Background Check Fee to Drop to $7 in March?

[Rucker61]

Just saw this on a gun facebook page. Any conformation?

[beast556]

I will be surprised if this is true.

[mtnrider]

As far as I know it was a notification sent to FFL's. So I'd say it's probably true. Not that it really does anything for us. Wahooo! saves me a whooping $3. Still forced to do a BGC.

[To Bear Arms]

From the email:

Colorado House Bill (HB) 13-1228 requires that a fee be collected for firearm background checks prior to a firearm transfer by a Federal Firearm Licensee (FFL). This law went into effect on March 20, 2013. Based on estimated expenses and projected firearms background check volume, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) initially set the fee at $10.00 per background check request.

This fee is reviewed by the CBI on an annual basis to determine if any adjustments are necessary. Adjustments to the fee may include the projected number of background check requests, changes in staffing levels to meet expected demand, or IT system enhancements that are needed in the operation of the InstaCheck Unit.

Upon examination of expenses, the CBI has determined a reduction in the fee is appropriate. Therefore, beginning Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:01 A.M. (MST), the CBI will reduce the fee for a firearm background check from $10.00 to $7.00 (USD). This time frame will allow FFLs to modify their point-of-sale or internal enterprise accounting systems. Any firearms background checks processed prior to this date will be assessed the $10.00 fee, including the February 1, 2015 through February 28, 2015 transactions listed on the invoice to be mailed the beginning of March 2015.

[Brian]

True, I rec'd the email about this a couple hours ago.
$7 as of Mar 1.

(TBA beat me to it...) :)

[Big E3]

Now if we as private citizens can directly access CBI, or wave the BGC with a valid CCW for private purchase it would be a step in the right direction. I still have a real bur under my saddle when it comes to FFL's breaking the law and charging more than the mandated $10 transaction fee for private sales.

[def90]

Now if we as private citizens can directly access CBI, or wave the BGC with a valid CCW for private purchase it would be a step in the right direction. I still have a real bur under my saddle when it comes to FFL's breaking the law and charging more than the mandated $10 transaction fee for private sales.
The $10/$7 is for the background check.. That money goes to the state and has nothing to do with the business. A business can charge whatever they want for the transfer.. Should they do it for free? How much work are you willing to do at your place of employment for free?

[Bowtie]

So they were overcharging by 30%

[DOC]

Repeal it all. If I was a gun dealer I would be on the phone to the law makers talking about how hard it is to do business and make money with these regulations. I'm sure it would turn a head sooner or later.

[mtnrider]

The $10/$7 is for the background check.. That money goes to the state and has nothing to do with the business. A business can charge whatever they want for the transfer.. Should they do it for free? How much work are you willing to do at your place of employment for free?

Per the law (as it was written) $10 to CBI and a Dealer may charge "up to" $10 for there service. So $20 total should be the max you pay anywhere.

[Big E3]

Why is that a bur in your saddle? What other retail industry has ANY regulated prices?

FWIW we're the only one doing it free to my knowledge. We were doing free transfers (FFL to FFL) with neons and the works before the law went into effect so we got fucked. It used to be, people felt mildly guilty about getting a service and not paying a dime for it, so 65% would tip. So on average, we got $10 a transfer and it was justified.

Now, we get bum-raped by dozens and dozens person to person transfers (which wasn't ever what we intended), CBI collects their $10 fee, of which, $1.50 cover expenses, and the person thinks we get paid. Less than 5% tip now. Many think they are doing US a favor. Many want a reach around "Can you give us a bill of sale?".

Some even bitch us out. I had one customer yell at me because I told him to come in later in the afternoon when he called and I wouldn't "squeeze him in" free work in for him when I had to go pick up shipments. And no, I wasn't rude.
"Can't you just squeeze me in?" "No, sir, we have limited staffing and I need to get our COD deliveries" "WELL YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS FUCKER". "Sir, that's why we offer a free service." "*GETS EVEN MORE IRATE*

While I was going out of my way for positive customer service as if I ever got paid. What am I, the fucking free DMV?

