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Singlestack
02-13-2015, 07:31
This has me wondering if Sharia law is actually being practiced in US muslim-dominated communities (Dearborn MI, for example)? I understand that the No-go zones in Europe are basically ran as Sharia law zones where muslims take care of their own civil and criminal matters under Sharia law. With this sort of stuff popping up,I can see the need for laws forbidding Sharia. Anyone else?
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/02/texas-islamic-tribunal-already-trouble-law-false-claims/
Texas Islamic Tribunal Already in Trouble with Law Over False Claims
72 Comments (http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/02/texas-islamic-tribunal-already-trouble-law-false-claims/#disqus_thread)





The Islamic Tribunal (http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/2015/01/islamists-establish-sharia-tribunal-texas/), set up in North Texas to hear cases under Sharia law for followers of Islam (http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/01/islamists-establish-sharia-tribunal-texas/), has hit a bump in the road (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/11/the-reason-north-texas-controversial-islamic-tribunal-may-already-be-in-trouble-with-the-law/). On their website, through an image captured by Lawrence Jones, the four individuals named to the tribunal were listed as "attorneys" even though not all of them had law degrees.
As Lawrence Jones told Dana Loesch on her television program Tuesday, "You cannot say that you're an attorney in the United States of America, and you have no documentation – especially in Texas."
According to The Blaze (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/11/the-reason-north-texas-controversial-islamic-tribunal-may-already-be-in-trouble-with-the-law/):

Jones filed a complaint with the Texas Unauthorized Practice of Law Committee (http://www.txuplc.org/), which is appointed by the Supreme Court of Texas and charged with preventing the unauthorized practice of law.

As of Wednesday, the site appears to have removed the word "attorneys."


