View Full Version : Rich Wyatt Arrested for Theft
wctriumph
04-20-2015, 07:18
Oh man, this just keeps getting better and better:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/american-guns-star-richard-wyatt-arrested-for-theft/
Richard Austin Wyatt the owner of Gunsmoke Guns in Wheat Ridge, Colorado, and the former reality TV star of “American Guns,” was arrested last Friday, reports local media (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/wheat-ridge/gunsmoke-guns-owner-rich-wyatt-arrested-on-theft-charges04102015).Upon learning of the warrant, Wyatt turned himself in to authorities at the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office. He is being charged with theft from an at-risk adult, a class 3 felony.According to the the Wheat Ridge Police Department, the elderly customer consigned “a rare and antique gun collection,” with Wyatt and “repeated efforts by the victim at recovering several of the weapons had failed.”
Police are now investigating to determine whether there were other customers who had consignment issues with Wyatt.This latest development comes on the heels of a raid of (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/federal-agents-search-former-reality-show-american-guns-gun-store/)Gunsmoke Guns on March 31 by the ATF and the IRS. While that search was “unrelated” to the claim by the elderly customer, agents recovered several of the man’s firearms.
Aside from being the owner of the gun shop, Wyatt was previously the chief of police in Alma, Colorado.
I just found this so sorry if a repost.
WOW!! This completes the fiction of Rich Wyatt. He is a blight on society. Hope he rots in jail for a good long time.
This is crazy, Will Hayden and Rich Wyatt what a pair. Who's next Jim West? Do you think they were dirt bags before reality TV or did the star power corrupt there brains? I guess the people producing these shows must be looking for low lives to be the stars, just to make gun owners look bad. No, they would never do that, right?
This is crazy, Will Hayden and Rich Wyatt what a pair. Who's next Jim West? Do you think they were dirt bags before reality TV or did the star power corrupt there brains? I guess the people producing these shows must be looking for low lives to be the stars, just to make gun owners look bad. No, they would never do that, right?
Knowing Mr. Wyatt prior to American Guns, he was a dirt bag prior to his silly show and reality stardumb. And from what I hear, from an army buddy from Baton Rouge, Will Hayden was kind of a douche the two or three times he went there... this was long before his show.
This is crazy, Will Hayden and Rich Wyatt what a pair. Who's next Jim West? Do you think they were dirt bags before reality TV or did the star power corrupt there brains? I guess the people producing these shows must be looking for low lives to be the stars, just to make gun owners look bad. No, they would never do that, right?
With regards to Will Hayden, he was a dirt bag before. I think most of the allegations against him are from before the show.
Unscrupulous men run unscrupulous businesses.... I don't do business with such men. That said, in both of their cases, it is still America so while they may be known for being dirt bags, they're innocent until proven guilty... If they are indeed innocent, I wish them a speedy and fair vindication. If they are guilty, then may they rot in the cesspool of their own making.
SamuraiCO
04-20-2015, 09:15
Bad people in every profession.
I wonder if the TV Producers actually seek out these dirt bags as drama does "Sell".
I wonder if the TV Producers actually seek out these dirt bags as drama does "Sell".
Yes.. no one would want to watch a show about a regular gun shop, it would be boring as hell.. as well as these people most likely sought out the reality show producers themselves to get more attention.
Unscrupulous men run unscrupulous businesses.... I don't do business with such men. That said, in both of their cases, it is still America so while they may be known for being dirt bags, they're presumed innocent until proven guilty... If they are indeed innocent, I wish them a speedy and fair vindication. If they are guilty, then may they rot in the cesspool of their own making.
FIFY
TheBelly
04-20-2015, 10:51
I wonder if the TV Producers actually seek out these dirt bags as drama does "Sell".
Can you imagine the episode where Dog the Bounty Hunter tracks down Rich Wyatt?
talk about memorable!
Can you imagine the episode where Dog the Bounty Hunter tracks down Rich Wyatt?
talk about memorable!
I can't decide who's the bigger scum bag. Although we were told in the academy, there is a nice, crisp brand new Benjamin Franklin waiting for whichever one of us were lucky enough to arrest Dog.
I'm so, so thankful that I opted NOT to leave my great-great Grandpa's gun there for appraisal.
BladesNBarrels
04-20-2015, 11:56
I was intrigued that Mr. Wyatt was Chief of Police of Alma, CO.
Does the position require formal training at an Academy?
An interesting side note:
"The town of Alma has filed a lawsuit against former Police Chief Richard Austin Wyatt Jr. seeking police credentials that he didn’t turn in to the town after his termination in 2005.
The lawsuit was filed in county court in Park County on May 23 (2013). It alleges that Wyatt, who was fired in 2005, held on to his badge after his termination even though he had been asked to turn in all town property he possessed.".
I wonder if he ever returned the credentials.
wctriumph
04-20-2015, 12:29
He used to display the badge and ID in a case at Gunsmoke, along with a badge and ID from the Aurora PD.
BPTactical
04-20-2015, 12:33
Douchebags gonna douchebag.
Yawn.....DILLIGAF
He used to display the badge and ID in a case at Gunsmoke, along with a badge and ID from the Aurora PD.
I don't believe he as a sworn officer with APD. I thought he was a civilian "armorer" and range employee, my memory's hazy.
wctriumph
04-20-2015, 15:10
I don't believe he as a sworn officer with APD. I thought he was a civilian "armorer" and range employee, my memory's hazy.
Could be but he had an APD badge with a APD ID, its been a long time so maybe they were armorer.
ZERO THEORY
04-20-2015, 21:35
I wonder if the TV Producers actually seek out these dirt bags
No better way for antis to paint us all in a bad picture than to parade around our lowest lifeforms.
OneGuy67
04-22-2015, 06:38
Rich was a reserve officer with Aurora way back when they had a reserve officer program. The program went away back in 1998-1999 and I don't know if it has been resurrected or not with this new chief or the last one.
Walker2970
04-22-2015, 17:41
just herd an ad on the radio for Rich to train you for your CCW at gunsmoke and was like LMAO really
just herd an ad on the radio for Rich to train you for your CCW at gunsmoke and was like LMAO really
was it a can't miss deal? like price lowered below $3,000?
Honey Badger282.8
04-22-2015, 18:51
What's the over-under that his daughter ends up on Redtube? She was the only reason I watched that show.
just herd an ad on the radio for Rich to train you for your CCW at gunsmoke and was like LMAO really
Station and time?
Walker2970
04-22-2015, 20:24
93.5 the wolf some time around 2 pm ish?
Just saw this tonight:
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/09/25/feds-want-gunsmoke-owner-to-forfeit-firearms-seized-in-raid/
Items in the federal court forfeiture are quite interesting. Glad to hear the owners of guns are getting them back.
funkymonkey1111
09-25-2015, 20:34
Just when you think it couldnt get any lower for that guy....
kidicarus13
09-26-2015, 00:05
"The town of Alma has filed a lawsuit against former Police Chief Richard Austin Wyatt Jr. seeking police credentials that he didn’t turn in to the town after his termination in 2005.
The lawsuit was filed in county court in Park County on May 23 (2013). It alleges that Wyatt, who was fired in 2005, held on to his badge after his termination even though he had been asked to turn in all town property he possessed.".
I wonder if he ever returned the credentials.
Sounds like a common theme with the article... Rich being in possession of badges that he is not authorized to possess.
cfortune
09-26-2015, 12:10
What's the over-under that his daughter ends up on Redtube? She was the only reason I watched that show.
