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So, seems a few of my threads disappeared. Anyhow, I am going to be getting my carry permit soon and had been trying to decide what I wanted to carry and how I wanted to carry it.
I had originally thought I'd get something small and thin and carry it just behind my hip on my strong side.
Well, I put a set of Talon grips on one of my Glock 19's this evening and was kind of playing around with it. I have a cheap DeSantis inside the waist band holster. Just for grins, I tucked it in the waist band of my shorts (with no belt) in the appendix carry position. It was actually pretty comfortable and hid well under my t-shirt. The butt of the grip would print slightly depending on which way I moved around but it really wasn't all that noticeable.
So, now I'm leaning towards maybe picking up a Glock 26 and doing the appendix carry.
Kind of of glad I tried the 19 out and tried the appendix carry. I'm starting to realize what some of you were telling me that concealing a somewhat full size handgun isn't all that difficult or uncomfortable. If the grip of the 19 was barely printing I bet the 26 won't print at all.
Just wanted to thank you all again for all of the helpful advice.
[Beer]
I think a cop has noticed me printing once carrying appendix. I really wasn't dressed to carry, as I was wearing work out clothes so the shirt was an under armor and a fitted style. I got looked up and down and got a nod.
A 26 and 19 aren't very different. A good holster will make all the difference when carry there. I've tried out 3 all with great results. The last one I got has to be the most comfortable and exactly what I wanted after trying the other two.
I settled for the incog eclipse. I'm not sure of your build.. But it's the best I've used so far
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Ray i know you have stated in your last post about wearing or hating belts, but you want try a couple different belts to help hold the gun in place. The extra weight kinda makes your pants from sagging. Just my .02.
Ray i know you have stated in your last post about wearing or hating belts, but you want try a couple different belts to help hold the gun in place. The extra weight kinda makes your pants from sagging. Just my .02.
Sagging pants are all the rage these days. I'll fit right in. [Awesom]
People who carry concealed are more likely to notice, especially if they happen to carry the same way you carry.
Everyone else? They barely notice open carry most of the time, so unless you are constantly fussing with your clothing and holster under your clothing it is extremely unlikely some slight printing will get anyone's attention.
Comfort and consistency are my goals in carrying. More than 12 hours everyday, day after day, will give you a great opportunity to decide what works best for you.
If you want some stuff to try out, you know where I am.
Good for you, Ray! I've been trying to figure out where to CC, what to carry, and all things in between. It's a tough decision. I've yet to apply for my permit (I know, I know) and I have to admit that I'm really not on speaking terms with the gun I initially selected for CC. Research has revealed that there's some sort of ...pin? that needs replacing or something.
Anyhow, it's far tougher to select a method of carrying than I initially thought! Clothes really cling. And I hate belts, too. So I'm glad to hear that you found something that worked! :)
To Bear Arms
05-01-2015, 07:37
I am glad you tried it. I appendix carry a Sig P229 Tactical Elite or a Glock 27. Once you get used to carrying you hardly notice its there. Then on those days when you can't carry you feel naked without it.
I have a love/hate relationship with appendix carry. I started out with appendix carry (Shield) using an Incog holster, which is great. And appendix carry, to me, is pretty comfy and convenient most of the time. It was annoying when I had to bend over/down for things especially in relation to the leg that the holster was more shifted towards. Tying a shoe, picking up something, etc and either the grip or the barrel would poke uncomfortably and impede movement. Sitting down in a chair or the car could also be less than comfy at times.
I ended up switching to 4:00-4:30ish carry with a White Hat MicroTuck . . . was just more comfortable/convenient a higher percentage of the time, for me anyway. I do still appendix carry it here and there, but that's maybe 10% of the time these days.
As others have noted . . . it's all personal preference. You kind of have to try the options that appeal to you and decide which is best for you. Good luck and congrats on the pending permit.
Zundfolge
05-01-2015, 08:49
When choosing a carry position/style many folk make the mistake of making the decision based on how comfortable and how well it conceals when standing up and walking around.
After carrying for the last 15 or so years I've found that comfort and concealability is more difficult to achieve but important when sitting, bending, crouching, driving and generally not simply standing straight up ans walking around.
Like a lot of folk I started out at 4'oclock carry (with a very short attempt to appendix carry ... like 1 day ... Ramsker pointed out the flaws there) and eventually ended up moving my carry position to between 3:00 and 3:30. I found that this position was least likley to print when sitting or bending over, my arm covers the gun while walking which helps with conceal-ability (and considering I started daily CCWing back in Kansas before it was legal this was real important ... now I couldn't care less if people realize I'm packing) and it allowed me to be able to draw while seated and belted in in the car.
My biggest bit of advice is to NOT try to make up your mind how you're going to carry before you actually start doing it ... keep an open mind and try lots of things and you'll eventually figure out what method works best for you. And don't try to do this on the cheap. Get a good gun belt (http://www.thebeltman.net/), don't scrimp on holsters (my first holster was a belly band and frankly I believe that carrying that way triggered a couple years of suffering from IBS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome)...ugh). When you do spend plenty on a holster and you realize its not going to work out don't get all stubborn and "I spent $80 on this damn thing I'll MAKE it work!" Just learn and move on.