Jones said, "I called the state and I called the chair, I actually spoke with him today. He made it very clear that they had received my complaint. We were one of the first to actually get that complaint in. And there is a large group of people that are bringing this same concern."
http://cdn5.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tribunal1-620x505.png (http://cdn5.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tribunal1-620x505.png)http://cdn5.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tribunal2-620x550.png (http://cdn5.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tribunal2-620x550.png)
Jones, one of the only reporters allowed inside the "Stand with the Prophet (http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/01/islamists-deny-media-access-muslim-conference-no-explanation-get-downright-rude/)" event in late January, had concerns that this tribunal would "follow in the footsteps of some in Europe and begin wading into criminal matters," even though the tribunal has declared their intent to deal solely with civil matters.
Now the site indicates these individuals are "judges." They certainly are not "judges" in any sense of the word as is commonly known through the US judicial system.
The question every American citizen should be asking is, "Why was this allowed to be started in the first place?"
Every state has civil laws along with criminal laws. These laws are based on theUnited States Constitution (http://www.amazon.com/s/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&field-keywords=constitution&linkCode=ur2&tag=freedomoutpos-20&url=search-alias%3Daps&linkId=H5XKXDSS63ZB4RAF) and the respective states' constitution. As a nation that exists on one of the founding principles that "all men are created equal," our laws are written to uphold that principle meaning everyone is equal when it comes to the law regardless of religion, gender, socio-economic status, nationality or creed. Our foundation was such that no man could be disparaged against or favored because of conflicting tenets that might be found in differing cultures.
From the teachings of Mohammed, the testimony of a woman is worth half of one man. So, in civil matters this "tribunal" seeks to oversee in subversion of our civil laws, a woman testifying against a man has very little weight. By allowing this tribunal, North Texas has taken a stand to say that a woman, who is Muslim, is by virtue of religion a second-class citizen non-deserving of the equal protection of the laws of the state and the federal government. Let's not forget that non-Muslims are even lower than women in Islamic Shariah.
Islamic Shariah law is skewed in favor of the male members of Islam. Not only are women at a disadvantage, but female children are as well (http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/12/global-islamic-sexual-jihad-waged-infidel-women-children/). In civil matters such as divorce, child custody, personal injury, negligence, and property disputes along with a host of other civil matters, women have the deck stacked against them under Shariah. Non-Muslims are disparaged as well under their law.
These Muslim "men" are only seeking to keep their perceived superiority. It is offensive to them that a woman, or any non-Muslim, would hold the same standing under the law as a Muslim man. The only way to subvert the "equality under the law" here in the United States is to convince or coerce the politically correct imbeciles in government positions to sanction a "tribunal" for civil matters based on Islamic Shariah law. By doing this, these government idiots allow inequality to exist because of a tenet of religion thereby going against the very foundation of our founding.
Wonder how long it will take the atheists to hop up and say they need a special "tribunal" to hear their civil matters? Better yet, what about the LGBT community? Maybe the secular humanists would like to weigh in with their own "tribunals" since the Supreme Court declared that group to actually be a religion. And, of course, we can't leave out the "religion" of the environmentalists, Satanists (http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/2014/09/freedom-religion-satanic-mass/), pagans and any host of others who have formed false religions. Where does this all stop once one pseudo-religion is allowed a "special tribunal" for "their" civil matters? And, now that this has been allowed to take hold. How long before this one little tribunal in Texas seeks to insert its influence into criminal matters?
If that is allowed, it won't be long before it hits the "mainstream" justice system, affecting every individual in this country. While this may sound farfetched, look at the political correct liberal appeasing judges that already sit on the bench.
What happens when a civil dispute arises between a Muslim and a non-Muslim? Does the Muslim "tribunal" have jurisdiction or does the dispute go to the US judicial system? Could not the Muslim demand to have his case heard under the tribunal since one is in existence in North Texas? After all, the Muslim could assert the US judicial system has no authority in his dispute as he is a Muslim, even when it is against a non-Muslim.
Now that this tribunal exists, – yes, let's go there – are we about to witness "Shariah Zones" pop up in the great State of Texas? You can bet your sweet bippy that once an inch is given, the taking of the mile is coming. After all, Muslims may assert that they cannot live under two conflicting judicial systems.
A host of problems are sure to follow in North Texas and the rest of the US with this "tribunal" establishment. Practitioners of Islam cannot serve two masters. They cannot live in a country like the United States and follow its laws as Islam has its own set of civil and criminal laws. It is an egregious totalitarian political judicial system that hides itself under the cover of religion. These followers of a pedophilic, war-mongering mad man (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OPAFGL4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00OPAFGL4&linkCode=as2&tag=freedomoutpos-20&linkId=EUYZPQKL6MRVEACA) seek not to assimilate but to conquer all people and rule them under barbaric principles steeped in bigotry, misogyny, hate and vile evil.
Interesting that these idolaters chose the great State of Texas to gain a foothold for their "tribunal."
This is what comes of a country when part of the population buys into "multiculturalism (http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/multiculturalism-sharia-law-illegal-immigrants-critical-look/)" and those who bought the fodder are placed in positions of power. How many countries in Europe are we witness to the "joy of multiculturalism?" Native populations are suffering at the hands of those who will not assimilate – mainly Muslims.
Here's a good suggestion for Muslims who want to follow and abide by Shariah law – US citizen or not - move to a country that practices it as you are free to do so. If you don't want to do that, sit down, shut up and abide by the laws of this nation and the state in which you live. Everyone else does

buffalobo
02-13-2015, 07:51
I heard portions of an interview with two of the leaders putting this tribunal together.

They were lying their asses off. Their intent is to expand this at the first opportunity.

Every women's rights group in the country should be going ballistic. All American citizens should be bitch slapping reps and senators.

Sharia law in my town? Maybe after they bury me.

ruthabagah
02-13-2015, 08:39
Just a clarification: " I understand that the No-go zones in Europe are basically ran as Sharia law zones where muslims take care of their own civil and criminal matters under Sharia law."

This is a lie. Not sure about the rest of the article, but that does not start well....

Irving
02-13-2015, 08:48
This is disturbing. Thanks for bringing it to light.

buffalobo
02-13-2015, 09:18
and alot of them first.
Damn straight.

Great-Kazoo
02-13-2015, 09:21
I heard portions of an interview with two of the leaders putting this tribunal together.