I was hoping this thread was bumped because of this comment.
Honey Badger282.8
09-27-2015, 11:12
I was hoping this thread was bumped because of this comment.
Lol. There's just something about that family. They're like the Kardashians of the gun world.
I'd be all over that.
What's the over-under that his daughter ends up on Redtube? She was the only reason I watched that show.
kidicarus13
09-27-2015, 17:15
Nice engraving Rich...
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/27/ed4f041fe9e7f44858a793f1720f3233.jpg
It looks like they used a Dremel, or maybe a hammer drill to engrave that.
Maybe it's the 10th Mouthbreather edition?
USMC88-93
09-27-2015, 18:12
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/09/25/feds-want-gunsmoke-owner-to-forfeit-firearms-seized-in-raid/
sneakerd
09-28-2015, 08:43
Wonder where that goofball is living these days. Didn't they take away his house in the mountains? Can't be making any money, at least not legitimately. Wonder if the wife is still hanging and what those kids must think.
colorider
09-28-2015, 10:13
I was at a BBQ last month and Rich was there, so he must be living somewhere in town.
Rooskibar03
09-28-2015, 10:55
Wonder where that goofball is living these days. Didn't they take away his house in the mountains? Can't be making any money, at least not legitimately. Wonder if the wife is still hanging and what those kids must think.
His younger kids attend the same school my daughter did last year. Saw him and her dropping off/picking up each day. Haven't seen the giant GS truck around recently though.
Ho Le Chit, I just read through the article and all the shit he pulled. That guy is mentally ill, you would have to be highly disillusion to think you could get away with all that.
I feel bad for the kids.
Funny since I just saw him at the bar a few weeks ago watching the broncos game. He acted like a dick there too....
OneGuy67
02-11-2016, 15:13
I drove by Gunsmoke on Tuesday and there was a cop parked in the parking lot next to a box truck. Cleaning out?
It looks like he will behind bars for quite a while even if half of the charges racked up against him are dropped. I don't know how he could rationalize doing what he did without knowing up front that he would have to pay the piper at some point.
BPTactical
02-11-2016, 18:20
You can't fix stupid............
........but you can charge it with conspiracy, selling firearms without a license, filing fraudulent tax returns and failure to report income.
I don't know the guilt or innocence of this but it continues to strike me odd how every gunstore that has had a show like that has somehow gotten shut down. I cannot help but think they are being targeted specifically or being set up for a fall.
I don't know the guilt or innocence of this but it continues to strike me odd how every gunstore that has had a show like that has somehow gotten shut down. I cannot help but think they are being targeted specifically or being set up for a fall.
I think it is something else entirely. Just think of the type of person who would WANT to be on a reality TV show. Just agreeing to do a reality show is a red flag to me. Now I know that not all reality stars fit my metric, but enough do for me to take notice. Gun Smoke was riddled with photos of Rich posing with famous people. Just another wanna-be.
Rich is just a DB that got his shit called. All I have to say is giraffe neck needs a place to crash I got her covered [Coffee]
He needs to be an example, albeit a bad one.
And how was he able to convince others to blatantly violate the law? Is 'stupid' contagious?
It makes me happy to think of all the people he screwed over the years being vindicated when those bars slam shut.
gnihcraes
02-11-2016, 21:06
Well, he screwed my father out of some merchandise a few years back, so good riddance. Enjoy the pokey. (in more ways than one)
brandyspaw
02-11-2016, 22:02
Well, karma is a bitch as I guess its finally catching up with this weasel. With the IRS on him about failing to report over $1.1 million in taxes I think he is in serious shit now. Like my old pappy used to say what goes around comes around.
I do find it ironic that both of those reality TV shows about guns had weazels as their main star/front man.
I've got to agree with Irving's analysis about people that want to be on "reality TV".
theGinsue
02-11-2016, 22:23
Ho Le Chit, I just read through the article and all the shit he pulled. That guy is mentally ill, you would have to be highly disillusion to think you could get away with all that.
I feel bad for the kids.
Or a Democrat politician.
electronman1729
02-11-2016, 22:32
I wonder how is daughter is doing?
Rooskibar03
02-11-2016, 22:37
I wonder how is daughter is doing?
She was unavailable for comment.
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah253/Rooskibar03/509e95b3b7bd48582397cf642bf61eb1_zpss6iyrdzk.jpg
What's the over-under that his daughter ends up on Redtube? She was the only reason I watched that show.
This. lol.
Martinjmpr
02-12-2016, 12:50
I do find it ironic that both of those reality TV shows about guns had weazels as their main star/front man.
I don't find it "Ironic" at all because....
There isn't ever going to be a "reality" show that is indicative of "reality". If the star isn't a sociopathic narcissist, they aren't going to keep pooping out of their mouth enough to keep people entertained.
Exactly. That's why we say "Reality" show instead of Reality show. We need the scare quotes to show it isn't reality it's "Reality" which is a completely contrived and manufactured form of fake drama.
You have to also consider what kind of place producers would want for a TV show.
Location with polite conversation, hard work, regular pattern 9-5 with a respected base of customers? No.
Loud mouth drama queen that spills b.s. every 2 seconds and pisses off 1/2 of the people in any given moment? Either is participating in wincest with a moonshine distillery, or participating in other criminal schemes? (red light flashing) RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS
There isn't ever going to be a "reality" show that is indicative of "reality". If the star isn't a sociopathic narcissist, they aren't going to keep pooping out of their mouth enough to keep people entertained.
Totally true.
However, Duck Dynasty has broken out of this mold and turns in some very high ratings.
Sure would be nice if the networks acknowledged this and brought out similar "reality" shows with respectable characters.
I believe networks produce drama not just for the ratings, but for the continued introduction of crap morals into the home through entertainment.
sneakerd
02-12-2016, 18:40
Well- it's gone national- it's on my FoxNews feed. Good.
Well- it's gone national- it's on my FoxNews feed. Good.
I don't see it as good...this could be used by anti-gun crowd to try and make us all look bad.
Is giraffe neck still roaming free?
I don't see it as good...this could be used by anti-gun crowd to try and make us all look bad.
They've been doing just fine without a doucehnozzle like Wyatt to represent.
Damn. I was going to get some Form 1 engraving done there.
Figured it was a lock, since my trust name was Gunsmoke.
/sarc
sent from somwhere
gnihcraes
02-12-2016, 22:27
https://vid.me/TABg
GilpinGuy
02-13-2016, 08:08
Maybe they'll fly him to prison in that helicopter.
Maybe they'll fly him to prison in that helicopter.
When it could have been a 10 minute drive.
OneGuy67
02-13-2016, 11:00
https://vid.me/TABg
Nice! Wonder who she was trying to convince?
BPTactical
02-13-2016, 11:08
Nice! Wonder who she was trying to convince?
I'm sold.
I am sure she has redeeming social values......
buffalobo
02-13-2016, 11:53
I'm sold.
I am sure she has redeeming social values......
No snail tracks?
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
I'm sold.
I am sure she has redeeming social values......
She does have that long neck...
still confused what she is saying.
suckit?
Harley-FXDWG
02-13-2016, 21:53
You can't fix stupid............
Actually you CAN!
Unfortunately, all the parts are on back order due to high demand in Washington!
gnihcraes
02-13-2016, 22:10
still confused what she is saying.
suckit?
so cute is what she's saying I think.
so cute is what she's saying I think.
I agree
sneakerd
02-14-2016, 08:43
They're so cuuute. What the f is she talking about. Stripper moves? Yeah- a budding porn star for sure.