Just remember that we are truly living in the golden age of concealed carry. You'll find that perfect combination of gun, holster and position.
Good holster and belt. Can't stress this enough. My holsters for the range are Kydex OWB. I can't fathom wearing Kydex IWB. I don't have much "padding" to be comfortable. Leather IWB for me. Expecting another custom one soon for my STI 2011 Tactical. If the guns heavy you need to spread the pad out over a larger surface area. Paddle style holsters are best for that. Either direction you go, you'll be uncomfortable and a little sore for a few days until your body acclimated itself. Don't give up.
So, starting to narrow down my handgun choices.
While I like the M&P line up, there is something about the Shield that just doesn't feel good in my hand.
So, I have pretty much narrowed it down to the Glock 26 or maybe the 43.
Besides the width, the two are about the same size. The 43, as thin as it is, still feels and points like a Glock. I'll have to decide if the thinner profile is worth sacrificing a few rounds.
I've got a NIB G26 in the safe, if you decide to go that way. Just sayin'. And I can throw in some 9mm ammo.
I carry a 26 IWB at about 4 o'clock...for a medium fat guy like me, it pretty much disappears, and is reasonably comfortable.
hurley842002
05-02-2015, 18:29
The G26 is a great choice, and I've carried that model probably more than any other, but I don't think you'll be throwing it in the pocket for a trip to the grocery store. For me, the shield was the largest pistol I could pocket carry, while still handling like a larger pistol. That's what sells me on it, granted I appendix carry it most of the time, I still want the pocket option.
blacklabel
05-02-2015, 19:53
I carry a full size M&P9 at 3 o'clock, shifted back to 4 when I'm seated in a vehicle. It conceals well under a polo and t-shirt and is comfortable enough. For my build the only annoyance is shifting in when getting into my truck or shifting it back when I get out.
The G26 is a great choice, and I've carried that model probably more than any other, but I don't think you'll be throwing it in the pocket for a trip to the grocery store. For me, the shield was the largest pistol I could pocket carry, while still handling like a larger pistol. That's what sells me on it, granted I appendix carry it most of the time, I still want the pocket option.
I hear what you're saying. I don't necessarily have my heart set on pocket carry.
I put the 26, the 43, and the shield side by side today to compare sizes. Length of the slides were pretty much identical. The 26 was obviously quite a bit thicker than the other two. I was a bit surprised to see the length from the top of the slide to the bottom of the grip. The 26 and 43 were pretty close to the same but the shield was a fair bit longer than either of the Glocks. If you can pocket the shield, I should be able to pocket the 43 as well. Not so much the 26 because of the width I imagine.
hurley842002
05-02-2015, 20:06
I hear what you're saying. I don't necessarily have my heart set on pocket carry.
I put the 26, the 43, and the shield side by side today to compare sizes. Length of the slides were pretty much identical. The 26 was obviously quite a bit thicker than the other two. I was a bit surprised to see the length from the top of the slide to the bottom of the grip. The 26 and 43 were pretty close to the same but the shield was a fair bit longer than either of the Glocks. If you can pocket the shield, I should be able to pocket the 43 as well. Not so much the 26 because of the width I imagine.
Yeah from what I've seen, the 43 would pocket carry pretty easily. Had I not sunk $300 into my shield, and fallen in love with it, chances are high I'd be seeking out a 43. I still would like to let you shoot my shield with the Talon's, it completely transformed the grip for me.
Yeah from what I've seen, the 43 would pocket carry pretty easily. Had I not sunk $300 into my shield, and fallen in love with it, chances are high I'd be seeking out a 43. I still would like to let you shoot my shield with the Talon's, it completely transformed the grip for me.
I'd still like to shoot it. I only handled a box-stock model. I'd be curious to see if the Talons make a difference for me in the way it feels.
hurley842002
05-02-2015, 20:34
I'd still like to shoot it. I only handled a box-stock model. I'd be curious to see if the Talons make a difference for me in the way it feels.
If the grips don't win you over, the trigger might.... lol
If the grips don't win you over, the trigger might.... lol
I've actually had some of the Apex stuff on the full size M&P. The actual trigger (like the one you have) gives it a much more positive feel, in my opinion. Even without all of the other internal doodads.
I generally carry a Kahr PM9. I picked up a g19 recently and tried carrying it yesterday for the first time. It wasn't terrible but wasn't as "invisible" with a t shirt on. It's definitely more of a hoody/jacket carry option for me. Maybe because I'm so used to the small kahr and got spoiled. But I like the capacity and having a bit more full size with the 19. All about having choices.
Ok. So I'm really leaning towards the 43. Even have a deal set up to buy one at a fairly reasonable price. Thinking I might try to pick it up Friday or Saturday if it doesn't sell before then.