So, there is no bur. I may do it free, and honestly, because we got the short end of the stick. A business should be able to charge whatever the ever loving hell they want to in a free market economy. The State getting the belief they can regulate jack shit in terms of pricing is a very real problem. If dealers stuck to that mantra less than 10% of dealers would do any transfers at all. (Most were charging beyond $10 before, who is the State to tell them what to charge).

I'm sorry are you talking to me or ranting about the stupid f'ing BGC law.

Sounds like you hate these laws as much as me. I'm only pissed that everybody including the FFL's should have to follow these shitty laws. The law says "shall not exceed $10" then that's what it is, I didn't write it and I don't agree with it. Everybody here gets there nose bent when someone suggests a mag parts kit, that is not specifically excluded in the mag ban law. But nobody mentions the fact that the BGC law says quote: (d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN DOLLARS. Pretty straight forward. I'm not saying there is any way that covers your cost, I'm saying is the law nobody enforces. I don't expect every FFL to be willing to do private transfers but if they do shouldn't they have to follow the law like the rest of us. The bur comes from FFL's that flaunt the law buy publishing what they charge for transfers and it is more that the law allows. It sucks that the state gets there $10 for a simple background check that takes 3 minutes and you have to do all the paperwork and maintain it for the rest of your life, but that's the law. If FFL's can't do it for $10 and all of them refuse then maybe the law would have to get changed. Would that be such a bad thing if nobody in Colorado could privately sell there gun legally and the courts had to step in and interpret 2A. Maybe the entire law gets thrown out because of hardship or whatever. Maybe if the people understand the injustice that is perpetrated on the FFL's something could change. I have nothing personal against FFl's, I was one once.

[KS63]

Still $7-$10 too much.

[Big E3]

The $10/$7 is for the background check.. That money goes to the state and has nothing to do with the business. A business can charge whatever they want for the transfer.. Should they do it for free? How much work are you willing to do at your place of employment for free?

I was referring to two parts of the BGC law that you may want to read before commenting. 1st the state can charge $10 for a background check and 2nd the FFL can charge as much as $10 for the private transaction. I make no mention of the FFL doing anything for free, and I would not work for free either. Your statement that "A business can charge whatever they want for the transfer", you can dream but that's not the law as writen and that's what I'm dealing with in my statements. If the state creates a law that says I can only charge X for my service I would have to change that ammount or stop providing that service until I could change the law.

[newracer]

A step in the right direction would be repeal of the law.

[mtnrider]

A step in the right direction would be repeal of the law.

We had a chance to try and change this last election but the voters choose other wise. It's here to stay.

[Justin]

Repeal it all. If I was a gun dealer I would be on the phone to the law makers talking about how hard it is to do business and make money with these regulations. I'm sure it would turn a head sooner or later.

If they didn't care about Magpul and the hundreds of people they employed and tens of millions of dollars of tax revenue they paid, they are not going to care in the least about things being harder for a tiny gun shop run by the exact sort of people who they wish to put out of business.

The Democrats revel in the idea of making life more difficult for the average gun owner.

These are people who are neither reasonable, rational, or even philosophically consistent.

They do, however, hate you and anyone like you.

[Herman]

Quick question, what do most ffl charge for a bgc/transfer

[DOC]

If they didn't care about Magpul and the hundreds of people they employed and tens of millions of dollars of tax revenue they paid, they are not going to care in the least about things being harder for a tiny gun shop run by the exact sort of people who they wish to put out of business.

The Democrats revel in the idea of making life more difficult for the average gun owner.

These are people who are neither reasonable, rational, or even philosophically consistent.

They do, however, hate you and anyone like you.

A squeaky wheel gets greased.

[beast556]

I have to say im supprised 99% of the time government fees (taxes) go up they never go down.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have to say im supprised 99% of the time government fees (taxes) go up they never go down.

They'll make up the difference with that new fuel tax .

[Irving]

I have to say im supprised 99% of the time government fees (taxes) go up they never go down.

Can you name the ONLY toll road in US history to ever pay itself off and stop being a toll road? It won't ever happen again.

[Big E3]

Can you name the ONLY toll road in US history to ever pay itself off and stop being a toll road? It won't ever happen again.

36 to Boulder was a toll road when I was growing up.

[Irving]

36 to Boulder was a toll road when I was growing up.

Ding Ding Ding.