They're so cuuute. What the f is she talking about. Stripper moves? Yeah- a budding porn star for sure.
She is too stupid for porn but I heard Slick Willy was looking for a new intern.
GilpinGuy
02-14-2016, 10:09
She must be referring to the camel toe revealing yoga pants. Ewwwwww.
So Rich, whaddya think of that video your bimbo daughter just uploaded.
Oh you can't see it? Because you're in JAIL you fuckwit!! [ROFL3]
glenncal1
02-16-2016, 15:47
http://www.9news.com/news/crime/former-reality-star-in-court-in-denver/44828429
I didn't do it (repeat 13 times)
WTF is wrong with 9news video feed? The first one shows this doucebag's story teed up yet every following video is about the GD rockslide.
[Mad]
So Rich, whaddya think of that video your bimbo daughter just uploaded.
Oh you can't see it? Because you're in JAIL you fuckwit!! [ROFL3]
I'd bet the guys in the halfway house got it on their obama phones.
I just read he was released on a $25,000 bond and sent to a halfway house.
Maybe he'll get a new show out of this. American Convict.
Came in here to post up further evidence that reality show producers target specific personality types for their shows.
http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/01/abby-lee-miller-jail-sentenced-fraud-bankruptcy-prison-time-charges-legal-dance-moms/
funkymonkey1111
02-22-2017, 07:07
Rich's trial started yesterday
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/02/21/american-guns-reality-tv-trial-denver-federal-court/
Rich's trial started yesterday
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/02/21/american-guns-reality-tv-trial-denver-federal-court/
Wyatt faces numerous charges including failure to report $1.1 million in income to the IRS, conspiracy and dealing firearms without a license.
[snip]
McNeilly said that after Gunsmoke, at 9690 W. 44th Ave., violated serious licensing rules, he entered an agreement with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to relinquish his federal firearms license.
But Wyatt had no intention of obeying that agreement, McNeilly said. In fact, he negotiated a lucrative contract with the Discovery Channel that would eventually pay him about $500,000 in 2011 and 2012 to star in American Guns. He, his wife, two children and employees did 26 episodes of the show.
Wow! So I take this to mean he had his license yanked BEFORE starting the show. As a licensee he knew the consequences. Then went on TV and documented the whole thing?
I mean, wow.
BPTactical
02-22-2017, 09:13
Wow! So I take this to mean he had his license yanked BEFORE starting the show. As a licensee he knew the consequences. Then went on TV and documented the whole thing?
I mean, wow.
Quite literally, "Felonious Stupid of the Industrial Strength Application"
Or perhaps the show was entirely scripted and fake (long shot I know), meaning no firearms were actually bought or sold as portrayed on camera.
RCCrawler
02-22-2017, 09:29
I'm 99.9% sure I saw him working a kiosk at the mall at Christmas time, this was the best pic I could get.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/JasonRandom/i-gg9Hp85/0/X2/IMG_1666-X2.jpg
Or perhaps the show was entirely scripted and fake (long shot I know), meaning no firearms were actually bought or sold as portrayed on camera.
But we heard the 1911s cry.
Nice engraving Rich...
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/27/ed4f041fe9e7f44858a793f1720f3233.jpg
And the show featured guns "for sale" in a case and a rack. I guess that could be for show too but isn't representing that you are selling guns without a license as bad as actually doing it? The Feds don't seem to care about intent (CMC 80% lower case).
I'm going to drive by the store front in a few hours. It's a computer store now with a banner hung above the door. It puts a smile on my face every time I drive past.
newracer
02-22-2017, 11:47
I thought I heard one of the other staff held the FFL.
kidicarus13
02-22-2017, 12:47
I'd have to concur with your identification. Damn, times must be tough for a soon to be felon.
I'm 99.9% sure I saw him working a kiosk at the mall at Christmas time, this was the best pic I could get.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/JasonRandom/i-gg9Hp85/0/X2/IMG_1666-X2.jpg
I thought I heard one of the other staff held the FFL.
Not sure if the guy was staff, but something I read showed that the FFL holder was a different person, not listed as an employee... Perhaps a "silent" partner? Either way, he's going away for a while.
colorider
02-22-2017, 13:06
Wyatt and his merry band of assholes deserves every bit of what's coming.
KevDen2005
02-22-2017, 18:40
Or perhaps the show was entirely scripted and fake (long shot I know), meaning no firearms were actually bought or sold as portrayed on camera.
My brother was on the show and he didn't get the gun that they custom built for him....he said there was a script for the entire thing.
.455_Hunter
02-22-2017, 20:07
It's really rather sad how many people on the national gun forums (thehighroad, defensivecarry, smith-wessonfoum, etc) think that Wyatt's prosecution was some sort of pure anti-2A mission by the gov't. They can't (or don't) want to believe that he was truly a scam artist and a poor example of the firearms industry.
BPTactical
02-22-2017, 20:12
My brother was on the show and he didn't get the gun that they custom built for him....he said there was a script for the entire thing.
Huh, go figure.
Fake show but real asshole.(not referring to your brother Kev).
Sounds like a match made in heaven.
On Election Night he showed up at GOP hq at the Hilton in the Tech Center. Just hung out in the back of the room, didn't really talk to many people, no wife in tow. Pretty ballsy to show up, of course he's always acted like the rules don't apply to him.
And I'm sure if you asked him, he'd swear he was contract private security.
Sad part is, he'd probably believe his own BS story.
sent from me
Honey Badger282.8
02-22-2017, 20:28
It's funny that their website is still up.
It's really rather sad how many people on the national gun forums (thehighroad, defensivecarry, smith-wessonfoum, etc) think that Wyatt's prosecution was some sort of pure anti-2A mission by the gov't. They can't (or don't) want to believe that he was truly a scam artist and a poor example of the firearms industry.
He's a poor example of humanity.
He's not an example of humanity at all.
Merely a poor example of a human.
sent from me
Rich Wyatt - This is the subject. Please leave the rest of his family out of the thread.
There. I've said it nicely. It will be the last time I say it.
KevDen2005
02-22-2017, 23:08
Huh, go figure.
Fake show but real asshole.(not referring to your brother Kev).
Sounds like a match made in heaven.
Eh, it could also be referring to my brother...sadly, my brother really wanted to get back on the show for some reason and the way to do that was go back as a brother and brother team looking for specialty guns so I had to do a bunch of interviews with producers....let's just say I'm not a good answer and a straight to the point type of person with questions and they had to constantly ask me to expand on each answer. So obviously they didn't want me on the show which made me happy as I definitely did not want to be on the show, just wanted to help my brother achieve his "dreams"
KevDen2005
02-22-2017, 23:09
And I'm sure if you asked him, he'd swear he was contract private security.
Sad part is, he'd probably believe his own BS story.
sent from me
Rich Wyatt? Exaggerate about his resume'? Never!
funkymonkey1111
02-23-2017, 17:44
Stopped by Rich's trial today for about an hour. I heard the conclusion of a witness who testified about buying a gun from gunsmoke and then doing the transfer elsewhere.
Then heard testimony from a guy named Colt Blackburn, a former Gunsmoke employee. He was testifying under a deal with the feds that his testimony would not be used against him--i don't know if he has charges against him or not. He testified as to cash handling at the shop. Also mentioned the gunsmoke transfers were done at O.D. Green Supply, Gunner's Den, and the Gun Room.