Zundfolge
05-04-2015, 11:06
Ok. So I'm really leaning towards the 43. Even have a deal set up to buy one at a fairly reasonable price. Thinking I might try to pick it up Friday or Saturday if it doesn't sell before then.
Based on all the numbers the 43 doesn't appear to be significantly smaller than the 26 ... but frankly for a first CCW piece I think it will serve you well.
hurley842002
05-04-2015, 11:29
Based on all the numbers the 43 doesn't appear to be significantly smaller than the 26 ... but frankly for a first CCW piece I think it will serve you well.
I used to be in the anti single stack crowd, and have since changed my mind. The difference in thickness between the 26 and 43 would likely be enough for me to pick the 43. If I'm going to choose something as thick as the 26 I'll most likely choose the 19.
Zundfolge
05-04-2015, 12:01
The difference in thickness between the 26 and 43 would likely be enough for me to pick the 43. If I'm going to choose something as thick as the 26 I'll most likely choose the 19.
.16" (so just a hair over 5/32") in thickness is the difference between the 26 and 43 and to me that just does not seem like all that much ... especially when it costs you 4 rounds of capacity. The more important dimension for a CCW piece is the grip length. This is why the G26 is a significant improvement over the G19. That said, a G19 sized gun is not all that hard to conceal.
But to be clear any one of them will make an excellent CCW piece for ray.
hurley842002
05-04-2015, 12:13
.16" (so just a hair over 5/32") in thickness is the difference between the 26 and 43 and to me that just does not seem like all that much ... especially when it costs you 4 rounds of capacity. The more important dimension for a CCW piece is the grip length. This is why the G26 is a significant improvement over the G19. That said, a G19 sized gun is not all that hard to conceal.
But to be clear any one of them will make an excellent CCW piece for ray.
You can say what you want about the "miniscule" difference in thickness, but in my case, the difference between the M&P9c and Shield is noticeable, and I choose thinner. There is a difference between numbers on paper, and numbers in your waste band. Different strokes.....
I didn't run any numbers but I'm surprised there's only. 16" difference. In person it looked more like at least. 25" or more.
.16" (so just a hair over 5/32") in thickness is the difference between the 26 and 43 and to me that just does not seem like all that much ...
I bet if your wallet was suddenly .16" you'd notice right away.
Zundfolge
05-04-2015, 14:11
I bet if your wallet was suddenly .16" you'd notice right away.
Yeah because there would finally be something in it :p
I also try to remember what I'm carrying for. I doubt I'll ever get into a gun battle in public. My single stack pm9 with a back up mag should be plenty to get me out of any situation I might run into. Is more capacity bad? Of course not. But I can carry my pm9 all day, every day and never get bothered by it. I can sit on a couch, ride in my car, etc and hardly know its there. Carrying the G19 yesterday, I was aware all day that it was there. I'm still going to keep trying the G19 and once the holster breaks in more, I may feel differently. But the larger grip was annoying.
Edit to add pics. G19 vs Kahr PM9.
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beast556
05-06-2015, 01:20
Im a huge fan of pocket carry. I carried a j-frame for the last few years in a nemesis pocket.holster. I just switched to a s&w sheild in a pocket holster. Carried a g19 iwb for a few years before the J-frame. I have never seen the need to carry a reload. With that said out of all the guns that I have carried over the years the j-frame in a pocket or iwb holster is hands down the most comfortable gun to carry.
Like others have said no one is going to notice you printing you could hang your shirt over your gun and no one will notice. IT will take time to figure out what is going to work for you. It sucks because holsters and accessories are expensive and holsters seem to sell at 50% of there value used.
Im a huge fan of pocket carry. I carried a j-frame for the last few years in a nemesis pocket.holster. I just switched to a s&w sheild in a pocket holster. Carried a g19 iwb for a few years before the J-frame. I have never seen the need to carry a reload. With that said out of all the guns that I have carried over the years the j-frame in a pocket or iwb holster is hands down the most comfortable gun to carry.
Like others have said no one is going to notice you printing you could hang your shirt over your gun and no one will notice. IT will take time to figure out what is going to work for you. It sucks because holsters and accessories are expensive and holsters seem to sell at 50% of there value used.
Yes, almost no one, the person who spots your print will be looking for it, most people are too busy yakking or texting to notice a truck coming at them much less your print.
hurley842002
05-07-2015, 20:15
Yes, almost no one, the person who spots your print will be looking for it, most people are too busy yakking or texting to notice a truck coming at them much less your print.
True story...
Well, looks like I'm going to be picking up a Glock 43 tomorrow. If any of you want to help me break it in you're welcome to put some rounds through it.
Hopefully by the time my permit arrives the selection of holsters available will be pretty good. And maybe there will be a couple of options for night sights as well.
Lex_Luthor
05-28-2015, 15:15
So, did you get it Ray?
HoneyBadger
06-01-2015, 09:03
I generally carry a Kahr PM9. I picked up a g19 recently and tried carrying it yesterday for the first time. It wasn't terrible but wasn't as "invisible" with a t shirt on. It's definitely more of a hoody/jacket carry option for me. Maybe because I'm so used to the small kahr and got spoiled. But I like the capacity and having a bit more full size with the 19. All about having choices.
