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hollohas
05-01-2015, 09:41
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3064367/Baltimore-State-Attorney-says-criminal-charges-filed-against-officers-Gray-s-arrest-illegal-knife-carrying-lawful.html
Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr
1. Second degree depraved heart murder. Maximum sentence: 30 years
2. Manslaughter (involuntary). Ten years.
3. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
4. Manslaughter by vehicle (gross negligence). Ten years.
5. Manslaughter by vehicle (criminal negligence). Three years.
6. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
Officer William G. Porter
1. Manslaughter (involuntary. Ten years.
2. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
3. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
Lt Brian W. Rice
1. Manslaughter (involuntary). Ten years.
2. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
3. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
4. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
5. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
6. False imprisonment. At court's discretion.
Officer Edward M. Nero
1. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
2. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
3. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
4. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
5. False imprisonment. At court's discretion.
Officer Garret E. Miller
1. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
2. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
3. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
4. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
5. False imprisonment. At court's discretion.
Sgt Alicia D. White
1. Manslaughter (involuntary). Ten years.
2. Assault / second degree. Ten years.
3. Misconduct in office. At court's discretion.
Can't even make an arrest anymore without being brought up on charges. Can't imagine why anyone would want to be a cop in an inner city.
Couldn't pay me enough to be a policeman in todays world!
I wonder if they had an on-board video of the guy harming himself.
hollohas
05-01-2015, 10:07
The scope of charges sure is wide. Other than that I don't have additional comment them.
What I do have a comment on is an apparent MAJOR conflict of interest evolving the State Attorney Mosby. It's being reported the Gray's family attorney was her largest campaign donor last year. He also worked on Mosby's transition team and was her mentor.
They admit the lethal injury occurred in the van, with no one in the back that directly caused it. It's going to be hard to connect that to murder in the 2nd. Manslaughter through indifference, sure, but that's a lot of work too.
The bit about Gray committing no crime in the first place might be what pushes a juries emotional buttons. That fits the Leftist narrative that LE has a racial bias and criminalizes the behavior of black youths.
Daily Mail is a British tabloid like the National Enquirer. Got any other sources?
hollohas
05-01-2015, 10:14
I wonder if they had an on-board video of the guy harming himself.
You'd think a camera in the back of the wagon would be standard practice. But who knows...
RCCrawler
05-01-2015, 10:15
So did they just totally discount this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
hollohas
05-01-2015, 10:16
Daily Mail is a British tabloid like the National Enquirer. Got any other sources?
For the charges or the conflict of intrest? Every news agency is reporting the charges. Daily Mail does have a bunch of tabloid BS but they have also proved to be on the front end of just about every major news event this country has seen in the last couple years. It is a legitimate news agency unlike the National Enquirer. If i find another source regarding the conflict of interest, I will post it.
RCCrawler
05-01-2015, 10:22
Also read this on another site:
Freddy Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury and had severe damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate Insurance was paying him a large structured settlement. Freddy had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries, he most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested. Freddy should have been at home in bed resting and recovering from recent major operation instead of manufacturing and distributing drugs on the streets and resisting arrest. Freddy has a criminal record pages long for manufacturing and distributing controlled dangerous drugs that were cocaine crack heroine etc. along with many assault charges, gun charges, breaking and entering and the list goes on since he was 18 years old. (Juvenile records are sealed.) Look at some of this on www.mdjudiciarycasesearch (http://www.mdjudiciarycasesearch). You will also see where he was trying to cash in his monthly structured settlement for his spinal injury payments to one lump sum through Peachtree Funding, He could have easily fallen in the paddy wagon from the slippery bench to the floor or twisted his fused spine to reopen his recently fused damaged spine.
I'm not seeing any other sources reporting the charges on here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news
And every newspaper has been at the front of every major news event, because it's a major news event. The Daily Mail flatout lies about stuff all the time, and have been successfully sued for libel many times for it.
If you talk to a Briton, they aren't going to call it a legitimate news outlet.
hollohas
05-01-2015, 10:34
I'm not seeing any other sources reporting the charges on here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news
And every newspaper has been at the front of every major news event, because it's a major news event. The Daily Mail flatout lies about stuff all the time, and have been successfully sued for libel many times for it.