He testified that they had at least a 1.5 to 2 year wait for gunsmithing services in 2012. He said that between the show seasons the store was packed, wall to wall, every day (i've only been to gunsmoke once, and that was before the show).
Wyatt looked smooth as ever--he did a lot of nodding when good points were made--he had a dark jacket, dark jeans, and a nice tie on. His attorney, in my opinion, looked like a boob. He wasn't wearing a suit (sportcoat) and was wearing a bolo tie with a jade medallion, like he had stepped straight out of "cowboys and indians" magazine, or some douchebag aspen jeweler. Also kooky was Wyatt's attorney was working out of a Uhaul box. Now, we all need to carry crap to court, but there are nicer banker boxes, etc. that sorta fit in a little better than a Uhaul moving box. I guess it wasn't a liquor bottle box.
during a recess, Wyatt walked by me and said "hi" and asked how i was doing. I said the same back, and he said "ok."
Interesting that you took the time to check out the trial.
Here is what the shop looks like today.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bRH2J61xIOB_iRLZ0NL2bH_8zThduNOmNe9J1nX_qSYSoXs5OV-VbwFAVy0AyHQPQAkJiNZMZ9qwLb0ee_QafLnmCqT68iL66TuSm s1wNc5QfHitA8UCh_fKewz8uPFo08baSWZz5GOeIHhrXKLs5-S4bNzEGYf_V83HIlTpSlrL0F8iWqtrhnbujznvvyc8RBHbRIJG Wv7IbY8Qqfd8n6M2gs6i3yHWeXG6UZrg3ASrBGHA7_M6eQgV1H vsB2LghsRN8JWTPlaXdaJI9LMkaldtqHtMjUj8Ztal70gcgoTT FQjulrb8t0GLrC_ixsavYctHzpnug8YdU3eRevKWkL13Rn2CVM jiuSRMOdx1CiKiNbS5dF3raDku7j52pxYFFJZRy-ABwf8IG8AgYHFoB3ysUz1dmEgCopHBq8hkKaqlRbUCKoYgoTyT IArS5PjJ_0Y_V_d_LpdVmfL2KOl5bHTypVcdX_8a7Zvw-fKSSfvLCMnNK7iY-ffz6NdmGznCrTxbka2JsqhZSfN2U3BEmCKWUsJLwl3TwEib65G sztB_A3DLnecY3fo_XtTbVvvSSLB3rMTbBpiPdidRvaGzofDAP tHhqVO0jG0kPapqOA3MFyUDKn_ONG7BIVmJC8-1TELc-JYw1TAIfogszFEyUGKxxDaD9YM3sFI6U3f_v8k=w1634-h919-no
GilpinGuy
02-23-2017, 18:25
Interesting that you took the time to check out the trial.
Here is what the shop looks like today.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bRH2J61xIOB_iRLZ0NL2bH_8zThduNOmNe9J1nX_qSYSoXs5OV-VbwFAVy0AyHQPQAkJiNZMZ9qwLb0ee_QafLnmCqT68iL66TuSm s1wNc5QfHitA8UCh_fKewz8uPFo08baSWZz5GOeIHhrXKLs5-S4bNzEGYf_V83HIlTpSlrL0F8iWqtrhnbujznvvyc8RBHbRIJG Wv7IbY8Qqfd8n6M2gs6i3yHWeXG6UZrg3ASrBGHA7_M6eQgV1H vsB2LghsRN8JWTPlaXdaJI9LMkaldtqHtMjUj8Ztal70gcgoTT FQjulrb8t0GLrC_ixsavYctHzpnug8YdU3eRevKWkL13Rn2CVM jiuSRMOdx1CiKiNbS5dF3raDku7j52pxYFFJZRy-ABwf8IG8AgYHFoB3ysUz1dmEgCopHBq8hkKaqlRbUCKoYgoTyT IArS5PjJ_0Y_V_d_LpdVmfL2KOl5bHTypVcdX_8a7Zvw-fKSSfvLCMnNK7iY-ffz6NdmGznCrTxbka2JsqhZSfN2U3BEmCKWUsJLwl3TwEib65G sztB_A3DLnecY3fo_XtTbVvvSSLB3rMTbBpiPdidRvaGzofDAP tHhqVO0jG0kPapqOA3MFyUDKn_ONG7BIVmJC8-1TELc-JYw1TAIfogszFEyUGKxxDaD9YM3sFI6U3f_v8k=w1634-h919-no
I wonder if that shop engraves "Computer Sales & Service" on your machine without asking.
I wonder if that shop engraves "Computer Sales & Service" on your machine without asking.
Only if it's a rare Pentium4
kidicarus13
02-24-2017, 14:15
Raid Day
69328
I don't know the back story on gun smoke. But I have heard from other shops around town that they turned down offers from discovery channel for a reality show, because they didn't want what happened to Wyatt to happen to them. I think they meant being under a microscope and not they were crooked as Hilary.
BushMasterBoy
02-24-2017, 15:50
I think the big NO NO was not paying the taxes. The .gov wants its cut. Just like the big corporations crimes, the .gov just wants the money. I know a guy that smuggled a lot of weed from South America, they couldn't prove it. They found the money and got him for tax evasion. After 9/11 they used him and his planes for terrorists renditions. Strange story.
funkymonkey1111
02-24-2017, 16:53
this is from the feds:
Richard Wyatt, age 52, of Evergreen, Colorado, surrendered to authorities this morning on charges of conspiracy, dealing in firearms without a license, and tax related charges, U.S. Attorney John Walsh, Internal Revenue Service (IRS) – Criminal Investigations (CI) Denver Division Special Agent in Charge Stephen Boyd and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Denver Field Division Special Agent in Charge Ken Croke announced. Wyatt will make his initial appearance before U.S. Magistrate Judge Kristen L. Mix at 2:00 p.m. today, where he will be advised of his rights and the charges pending against him. Wyatt was the subject of a 13-count federal grand jury indictment in Denver, returned on February 9, 2016.
According to the indictment, Wyatt allegedly illegally sold firearms, and he also failed to report over $1.1 million in income to the IRS. Wyatt operated Gunsmoke, a store in Wheat Ridge, Colorado that displayed firearm and firearm accessories for sale. Wyatt was the principal decision maker for the store and controlled the store’s bank account. In addition to holding itself out as a business that bought and sold firearms, Gunsmoke provided gunsmithing services. Wyatt aggressively publicized his business by posting videos on YouTube and by appearing in a reality television series that appeared on the Discovery Channel. The reality TV show aired from 2011 through 2012, showing a total of 26 episodes.
On February 17, 2012, Wyatt conspired with others known to the grand jury but not named, to deal in firearms without a license. In April 2012, the defendant surrendered his Federal Firearms License (FFL) due to his violations of federal laws and regulations. After Gunsmoke surrendered its FFL, Gunsmoke changed the address of a store known as Triggers Firearms, LLC (“Triggers”), a federal firearms license, to the Gunsmoke address, although they did not play any role in managing the store or receive any profits. Thereafter, Wyatt continued to operate Gunsmoke as a retail firearms store that also offered gunsmithing services, but never held an ownership interest in Triggers or assumed management of Triggers. Wyatt and other conspirators submitted false paperwork to the ATF to hide that Triggers was acting as a straw licensee for Gunsmoke.