I have a PM9, a G26 and a G19. I'm 5'10" and weigh 155. I started out carrying the G19 and had a hard time ever feeling comfortable with it in anything less than a jacket. I have had a few reliability issues with the PM9 (very rare, but still enough to make me uncomfortable about it) so I generally carry the G26 in warmer weather and keep the PM9 as a backup in the car or around the house. I usually use a crossbreed supertuck, but I've really been thinking about those alien gear holsters lately. If my Spidey Sense is tingling, I like to have the 19 for the capacity and because I'm a much better shot with it, but as the saying goes, if I was expecting trouble, I would've brought my rifle.
As Dave_L said above, I am aware of the G19 most of the time when I carry it, but I can easily forget about the G26 or PM9. I think I would really like the G43.
Well, looks like I'm going to be picking up a Glock 43 tomorrow. If any of you want to help me break it in you're welcome to put some rounds through it.
Hopefully by the time my permit arrives the selection of holsters available will be pretty good. And maybe there will be a couple of options for night sights as well.
Well, congrats, Ray! Let us know how it's working for you. [Beer]
So, did you get it Ray?
What? The permit?
I applied. Probably be a couple of months before I see it.
Lex_Luthor
06-01-2015, 09:13
The permit & the pistol. I was curious about the G43's. I think I still prefer a Shield. I want to get one for both myself and my wife.
I have had a few reliability issues with the PM9 (very rare, but still enough to make me uncomfortable about it)
Dang! I havent had a single issue on mine as far as reliability goes. I had the little tip on the guide rod unscrew on me and fall off but that's been it. Locktite is recommended but I never did it.
Like you said, the G19 does make me feel a little more warm and fuzzy but I trust the pm9 for anything to get me away from a situation. What's the saying? Your pistol is just for letting you retreat back to your rifle?
The permit & the pistol. I was curious about the G43's. I think I still prefer a Shield. I want to get one for both myself and my wife.
I did pick up the 43. Did a review of it here somewhere. Heck, I think you were even in on the conversation in that thread.
Lex_Luthor
06-01-2015, 11:30
I might have posted while half asleep. I'll go back & check it out.
Well, I didn't even have my permit in my wallet for a full day and ordered another carry piece. You know, so I'll have options. I kept with my current philosophy of keeping things small and thin but thought maybe having something with a little more punch might be nice. I was doing a little research and saw they are making the Springfield XDS with an FDE frame. Figured since I have had good luck with the XD series and I kind of have a thing for FDE or OD green I'd pick one up. Ordered the XDS in 45 ACP and hopefully I'll be picking it up on Saturday. Probably still carry the Glock most of the time but this will give me another option.
Lex_Luthor
06-11-2015, 21:07
Nice Ray, that was quick! I need more handguns. Definitely still want to grab a Shield 9 for both the wife & I. And I'm trying to build a rifle. And my shotgun is almost the way I want it.
Ran a couple of errands this morning. Decided to carry the 43 just because I could. Wasn't overly comfortable but this is still new territory for me. Definitely need to invest in a good holster. Thinking maybe something in leather might make me feel more comfy. Guess I'll have to get online and start shopping around. Still wearing my belt as I type this. The belt doesn't seem to be bothering me like I thought it would. I am thinking I might end up buying something small for pocket carry when I am just out running errands. The 43 is just a tad big to be stuffing in the pocket I think.
Well, this whole "figuring it out" thing can certainly eat up some funds. Lol.
I'm perfectly happy with my choice of handgun. Really like the Glock 43. Small, light, thin, easy to shoot.
Getting the rest of the stuff figured out is taking a little trial and error. Already on my third holster and second belt.
Still looking for just the right holster and I'd like to see if I can find a belt without a buckle. Maybe something with Velcro.
buffalobo
06-25-2015, 18:37
Instructors belt from Wilderness Tactical.
sent from my electronic ball and chain
Instructors belt from Wilderness Tactical.
sent from my electronic ball and chain
I have one. The buckle is a bit big for my taste. Sticks out a little funny at a weird angle when I appendix carry.
I finally received my Special Operations Equipment belt and it blows my old Wilderness away. Super stiff and you can order it in different color combos. It does have a Cobra buckle, but it's tiny and also quick disconnect. To use the bathroom, all
you do is unclip the buckle then snap it back together and no adjustments are needed. It'll hold a 2 1/2-3lb pistol no problem.
buffalobo
06-26-2015, 05:05
Check out Tandy leather or a local saddlery shop. Pick up a cinch, cut it to length and put a buckle you like on it (Tandy or Internet store for buckle source). Will take some time to break in. Once it does, very comfortable and last for years.
I wear one daily and have actually used it as tow strap in a pinch, to pull vehicle out of ditch.
sent from my electronic ball and chain
Been running a 511 operators belt for about a year and it's honestly the best belt I have found.
