it's all they've ever wanted, and its all they will ever get. they've been fighting for allah for thousands of years and it'll reach our shores at some point (already has...). that is a fact.
it's an ugly truth, but the sooner we level a few cities, the sooner they have a chance at understanding. the longer we let this kind of thing be ok, the longer it will go on. there is a very real possibility that "extermination" is literally the only answer to this problem. we may not be there yet, but we are close to finding out.
no need for lock btw, mods, edit my post if need be. but im speaking from the heart about a very real problem. im not blanket hating on random people....
I disagree with your viewpoint, but ladies and gentlemen...THAT was an intellectual response to someone who has a differing opinion. Much respect, and I raise my glass to you good sir.
Limited GM
02-04-2015, 01:09
If ever Id want a 500 lb'er dropped on my postion, that was it. I can not fathom.
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 08:06
I disagree with your viewpoint, but ladies and gentlemen...THAT was an intellectual response to someone who has a differing opinion. Much respect, and I raise my glass to you good sir.
It's a hard topic to debate, thank you too! [Beer]
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 08:09
If ever Id want a 500 lb'er dropped on my postion, that was it. I can not fathom.
the article where I finally saw the video, also had a translated video of a woman calling for :insert some muslim word: where they would drive spikes up yur ...yeah... and post you up "so to speak" and it would take a couple days to die.... still not sure which would be worse. that or the fire...
Bitter Clinger
02-04-2015, 09:01
evil exists in this world my friend. so does right and wrong. we the people, wrote this check. blood and treasure. we get to make these calls. they are wrong, we are right. if you have an entire race of people who are either "extremist" or unwilling to write the same check that we wrote, something will need to be done. in this case, they've pushed and pushed and pushed. the kids can fight all they want in the back of the classroom, but once the teacher gets hit with a spit ball, everybody pays.
they need to be dealt with. in the only manor in which they can relate. we aren't talking about humans. we are talking about a race that is sub human. they arent as advanced, they do not understand diplomacy, order, right and wrong... they do not understand what it takes to be human, because they aren't. they don't understand mercy, or forgiveness. they don't understand emotion, or beauty, or love.... they are bread this way.
this is not our fault. they did this to themselves. and that's because that's what they want. it's all they've ever wanted, and its all they will ever get. they've been fighting for allah for thousands of years and it'll reach our shores at some point (already has...). that is a fact.
it's an ugly truth, but the sooner we level a few cities, the sooner they have a chance at understanding. the longer we let this kind of thing be ok, the longer it will go on. there is a very real possibility that "extermination" is literally the only answer to this problem. we may not be there yet, but we are close to finding out.
no need for lock btw, mods, edit my post if need be. but im speaking from the heart about a very real problem. im not blanket hating on random people....
Well said! I couldn't agree more.
generalmeow
02-04-2015, 10:35
evil exists in this world my friend. so does right and wrong. we the people, wrote this check. blood and treasure. we get to make these calls. they are wrong, we are right. if you have an entire race of people who are either "extremist" or unwilling to write the same check that we wrote, something will need to be done. in this case, they've pushed and pushed and pushed. the kids can fight all they want in the back of the classroom, but once the teacher gets hit with a spit ball, everybody pays.
they need to be dealt with. in the only manor in which they can relate. we aren't talking about humans. we are talking about a race that is sub human. they arent as advanced, they do not understand diplomacy, order, right and wrong... they do not understand what it takes to be human, because they aren't. they don't understand mercy, or forgiveness. they don't understand emotion, or beauty, or love.... they are bread this way.
this is not our fault. they did this to themselves. and that's because that's what they want. it's all they've ever wanted, and its all they will ever get. they've been fighting for allah for thousands of years and it'll reach our shores at some point (already has...). that is a fact.
it's an ugly truth, but the sooner we level a few cities, the sooner they have a chance at understanding. the longer we let this kind of thing be ok, the longer it will go on. there is a very real possibility that "extermination" is literally the only answer to this problem. we may not be there yet, but we are close to finding out.
no need for lock btw, mods, edit my post if need be. but im speaking from the heart about a very real problem. im not blanket hating on random people....
I feel like the people who don't see it this way, eventually will.
They are winning when we are doing anything less than exterminating them. Their entire strategy appears to be based on the fact that we won't try it, so all they need to do is wait and have more kids than us.