[brutal]

Didn't 470 west of I25 start out as a toll road?

[Irving]

Didn't 470 west of I25 start out as a toll road?

Hey bub, I'm only good for one questionable trivia question a day.

[def90]

I was referring to two parts of the BGC law that you may want to read before commenting. 1st the state can charge $10 for a background check and 2nd the FFL can charge as much as $10 for the private transaction. I make no mention of the FFL doing anything for free, and I would not work for free either. Your statement that "A business can charge whatever they want for the transfer", you can dream but that's not the law as writen and that's what I'm dealing with in my statements. If the state creates a law that says I can only charge X for my service I would have to change that ammount or stop providing that service until I could change the law.

I only remember ever reading that the state mandated how much an FFL can charge for the background check, never remember reading about anything where the state regulated how much a FFL can charge for a transfer.. have a link to that info?

[mtnrider]

I only remember ever reading that the state mandated how much an FFL can charge for the background check, never remember reading about anything where the state regulated how much a FFL can charge for a transfer.. have a link to that info?

Here is the link. It's under 2(d)

"(d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION
WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN
DOLLARS"

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/590C29B4C02AFC2F87257A8E0073C303?Open&file=1229_enr.pdf

[BlasterBob]

I was referring to two parts of the BGC law that you may want to read before commenting. 1st the state can charge $10 for a background check and 2nd the FFL can charge as much as $10 for the private transaction. I make no mention of the FFL doing anything for free, and I would not work for free either. Your statement that "A business can charge whatever they want for the transfer", you can dream but that's not the law as writen and that's what I'm dealing with in my statements. If the state creates a law that says I can only charge X for my service I would have to change that ammount or stop providing that service until I could change the law.

Yep, prior to these new BS laws being passed, the transfers performed especially at CO gun shows were subject to a miximum of $10 for the complete transfer. At many shows, that maximum price was even posted at the entrances of the shows. When our smart legislators wrote these new laws, they knew that a purchaser of a cheapie gun selling for somewhere around $100 or so, would quickly forget the purchase if he/she had to pay between $20 to $50 for the new required BCG and this would possibly mean one less firearm to be out on the streets. A number of FFL dealers at the gun shows (prior to the new transfer requirement laws) seemed content to pick up a quick $10 for their services of the transfers. Back then, some FFL's would even set up a table with nothing to sell, ONLY to make the transfers.

[Justin]

A squeaky wheel gets greased.

Trite cliches do not reflect political reality.

Without a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate, the repeal attempts are DOA.

The democrats actively despise gun owners, if for no other reason than dragging them through the recalls.

That said, if you get one of them to change their mind and vote for repeal, I will happily eat my words.

[OneGuy67]

Didn't 470 west of I25 start out as a toll road?

Nope.

[def90]

Here is the link. It's under 2(d)

"(d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION
WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN
DOLLARS"

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/590C29B4C02AFC2F87257A8E0073C303?Open&file=1229_enr.pdf

The law that was passed and that you link to requires that a background check be performed when transferring a gun in a private transaction. The section you quote is in regards to the CBI background check itself which the state has dictated what an FFL can charge for that "service" which is the background check, the law does not legislate what an FFL can charge for the actual transfer bringing the firearm into their books and then transferring it to the new owner which has passed the background check.

Seeing that the transfer doesn't happen until after the background check has been performed it is entirely possible to run a background check which would cost $10 and not perform the transfer after the fact for whatever reason.. the receiving party fails or the buyer or seller backs out of the transaction.

[Big E3]

The law that was passed and that you link to requires that a background check be performed when transferring a gun in a private transaction. The section you quote is in regards to the CBI background check itself which the state has dictated what an FFL can charge for that "service" which is the background check, the law does not legislate what an FFL can charge for the actual transfer bringing the firearm into their books and then transferring it to the new owner which has passed the background check.

Seeing that the transfer doesn't happen until after the background check has been performed it is entirely possible to run a background check which would cost $10 and not perform the transfer after the fact for whatever reason.. the receiving party fails or the buyer or seller backs out of the transaction.

So some how in the very clear section of the law you are reading, you believe it says the state (CBI) and not the FFL is the only one being referenced for compensation.