If you talk to a Briton, they aren't going to call it a legitimate news outlet.
You're going to come back with reddit as your legitimate source? Holy hell, you're killing me.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/01/charges-filed-against-police-officers-in-the-death-of-freddie-gray/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/01/many-questions-still-remain-in-death-freddie-gray/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-baltimore-death/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-police-charges/index.html
Shall I provide more?
Oh, and here's another source reporting the State Attorney received campaign contributions from the family attorney.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-mosby-20150501-story.html#page=1
But the 35-year-old prosecutor also pledged during her 2014 campaign to prosecute officers when needed, saying, "No one is above the law."
At the same time, Mosby's political life is complicated. She has ties to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr.; he donated $5,000 to her campaign and served on her transition committee.
The scope of charges sure is wide. Other than that I don't have additional comment them.
What I do have a comment on is an apparent MAJOR conflict of interest evolving the State Attorney Mosby. It's being reported the Gray's family attorney was her largest campaign donor last year. He also worked on Mosby's transition team and was her mentor.
She is also the wife of Nick Mosby, a member of the Baltimore City Council who represents the West Baltimore neighborhood where Gray was arrested.
hollohas
05-01-2015, 10:45
For Mr. Skeptical
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Kraven251
05-01-2015, 10:48
Innocent until proven guilty. Though with that fishing net of charges something will probably stick. Be an instant appeal due to conflict of interest, but 6 careers will be tarnished or destroyed. Only take away on this is lock em in and strap them down.
Ranger353
05-01-2015, 10:54
Like I always tell people, "shit happens everyday, make sure you aren't in its way because it don't care who you are, it's stick on you like everyone else."
How long til we just see all police officers resigning from these areas? It seems that dealing with the scum eventually puts you in the spotlight.
lostcolorado
05-01-2015, 11:07
Denver's Baltimore Uprising Solidarity March Attacked by Police
https://vimeo.com/126535599?fb_action_ids=10153242416172552&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B675530819224052%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D (https://vimeo.com/126535599?fb_action_ids=10153242416172552&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B675530819224052%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)
Sorry a little off topic, but the riot thread is closed.
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KestrelBike
05-01-2015, 11:09
Also read this on another site:
That is huge if true. Was his toxicology report clean? Was it even released?
stoner01
05-01-2015, 11:14
(https://vimeo.com/unicornriot)
Denver's Baltimore Uprising Solidarity March Attacked by Police
https://vimeo.com/126535599?fb_action_ids=10153242416172552&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B675530819224052%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D (https://vimeo.com/126535599?fb_action_ids=10153242416172552&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B675530819224052%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)
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DPD has has plenty of practice in how to deal with these types.
Innocent until proven guilty. Though with that fishing net of charges something will probably stick. Be an instant appeal due to conflict of interest, but 6 careers will be tarnished or destroyed. Only take away on this is lock em in and strap them down.
Careers tarnished? They're going to wish it was limited to that when this is all said and done. Look at Wilson's fate, and he all that evidence to justify force (self defense). Here you have the leadership, via the attorney, saying they had no reason to arrest and knowingly committed acts that lead to his demise without justification.
If gray was still kicking and wailing, I wouldn't want to get kicked in the face strapping him down either. I know he was a national treasure and all but not worth losing two front teeth.
So.....
When it is the cop getting off...... We don't know all the details and exigent circumstances.
When an independent report comes in and the cops are held accountable so they get their day in court (more than what Fred got)...... Cops threaten to quit...... Don't know why anybody would be a cop....System is rigged with corrupt DA....he was already hurt Etc.
and you guys wonder why people don't trust cops. For anybody threatening to quit...... You should. You are the problem. If you were on the good cops side, you would be saying the process worked. The thin-blue-line has to be dismanteled. Protect and Serve does not mean "protect your own" and "serve yourself to whatever treatment of those under you seems fine at the time". At least some of those "cops" were the only THUGs in this whole debacle.
This was simple from the start. Man is in protective custody.... ANYTHING that happens to him after that is a cops fault since you have removed that persons abilty to act on their own by design. Much less the FACT that this has already been declared a bad stop due to no probable cause.