If you're not thinking about extermination, you're playing into their hands. You're doing what they want you to do, which is to get enraged about a videos like this, and support a ground war where we go in with both hands tied behind our backs and a news station on every corner reporting on all of their civilians we kill. They win this way. They win every single way. Except one. The one route they don't think we'll go (and we won't go, because we're all brainwashed into believing that they might understand something other than beserker ultaviolence).
I believe we'll be forced to attempt to go that route one day when we're backed into a corner, but by then it will be too late. They'll have infiltrated us and grown to the point where we can't stop them. Maybe we're already there.
I'm in favor of sending in ground troops right now, and I'll gladly go myself, and I'll let me son go one day, but only if there are no rules, and big money isn't calling the shots. I don't agree with our soldiers being sent places when there are rules or there is any other strategy than steamrolling. No rebuilding, no aid, no mercy, no training local forces, no installing friendly governments, no media. If it creates a vacuum for bad guys, that's great. That's perfect. We want them to all go to one place.
I guess it all boils down to the fact that they seem to have a perfect long term strategy, and there's only one thing we can do to stop them. So do you want to stop them, or don't you?
I feel like the people who don't see it this way, eventually will.
They are winning when we are doing anything less than exterminating them. Their entire strategy appears to be based on the fact that we won't try it, so all they need to do is wait and have more kids than us.
If you're not thinking about extermination, you're playing into their hands. You're doing what they want you to do, which is to get enraged about a videos like this, and support a ground war where we go in with both hands tied behind our backs and a news station on every corner reporting on all of their civilians we kill. They win this way. They win every single way. Except one. The one route they don't think we'll go (and we won't go, because we're all brainwashed into believing that they might understand something other than beserker ultaviolence).
I believe we'll be forced to attempt to go that route one day when we're backed into a corner, but by then it will be too late. They'll have infiltrated us and grown to the point where we can't stop them. Maybe we're already there.
I'm in favor of sending in ground troops right now, and I'll gladly go myself, and I'll let me son go one day, but only if there are no rules, and big money isn't calling the shots. I don't agree with our soldiers being sent places when there are rules or there is any other strategy than steamrolling. No rebuilding, no aid, no mercy, no training local forces, no installing friendly governments, no media. If it creates a vacuum for bad guys, that's great. That's perfect. We want them to all go to one place.
I guess it all boils down to the fact that they seem to have a perfect long term strategy, and there's only one thing we can do to stop them. So do you want to stop them, or don't you?
[Beer]
I believe we'll be forced to attempt to go that route one day when we're backed into a corner, but by then it will be too late. They'll have infiltrated us and grown to the point where we can't stop them. Maybe we're already there.
I'm in favor of sending in ground troops right now, and I'll gladly go myself, and I'll let me son go one day, but only if there are no rules, and big money isn't calling the shots. I don't agree with our soldiers being sent places when there are rules or there is any other strategy than steamrolling. No rebuilding, no aid, no mercy, no training local forces, no installing friendly governments, no media. If it creates a vacuum for bad guys, that's great. That's perfect. We want them to all go to one place.
I agree with the point that they may have infiltrated the U.S. already. Also I agree with not sending troops into a place with no rules when we must follow our own. If we send American Soldiers to a Foreign fight, we should play by their rules.
A quick thought of "Black water" comes into my mind when sending in people for "no mercy" - I know this ruffles a lot of feathers, however, if needed to protect the U.S. I would gladly stop my career, and go over there and put in my time as long as there aren't U.S. rules, media, "big money," or politics involved. Put me on a rooftop with food, ammo, and some assistance, and let them get a taste of their medicine before they try their ideals on U.S. soil.
THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY - and most of us know what opinions are :D
generalmeow
02-04-2015, 11:19
But the whole "extermination" sentiment is just so vile and disgusting coming from people who appear to hold themselves as more human than groups such as ISIS.
BTW, I don't think I'm more human than them. But I do know that they insist that I become muslim, or they will kill me. The violent ones will cut my throat, and the moderate ones will hold me down.
Trying to negotiate with that doesn't make one morally superior, it makes one inferior. Nature insists that creatures go on the offensive sometimes to survive. We may be human, but we are also animals. And doing what the animal side says to do is almost always the right choice in the long term. The animal side knows what to do to survive based on millions of years of choices made and punished/rewarded. The human side is influenced by what the Kardashians think about it.
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 11:56
This is honestly how I would handle this problem.
Start with the biggest city that is ISIS controlled (dont care if it's Baghdad or what). Send in flyers. "3 days from now, every structure in this city will be destroyed, leaving behind only pebbles. Any person still in the city when this happens is considered an enemy. Thank you".
