This is the scariest thing I've seen in some time, and it's not even the scariest idea...

[Alpha2]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fenergy.gov%2Fsites%2Fprod%2Ffiles %2F2013%2F05%2Ff1%2FProtective_Force_Firearms_Qual ification_Courses.pdf&ei=KojeVMijLZOzoQSRh4CgDg&usg=AFQjCNFhX84fGoi_budI2m5sVZ5nJwb_4Q&sig2=5N4Vcqa7QmHOEMqBAvGfSg

And, we've not even gotten into the EPA!

[Jamnanc]

The doe is responsible for the protection of some very dangerous and important assets.

[Alpha2]

Never in dispute...

[cstone]

What did you find scary?

[Great-Kazoo]

What did you find scary?

It was 169 pages.

[Mick-Boy]

... I'm going to try and address this in a diplomatic fashon.

I don't now, nor have I ever worked for the DOE... However, I have been working security for the US gov for a minute or two (or the last decade).

Security is a pain in the ass for the organization that needs it. It's a cost with little quantifiable benefit. It's cumbersome and adds complexity to what are often already complex procedures. It also might save that organization from catastrophic mission failure...

At the end of the day most organizations (government and private) want to pay the bare minimum for their security. That means establishing standards that the bare minimum they are willing to pay for (or near enough) will pass.

So the fact that these are the minimum standards required to protect our nuclear assets is disappointing... but not surprising.

You get what you pay for...

[buffalobo]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fenergy.gov%2Fsites%2Fprod%2Ffiles %2F2013%2F05%2Ff1%2FProtective_Force_Firearms_Qual ification_Courses.pdf&ei=KojeVMijLZOzoQSRh4CgDg&usg=AFQjCNFhX84fGoi_budI2m5sVZ5nJwb_4Q&sig2=5N4Vcqa7QmHOEMqBAvGfSg

And, we've not even gotten into the EPA!


A warning that link will trigger download would be nice.[fail]

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Very well put. Never thought of it that way. Most of these installations could go 1000 days without any security, but that 1001st day that something happens, they would be negligent for not having security in place. So totally, they have to have it and there's no realized benefit to an event that may never occur just because there was security in place. The document looks to be well thought out, similar to your LEO pistol, rifle, shotgun standards. They just forward it around to the training staff at each installation and bam, there's your training plan for your staff. Thanks for the link, I've saved it and might use it for some training days when I go out incase I run out of ideas.




... I'm going to try and address this in a diplomatic fashon.

I don't now, nor have I ever worked for the DOE... However, I have been working security for the US gov for a minute or two (or the last decade).

Security is a pain in the ass for the organization that needs it. It's a cost with little quantifiable benefit. It's cumbersome and adds complexity to what are often already complex procedures. It also might save that organization from catastrophic mission failure...

At the end of the day most organizations (government and private) want to pay the bare minimum for their security. That means establishing standards that the bare minimum they are willing to pay for (or near enough) will pass.

So the fact that these are the minimum standards required to protect our nuclear assets is disappointing... but not surprising.

You get what you pay for...

[cstone]

And just like many organizations, published minimums are not always accepted minimums. There are ways to take a published course of fire and with added distractions, increased tasking, and externally induced stress, that same course can become significantly more difficult.

Most organizations want "the best qualified applicant" they can get for any given assignment at the allowable compensation.

Since it is a published course, it should be easy for anyone to go and replicate on the appropriate range with the appropriate safety officers. I recommend anyone who is interested should shoot the courses and go for the maximum. No one knows till they try.

Be safe.