I used a Blackhawks ankle rig with the 43 the other day and it's not bad but I will defiantly upgrade eventually to a leather ankle rig. The 43 just sticks out farther from my leg then I like, looks like I have a home arrest beacon on my leg.
Carry something full sized for a couple of weeks. Do it all day from sun up till you retire for the night.
After that, carrying just about anything else will feel like a tiny gun.
When your sub compact begins to feel big again, holster up the full sized again and go forth concealed.
It is in your head. The vast majority of people you meet will never even consider that you are armed.
We see what we expect to see.
Lex_Luthor
06-29-2015, 08:00
I carry appendix too, and have a Wilderness Instructor belt copy (for now). I position my belt so that the buckle is over the left "appendix" area, basically just opposite my pistol. That seems to balance out the weirdness of the buckle when my pistol is incorporated.
I carry appendix too, and have a Wilderness Instructor belt copy (for now). I position my belt so that the buckle is over the left "appendix" area, basically just opposite my pistol. That seems to balance out the weirdness of the buckle when my pistol is incorporated.
Thanks. That thought had actually crossed my mind. Just haven't tried it yet.
Also, I ordered a holster about two or three weeks ago and just got notice that it shipped. Pretty anxious for it to arrive. Ordered it for an XDS but if I like it I will probably order one for the Glock 43 and one for a 19.
Should be picking up an INCOG tomorrow from a fellow forum member for the 43 as well.
I figure with enough trial and error I will find a setup that I am happy and comfortable with.
I figure with enough trial and error I will find a setup that I am happy and comfortable with.
Well, still in the whole "trial and error" phase trying to find a holster. Lol.
Ordered another one for the 43. It's from a company called SHTF Gear. Kind of a crossbreed style so not sure how I'm going to like it. I've tried similar ones in the past and they just felt like I had too much stuff crammed inside my pants. This one appears to be a bit smaller overall so hopefully it won't give me that same feeling.
http://www.shtfgear.com/products/ace-1-gen-2-holster
Hotchef181818
07-06-2015, 21:59
Have you considered Alien Gear ? I just got one for my LCR and I'm liking it. The backing is some sort of neoprene type material. Super comfy. If you can't find any good pics shoot me a pm and I'll take whatever you want.
hurley842002
07-06-2015, 22:05
If you decide one of the many holsters isn't working out, and you wish to part with one, let me know Ray. I should probably have something other than a pocket holster for my 43, just been too lazy to order, or perhaps I don't trust any of the carriers to deliver packages anymore.
Tinelement
07-06-2015, 22:27
Here's another option for you.
http://www.phlster.com
Shield has been riding in one for over a year now. I'm more than happy with it. It is made for appendix carry, but I have carried it at 3:30 with no problems. You can also get a 2nd loop for it which would help with the 2-4:00 position.
Only thing I changed was when I got the depth right I cut the access material off the bottom side of where the loop bolts the holster. Had some extra holes for adjustment that I didn't use and they dug into my inner leg, so I just cut it off.
Couple pics of it.....
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/0F82B0EA-6918-4D26-BFB8-084795B89107.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/0F82B0EA-6918-4D26-BFB8-084795B89107.jpg.html)
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/04B695AE-2B03-4B3A-B815-F9ABF1CADAF5.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/04B695AE-2B03-4B3A-B815-F9ABF1CADAF5.jpg.html)
Have you considered Alien Gear ? I just got one for my LCR and I'm liking it. The backing is some sort of neoprene type material. Super comfy. If you can't find any good pics shoot me a pm and I'll take whatever you want.
Looked into them. I like the backing. Didn't like the fact that the Kydex part is so flat and wide. They make their holsters so that you can swap the shell out for just about any handgun and use the same backing. That means the shell for my little 43 would be just as wide as one for a full size Sig or a 1911. That didn't appeal to me.
If you decide one of the many holsters isn't working out, and you wish to part with one, let me know Ray. I should probably have something other than a pocket holster for my 43, just been too lazy to order, or perhaps I don't trust any of the carriers to deliver packages anymore.
Once I settle on a holster I really like I'll decide if I want to part with any of the others. If I do, you'll get first dibs.
Here's another option for you.
http://www.phlster.com
Shield has been riding in one for over a year now. I'm more than happy with it. It is made for appendix carry, but I have carried it at 3:30 with no problems. You can also get a 2nd loop for it which would help with the 2-4:00 position.
Only thing I changed was when I got the depth right I cut the access material off the bottom side of where the loop bolts the holster. Had some extra holes for adjustment that I didn't use and they dug into my inner leg, so I just cut it off.
Couple pics of it.....
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/0F82B0EA-6918-4D26-BFB8-084795B89107.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/0F82B0EA-6918-4D26-BFB8-084795B89107.jpg.html)
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/04B695AE-2B03-4B3A-B815-F9ABF1CADAF5.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/04B695AE-2B03-4B3A-B815-F9ABF1CADAF5.jpg.html)
Looks an awful lot like the one I made for my 43. I haven't gotten around to making or buying a belt clip/loop for it yet.
