Keeping my fingers crossed

[ray1970]

Searched but didn't find anything on this. Hope it isn't a repost.

Anyhow, as I still haven't gotten around to taking a day off to apply for my carry permit, I'm hoping this could actually happen.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/colorado-proposal-would-allow-concealed-carry-with-no-permit02182015

[buffalobo]

I only saw a post about it in the South Dakota CC thread. Not repost IMO.

This bill is DOA in the house. It will be sent to kill committee or tabled indefinitely. Pretty much NFC.

[StagLefty]

Yep I got this e-mail yesterday while I was reading the S. Dakota thread :

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 18, 2015 Contact: Jesse Mallory
Phone: (303) 866-3931



Senate approves Constitutional Carry


DENVER, Colo. - Today the Senate approved Senate Bill 15-032 which allows law abiding citizens to carry a concealed firearm without having to jump through government hoops.

"Colorado law already allows law-abiding individuals to open carry in most places across the state," said Senator Vicki Marble (R-Fort Collins). "My bill simply allows them to put on their coat or place it in their purse without making them criminals."

Already, Colorado law allows individuals to conceal firearms in their vehicles and on their person on their property.

Senator John Cooke (R-Greeley) explained, "As the former Sheriff of Weld County, I support protecting Coloradans from unnecessary prosecution. Senate Bill 32 will ensure that responsible, law-abiding citizens have the right to protect themselves without government interference."

[Ranger353]

Even if it makes it out of the House, and that's a big IF, the governor will never sign it. Don't cross your fingers too tightly, you will be disappointed. [fail]

[StagLefty]

It's the usual feel good for a day pro gun announcement

[Bitter Clinger]

Keep your fingers crossed, just don't hold your breath. We'd hate to lose ya.

[HoneyBadger]

...bunch of optimists in here! [LOL]

[SenHolbert]

It's quite telling to see the puzzled looks and furrowed brows on the D side of the aisle when I refer to a concealed carry permit as "an expensive, government-issued permission slip to go into public and do nothing wrong."

[brutal]

It's quite telling to see the puzzled looks and furrowed brows on the D side of the aisle when I refer to a concealed carry permit as "an expensive, government-issued permission slip to go into public and do nothing wrong."

Win of the day.

So proud to have you represent us Senator.

[cstone]

Jacket Tax

That is what I think of when I think about most CCW registration and licensing schemes.

[ray1970]

I know this thing has a snowball's chance of making it through, but a guy can dream.

It would be nice to be able to stash a handgun on my person and head out for the day feeling safe without it costing me over $500 to do so. (roughly a days wages to take off work to apply plus the cost of the permit)

[Ah Pook]

/concealed carry permit/
"an expensive, government-issued permission slip to go into public and do nothing wrong."

Sir, that is sig worthy.

Thank you!

[HoneyBadger]

It's quite telling to see the puzzled looks and furrowed brows on the D side of the aisle when I refer to a concealed carry permit as "an expensive, government-issued permission slip to go into public and do nothing wrong."
*applause*

[bogie]

Say by some miracle this passes, wouldn't you still want a CCW permit so you could carry in other states? Or would CO stop issuing them altogether, and then would wehave to apply for other out of state permits?

[Zundfolge]

Say by some miracle this passes, wouldn't you still want a CCW permit so you could carry in other states? Or would CO stop issuing them altogether, and then would wehave to apply for other out of state permits?

Most states with Constitutional Carry also issue permits for those that want to carry outside the state (also in some states a CHL will get you around BGCs).

I figure we have a better chance of seeing the mag ban go away before this but it still forces Demonrats to remind the people where they stand on the issue of gun rights and that will eventually work in our favor.

[sniper7]

If hickenlooper wouldn't have been reflected, there would have been a chance. Some pressure from up top on the house and some recall pressure probably would have pushed it through. I'll be hopeful, but realistic.

[SenHolbert]

"Say by some miracle this passes, wouldn't you still want a CCW permit so you could carry in other states? Or would CO stop issuing them altogether, and then would wehave to apply for other out of state permits?"

Yes, one would still need a CO CCW permit to carry in another state. No, Colorado (county sheriffs) would not stop issuing permits. Opponents to Constitutional Carry LOVE to claim and some members of the press report that Constitutional Carry is somehow an attempt to do away with the current CCW permit system. That is false. A resident of Colorado who needs reciprocity in another state would need a CCW permit from Colorado. Anyone who would not be 100% certain that he/she would qualify for the current CCW permit SHOULD go through the current process. Nothing in the bill repeals the current system, it would remain in place.

[BPTactical]

Well said and thanks for all you do Chris.
Ridiculous we have to pay a "coat tax" to exercise a Right.

[hurley842002]

Well said and thanks for all you do Chris.
Ridiculous we have to pay a "coat tax" to exercise a Right.
Or in my wife's case, not get to exercise her "right" because we haven't been able to afford it.