They were lying their asses off. Their intent is to expand this at the first opportunity.

Every women's rights group in the country should be going ballistic. All American citizens should be bitch slapping reps and senators.

Sharia law in my town? Maybe after they bury me.


and alot of them first.

It wouldn't even get off the ground here.

roberth
02-13-2015, 10:08
I heard portions of an interview with two of the leaders putting this tribunal together.

They were lying their asses off. Their intent is to expand this at the first opportunity.

Every women's rights group in the country should be going ballistic. All American citizens should be bitch slapping reps and senators.

Sharia law in my town? Maybe after they bury me.


and alot of them first.

Shoulder to shoulder, I'm with you.

Singlestack
02-13-2015, 10:34
Just a clarification: " I understand that the No-go zones in Europe are basically ran as Sharia law zones where muslims take care of their own civil and criminal matters under Sharia law."

This is a lie. Not sure about the rest of the article, but that does not start well....


http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/dearborn-no-go-zone-where-islam-rules-and-christians-are-stoned
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones
http://truthuncensored.net/there-are-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-usa/
http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-europe/

The lib media (Huffpo, media matters, Daily Kos, etc) are all trying to spin that no-go zones don't exist. The truth says otherwise. I guess if you put your faith in those type of "news" organizations, you will believe anything...

ruthabagah
02-13-2015, 11:05
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/dearborn-no-go-zone-where-islam-rules-and-christians-are-stoned
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones
http://truthuncensored.net/there-are-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-usa/
http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-europe/

The lib media (Huffpo, media matters, Daily Kos, etc) are all trying to spin that no-go zones don't exist. The truth says otherwise. I guess if you put your faith in those type of "news" organizations, you will believe anything...

Yep total BS. It's been debunked many many times. Even FOX news retracted their stories about them.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/21/man-at-the-center-of-no-go-zone-controversy-speaks-out-it-was-like-i-was-guilty-of-murder/

ruthabagah
02-13-2015, 11:35
What does this page say ruthabagah?


http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

It looks like all the stories are based on this. What does it say and what does it mean?

it's a list of Urban areas that the government identified as being in need of extra investment and police presence. Nothing more.

The fun part of the whole "No-go zone" is that one of them encompass a place I grew up in.... A place that is now "gentrified", but used to be like, maybe five point in Denver, in the early 80'. Most of the alleged pictures of muslim praying in the street of Paris, Berlin or Birmingham (UK), where taken during a muslim holiday, and do not represent a "Normal" day.

Please note: I am certainly NOT a muslim sympathizer (just refer to some of my comments on this forum), I am just trying to get the record straight on what is the truth and what is pure "tinfoil hat" news.

roberth
02-13-2015, 11:52
Islam crept into this country as a religion with all the first amendment rights any religion in entitled to. Now the truth about Islam is coming out, it isn't a religion, it is a form of government in direct competition with and in violation of the Constitution, just like Communism.

Singlestack
02-13-2015, 12:47
+1 Absolutely right. With Islam comes a whole other set of values and laws that are antithetical to our constitution, laws, and way of life.

>it's a list of Urban areas that the government identified as being in need of extra investment and police presence. Nothing more.
Where on earth do you get that from? Facts, please...

ruthabagah
02-13-2015, 13:53
+1 Absolutely right. With Islam comes a whole other set of values and laws that are antithetical to our constitution, laws, and way of life.

>it's a list of Urban areas that the government identified as being in need of extra investment and police presence. Nothing more.
Where on earth do you get that from? Facts, please...