I swear I dont care if literally every single person good or bad leaves the towns. in fact, zero casualties (at this stage) would probably benefit us in the eyes of the "world". In fact, I might even support leaving 50 buses in the middle of town with the keys in em.. "get the fuck outta here guys". then you literally reduce the city into a pile of rubble. During this process, 24 hour drone patrols. all day, every day, drones flying low over their heads. tracking movement, obviously armed. somebody does something stupid, blow em up. equip the drones with a loud speaker message on repeat, saying that every person still in this part of the world is considered an enemy. la la la.
day after leveling city, more flyers go out. the next city will be destroyed in 2 days. boom. next city will be destroyed tomorrow. next city will be destroyed this afternoon. all the while with the drones. never once does an American soldier set foot on the ground. Literally never once. mix in a random, "this city will burn down in 2 days" or whatever. Literally using fire, destroy them. Tell the world that everyone was evacuated, and that there was an ebola outbreak there, necessitating the use of fire.
On the outlying cities, once a day, during prayer (coincidence mind you) drones blow up an "empty" structure. The purpose of this, is the water torture thing. One random building that by all accounts is empty, just goes away. Dont care if it's a shed, or outhouse. hell, dont care if it's one of the buses we gave em. blow something up.
What this will do, is allow at least a shred of "look, we dont want to kill civilians, see what we did?" with the flyers. Basically this is our disclaimer. yes I understand that nobody would support this wholeheartedly on the worlds stage, but in the back rooms everybody knows what needs to be done. This will also show an amazing amount of power. we dont even have a to put a boot on the ground, and we will dominate you until the end of days... Once it comes time to go into "sovereign" countries, we give them the option of continuing our strategy. If they politely decline, tell them we will sell them Iraqi oil at half price for 50 years to be our ally, and let us help rid the world of this problem. "Sorry Turkey, but the only thing that will ever enter your airspace, is a missile every day or two coming from the gulf, until these bad guys leave you and yours alone to live prosperously. "Keep in mind Turkey, that although it's phrased like a question, it's not. Thank you".
This will force the bad guys to constantly be moving. Into the hills, etc. This will force the "good" ones, to be moving also. Some of them go here, some go there, whatever. (Yes I know what that could eventually lead to). I mean, literally, eventually destroying every single building in iraq, afghanistan etc. We reserve half the oil rights, (because look, we already got fuckin lambasted even when we didnt take oil the last time), and we restructure the entire region. No more iraq. no more afghanistan. Isreal, here's a chunk if you want it, Jordan, heres a chunk if you want it. UAE, heres some, go get rich homies. Think about a country like the UAE, taking truckloads of money in there, printing even more money when they finally set up shop, and pretty soon, the country formally known as iraq will be the biggest tourist destination in the world. oh and not to mention, we are now making money selling oil back to the middle east. which we would invest in free cell phone programs and free health care here in the states so that the retards that we have here will even be on board with the plan.
PugnacAutMortem
02-04-2015, 12:26
I would actually support something along those lines. Not the best plan, though I'm not sure a "best plan" actually exists. You then have a MASSIVE refugee situation that would need to be dealt with immediately, but I don't have any problems flexing our muscles with no boots on the ground and fair warning to those who are innocent bystanders.
wctriumph
02-04-2015, 12:46
All these islamic assholes are doing is pissing us off. Do they think we are scared of them?
Any islamists on this board that want to chime in? Tell us, are you with us or against us? We are at a time when there will be no neutrality in the world. You will fight and die with islam or fight and die for freedom. There will be no middle ground.
TEA
III
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 13:04
All these islamic assholes are doing is pissing us off. Do they think we are scared of them?
Any islamists on this board that want to chime in? Tell us, are you with us or against us? We are at a time when there will be no neutrality in the world. You will fight and die with islam or fight and die for freedom. There will be no middle ground.
TEA
III
I was wondering if we have anybody that maybe is on the "other" side of this equation that might chime in?
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 13:06
I would actually support something along those lines. Not the best plan, though I'm not sure a "best plan" actually exists. You then have a MASSIVE refugee situation that would need to be dealt with immediately, but I don't have any problems flexing our muscles with no boots on the ground and fair warning to those who are innocent bystanders.
the refugee thing would right itself eventually.. many of those people would eventually be the citizen of a new country or whatever. point is, "leave now, go camping for a year, and bring some hammers and nails when you come back.. youre going to want to build some shelter".