BTW: I am not pointing to the guilt or innocence of any of them. I don't know that yet and it is up to a jury but at least these cops will see a jury. Somebody messed up though.
Does it matter if the stop was bad to start with?
That is huge if true. Was his toxicology report clean? Was it even released?
Arrest warrants were issued today. That is a long way from a trial or a conviction.
I predict one or two of these cases will never go to trial, for several reasons.
Not everything that happens to a person while in police custody is the responsibility of the officers.
If you are not prepared to do the right thing and take responsibility for your actions, law enforcement is probably a bad career choice.
Seriously..... spot on. I am glad you are out there.
If you are not prepared to do the right thing and take responsibility for your actions, law enforcement is probably a bad career choice.
most likely they won't find them guilty on the worst charges, there just doesn't seem to be evidence, yet, that they acted with malice. possibly negligence, and they will likely get something for that, but i wouldn't guess much more.
Denver's Baltimore Uprising Solidarity March Attacked by Police
https://vimeo.com/126535599?fb_action_ids=10153242416172552&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B675530819224052%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D (https://vimeo.com/126535599?fb_action_ids=10153242416172552&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B675530819224052%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)
Sorry a little off topic, but the riot thread is closed.
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Millennial generation.....DPD handled that well. Better than I ever would.
Baltimore will burn just like LA did.. only this time it'll be planned through social media and outside influence.
Doing the right thing is never as easy as some people would have you believe.
For one thing, not everyone agrees on what the right thing in any given situation is the same thing. Even the clear letter of the law is not as clear as some would have you believe. If the law was clear, lawyers and judges would rarely be needed. Terms like "common sense," "reasonable person standard," and "greater good" are subject to nuance and interpretation. Sometimes things really do come down to trying to figure out what the meaning of the word "is" is, in the context with which it is used.
I am glad the standard of the profession is not perfection. It is hard enough on my ego knowing how often I get it wrong on a daily basis.
Be safe.
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2015, 12:12
Freddie Gray Investigation: Six Cops Charged in His Death
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/freddie-gray-n351881 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/freddie-gray-n351881)
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I've been lurking for a bit on this one trying to make sense of it. The one thing that keeps popping into my head is " When did it become illegal to run?" Furthermore, if Freddie Gray did have a knife and it was legal ( how many of us carry knives?), why was he detained? It seems that these two questions above else perplex me. This whole subject line about people's jobs being tough is lost on me. A lot of people have tough jobs. If you don't like it or are having a hard time dealing with the stresses.....quit. We have a whole lot of honorable guys and gals on this board in Law Enforcement. That doesn't mean everyone else works to the same standard. Their reputation shouldn't be stained by a mere few. I and am sure many others have witnessed abuses by people in uniform. Hell, I've been out having drinks with a few and seen professional courtesy taken too far. Most of us think that constitutional carry should be legal yet there is wailing about someone having a legal knife in their pocket? At best it seems hypocritical.
1. It is not illegal to run from the police. Not everyone who runs, does so because they see the police.
BUT without knowing what the police knew at the time they first observed the subject running, it is impossible to determine whether the police chased the subject solely because they were running. There are a multitude of possible reasons why the police would chase a subject after they run.
2. If the knife was legal in Baltimore AND the legality of the knife was obvious (some statutes and some knives are not always as clear cut as they should be), the arrest would be illegal. I believe that is the reason two of the officers have been charged with false imprisonment.
As with all of the charges, a jury of their peers will need to determine whether the prosecutor can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officers are guilty of violating the statutes. It is a pretty high burden for the prosecutor and IMO rightfully so.
1. It is not illegal to run from the police. Not everyone who runs, does so because they see the police.
BUT without knowing what the police knew at the time they first observed the subject running, it is impossible to determine whether the police chased the subject solely because they were running. There are a multitude of possible reasons why the police would chase a subject after they run.
2. If the knife was legal in Baltimore AND the legality of the knife was obvious (some statutes and some knives are not always as clear cut as they should be), the arrest would be illegal. I believe that is the reason two of the officers have been charged with false imprisonment.
As with all of the charges, a jury of their peers will need to determine whether the prosecutor can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officers are guilty of violating the statutes. It is a pretty high burden for the prosecutor and IMO rightfully so.