I have known about the ZUS since the mid 70'... Because I had family living in one. Also, I could paste all the articles defining what a ZUS is, but most of them are in French. See this Wikipedia article that seems to give a good definition http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_urban_zone

Aloha_Shooter
02-13-2015, 15:22
To be fair, how do you make a distinction between Muslims wanting to try a private non-criminal matter in a shariah court or tribunal and Amish wishing to handle matters locally or even regular citizens wishing to use an arbitrator instead of going to court? I am not naive about how some groups have made certain neighborhoods dangerous places for police or other outsiders to venture (which isn't all that different from how some US Army bases had "No officer country" back in the late 70s) but we need to think things through rather than appear reflexively anti-Islamic. We need to show how their case is different from similar-sounding instances that have been not only tolerated but embraced in the past.

clodhopper
02-13-2015, 16:02
To be fair, how do you make a distinction between Muslims wanting to try a private non-criminal matter in a shariah court or tribunal and Amish wishing to handle matters locally or even regular citizens wishing to use an arbitrator instead of going to court? I am not naive about how some groups have made certain neighborhoods dangerous places for police or other outsiders to venture (which isn't all that different from how some US Army bases had "No officer country" back in the late 70s) but we need to think things through rather than appear reflexively anti-Islamic. We need to show how their case is different from similar-sounding instances that have been not only tolerated but embraced in the past.

For me the big issue revolves around not assimilating to the American culture. One of the strengths this country had was people coming here to be Americans, and coming here and actively joining our team. The shariah enclaves are about coming here to benefit from our society without wanting to become part of it. What inevitably follows is the push to change the native culture because it violates the beliefs of the new people. I don't agree with the Amish enclaves either, but the Amish don't go about recruiting followers, monopolizing local governments and demanding everyone else make changes to accommodate them.

Kinda like them fookers from California that move to Colorado and bring with them the expectations of turning it into California cause everything is so hunky dory there. If it was so good there, why did ya come here? Jerks.

68Charger
02-13-2015, 16:06
To be fair, how do you make a distinction between Muslims wanting to try a private non-criminal matter in a shariah court or tribunal and Amish wishing to handle matters locally or even regular citizens wishing to use an arbitrator instead of going to court? I am not naive about how some groups have made certain neighborhoods dangerous places for police or other outsiders to venture (which isn't all that different from how some US Army bases had "No officer country" back in the late 70s) but we need to think things through rather than appear reflexively anti-Islamic. We need to show how their case is different from similar-sounding instances that have been not only tolerated but embraced in the past.

very simple- if both sides agree to an arbitrator, then it's fine... but if one party forces another to use an artbitrator rather than going to court, then we have a problem.

ETA: The arbitrator must also follow law of the jurisdiction they are in... for example, stoning your daughter for dating an infidel would land you in jail, no matter what the tribunal says.

ruthabagah
02-13-2015, 16:45
There should be only one law for the land and it should be agnostic. You want to live under the sharia? Move to the middle east. You want a christian law? Move to the Vatican. Dura lex, sed lex.

buffalobo
02-13-2015, 16:49
very simple- if both sides agree to an arbitrator, then it's fine... but if one party forces another to use an artbitrator rather than going to court, then we have a problem.

ETA: The arbitrator must also follow law of the jurisdiction they are in... for example, stoning your daughter for dating an infidel would land you in jail, no matter what the tribunal says.
^^^^^This

wctriumph
02-14-2015, 17:06
I don't see and no-go zones developing here but if they do, I will be going there to make sure that it will always be a go zone. I ain't scared.

DAL357
02-14-2015, 20:49
Sharia law in your town some day?

If Allah wills it.

Bwaahahahaha!!!

Double00
02-14-2015, 20:54
Sounds like fun to me!

HoneyBadger
02-14-2015, 21:38
This is why companies like AR500armor.com have a 10 week wait on orders...

Ah Pook
02-14-2015, 22:17
As BSC as my area is, I do not see this even being a question in the near future...or the distant future.

GilpinGuy
02-15-2015, 00:12
very simple- if both sides agree to an arbitrator, then it's fine... but if one party forces another to use an artbitrator rather than going to court, then we have a problem.

ETA: The arbitrator must also follow law of the jurisdiction they are in... for example, stoning your daughter for dating an infidel would land you in jail, no matter what the tribunal says.

This is so BINGO. If they want to pay in goats for some indiscretion like a wife not wearing a full on face covering veil or whatever, who gives a shit - as long as all involved are willing to agree to the arbitration. Just like anyone else in this Country.

The day a US Court agrees to allow the murder of a daughter by her father for disobeying her......all is lost.