After losing his FFL, the defendant did not apply for or obtain a license to sell firearms from the Gunsmoke premises. Wyatt held a meeting the day before losing his license with his employees to describe how he wanted the business to continue to run. During April 1, 2013 to March 31, 2015, no other person was licensed to engage in the business of dealing in firearms at Gunsmoke, Wyatt directed Gunsmoke employees to enter firearm sales in Gunsmoke’s computer point of sales software system as “miscellaneous” sales rather than firearm sales. Customers who shopped at Gunsmoke were able to look at numerous firearms that were displayed throughout the store. Customers were able to speak with Gunsmoke employees, including Wyatt, about the features of particular firearms. Finally, customers selected and purchased firearms from Gunsmoke, and were able to have gunsmithing services performed on firearms at the Gunsmoke premises. After receiving payment for any firearms, Gunsmoke employees directed the customers to another firearm store which had a valid federal firearms license, where the customer filled out the background check paperwork and the customers took possession of the firearm(s) they had purchased at Gunsmoke. Customers who wanted gunsmithing services left their firearms with Gunsmoke. After the gunsmiths at Gunsmoke completed their work, they returned the firearms to the customers. The customers paid Gunsmoke directly for this service. Wyatt, without the FFL license, continued to order new guns for sale to keep the business going.
In addition to the alleged firearms violations, Wyatt failed to pay personal income tax in years 2009, when he made approximately $290,000, in 2010 when he made approximately $123,000, and in 2012, when he made approximately $689,000. Further, in 2010, 2011, and 2012, Wyatt failed to pay corporate taxes. In 2012, Wyatt willfully filed a tax return he knew to be false, stating that he lost money, when in fact he made at least $184,000 that he failed to disclose. The defendant also faces an asset forfeiture count, including but not limited to the forfeiture of firearms and ammunition involved in the commission of the alleged crimes.
Wyatt faces two counts of conspiracy, with each count carrying a penalty of not more than 5 years in federal prison, and up to a $250,000 fine. He faces three counts of dealing in firearms without a license, with each count carrying a penalty of not more than 5 years in federal prison, and up to a $250,000 fine. The defendant faces one count of filing a false tax return, which carries a penalty of not more than 3 years in federal prison, and up to a $100,000 fine. Lastly, Wyatt faces seven counts of failure to file a tax return, each count of which carries a penalty of not more than 1 year in federal prison, and up to a $25,000 fine.
Hmmm... up to 35 years AND ~$1.3M....ain't karma a bitch?
A point of contention that I have with all this reporting- "Wyatt, of Evergreen," the dickhead didn't move up there until early 2013, he's not "of Evergreen" and we don't want to be associated with that ass.
Ouch. That is going to sting.
Martinjmpr
02-24-2017, 18:15
So, dumb question maybe, but how did someone with a revoked FFL "continue to order new guns for sale to keep the business going" ? How could he "order" anything without a valid FFL? Or was another FFL ordering for him and then don't they face some kind of charges for doing that, essentially facilitating a criminal enterprise? Inquiring minds want to know. ;)
I'm kind of curious how they only have 3 counts of selling without an FFL myself. I assume that many people were contacted and may not have wished to provide further information. Three is enough to get the result the prosecutors want.
I remember hearing quite a few customers guns were confiscated in that raid and ended up being held as evidence. That would suck.
If anyone knew the rules, he did, and he decided to break them. A good example of what greed will do to someone.
I'm kind of curious how they only have 3 counts of selling without an FFL myself. I assume that many people were contacted and may not have wished to provide further information. Three is enough to get the result the prosecutors want.
I think those three (3) counts were under cover ATF buys.
Mike
I think those three (3) counts were under cover ATF buys.
Mike
Oh that makes sense.
gnihcraes
03-02-2017, 20:17
any update on this trial?
Went to the jury today, deliberations continue on Friday.
**Tried to reach my friend at the courthouse today, Friday, for any update but never heard back.**
funkymonkey1111
03-08-2017, 13:33
Went to the jury today, deliberations continue on Friday.
**Tried to reach my friend at the courthouse today, Friday, for any update but never heard back.**
that jury sure is taking its sweet assed time! (or the media isn't bothering reporting it--i've not seen any stories except from the first day)
however, there was this story about a juror on the trial that left after being seated. his comments show just how true the adage "being judged by 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty..." really is--and just how F'ed you are if you're the one sitting in the defendant's chair. When the trial lawyers stand up and harp on and on about the wonderful nature of the jury system, it's because they want morons like this on their juries.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/03/richard-wyatt-gunsmoke-gun-show-trial/
there was this story about a juror on the trial that left after being seated. his comments show just how true the adage "being judged by 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty..." really is--and just how F'ed you are if you're the one sitting in the defendant's chair. When the trial lawyers stand up and harp on and on about the wonderful nature of the jury system, it's because they want morons like this on their juries.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/03/richard-wyatt-gunsmoke-gun-show-trial/
Wow...strangeness just surrounds Rich. There is a term called "strange magnet"...seems to apply here.
My "give a fuck" about this guy has gone to zero. On vacation this week so not watching, reading or listening to news. I log on here to get informed from you guys! :D
funkymonkey1111
03-08-2017, 17:34
My "give a fuck" about this guy has gone to zero. On vacation this week so not watching, reading or listening to news. I log on here to get informed from you guys! :D
I was waiting on an update from you
I was waiting on an update from you
Damn, I'm sorry, I'll reach out to my buddy at the courthouse to see if anything developed today. I learned a long time ago how difficult it is to guess what a jury will do. I became so disgusted, as did many of us, with Wyatt's behavior over the years. Hopefully the jury will reach a just decision. And then the appeals can begin! Unless he ran out of money :D.
**Just got a text from my friend, obviously court is done for the day, he said he didn't hear anything today but that doesn't necessarily mean anything lol**
that jury sure is taking its sweet assed time! (or the media isn't bothering reporting it--i've not seen any stories except from the first day)
however, there was this story about a juror on the trial that left after being seated. his comments show just how true the adage "being judged by 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty..." really is--and just how F'ed you are if you're the one sitting in the defendant's chair. When the trial lawyers stand up and harp on and on about the wonderful nature of the jury system, it's because they want morons like this on their juries.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/03/richard-wyatt-gunsmoke-gun-show-trial/
Awww. The precious snowflake couldn't figure it out. It's a good thing he brought his daddy to court.
Awww. The precious snowflake couldn't figure it out. It's a good thing he brought his daddy to court.
He played dumb pretty poorly. There is no freaking way he could think he was done- anyone who has seen anything on TV or movies, or even the news, that deals with a jury trial would know that it's not just opening statements and you're done. If I had been the judge I would have held him in contempt and given him 14 days jail.
Hipster no comprender instructions. Need daddy for safe space.
funkymonkey1111
03-08-2017, 20:11
https://youtu.be/Td67kYY9mdQ
Verdict supposedly is in-guilty on the conspiracy to deal in firearms without a license and the tax charges. He was free on bond pending the outcome but was taken in to custody after the verdict. Don't have info on sentencing or appeals.
SuperiorDG
03-10-2017, 15:54
Verdict supposedly is in-guilty on the conspiracy to deal in firearms without a license and the tax charges. He was free on bond pending the outcome but was taken in to custody after the verdict. Don't have info on sentencing or appeals.
I'm sure all the employees witnesses were a big help for his case. [Sarcasm2]
spqrzilla
03-10-2017, 16:26
Of course, with Wyatt, there had to be some sort of stupid ass drama.
speedysst
03-10-2017, 16:35
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/10/american-guns-reality-tv-show-richard-wyatt-convicted/ Guilty on 10 felony counts.
Anyone looking for a good time go browse his facebook page. Lots of concerned fans absolutely convinced the government is out to get him, and are just sure he's innocent. I guess little is known about what an absolute ball of feces he is as a person outside of the CO gun folks.
