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wctriumph
02-23-2015, 12:00
I was surfing the web this morning and came upon this website. Not anti-cop here, I support LEO's, they have a difficult time. Corruption runs deep in any government agency and I was once a victim of it 40 years ago.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-reveals-planting-evidence-lying-part-game

Palm Beach County, Florida – Journalists at the DC Post were looking through message boards that are frequented by law enforcement officers, when they found a post where one officer was causally talking about planting evidence on “mouthy drivers” and “street lawyers.”
The Post then contacted the officer and conducted an anonymous interview with him where he revealed his disturbing perspective.
The officer revealed the illegal and unethical actions that he is proud of taking on the job. The DC Post has also said that they have verified the officer’s position with the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office, and they have verified many of the claims that he has made.
The original post was titled “Tricks of the trade – let’s exchange!” and featured the following message:

“I have a method for getting people off the street that should not be there. Mouthy drivers, street lawyers, assholes and just anyone else trying to make my job difficult. Under my floor mat, I keep a small plastic dime baggie with Cocaine in residue. Since it’s just residue, if it is ever found during a search of my car like during an inspection, it’s easy enough to explain. It must have stuck to my foot while walking through San Castle. Anyways, no one’s going to question an empty baggie. The residue is the key because you can fully charge some asshole with possession of cocaine, heroin, or whatever just with the residue. How to get it done? “I asked Mr. DOE for his identification. And he pulled out his wallet, I observed a small plastic baggie fall out of his pocket…” You get the idea. easy, right? Best part is, those baggies can be found lots of places so you can always be ready. Don’t forget to wipe the baggie on the person’s skin after you arrest them because you want their DNA on the bag if they say you planted it or fight it in court.”
Other officers on the board responded by sharing similar stories about how they falsely arrest people who don’t adequately bow to their authority.
Later in the interview, when the officer was asked if planting evidence happened regularly within his department, he responded by saying,

“Um, yes it does, on a regular basis. Probably every day in my shift. I work nights on the Road Patrol in a rough, um, mostly black neighborhood. Planting evidence and lying in your reports are just part of the game.
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Then straight from the horses mouth, the officer said that this crooked behavior was actually encouraged by the drug war. Continuing his discussion about planting evidence, the officer said,

“Yes, all the time. It is something I see a lot of, whether it was from deputies, supervisors or undercovers and even investigators. It’s almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they’re going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway. One of the consequences of the war on drugs is that police officers are pressured to make large numbers of arrests, and it’s easy for some of the less honest cops to plant evidence on innocent people. The drug war inevitably leads to crooked policing — and quotas further incentivize such practices. It doesn’t help that your higherups all did the same thing when they were on the road. It’s like a neverending cycle. Like how molested children accept that as okay behavior and begin molesting children themselves.”
When asked if he would get in trouble with the police department for framing people, the officer laughed and said that this type of behavior was actually encouraged.

“Our top boss, Sheriff Ric Bradshaw, supports this behavior and has for his entire career. As with anything, it depends on who you know in our agency. Last year, we had three deputies on the TAC unit, Kevin Drummond and Jarrod Foster, get caught falsifying information for a warrant. They got a pat on the back for a job well done. Just recently, we had a deputy, I think his name was Booth. He was caught completely lying on a car crash. Back a few more years, our Sheriff was involved a massive coverup of the death of two black deputies. He hid the report for years. This is only the beginning. The Sheriff has been involved in falsification of documents and his underling, Chief Deputy Michael Gauger, has been personally involved in an overtime scandal to steal money from the Sheriff’s Office. Does our Sheriff know about this behavior? Of course he does. We have even had a judge outright accuse my agency of committing fraud upon the court in a public hearing. She was one of the ones who saw through all the lying and covering up our department does to get away with the internal crime committed by deputies on a regular basis,” he said.
Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office is no special police department, and this officer is not just a bad apple. The problems that are discussed in this interview are systematic, and they occur in every town across the country.
Just this week, we exposed a police department in Missouri (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/olice-department-caught-forcing-cops-arrests-give-tickets-fired/) whose officers were forced to make arrests or faced losing their job. This leads to otherwise innocent people being charged on a regular basis.
Also this week, the Free Thought Project conducted a report to show what happens to cops (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/25/) who try to expose this corruption. Several officers within the Chicago police department were threatened with “going home in a casket” for exposing this same vile practice within their ranks.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-reveals-planting-evidence-lying-part-game/#dMhV4BdiuLrRCefv.99

wyome
02-23-2015, 12:06
wow...
hopefully the percentage of honest hard working cops is a lot higher than the ones gaming the system


and IBTL

Zundfolge
02-23-2015, 12:09
I'm trying to think of how I can respond honestly to all that without getting banned from this site ... honestly I can't think of a way. [LOL]


Oh well, our government and our society are both irretrievably corrupt ... the fact that the police are probably just as bad doesn't surprise me.

sniper7
02-23-2015, 12:15
I can only hope the assholes that do this get theirs one way, lose their jobs and have that on their records for the rest of their lives. Ruining someone's life isn't part of the job description.