The wider holsters tend to feel more comfortable and break up the weight. If it bends enough, the wideness shouldn't be much of a comfort issue.
You mentioned that some of the holsters felt like there was just too much stuff going on inside your belt. Are you trying a variety of positions (1 o'clock to 5 o'clock) around the belt to see where it "fits" the best? I assume that you have, but thought I would ask, just in case.
The wider holsters tend to feel more comfortable and break up the weight. If it bends enough, the wideness shouldn't be much of a comfort issue.
You mentioned that some of the holsters felt like there was just too much stuff going on inside your belt. Are you trying a variety of positions (1 o'clock to 5 o'clock) around the belt to see where it "fits" the best? I assume that you have, but thought I would ask, just in case.
Been trying several positions with each holster. If I never had to sit down I have a couple of holsters that are quite comfy at the one o'clock to two o'clock position that hide the gun well. Unfortunately, I find myself sitting quite a bit throughout the day and carrying in that position is a bit uncomfortable. Beginning to experiment with carrying in the four o'clock position but don't have a holster that is really designed to be carried in that position so I tend to print more than I like.
Just remember that you print only about half as much as you feel. I like 4 o'clock best, but with a shirt tucked in, it seems a little wide on the hip. 5 o'clock can't be seen from straight on, even without a cover garment, but sitting can be uncomfortable and bending can feel like the grip is poking out of your shirt.
I can't seem to carry at 1 or 2 without looking like I have a tumor on my waste.
Lex_Luthor
07-07-2015, 09:29
It only looks like a tumor to you, also. When I look down while carrying appendix, I can definitely see it. But someone looking straight at you likely won't see it.
For work, I use a secondary concealment method: a semi - tucked under shirt.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/f12f1e388bdfd51cc136b6d5c77d1f45.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/ccabc3ab3ad2e750ce23df8b9e255263.jpg
So if I reach up & my outer shirt comes up, the gun stays hidden by the shirt. The only thing that shows is the clip of the holster.
You have a flatter stomach than I do, but I don't know how much that plays a part. I've used the ticked in under shirt methods before with great effect (while running), but I can't get away with top shirt untucked. To me, the biggest concern by far is clips being noticed. I've had clips noticed before and I don't see how anyone can be comfortable carrying with shirt tucked in with big clips sticking out.
SideShow Bob
07-08-2015, 19:58
It only looks like a tumor to you, also. When I look down while carrying appendix, I can definitely see it. But someone looking straight at you likely won't see it.
For work, I use a secondary concealment method: a semi - tucked under shirt.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/f12f1e388bdfd51cc136b6d5c77d1f45.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/ccabc3ab3ad2e750ce23df8b9e255263.jpg
So if I reach up & my outer shirt comes up, the gun stays hidden by the shirt. The only thing that shows is the clip of the holster.
But everyone will notice when this happens........
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/08/c2845c2a6b7f807f4d9bd870e0ec56c8.jpg
Sent from my ass using re-fried beans.
Lex_Luthor
07-08-2015, 20:06
Heh. I keep my booger hook off the bang switch until ready to fire. And back off again when reholstering.
Grant H.
07-08-2015, 23:53
For that graphic to make sense, the idiot had to cross a lot of his torso, which is very bad form.
Also, as Lex said, proper trigger finger discipline would be beneficial.
ETA: I suppose it's not quite as bad if he's one those wacky left handed folks. But still, he had to cross more of his torso than necessary.
Ok. Got my SHTF Gear holster today. Only briefly tried it on but it seems like it's going to be way more comfortable than similar styles I have tried in the past. Although, the other ones that I tried were for much larger handguns. Going to wear it a bit tomorrow and see how it goes.
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hurley842002
07-10-2015, 20:21
Ok. Got my SHTF Gear holster today. Only briefly tried it on but it seems like it's going to be way more comfortable than similar styles I have tried in the past. Although, the other ones that I tried were for much larger handguns. Going to wear it a bit tomorrow and see how it goes.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/10/3fe4f16dd14381347990389717899a49.jpg
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Nice! I recently went back to the hybrid style holster for my G19, after carrying AIWB for awhile. I have to admit, I missed the hybrid holsters, MUCH more comfortable IMO. I can only imagine for a G43 size pistol, it would pretty much disappear.
I must admit Ray, you are doing many of us a big favor by trying out all these G43 holsters.
So, wore the SHTF holster today while mowing the lawn. Figured a couple of hours worth of being hot and sweaty with it would help begin the break-in process.
Have to say it was pretty comfy. Almost didn't even realize I had it on about half way through the back yard.
As a testament to how well this holster works, I was wearing shorts and a t-shirt. No belt. Just tucked the holster with the pistol in it inside my waistband and situated it where it felt comfortable. Nearly two hours mowing the lawn and the thing didn't budge a bit.