Thanks Cstone
From: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/01/baltimore-state-attorney-files-charges-against-six-officers-including-murder-and-manslaughter/
It’s simple. Marilyn Mosby lied. Freddie Gray had an active warrant for his arrest outstanding:
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/baltimore-active-warrant.jpg?w=640 (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/baltimore-active-warrant.jpg)
Please don't answer the questions on the board.
Has anyone reading this ever been charged with Failure to Provide Proof of Insurance?
If the answer is "yes" the next question is;
Has anyone ever been convicted of that charge?
Just being charged with a crime is a far sight from a conviction. Charges may be added and they may be dropped, all the way up until the day the trial begins and charges may be dismissed after the trial begins and before the jury begins to deliberate.
While I understand the work that goes into criminal trials and realize how difficult the preparation and trial (if/when) it happens will be on the community, families of those involved and the defendants...public trials are one of the best ways for releasing investigative information into the public record.
What we hear today may prove to be irrelevant to the case that is actually tried.
From: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/01/baltimore-state-attorney-files-charges-against-six-officers-including-murder-and-manslaughter/
It’s simple. Marilyn Mosby lied. Freddie Gray had an active warrant for his arrest outstanding:
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/baltimore-active-warrant.jpg?w=640 (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/baltimore-active-warrant.jpg)
I'm sure this will come out Davsel. She is from a long line of law enforcement ( 5 generations I think ) so it's a little hard to believe that as a States Attorney she would openly lie to bring charges. Doing so would would likely torpedo her career quickly. There is another thing to consider, how would the officers know that he had a warrent from just looking at him? I am gonna sit back and try to watch this from a factual standpoint. It looks like his court date was scheduled on 6/23/15. I don't think this case is about the defendants past as much it's about what occurred during the chain of events leading up to his arrest and detainment. I also think she should be looking to prosecute any and all who destroyed property during the riots. That behavior can never be tolerated.
Officers who are familiar with their beat will know many of the residents and should have an idea on who does and who does not have active warrants.
Failure to Appear warrants are pretty common among the residents on some beats.
I have no idea what the officers knew when they saw the deceased run.
Sometimes the dog chases the rabbit just because he is a dog and the rabbit is running.
hollohas
05-01-2015, 15:11
Just being charged with a crime is a far sight from a conviction. Charges may be added and they may be dropped, all the way up until the day the trial begins and charges may be dismissed after the trial begins and before the jury begins to deliberate.
You are absolutely correct. Charges can be dropped but IMO that's what just made this situation even more complicated. What if...some or all of the charges are dropped? For any of the officers? IMO that seems fairly likely considering right now the charges seem like a bit of a reach. But, like you said, we'll have to wait and see on that.
So for now she appeased the masses. However, I believe she better be absolutely damn sure that her case has enough evidence because if not she just opened hornets nest. Can you imagine the riots if the the charges get dropped? Even for just one of the officers?
The Supreme Court, and Maryland Courts have ruled that an unprovoked flight (running) is grounds for suspicion that a crime has been committed, and makes it legal for the cops to give chase, and stop you. Since this happened in a high crime area, the cops had all the right according to Maryland law to chase him, stop him for questioning, and to frisk him... without more though, there can't be an arrest. However, the guy had a pocket knife on him, and that was the charge that all of this has happened on, the knife he was carrying was said to be a switchblade "spring assisted knife" which is illegal.
So, the guy saw the cops and ran... cops gave chase, stopped him, frisked him and found the knife, and decided to take him in on the knife charge. The rest is now in the news-ish... Still need to figure out when the neck break happened.
Also
Here are screen shots of the arresting documents:
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Full docs can be found here: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-charging-documents-for-freddie-gray-20150420-htmlstory.html
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2015, 16:30
I'm sure this will come out Davsel. She is from a long line of law enforcement ( 5 generations I think ) so it's a little hard to believe that as a States Attorney she would openly lie to bring charges. Doing so would would likely torpedo her career quickly. There is another thing to consider, how would the officers know that he had a warrent from just looking at him? I am gonna sit back and try to watch this from a factual standpoint. It looks like his court date was scheduled on 6/23/15. I don't think this case is about the defendants past as much it's about what occurred during the chain of events leading up to his arrest and detainment. I also think she should be looking to prosecute any and all who destroyed property during the riots. That behavior can never be tolerated.