Aloha_Shooter
02-04-2015, 13:20
In a private session with lawmakers, the king showed an extraordinary measure of anger — anger which he expressed by citing American movie icon Clint Eastwood."He said there is going to be retribution like ISIS hasn't seen," said Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr., a Marine Corps veteran of two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, who was in the meeting with the king. "He mentioned 'Unforgiven' and he mentioned Clint Eastwood, and he actually quoted a part of the movie."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/03/after-isis-execution-angry-king-abdullah-quotes-clint-eastwood-to-us-lawmakers/?intcmp=trending
Screw them. I say we shut their Internet down.
Let's see them try to run their organization or post stupid videos to the world then.
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 13:46
I dont think that would work. Israel does this now. They even text people to say "your building is going to be destroyed? Still the world hates Israel.
As far as refugees go, it wont work either.
The Balfour declaration gave Israel its current land and the land Jordan occupies. A rich sheik (soon to be king) went in and backroom dealed it and got Jordan given to them. Now Israel was granted Statehood in 1948 and given what was left of the land. The Muslim powers that were in charge at the time told the arab inhabitants of Israel to leave. And most did. Since then UNWRA has given them money and refugee status to this day. Even if they left willingly, even if they became citizens of Jordan. Still they fight against peace and democracy in Israel. No amount of fixing will fix the worlds muslim problems. Even if we nuked all of the arab/muslim capitals, it wouldnt stop the hate and violence. Because all countries of the earth now have the enemy already in the gates. All it would do is spread the hate and trigger the violence in western countries. The colleges are filled with the hate filled muslims. Our country is scared to deal with them. We have welcomed them into our homes and now its too late to go back.
yeah for sure.. dont get me wrong though, the process of displacing that many people will lead to A LOT of death. it just wont be at the hands of American soldiers, it'll be because they were migrating bla bla... every so often, an unfortunate accident where the food supply is accidentally blown up.. every now and then, "we have a credible threat bla bla" and we blow up an air base. systematically destroying everything they have. leaving only rubble. the only "collateral" damage would be starvation, disease, and truck loads of refugees getting shot up when they try to go into a neighboring country. then very stable countries go in a rebuild. not us. the problem will never go away, but we could set it back a few hundred years.
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 13:47
Screw them. I say we shut their Internet down.
Let's see them try to run their organization or post stupid videos to the world then.
oh absolutely.. all the power goes down, internet goes down, everything.
GilpinGuy
02-04-2015, 14:26
I guess beheadings were getting too boring. What will these sick fucks think of next to horrify the civilized world?
I read somewhere where a voice over on the video was talking about impaling victims so they would suffer for 2-3 days. Kind of a Vlad the impaler kind of deal.
Not sure if I read that on this site or another.
hollohas
02-04-2015, 15:48
Sadly, eliminating these evils SOB's is up to the rest of the world. Our "leader" isn't in the game. Hell, he classifies them as an "organization".
While Jordan takes only hours to start executing prisoners associated with ISIS and announcing that they will hunt down and kill them all, the US is busy letting terrorists free.
Chad4000
02-04-2015, 15:58
I read somewhere where a voice over on the video was talking about impaling victims so they would suffer for 2-3 days. Kind of a Vlad the impaler kind of deal.
Not sure if I read that on this site or another.
yeah I read that too...
HoneyBadger
02-04-2015, 16:10
I don't remember which WWI general said it (possibly Helmuth von Moltke the Younger or Joseph Joffre... initially, I thought it was from the Spanish American War, but now I'm leaning toward WWI or slightly pre-WWI) but in a nutshell:
(paraphrasing) "A quick and exceptionally brutal war is far better for everybody than a long and brutal war. There will be less dead, less pain, less suffering, and everyone will be able to get on with their lives quicker."
Even Sun Tsu knew that protracted warfare never benefitted the stronger side. Limited warfare as we know it today will not solve this problem.
hollohas
02-04-2015, 16:11
And there's this...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2939529/Slaughtered-entertainment-Crowds-gather-watch-barbaric-murder-Jordanian-pilot-specially-erected-giant-screens-streets-Raqqa-CHEER-airman-goes-flames.html
Slaughtered for their entertainment: Crowds gather to watch the barbaric murder of
Jordanian pilot on specially erected giant screens on the streets of Raqqa...
and CHEER when the airman goes up in flames
· -Shocking video shows ISIS supporters gathering to watch murder footage
· -Big screens have been erected in terror group's de facto capital Raqqa
· -Film of Moaz al-Kasasbeh being burnt alive appears to be playing on loop
· -Crowd cheer and shout religious slogans as pilot is engulfed by flames
· -Film then shows locals - including children - talking about the atrocity
· -Chilling new release is titled 'Muslims' Joy at Burning of Jordanian Pilot'
The media keeps referring to this as a "murder".