Was going to wear it to run some errands today but ended up taking it off and just tucking one of my other holsters in the appendix position instead. I feel more comfortable at this point walking around in public carrying in that position. Hides better, seems easier to get to if I need it, and is very comfy if I don't have to sit down much.
Only issue I have from time to time is if I bend over, kneel down, duck under low branches while mowing, etc. my shirt tends to hang up on the butt of my gun but with a little tug and adjustment to both side ( so I don't look to obvious ) and all is well
Great-Kazoo
07-21-2015, 00:03
So, wore the SHTF holster today while mowing the lawn. Figured a couple of hours worth of being hot and sweaty with it would help begin the break-in process.
Have to say it was pretty comfy. Almost didn't even realize I had it on about half way through the back yard.
As a testament to how well this holster works, I was wearing shorts and a t-shirt. No belt. Just tucked the holster with the pistol in it inside my waistband and situated it where it felt comfortable. Nearly two hours mowing the lawn and the thing didn't budge a bit.
Was going to wear it to run some errands today but ended up taking it off and just tucking one of my other holsters in the appendix position instead. I feel more comfortable at this point walking around in public carrying in that position. Hides better, seems easier to get to if I need it, and is very comfy if I don't have to sit down much.
Nice to know your comfort level is getting better. With all these holsters you've been buying. Could you buy a 1911 commander. I'd like to get another holster for mine, would like to get a RAY1970 approved one.
Nice to know your comfort level is getting better. With all these holsters you've been buying. Could you buy a 1911 commander. I'd like to get another holster for mine, would like to get a RAY1970 approved one.
Lol. Sure. Been kind of wanting a commander sized 1911 in 9mm anyways. Holster testing for you sounds like a good excuse to get one.
As far as my comfort level, it still isn't very good no matter how I carry or what I carry in. Starting to think carrying a handgun just isn't my cup of tea. Or maybe carrying in shorts and a t-shirt just isn't for me. Perhaps when the weather cools off and I can wear a jacket I'll do better.
Great-Kazoo
07-21-2015, 06:54
Lol. Sure. Been kind of wanting a commander sized 1911 in 9mm anyways. Holster testing for you sounds like a good excuse to get one.
As far as my comfort level, it still isn't very good no matter how I carry or what I carry in. Starting to think carrying a handgun just isn't my cup of tea. Or maybe carrying in shorts and a t-shirt just isn't for me. Perhaps when the weather cools off and I can wear a jacket I'll do better.
No one says you need to carry 24/7. There are times we do, other we don't. Around the homestead ;) there's no need as rapid response is within arms reach anywhere on the property. Sometimes i forget or don't care to carry. However the spouse and i both have at least 1 knife on us and or in vehicles.
There's the other train of thought YOU NEED TO CARRY 24/7! ! !. Great. Sometimes one cannot, or chooses not to. Fortunately we still have a right to make that choice.
No one says you need to carry 24/7. There are times we do, other we don't. Around the homestead ;) there's no need as rapid response is within arms reach anywhere on the property. Sometimes i forget or don't care to carry. However the spouse and i both have at least 1 knife on us and or in vehicles.
There's the other train of thought YOU NEED TO CARRY 24/7! ! !. Great. Sometimes one cannot, or chooses not to. Fortunately we still have a right to make that choice.
Oh, good. I've probably carried a grand total of maybe eight or ten hours total. Usually no more than two hours at a time. And mostly on weekends. Lol.
It is nice to have the option to carry when I want to but more often than not I choose to just leave it at home so I don't have to deal with it. Although, I do find myself taking it with me in the vehicle where I used to just leave the house without a handgun.
Oh, well. Probably going to be picking up a Ruger LCP to toss in my pocket. Might be more inclined to carry if I can just toss it in my pocket. And having a little 380 is better than a poke in the eye with a finger.
Let us know how you like that LCP. Have you fired one yet?
Let us know how you like that LCP. Have you fired one yet?
Haven't fired one yet. I hear the trigger is pretty bad. Lol.
Some folks do well with them. As for myself, I'd have better luck throwing it. And it just plain hurts my hand. Just can't seem to get a good grip on it.
But it fits in a front pocket so nicely.
Well, my Remora holster showed up today. They even threw in a free "accessory holder" which seems to do a decent job of holding a spare magazine.
Tried it in my front pocket but I still feel the 43 is a bit big for me to pocket carry. It does tuck in nicely for appendix carry and is soft and comfy. Not a having a clip on it is nice because it's one less part to print through my shirt.
The wife wants me to run an errand for her so I'll tuck it in and see how it works out.
The good thing about it is I am pretty sure several of my handguns will fit inside it nicely. Not all at the same time of course.
Great-Kazoo
07-25-2015, 20:03
But it fits in a front pocket so nicely.
It's not a fashion statement. it's about how the gun fits & feels in your hand. When carrying it and when shooting. So what if it's small. You need to run 2 rounds real fast and it jumps around in your hand, due to a shitty grip. You've put yourself in more danger than not carrying it. Any of those pocket pistols are shit (IMO) for a defensive gun. Again due to grip and fitment in my hand .