Still looking for the link to story i read this afternoon regarding attorney for the grey family and his election $$ contributions , among other tie ins to Mosby.
Not saying there is anything regarding her conviction as the State Attorney, especially with that long a line in the family. However it's those behind the scenes area, as with anything that might raise questions.
IMO, her list of charges was done to have the ability to readjust the final charge as necessary, to prove "Beyond A reasonable Doubt" Perhaps learning from the Zimmerman Acquittal. Had the DA in that one sought a lesser charge of manslaughter, (Again IMO) Zimmerman would have served time. The push for Murder put the burden of proof on the state, which it failed to do.
In other news. The Policy's of the BPD reflects on it's higher ups / politics. Having a D run city for some time, they (politicians) are scrambling to CYA. Not to mention Al Charlatan has now become the spokesman for her honor da mayor.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/al-sharpton-called-baltimore-mayor-002445098.html
hollohas
05-01-2015, 16:53
Still looking for the link to story i read this afternoon regarding attorney for the grey family and his election $$ contributions , among other tie ins to Mosby.
Here's at least one that I posted earlier.
Oh, and here's another source reporting the State Attorney received campaign contributions from the family attorney.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-mosby-20150501-story.html#page=1
Here's another. But don't tell Ridge, he thinks this is no more true than a farmer's daughter having space alien babies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3063807/Baltimores-prosecutor-faces-big-test-4-months-job.html
A Baltimore police organization called for the chief prosecutor to step down from the Freddie Gray investigation on Friday because of her political links to the lawyer representing the dead man's family....
... Signed by the organization's president, Gene Ryan, the letter read: 'While I have the utmost respect for you and your office, I have very deep concerns about the many conflicts of interest presented by your office conducting an investigation in this case.'
The Gray family lawyer, Billy Murphy, was a big campaign donor to Marilyn Mosby last year when she ran for State's Attorney, donating the maximum individual amount allowed, $4,000, in June. Murphy was also on Mosby's transition team after the election and has been described as a 'mentor' to her.
The Supreme Court, and Maryland Courts have ruled that an unprovoked flight (running) is grounds for suspicion that a crime has been committed, and makes it legal for the cops to give chase, and stop you. Since this happened in a high crime area, the cops had all the right according to Maryland law to chase him, stop him for questioning, and to frisk him... without more though, there can't be an arrest. However, the guy had a pocket knife on him, and that was the charge that all of this has happened on, the knife he was carrying was said to be a switchblade "spring assisted knife" which is illegal.
So, the guy saw the cops and ran... cops gave chase, stopped him, frisked him and found the knife, and decided to take him in on the knife charge. The rest is now in the news-ish... Still need to figure out when the neck break happened.
Also
I think this was part of the problem. As it was stated, it was a utility knife which was legal, not a switchblade. It appears there were some inconsistencies with what was reported and what actually happened. I think the idea of him breaking his own neck while hog tied raised some doubts as well. Oh well, it's hard to ever know what actually happened with the varying media outlets. Hopefully justice will prevail in any case.
Still looking for the link to story i read this afternoon regarding attorney for the grey family and his election $$ contributions , among other tie ins to Mosby.
Not saying there is anything regarding her conviction as the State Attorney, especially with that long a line in the family. However it's those behind the scenes area, as with anything that might raise questions.
IMO, her list of charges was done to have the ability to readjust the final charge as necessary, to prove "Beyond A reasonable Doubt" Perhaps learning from the Zimmerman Acquittal. Had the DA in that one sought a lesser charge of manslaughter, (Again IMO) Zimmerman would have served time. The push for Murder put the burden of proof on the state, which it failed to do.
In other news. The Policy's of the BPD reflects on it's higher ups / politics. Having a D run city for some time, they (politicians) are scrambling to CYA. Not to mention Al Charlatan has now become the spokesman for her honor da mayor.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/al-sharpton-called-baltimore-mayor-002445098.html
Well put. She maybe aiming high on charges hoping for a middle ground. The severity of the charges may also get them to roll on eachother for a deal. Crappy situation all the way around. No winners here.