Rich is gonna' have a new boyfriend...
Only 15yrs? What's the breakdown on each charge?
funkymonkey1111
03-10-2017, 20:51
As much of a doofus as Rich Wyatt has turned out to be, i take no pleasure in his conviction orchestrated by ATF thugs for something he shouldn't have had to have a license to do in the first place.
As much of a doofus as Rich Wyatt has turned out to be, i take no pleasure in his conviction orchestrated by ATF thugs for something he shouldn't have had to have a license to do in the first place.
If it pleases the king, may I receive a parchment authorizing me to distribute Constitutionally allowed items?
funkymonkey1111
03-10-2017, 20:53
Rich is gonna' have a new boyfriend...
does that excite you? thinking about that--does it get your motor running?
post deleted
mods have already stated not to mention his family.
mods have already stated not to mention his family.
Deleted. My mistake.
scratchy
03-10-2017, 20:59
He is a world class doofus. The tax evasion part I agree with. The license part, like monkey said, not so much.
funkymonkey1111
03-10-2017, 21:03
Deleted. My mistake.
remember, he's from Evergreen!
does that excite you? thinking about that--does it get your motor running?
Damn. You've got me completely figured out.
I think that federal time is the full stretch, no time off for good behavior. He'll be 70ish when he's released.
He played a lot of stupid games and won a big fat stupid prize. Not shocked at all. Apparently he didn't get the memo: "Don't steal from the government...they hate competition". Well...guess he will have a good bit of time to write his life story book. Shall we start a thread on what the title should be?
[Muaha]
buffalobo
03-10-2017, 21:29
As much of a doofus as Rich Wyatt has turned out to be, i take no pleasure in his conviction orchestrated by ATF thugs for something he shouldn't have had to have a license to do in the first place.
+1, ^^^This.
buffalobo
03-10-2017, 21:31
Kind of ironic, episode of Modern Guns was on Pursuit tonite, hosted by Wyatt.
He played a lot of stupid games and won a big fat stupid prize. Not shocked at all. Apparently he didn't get the memo: "Don't steal from the government...they hate competition". Well...guess he will have a good bit of time to write his life story book. Shall we start a thread on what the title should be?
[Muaha]
And it'll end up in the fiction section of the library.
BPTactical
03-10-2017, 22:38
Yup, stupid games, stupid prizes.
So what did he do wrong? Just tax evasion and selling guns without license?
Bailey Guns
03-11-2017, 04:59
As much of a doofus as Rich Wyatt has turned out to be, i take no pleasure in his conviction orchestrated by ATF thugs for something he shouldn't have had to have a license to do in the first place.
We all have to play by the rules whether we like the rules or not. There's a process in place to change the rules. You don't just get to make up your own rules and expect things will turn out OK.
I'm certainly no fan of the ATF, or most other government agencies and I think our federal government, for the most part, far exceeds it's authority. Having said that, I've had a FFL and a gun business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the ATF never bothered me. At all. Wyatt knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made.
hurley842002
03-11-2017, 07:00
We all have to play by the rules whether we like the rules or not. There's a process in place to change the rules. You don't just get to make up your own rules and expect things will turn out OK.
I'm certainly no fan of the ATF, or most other government agencies and I think our federal government, for the most part, far exceeds it's authority. Having said that, I've had a FFL and a gun business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the ATF never bothered me. At all. Wyatt knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made.
Completely agree.
"I'm certainly no fan of the British Crown, or any earthly crown and I think the British Monarchy, for the most part, far exceeds it's [sic] authority. Having said that, I've had an importation license and tea business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the Red Coats never bothered me. At all. Washington knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made." Long live the king!
-just sayin'
Oh I see what you did there.
"I'm certainly no fan of the British Crown, or any earthly crown and I think the British Monarchy, for the most part, far exceeds it's [sic] authority. Having said that, I've had an importation license and tea business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the Red Coats never bothered me. At all. Washington knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made." Long live the king!
-just sayin'
Yet we aren't under the rule of a colonial monarchy. We overthrew that and put in place our own elected government. You're making a point, but it's not really valid to this situation.
-just sayin'
Yet we aren't under the rule of a colonial monarchy. We overthrew that and put in place our own elected government. You're making a point, but it's not really valid to this situation.
-just sayin'
That which "we" put in place is a far cry from what's in place. In view of principles, the present mafia deserves a swifter ass kicking that any illegitimate "king" ever did.
Further, the very things which "we" now see as "legal" and "constitutional" were held to be illegal and unconstitutional. To skirt that, the "government" simply made a law saying it can do whatever the hell it wants (16th Amendment) and then the "judicial" branch ratified that -- similar to the debacle of Obamacare insofar as exceeding its bounds of rule with no consequence -- in Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 240 U.S. 1; its primary argumentative thrust being the 16th Amendment.
And while the argument of involuntary servitude was "ruled" to be legally frivolous in Porth v. Brodrick, United States Collector of Internal Revenue for the State of Kansas, let's be frank: money is merely a proxy for a man's time and labor -- especially as it concerns the direct taxation of income (which seems to have a creeping scale towards everything as time goes on). Ergo, if a person must pay X% of Y income, they are, without recourse, being forced to effectively work in proxy for the US "government" (and state) some portion of the year -- and not for an effort but simply a blank check being forced by and written to the US "government". For myself, that subtends to about 2 weeks a year. For others, less or more. When other avenues are available but abandoned, this essentially constitutes theft.
Pursuant to the ATF, an agency with no oversight, checks or balances, they essentially act with impunity as if an organizational Cromwell, fabricating rules and enforcing them at the expense of the citizens (if that term can even be used at this point).
Let me put it clearly: the Founding Fathers straight killed the agents of the Crown and riled up an entire fledgling nation for far less.
The defense of "the .gov said so cus the .gov made a rule saying it can say so" is laughingly circular.
We all have to play by the rules whether we like the rules or not. There's a process in place to change the rules. You don't just get to make up your own rules and expect things will turn out OK.
I'm certainly no fan of the ATF, or most other government agencies and I think our federal government, for the most part, far exceeds it's authority. Having said that, I've had a FFL and a gun business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the ATF never bothered me. At all. Wyatt knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made.
Excellent post, well said. Your last two lines are what it all boils down to. He's had a long history of doing whatever the hell he felt like regardless of the law, let alone what ever was right. A quick google search will prove that out. He should've been castrated for how he treated his former wife.
That which "we" put in place is a far cry from what's in place. In view of principles, the present mafia deserves a swifter ass kicking that any illegitimate "king" ever did.
I agree with you there. The founding fathers risked life and treasure over a 2% tax and being able to determine their own destiny. Question is, who is volunteering to start the next revolution? Another question is who is going to use a douchebag like Rich Wyatt as the impetus for such a revolution?
glenncal1
03-11-2017, 09:40
"ATF agents seized 583 guns and ammunition from his Gunsmoke store on March 31, 2015." I wonder what happens to those guns now? Go to the crusher?
"ATF agents seized 583 guns and ammunition from his Gunsmoke store on March 31, 2015." I wonder what happens to those guns now? Go to the crusher?
They were probably sold to a Mexican drug cartel by the ATF.
Bailey Guns
03-11-2017, 10:53
That which "we" put in place is a far cry from what's in place. In view of principles, the present mafia deserves a swifter ass kicking that any illegitimate "king" ever did.