Hit a range where you can rent or borrow one, run off 2 - 3 mags and get back with us.
Take a breath GZ. Ray is just trying things out. It isn't like he is trying to zero his red dot. [Flower]
You've put yourself in more danger than not carrying it.
I'm going to have to politely disagree with you on this, Mr. Kazoo.
Hit a range where you can rent or borrow one, run off 2 - 3 mags and get back with us.
Probably a good idea. Maybe someone here has one they'd be willing to let me put a few rounds through.
It isn't like he is trying to zero his red dot. [Flower]
Now that's funny.
[LOL]
Great-Kazoo
07-25-2015, 21:34
It isn't like he is trying to zero his red dot. [Flower]
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.KDNn2rXYbnVLZuzfgDEkzw&pid=15.1&P=0
Maybe it's an issue with some mags he's heard about.
Glad to hear the Remora is positive so far. I didn't think you'd run out and buy it so soon after I suggested it.
Glad to hear the Remora is positive so far. I didn't think you'd run out and buy it so soon after I suggested it.
I'm still exploring my options until I get it figured out. Pretty sure I ordered it the same day you suggested it. Took forever for me to get it though. I've had custom ordered pieces arrive quicker. Lol.
hurley842002
07-27-2015, 22:32
Forgot about this little gem, it was originally for my Kahr CM9, but a little heat, and it's been re purposed for my G43. Very simple yet effective for just tucking in the waste. No bulk and protected trigger.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/27/70f6272bdc7fe88ed6504e9f1041d633.jpg
Update. Still loving my little 43 even though I seldom carry it. Picked up a big brother to compliment it. Hope to carry this during the cooler months in an OWB or maybe a shoulder holster. I don't feel under gunned with the 43 but there is definitely something about eleven rounds of 45ACP on tap that makes me feel pretty well armed.
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Bumping this up from the dead.
You guys all had some excellent advice.
I've been carrying my Glock 43 for the most part but have recently discovered that carrying something a bit bigger really isn't a huge deal. Been carrying a Glock 19 recently and I don't find it any less comfortable than carrying the little 43. In fact, I've been thinking about hunting down a Sig 228 or 229 and trying to carry that as I've always shot the Sigs very well. Expendable income has been a little tight around here lately. Trying to decide if I want to part ways with a couple of the Glocks to fund the Sig.
Thanks again for all of the great advice you guys have given me.
[Beer]
buffalobo
12-19-2015, 21:01
That 30S should carry almost as easy the 19. [Flower]
SIG P229 I've heard they make nice carry guns. [Coffee]
SIG P229 I've heard they make nice carry guns. [Coffee]
Yeah. I know one guy that swears by them. Pretty sure he has been carrying them for a couple of years too.
[Awesom]
That 30S should carry almost as easy the 19. [Flower]
Yeah. I parted ways with it already. Seems I'm in the minority of people who just aren't into the 45's.
buffalobo
12-19-2015, 21:21
Yeah. I parted ways with it already. Seems I'm in the minority of people who just aren't into the 45's.
Never owned one myself, shot a couple and it is high on my list of .45's
HoneyBadger
12-19-2015, 23:55
Yeah. I parted ways with it already. Seems I'm in the minority of people who just aren't into the 45's.
Nah. I'm not a fan of .45 at all for carrying.
Great-Kazoo
12-20-2015, 00:16
Bumping this up from the dead.
You guys all had some excellent advice.
I've been carrying my Glock 43 for the most part but have recently discovered that carrying something a bit bigger really isn't a huge deal. Been carrying a Glock 19 recently and I don't find it any less comfortable than carrying the little 43. In fact, I've been thinking about hunting down a Sig 228 or 229 and trying to carry that as I've always shot the Sigs very well. Expendable income has been a little tight around here lately. Trying to decide if I want to part ways with a couple of the Glocks to fund the Sig.
Thanks again for all of the great advice you guys have given me.
[Beer]
Put it on your wish list to try one of the Sig 320's. If the spouse wasn't that attached to her glocks, or had 3 carbines that use the same mags. The 320 would be the main go to gun.
The P320 is the striker fired version of the P250. I have Glocks, so I will pass on the P320. I do like the P250 and being able to easily swap the sub-compact into a full size for some range fun. The sub-compact is a very easy carry gun and the slide is the only part that picks up any surface rust on hot, sweaty days. It's also nice to have the ability to quickly swap into .380, 9mm, 357 SIG, or .45 ACP depending on what you want to shoot. Best of all, same trigger for any combination of size or caliber.
I played with a 250. Not a fan of that one.
I do agree that the 320 doesn't do much for me and if I want striker fire and polymer I'll just stick with my Glocks.
There's just something nice about a metal handgun so I'll be looking for a 228 or 229. Possibly a 239 or a 225 if I found a great deal on one.
hurley842002
12-20-2015, 12:17
I made my rounds with Sig via two 224's and a 228 (newer M11 version), ended up offloading them and sticking with my Glocks, with that said I'd really like to check out the 239.
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