But don't tell Ridge, he thinks this is no more true than a farmer's daughter having space alien babies.
National Enquirer broke the story about John Edwards cheating on his wife. Does that mean they have graduated to being reliable?
And I didn't present Reddit as a source. Reddit doesn't publish anything. What they ARE, however, is a place where the tens of millions of users can post news articles as a big clearing house, a one stop shop for all news articles. I'm sorry I made you so upset by saying your questionable source was questionable.
Has anybody else gotten the weird feeling of life imitating art ? This feels like "The Wire" ( Greatest series ever )
Aloha_Shooter
05-01-2015, 18:39
Oh c'mon Ridge. You presented reddit as if the fact you couldn't find this story on reddit meant it was questionable. That's just freaking laughable.
As far as the charges go, I'm keeping an open mind about the cop possibly having done something wrong -- there was a question this morning about an additional stop by the van that hadn't been reported -- but the charges being brought the way they were and as fast as they were and the mayor's prejudicial comments about three black women getting justice were definitely pure racist politics. I will give great credit to Baltimore cops for going out and doing their job tonight and tomorrow after being hung out to dry like this.
What I do have a comment on is an apparent MAJOR conflict of interest evolving the State Attorney Mosby. It's being reported the Gray's family attorney was her largest campaign donor last year. He also worked on Mosby's transition team and was her mentor.
How is the donation a MAJOR conflict exactly? It was only four, or five thousand dollars (depending on which source you provided). So... she can't be involved in anything if it concerns one of the thousands of people that could have donated to her? What if someone donated $20? Would that be an amount to question? This argument seems petty, and just one to try to throw a wrench in the plans. It reminds me of the deflated football thing... Also, where does it say that the attorney was the largest donor? Was the attorney the only person to give the limit amount of four, or five thousand?
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2015, 18:42
Has anybody else gotten the weird feeling of life imitating art ? This feels like "The Wire" ( Greatest series ever )
Instead of OMARS COMING it's SHARPTONS COMING.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/al-sharpton-fox-news-reporter-push-baltimore_n_7183792.html
What's going to kick them in the ass, is if RMAC is right about the knife in question was actually legal to carry... If it was, the cops are fucked in a major way. Also, there are too many conflicting stories going on right now to try to get a real grasp of everything. I think we need to find out if the knife in question was really deserving of his treatment, and where the break of the neck happened (when). If it happened in the truck, they have a possibility of getting out of it... so I can see how they would want the story to go that way. All they would have to say is that the injury was caused on accident, and everyone gets a slap on the wrist. Still though, what was the actual knife? A switch blade as written or something similar, or something legal? Someone have something pointing to this?
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2015, 18:59
What's going to kick them in the ass, is if RMAC is right about the knife in question was actually legal to carry... If it was, the cops are fucked in a major way. Also, there are too many conflicting stories going on right now to try to get a real grasp of everything. I think we need to find out if the knife in question was really deserving of his treatment, and where the break of the neck happened (when). If it happened in the truck, they have a possibility of getting out of it... so I can see how they would want the story to go that way. All they would have to say is that the injury was caused on accident, and everyone gets a slap on the wrist. Still though, what was the actual knife? A switch blade as written or something similar, or something legal? Someone have something pointing to this?
The Officers in question have admitted he was not properly secured in the vehicle. HOWEVER until the FACTS are presented no one can say for sure how the indicent happened from step 1.
Either way, between the media, public and political lynch mob, none of them has a good chance of walking away scott free. Not to mention the "lone gunman" who still believe Saint Swisher was innocent and the war on LE's must go on.
Instead of OMARS COMING it's SHARPTONS COMING.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/al-sharpton-fox-news-reporter-push-baltimore_n_7183792.html
Omar would be way better. Omar going after Sharpton would be epic. I can hear him whistling.
What's going to kick them in the ass, is if RMAC is right about the knife in question was actually legal to carry... If it was, the cops are fucked in a major way. Also, there are too many conflicting stories going on right now to try to get a real grasp of everything. I think we need to find out if the knife in question was really deserving of his treatment, and where the break of the neck happened (when). If it happened in the truck, they have a possibility of getting out of it... so I can see how they would want the story to go that way. All they would have to say is that the injury was caused on accident, and everyone gets a slap on the wrist. Still though, what was the actual knife? A switch blade as written or something similar, or something legal? Someone have something pointing to this?