I'm curious what, if any, the difference is between a murder and an execution?
Serious question. Maybe one of you can share your thoughts with me.
hollohas
02-04-2015, 16:33
The media keeps referring to this as a "murder".
I'm curious what, if any, the difference is between a murder and an execution?
Serious question. Maybe one of you can share your thoughts with me.
Lack of public trial?
Murder is a crime of passion,driven by emotion. Execution is driven by perceived necessity or a perception of justice being done, and commonly carried out without emotion, by officials with no personal stake. Shooting, hanging, lethal injection, or other "humane" forms of killing might be justifiable on some level as an execution. The level of cruelty shown here would eliminate any such designation by "civilized" men.
Aloha_Shooter
02-04-2015, 16:59
The media keeps referring to this as a "murder".
I'm curious what, if any, the difference is between a murder and an execution?
Serious question. Maybe one of you can share your thoughts with me.
Legitimacy. An execution in theory has some legal legitimacy because it's performed by the accepted government or as part of a just cause. ISIS is not a legitimate government so they are committing murder rather than carrying out an execution. In addition, immolation has not been an accepted form of execution since about the 17th or 18th century.
In addition, immolation has not been an accepted form of execution since about the 17th or 18th century.
...but you're talking about individuals that want to bring back the 8th century.
Sent from my electronic leash.
I'm curious about some things about ISIS (I Suck Islamic Schlong)
1. Who is funding them?
2. Who is supplying weapons?
3. Who is providing technical and logistical support?
These rock-throwing, goat-banging, dress-wearing, camel-dick-sucking can't be doing this on their own. Thete has to be state sponsorship or other deep pockets.
Let's see if this goes anywhere...
Arab World Unites in Anger After Burning of Jordanian Pilot (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/arab-world-unites-in-anger-after-burning-of-jordanian-pilot/ar-AA8ZmcO)
AMMAN, Jordan — There was one feeling that many of the Middle East’s fractious clerics, competing ethnic groups and warring sects could agree on Wednesday: a shared sense of revulsion at the Islamic State’s latest excess, its video showing a Jordanian pilot being burned alive inside a cage.
In Syria, the government denounced the group that has been fighting it for months, but so did Qaeda fighters who oppose both the government and the Islamic State. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian government for once agreed on something, the barbarity of the militant group for the way it murdered the Jordanian, First Lt. Moaz al-Kasasbeh. Grand Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the head of Cairo’s thousand-year-old Al Azhar institute and a leading Sunni scholar, was so angered that he called for the Islamic State’s extremists to be “killed, or crucified, or their hands and legs cut off.”
In a way that the beheadings of hostages had not, the immolation of Lieutenant Kasasbeh united the Arab world in an explosion of anger and disgust at the extremists, also known as ISIS or ISIL, or to most Arabs by the word “Daesh,” derived from the extremists’ Arabic acronym.
The sense of anti-Daesh unity made for strange scenes throughout the region. Jordan’s King Abdullah II, caught by surprise in Washington when the video was released, returned home not to anger at his absence, but to a hero’s welcome. Crowds lined his route from the airport to cheer Jordan’s decision to promptly retaliate by executing two convicted terrorists, both with connections to the Islamic State, only hours earlier.
Never known as a charismatic leader, King Abdullah got rave reviews at home for his tough talk in Washington, where in a meeting with congressional leaders he said his retribution would remind people of the Clint Eastwood movie “Unforgiven.”
While the propaganda video, with its vows to kill other fighter pilots bombing Islamic State positions, was clearly aimed at trying to scare Jordan out of the American-led coalition fighting the extremists, it seems to have had the opposite effect among many Jordanians. Jordan is one of a half-dozen Arab countries actively participating in the coalition, in addition to Iraq, and Jordan’s government spokesman said the kingdom would now step up its involvement.
“I guess in a way we lost a pilot, but at the same time I think the government gained a collective support for fighting them, in Jordan and from all around too,” said Adnan Abu-Odeh, a former head of Jordan’s intelligence service. “Daesh have made a big error. When you are weakened as they have been, you try to make your supporters think you are strong by being more monstrous, but this time they went too far.”