[ray1970]

Probably the only reason I don't already have my permit is because of the way Adams County handles the process. They only accept applications by appointment and only on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Pretty much means I'd have to burn one of my vacation days to apply. I only get four weeks off a year so I hate burning those days for anything other than fun stuff and actual vacations. If I could just drop by without an appointment one day when I was in the area or if they would do it on a Friday that would be awesome. I guess Adams County doesn't want any more of my money than they already get.

[Irving]

Probably the only reason I don't already have my permit is because of the way Adams County handles the process. They only accept applications by appointment and only on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Pretty much means I'd have to burn one of my vacation days to apply. I only get four weeks off a year so I hate burning those days for anything other than fun stuff and actual vacations. If I could just drop by without an appointment one day when I was in the area or if they would do it on a Friday that would be awesome. I guess Adams County doesn't want any more of my money than they already get.

I was also really turned off by this when I first applied. However, the people that actually work the desk are VERY friendly, helpful, and even forgiving. I don't believe it is their policy. I was all ready to have an attitude when I went in, but they were just so dang polite and professional that I couldn't.

[ray1970]

I was also really turned off by this when I first applied. However, the people that actually work the desk are VERY friendly, helpful, and even forgiving. I don't believe it is their policy. I was all ready to have an attitude when I went in, but they were just so dang polite and professional that I couldn't.

I'm not bashing the people working there. I just don't like the fact that Adams County makes everything difficult. I wish the state would step in and set a standard set of guidelines for stuff like this and not leave it up to the individual county sheriffs to set the rules.

[Irving]

I know you aren't. I was super pissed when I was applying. I jumped through the hoops and was glad in the end though.

[68Charger]

Say by some miracle this passes, wouldn't you still want a CCW permit so you could carry in other states? Or would CO stop issuing them altogether, and then would wehave to apply for other out of state permits?
Yes, but you can get a permit from another state that is cheaper and/or has more reciprocity...

[hurley842002]

Yes, but you can get a permit from another state that is cheaper and/or has more reciprocity...
I looked into Utah, and if I remember correctly, you still have to carry a permit for the state you reside, in order to apply for a UT CCW.

[Shiro]

Senator, please keep hammering away at both sides of the aisle. Even if these bills are auto-killed in the House, I want them to be constantly reminded of the annoyance they caused every citizen of this state, and I want my fellow citizens reminded come next elections.


It's quite telling to see the puzzled looks and furrowed brows on the D side of the aisle when I refer to a concealed carry permit as "an expensive, government-issued permission slip to go into public and do nothing wrong."

[SenHolbert]

As for hammering away at both sides of the aisle, please keep in mind that zero Republicans voted for the three citizen-control bills ( aka "gun control" as if words on paper can control the actions of inanimate objects) that were signed into law during 2013. Zero in committee, zero on the floor, zero in the House or in the Senate. Zero.

The only thing that has been bi-partisan about those three bills has been the OPPOSITION to them. 100% of the votes for the original bills and against repeal bills have come from Democrats. 100%.

[DeusExMachina]

As for hammering away at both sides of the aisle, please keep in mind that zero Republicans voted for the three citizen-control bills ( aka "gun control" as if words on paper can control the actions of inanimate objects) that were signed into law during 2013. Zero in committee, zero on the floor, zero in the House or in the Senate. Zero.

The only thing that has been bi-partisan about those three bills has been the OPPOSITION to them. 100% of the votes for the original bills and against repeal bills have come from Democrats. 100%.

Senator, for the "must sign" NFA legislation that was in committee in the House, there was a Republican rep who voted against the legislation. Do you know why that was? Not that it mattered, it was still killed by the Ds, I am just curious.

[SenHolbert]

Nope, I don't know why. I would, however, encourage anyone who is interested to ask him to explain his vote. It's 100% OK to ask and he (we) should be willing to explain our votes. There are SO many votes each session that it can become a blur. Refer the bill number and the short title. You can use your own words to describe the bill.

FYI, all bills have a two-digit Year prefix. House bills are four digits, Senate bills are three digits. Provide the full bill number when asking about a vote. "HB 15-####" would be the correct format for a House bill this session.

It may seem far fetched, but there is VERY little awareness among members in one chamber as to what occurs in the other chamber, including the committees of the other chamber. I saw reference to this vote on the Internet, but I don't recall hearing a word about it at the Capitol. We go to our respective chambers in the morning, then to morning committees, afternoon committees, clean the snow off the car if necessary, go home, read bills, sleep, do it again. I knew of this reality before I ran for office, but it really can be surprising as to how isolated each chamber is from the other. That's OK to a point because what one chamber does on any given bill actually IS isolated from the other chamber. The bi-cameral system is arranged to divvy up Legislative Branch authority. Still, it is strange how little I actually see our state Representatives each day, let alone know what they're doing.