BushMasterBoy
02-23-2015, 12:19
It starts at the Oval Office and trickles down in a flood. I was on a Miami Vice episode. Unless you saw the first broadcast, you will never see me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1npPH1mxOWA

Ranger353
02-23-2015, 12:32
Ugh! I feel like I have to take shower after reading that BS. I don't know if a real cop wrote that crap or someone masquerading as a cop trying to get attention or generally discrediting the LE community. That whole story seems highly improbable and hugely suspicious. If it does occur as regularly as the "writer" claims then the ACLU would have certainly been aware of it by now, and the ACLU is really strong in the Southern States.

This whole story smacks of either a reporter trying to fabricate a career creating story, or someone with a grudge against that agency - maybe an ex-cop that got caught doing something and is trying some payback. Evidence and facts are required before I would even begin to believe it happens at that level.

Chad4000
02-23-2015, 12:42
I had parker police basically lie (at the very least they didnt come close to doing their jobs....) on a car crash police report that cost me a quarter million dollars (without what I could have gotten civilly / suing both the person at fault in the wreck and the insurance company). up to an including coaching the person who ran the red light on what to say in her report. literally had witnesses to it..

my stance is pretty well known. the cops on this board, you are all good guys.. I really do believe that. cops in general are specifically the arm of the government that the citizen is most in contact with. Including the IRS etc.. hence my lack of trust.

wctriumph
02-23-2015, 13:08
The website is decidedly anti LE and I am sure there is a bias there. I can't speak to the officer's motivation to talking to the reporter and won't speculate about it. However, there is corruption in all aspects of government, from the county permitting and inspection office right up to the white house. Generals lie, police lie, congress lies, the head guy at the DOJ lies, I lied before I was born again. What this article says happens, happens. I have personally experienced police misconduct and found out first hand that government institutions will cover for their own.

I generally trust LE, I don't break the law, I will help LE in any way I can. Anyone that says that this does not happen has their head in the sand. Evil is evil and must be outed and we must stand against it be foreign or domestic, locally, nationally and internationally.

crays
02-23-2015, 13:18
When he began using specific officer's names, the b.s. meter pegged for me.

Aloha_Shooter
02-23-2015, 14:44
I am absolutely certain some of that happens from time to time but pretty much disbelieve crap on thefreethoughtproject. The few times I've wasted time perusing "articles" on that site, my BS meter hit neck-and-shoulders level.

KevDen2005
02-23-2015, 14:48
I had parker police basically lie (at the very least they didnt come close to doing their jobs....) on a car crash police report that cost me a quarter million dollars (without what I could have gotten civilly / suing both the person at fault in the wreck and the insurance company). up to an including coaching the person who ran the red light on what to say in her report. literally had witnesses to it..

my stance is pretty well known. the cops on this board, you are all good guys.. I really do believe that. cops in general are specifically the arm of the government that the citizen is most in contact with. Including the IRS etc.. hence my lack of trust.

So what were the circumstances on this crash?

Dave_L
02-23-2015, 14:53
I must not hang out with the right crowds because I seem to never run into these "bad" officers I always hear about.

Chad4000
02-23-2015, 15:25
So what were the circumstances on this crash?

it's an involved story.. if youre genuinely interested I'll type it up lol.

Snowman78
02-23-2015, 15:29
^ I also would like to know, I am an insurance adjuster.

Chad4000
02-23-2015, 15:40
^ I also would like to know, I am an insurance adjuster.

Cool, I'll type it up. Probably get posted tomorrow at the rate Im going lol. actually might be nice to hear your perspective, because part of this story has to do with the insurance companies actions..

Guylee
02-23-2015, 15:50
Ugh! I feel like I have to take shower after reading that BS. I don't know if a real cop wrote that crap or someone masquerading as a cop trying to get attention or generally discrediting the LE community. That whole story seems highly improbable and hugely suspicious. If it does occur as regularly as the "writer" claims then the ACLU would have certainly been aware of it by now, and the ACLU is really strong in the Southern States.

This whole story smacks of either a reporter trying to fabricate a career creating story, or someone with a grudge against that agency - maybe an ex-cop that got caught doing something and is trying some payback. Evidence and facts are required before I would even begin to believe it happens at that level.

My thoughts exactly, especially since they specifically name people.

RblDiver
02-23-2015, 16:15
We can browse forums for SEAL team members too and have all sorts of inventive articles about how they killed aliens on the moon or took out JFK with time travel.

Who told you about my secret missions?!?