In Syria, where a chaotic four-year insurgency provided the Islamic State with an incubator, both those supporting President Bashar al-Assad and those opposing him condemned the act, as did their foreign backers.
Iran, the Syrian government’s most important ally and no friend of Jordan, called the pilot’s killing “inhumane and un-Islamic.” Al Manar, the television station of another ally of the Syrian government, the Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah, called it “the most gruesome” of many atrocities committed by the Islamic State.
Qatar, which opposes Mr. Assad, likewise condemned the killing as “contravening the tolerant principles” of Islam. Turkey, blamed by many in the region for allowing foreign fighters to cross its borders into Syria, where some join the Islamic State, also chimed in. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called it an act of “savagery” that had no place in Islam, adding, “I curse and damn the burning of the Jordanian pilot.”
Denouncing the Islamic State as a “diabolical” terrorist group, Al Azhar’s leader and grand imam, Mr. Tayeb, cited Quranic verses to show that Islam forbids the burning or mutilation of enemies at war.
“This vile terrorist act,” he said in a statement issued by Al Azhar, “requires punishment as cited by the Quran for oppressors and spoilers on earth who fight God and his prophet, that they be killed, or crucified, or their hands and legs cut off.”
Al Azhar, a seat of Islamic learning, considers itself a beacon of moderation and tolerance for the Sunni Muslim world, and the statement offered no explanation for the incongruity of Mr. Tayeb’s advocating some of the same medieval punishments typically employed by extremists.
Mainstream Arab leaders reacted to the immolation in a categorically different way to the long string of hostage beheadings that preceded it. Partly that may have been because, according to many commentators Wednesday, burning someone alive is prohibited in Islam as a punishment that belongs to God alone, applied in hell. Beheadings, on the other hand, have a long Islamic history.
Others, while condemning the Islamic State, sought to draw attention to the Syrian government’s barrel bombings of cities that, according to Human Rights Watch and other organizations tracking the conflict, kill far more civilians than the extremists — however depraved and attention-grabbing the militant group’s methods.
Khaled Khoja, the president of the main Syrian exile opposition group, linked the pilot’s participation in the struggle against the Islamic State directly to his own country’s opposition’s struggle against Mr. Assad.
“Moaz’s blood has mingled with the soil of our beloved Syria, and whose remains mingled with those of hundreds of thousands of Syrians killed by Assad’s barrel bombs and the terrorist group ISIS,” Mr. Khoja said in a statement. “While I strongly condemn this barbaric act, which symbolizes pure evil that the terrorist group represents, and the deepest of depravity to which they are prepared to sink, I call upon the peoples and governments of the world to stand by the Syrian people and end their suffering caused by the Assad regime and ISIS alike.”
Ken Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said that both forms of killing should be condemned.
“ISIS’s despicable conduct shouldn’t make us lose sight of the largest killer of civilians in Syria: Assad’s barrel bombs,” he said in an email. “The world has been reluctant to address them out of a misguided sense that nothing should be done that might constrain the fight against ISIS, but barrel bombs have little if any military significance. They are so inaccurate that the Syrian air force doesn’t dare drop them near the front line for fear of hitting its own troops.”
“It will be hard to win the hearts and minds of the Syrian people by arguing that they should stand up to ISIS’s atrocities while ignoring the government’s,” he said.
mackbamf
02-05-2015, 12:01
Maybe now the bleeding hearts in America will wake up to true barbarity of those forces that are against us and realize the politically correct approach we are taking is fruitless. I hope now that when they speak of the “atrocities” of Abu Ghraib they realize that trying to get information by pouring cups on water on someone’s face, taking some embarrassing photos and maybe shoving a broom handle up their ass isn’t so bad after all.
I'm curious about some things about ISIS (I Suck Islamic Schlong)
1. Who is funding them?
2. Who is supplying weapons?
3. Who is providing technical and logistical support?
These rock-throwing, goat-banging, dress-wearing, camel-dick-sucking can't be doing this on their own. Thete has to be state sponsorship or other deep pockets.
Lot's of stolen and blackmarketed oil. To the tune of about 3 mil a day. Plus, they have former leaders of Iraqs Army to organize them. This is a huge shitstorm. The weapons? Look at what vehicles they're driving. Apparently they are getting fighters from 90 different countries through Turkey.
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