Further, the very things which "we" now see as "legal" and "constitutional" were held to be illegal and unconstitutional. To skirt that, the "government" simply made a law saying it can do whatever the hell it wants (16th Amendment) and then the "judicial" branch ratified that -- similar to the debacle of Obamacare insofar as exceeding its bounds of rule with no consequence -- in Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 240 U.S. 1; its primary argumentative thrust being the 16th Amendment.
And while the argument of involuntary servitude was "ruled" to be legally frivolous in Porth v. Brodrick, United States Collector of Internal Revenue for the State of Kansas, let's be frank: money is merely a proxy for a man's time and labor -- especially as it concerns the direct taxation of income (which seems to have a creeping scale towards everything as time goes on). Ergo, if a person must pay X% of Y income, they are, without recourse, being forced to effectively work in proxy for the US "government" (and state) some portion of the year -- and not for an effort but simply a blank check being forced by and written to the US "government". For myself, that subtends to about 2 weeks a year. For others, less or more. When other avenues are available but abandoned, this essentially constitutes theft.
Pursuant to the ATF, an agency with no oversight, checks or balances, they essentially act with impunity as if an organizational Cromwell, fabricating rules and enforcing them at the expense of the citizens (if that term can even be used at this point).
Let me put it clearly: the Founding Fathers straight killed the agents of the Crown and riled up an entire fledgling nation for far less.
The defense of "the .gov said so cus the .gov made a rule saying it can say so" is laughingly circular.
OK. So which "rules" or laws do we get to violate because of our principals? Why aren't you out in front, leading the next revolution?
Do you comply with ATF and other government rules you don't agree with?
What's laughable is comparing the overthrow of British rule with the ATF and other agencies arresting a criminal.
They were probably sold to a Mexican drug cartel by the ATF.
Yes.
It's for the children.
theGinsue
03-11-2017, 11:31
We all have to play by the rules whether we like the rules or not. There's a process in place to change the rules. You don't just get to make up your own rules and expect things will turn out OK.
I'm certainly no fan of the ATF, or most other government agencies and I think our federal government, for the most part, far exceeds it's authority. Having said that, I've had a FFL and a gun business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the ATF never bothered me. At all. Wyatt knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made.
Well said. Just like CO's current mag size restriction, we all disagree with it but we need to adhere to the law until such time that we use the system to get it revoked. There are a ton of laws I disagree with, but other than speeding (I tend to be a bit of a leadfoot), I abide by them all. It's my obligation as a citizen to do so. If I were truly offended by any law it would also be my obligation to work tirelessly to get it repealed instead of ignoring it.
"I'm certainly no fan of the British Crown, or any earthly crown and I think the British Monarchy, for the most part, far exceeds it's [sic] authority. Having said that, I've had an importation license and tea business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the Red Coats never bothered me. At all. Washington knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made." Long live the king!
-just sayin'
We have a system in place where we, as good citizens, can work to repeal anything we consider unjust. The problem here is that (unlike the situation which led to the American Revolution) we don't have enough people who want change. If enough citizens truly wanted change we could use our established processes to make those changes. The American colonists had no form of redress as we do today so the only way they could effect change was through revolution. This just isn't the case today.
Frankly, we fail to effect change today because too many are happy to allow our elected officials do as they please. While we have enough energy to bitch about those things we disagree with, we are to lazy as a whole to work to change those things. Only at a casual glance do the conditions experienced by our forefathers resemble those we experience today because we fail to consider our process for airing our grievances and making change. Our forefathers had no such options and were left with no choice but to rebel. Perhaps some day this will once again be the case for us, but that is not today and choosing to randomly ignore the laws is unpatriotic and fails to live up to the obligations we have as citizens.
hurley842002
03-11-2017, 11:45
Well said. Just like CO's current mag size restriction, we all disagree with it but we need to adhere to the law until such time that we use the system to get it revoked. There are a ton of laws I disagree with, but other than speeding (I tend to be a bit of a leadfoot), I abide by them all. It's my obligation as a citizen to do so. If I were truly offended by any law it would also be my obligation to work tirelessly to get it repealed instead of ignoring it.
We have a system in place where we, as good citizens, can work to repeal anything we consider unjust. The problem here is that (unlike the situation which led to the American Revolution) we don't have enough people who want change. If enough citizens truly wanted change we could use our established processes to make those changes. The American colonists had no form of redress as we do today so the only way they could effect change was through revolution. This just isn't the case today.
Frankly, we fail to effect change today because too many are happy to allow our elected officials do as they please. While we have enough energy to bitch about those things we disagree with, we are to lazy as a whole to work to change those things. Only at a casual glance do the conditions experienced by our forefathers resemble those we experience today because we fail to consider our process for airing our grievances and making change. Our forefathers had no such options and were left with no choice but to rebel. Perhaps some day this will once again be the case for us, but that is not today and choosing to randomly ignore the laws is unpatriotic and fails to live up to the obligations we have as citizens.
Again, I wish there were a "like" button on this forum, and I'm going to nag and nag until I get one (just kidding).
Again, I wish there were a "like" button on this forum, and I'm going to nag and nag until I get one (just kidding).
The 'like button' revolution!!! [Coffee]
GilpinGuy
03-11-2017, 21:42
"I'm certainly no fan of the British Crown, or any earthly crown and I think the British Monarchy, for the most part, far exceeds it's [sic] authority. Having said that, I've had an importation license and tea business. I played by the rules even when I didn't agree with them and it was a pain in the ass at times. But, because I did that, the Red Coats never bothered me. At all. Washington knew the rules and he chose to break them. I don't have any issues with him paying for the choices he made." Long live the king!
-just sayin'
I guess all the FFLs could throw their guns in a the ocean or a lake in protest. I did that, but, tragically, it was accidental.
That which "we" put in place is a far cry from what's in place. In view of principles, the present mafia deserves a swifter ass kicking that any illegitimate "king" ever did.
Further, the very things which "we" now see as "legal" and "constitutional" were held to be illegal and unconstitutional. To skirt that, the "government" simply made a law saying it can do whatever the hell it wants (16th Amendment) and then the "judicial" branch ratified that -- similar to the debacle of Obamacare insofar as exceeding its bounds of rule with no consequence -- in Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 240 U.S. 1; its primary argumentative thrust being the 16th Amendment.
And while the argument of involuntary servitude was "ruled" to be legally frivolous in Porth v. Brodrick, United States Collector of Internal Revenue for the State of Kansas, let's be frank: money is merely a proxy for a man's time and labor -- especially as it concerns the direct taxation of income (which seems to have a creeping scale towards everything as time goes on). Ergo, if a person must pay X% of Y income, they are, without recourse, being forced to effectively work in proxy for the US "government" (and state) some portion of the year -- and not for an effort but simply a blank check being forced by and written to the US "government". For myself, that subtends to about 2 weeks a year. For others, less or more. When other avenues are available but abandoned, this essentially constitutes theft.
Pursuant to the ATF, an agency with no oversight, checks or balances, they essentially act with impunity as if an organizational Cromwell, fabricating rules and enforcing them at the expense of the citizens (if that term can even be used at this point).
Let me put it clearly: the Founding Fathers straight killed the agents of the Crown and riled up an entire fledgling nation for far less.
The defense of "the .gov said so cus the .gov made a rule saying it can say so" is laughingly circular.
Depending on how much I owe, I think I have to work from 1 to 3 months. 2 weeks seems like very little in the context of your argument.
I've decided to learn how to better avoid taxes as my small form of rebellion.
buffalobo
03-12-2017, 08:21
Tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is an art.
Tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is an art.
Everybody just has to pay their fair share. [facepalm]
Singlestack
03-12-2017, 11:54
Yup, whatever the hell that means. (Yeah, I know, libs think the fair share is whatever they say it is).
Have no problem paying for defence, veterans care, law enforcement and transportation infrastructure . That's it.
Everything else is wasteful and unneeded. Pay for your own care, food and housing. Combined taxes should be no more than 10% of anyone's income.
Charity can take care of the social safety nets.
State sovereignty has been terribly eroded by the carrot of federal money taken from the workers of those states...but that's a subject for a different thread.
BushMasterBoy
03-12-2017, 14:04
Rich Wyatt will be living at the taxpayers expense now. Unless he gets probation. I am assuming all assets will be forfeited. Where will his family live? Do we have to pay for that too?
Circuits
03-12-2017, 15:11
I am assuming all assets will be forfeited.
Why would presume something stupid like that?
Proceeds of the criminal activity may be seized, or personal assets attached as part of restitution settlements, or to pay court fees and fines, or to pay attorney's fees, but just being convicted of a crime or crimes does not forfeit all your property to the state. At least not in this country, and at least not yet.
As any tow-truck operator, attorney, contractor or low-life car dealer could tell you, it's easy to shield assets even from judgements. Hell, OJ's kids still have money even though he's in prison and mostly dead-broke.
He probably kept everything behind corporate shells, or in his wife's name, or other such machinations, and only property directly seized from the Gunsmoke location itself, or in his name, personally, will ever be subject to asset forfeiture.
No probation for federal inmates. Upto 15% reduction for good behavior, then 3+ years of supervised release. Violate the terms of release during those years, back to the pen for the remaining time.
That's how the US DA explained it to me for the one who stole and pawned my guns.
hurley842002
03-12-2017, 17:34
No probation for federal inmates. Upto 15% reduction for good behavior, then 3+ years of supervised release. Violate the terms of release during those years, back to the pen for the remaining time.
That's how the US DA explained it to me for the one who stole and pawned my guns.
There is federal probation, there is no federal parole, it was replaced by "supervised release". Rich Wyatt will never see the inside of a "pen".
BushMasterBoy
03-12-2017, 18:30
Eglin AFB with tennis courts. And dorm rooms, not cells.
Saw this posted somewhere.... Didn't know that....
https://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=69597&d=1489379988
69597
USMC88-93
04-04-2017, 16:05
When is his sentencing?
funkymonkey1111
04-04-2017, 19:18
When is his sentencing?
in july some time
funkymonkey1111
03-08-2018, 14:41
Rich Wyatt was sentenced to 78 months confinement today, followed by 3 years of supervised probation.
Interestingly, as was the case when I viewed the trial, neither the wife nor either of the children were present.
The judge said she intended to impose a sentence at the low end of the sentencing guidelines. The government had sought significant sentence enhancers related to the scope of the conspiracy and failure to pay taxes.
The judge seemed to see the true Wyatt, or at least how some in the shooting community see him--that he was a person that sought admiration and adulation from his business and being on television. He had letters submitted from business people, lawyers, clergy, and family noting his "good deeds," and the judge again said that while it was nice that Wyatt did these deeds, they were also done for recognition and to seek additional adulation.
The judge took issue with the notion (proposed by Wyatt and his supporters) that this conviction was essentially a failure to do the proper paperwork regarding taxes and firearm sales. Prior to the hearing Wyatt had contended there was not a danger to the public because the guns that were sold were sold via other FFL's and 4473s were filled out/submitted. The judge discounted this because of the poor record keeping during the conspiracy.
The judge said that essentially Wyatt had declared himself above the law. And that as a former law enforcement officer, to have made such a declaration "shakes the very foundation on which this country is based." She assured Wyatt that he was not above the law. She stated that he knowingly broke the law with elements of fraud, greed and arrogance.
She said that Wyatt, throughout the process, has continued with the perception this was "all about him" (i'm not exactly sure what that means in this context). She noted he appeared to only be remorseful for the consequence of his action, but not for his conduct, and really what he is remorseful about is he doesn't have adulation he had when he was in business, or on TV, or had the financial wherewithal to live the extravagant life he previously had. In essence, she stated Wyatt was remorseful for what he has lost, not for what he has done, and his remorse is based on his lost importance.
As stated above, she stated Wyatt simply does good works to impress others and the court, and in so doing there is the sense of admiration and adulation he routinely sought.
Interestingly, the judge even noted several traffic violations he received during the timeframe of this conspiracy as further evidence of his flaunting the law.
Apparently there are two other pending actions in Jeffco that are to be addressed tomorrow. I cannot be for certain, but recall that there was an issue of Wyatt keeping someone's guns and refusing to return them. I don't recall all the details on that, but I believe that's what the Jeffco action is about.
He's a narcissist? That's a shocker. [Sarcasm2]
wctriumph
03-08-2018, 15:15
Poor Richard.
6.5 years. Oh well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
[BooHoo]
Poor Richard.
6.5 years. Oh well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
[BooHoo]
I'd guess he'll probably serve a year or less.
I'd guess he'll probably serve a year or less.
True, but he has officially screwed himself over in regard to ever owning/possessing a firearms ever again.
hurley842002
03-08-2018, 15:51
True, but he has officially screwed himself over in regard to ever owning/possessing a firearms ever again.That would be more of a punishment to me than serving the time.
SuperiorDG
03-08-2018, 15:52
As one of his former employees said to me, "he's his own favorite person." I would think losing your right to ever own a gun would be the worst of all.
funkymonkey1111
03-08-2018, 16:28
I'd guess he'll probably serve a year or less.
Federal inmates generally serve at least 85% of their sentences
Six years, six months plus three years probation!?!
Did the judge take victim impact statements from all the 1911s? [Cry]
[snip]
The judge said that essentially Wyatt had declared himself above the law. And that as a former law enforcement officer, to have made such a declaration "shakes the very foundation on which this country is based." She assured Wyatt that he was not above the law. She stated that he knowingly broke the law with elements of fraud, greed and arrogance.
[snip]
You mean like Gov Moonbeam?
BPTactical
03-08-2018, 19:15
Bye Felicia...
The judge said that essentially Wyatt had declared himself above the law. And that as a former law enforcement officer, to have made such a declaration "shakes the very foundation on which this country is based." She assured Wyatt that he was not above the law. She stated that he knowingly broke the law with elements of fraud, greed and arrogance.
Get Hillary in front of that judge!!!
Now someone needs to build a fraud case.
.455_Hunter
03-08-2018, 20:10
When shooters have people like this in our own community, who needs enemies...
I have made many posts on other forums "correcting" the assumption the the charges against Wyatt were some anti-gun conspiracy due to his TV show.
Nope, he is just a smuck.
It's crazy what a huge following he still has outside of locals that know his true nature. I also find myself explaining the true extent of his shitbaggery every time his name pops up on more national groups.
It's crazy what a huge following he still has outside of locals that know his true nature. I also find myself explaining the true extent of his shitbaggery every time his name pops up on more national groups.
This.
ZERO THEORY
03-12-2018, 08:40
As one of his former employees said to me, "he's his own favorite person." I would think losing your right to ever own a gun would be the worst of all.
We've got a good family friend who cut his teeth as a 'smith with Rich fifteen or so years ago. Back when the shop was in that janky old wood-paneled building right there on 38th & Wads. Rich was a real bag of shit before that, then, and after. Good riddance.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.