Ranger353
02-23-2015, 16:16
As most know, I have personal experience with "arms of the law" that are corrupt. And they are really feeling my wrath now... [mop]

That said, the credibility of this is almost 0%. It does happen. What the article cites to there is a 99% chance didn't actually happen.
Just because it does happen doesn't mean I respect BS news.
That is so unfortunate to hear, a bad apple or two in any agency can create so much damage. It makes me so angry beyond words that I am willing to share in this mixed forum. I can tell you that when any officer is caught in a lie or in a compromising situation, 9.99 out of 10 the agency takes swift action against that individual. And if its criminal activity, then God help him if he gets placed in GENPOP in DOC.

Enough said on this topic.

Richard K
02-23-2015, 16:26
If even a fraction of this is true, I feel truly blessed that my 36 year carreer was not spent at a Dept. that would even begin to condone such actions.

cstone
02-23-2015, 19:30
I was curious about the use of "DC Post" as the journalistic source for the story. I thought that maybe the writer was referring to the Washington Post, which is the larger of the two regular papers in DC, the other being the more conservative Washington Times.

Here is a link to the DC Post story: http://dcpost.org/florida-law-officer-planting-evidence-lying-part-of-the-game-exclusive-interview/

I have been unable to find anything about the editors/publishers of dcpost.org

I spent years in DC and have never heard of the publication before now.

There are bad people in every profession. This is especially bad when they are in public service and they have authority. If anything in that story is true, then I would assume at the very least, the DOJ will have a team of lawyers and investigators winging their way to sunny south Florida.

68Charger
02-23-2015, 20:19
As most know, I have personal experience with "arms of the law" that are corrupt. And they are really feeling my wrath now... [mop]

That said, the credibility of this is almost 0%. It does happen. What the article cites to there is a 99% chance didn't actually happen.
Just because it does happen doesn't mean I respect BS news.
quoted for truth... two wrongs don't make a right, but 3 lefts do. Also, correlation does not equal causation.
I hope your case is going well, I have a couple people that may want to talk to you about that- but they're afraid of backlash on family members... so they'd like some level of protection... they WANT to help, but are scared.


I was curious about the use of "DC Post" as the journalistic source for the story. I thought that maybe the writer was referring to the Washington Post, which is the larger of the two regular papers in DC, the other being the more conservative Washington Times.

Here is a link to the DC Post story: http://dcpost.org/florida-law-officer-planting-evidence-lying-part-of-the-game-exclusive-interview/

I have been unable to find anything about the editors/publishers of dcpost.org

I spent years in DC and have never heard of the publication before now.

There are bad people in every profession. This is especially bad when they are in public service and they have authority. If anything in that story is true, then I would assume at the very least, the DOJ will have a team of lawyers and investigators winging their way to sunny south Florida.

I thought that was an odd "quotation" myself... never heard of them either.
There is evil everywhere, even disguising itself as righteous, pious or in positions of authority.
(yes, there is evil in churches... as long as they are run by humans, they are fallible- I've seen this myself, too (yes, it was in Fremont county [pileoshit]))

56867

or the classic:
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Aloha_Shooter
02-23-2015, 20:24
I was curious about the use of "DC Post" as the journalistic source for the story.

As was I but it seemed to me to be another clue about the falsity of the story. Bad as the Washington ComPost is, even they would be reluctant to run a story like this without iron-clad sourcing (unless it was hitting a major Republican candidate ...).


I spent years in DC and have never heard of the publication before now.

Neither had I. I'm guessing it's the source for those folks who think the ComPost is a right-wing rag. (Yes, there are people who think that, I've actually had to have dinner with them.)

hollohas
02-23-2015, 22:04
... If anything in that story is true, then I would assume at the very least, DOJ will have a team of lawyers and investigators winging their way to sunny south Florida.

I hope the actions (or non actions) of the DOJ don't have any influence on what you believe is true or not. The DOJ majorly unreliable and corrupt.

But yes I agree with you and most of the others, the source seem fishy. However, that's not to say a mainstream newspaper would be any more credible. Perhaps we all remember the UVA, Rolling Stone published rape story that MANY mainstream papers subsequently published as truth....just one example.

There are some in authority positions that abuse that. Some abuse it a little and some enough to ruin lives. That is a fact but I don't believe it's even close to a majority. The good far outnumber the bad. But the bad ones need to be dealt with swiftly and extremely harshly and that's what I think we don't see quite often enough. Punishments seem to be lacking in severity more often than not. Abuses cannot be tolerated at any level and the punishments need to start reflecting that stance in every case of abuse.

cstone
02-23-2015, 23:28
I take no position on the story because I don't have enough information to take a position.

I just know that the DOJ and just about every other government agency would love to have a team of lawyers and investigators winging their way to sunny south Florida in February, whether there is something to do or not.

It is a broken world. I try to enjoy the bits that don't suck, rather than stew over the filth and muck.

Be safe.

wctriumph
02-24-2015, 16:34
Well, here is another one posted right here on this site. From Chicago and reported by:

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/147087-chicago-black-site-made-known-publicly