Just going on what the States Attorney stated as part of the charges. She said it was a lawful knife.
Running from LEO w/ pre existing spinal injury is just stupid. I am speechless on this.
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2015, 23:09
Running from LEO w/ pre existing spinal injury is just stupid. I am speechless on this.
Yes it is, especially when you have such an exemplary record like he did. The Only + out of this is it was POC LE's who handled the former BmMo resident. The media is flummoxed as is every other race baiting "Civil Rights" antagonist. How can you say it was Out of Control Racist White cops, when the "pictures" show who they really are. The LE who was under medical care and firearms removed, someone will be shredding documents over that. Combined with a majority POC city council / DA etc. be very interesting how the new DOJ spins this. Doubt there's enough beer and room at the white house to fix this one.
From: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/02/update-the-curious-case-of-freddie-grays-transport-van-companion-baltimore-prosecutor-marilyn-mosby-manipulating-the-media/#more-100291
On April 29th the Washington Post ran an explosive article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw)highlighting information from a passenger who was inside the transport vehicle at the same time Freddie Gray was driven toward central booking. According to the Washington Post source: Freddie Gray was intentionally “trying to injure himself (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw)“.
On April 30th local Baltimore media outlet WBAL-TV introduced Donta Allen (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/second-man-in-police-transport-van-speaks-out/32669692), a person they claimed was the passenger in the transport vehicle.
However, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON.
Our research indicates the office of Baltimore State Attorney, Marilyn Mosby, used or allowed one of her deputy State Attorneys, Janice Bledsoe (who was in charge of the investigation as assigned by Marilyn Mosby), to willfully and intentionally place a false story using Bledsoe’s lover, WBAL-TV reporter Jayne Miller, and thereby create a fictitious story to imply Donta Allen as the passenger outlined in the Washington Post story.
Yes, you read that correctly.
That is why despite Donta saying he was arrested (04/12 during the transport to central booking) there is no record for his arrival or arrest. He is playing a role and selling a story that benefits his community and those who would pressure him, ergo himself.
The actual witness to Freddie Gray’s activity while en-route to the booking facility is the 38-year-old Black Male arrested on 4/12/15 for charges of violating a protective order – and accurately outlined in the original Washington Post article.
Bailey Guns
05-02-2015, 16:50
I've read from other sources the "pre-existing spinal injury" claim was false and was instead related to a settlement Gray received from injuries he got from a lead-based paint claim.
This one is so convoluted I don't know who, or what, to believe.
Running from LEO w/ pre existing spinal injury is just stupid. I am speechless on this.
I've read from other sources the "pre-existing spinal injury" claim was false and was instead related to a settlement Gray received from injuries he got from a lead-based paint claim.
This one is so convoluted I don't know who, or what, to believe.
Bailey sums it up... at this point with all the bullshit thrown out there, who knows what to believe? I also read that the pre-existing spinal cord injury was a fake claim. We aren't going to know what's the truth at this point till it goes to court. Too many people are trying to distort this whole thing now, truth be damned..... It's a wait and see thing now.
What's important, is that all the facts are not known, and that makes it perfectly acceptable to riot and burn the place to the ground.
Funny, the British felt the same way about the Boston Tea Party..... Sarcasm aside.
What's important, is that all the facts are not known, and that makes it perfectly acceptable to riot and burn the place to the ground.
I've read from other sources the "pre-existing spinal injury" claim was false and was instead related to a settlement Gray received from injuries he got from a lead-based paint claim.
This one is so convoluted I don't know who, or what, to believe.
Valid point.
What's important, is that all the facts are not known, and that makes it perfectly acceptable to riot and burn the place to the ground.
Never acceptable. They should be charged and thrown in jail. There are too many good cops and citizens to have the inmates run the asylum.
If Gray had recently had spinal fusion surgery, and had previous fusions as reported, running for any reason was stupid. He could have been chased down by an old woman.
Baltimore will burn just like LA did.. only this time it'll be planned through social media and outside influence.
This!
There was a guy on Hannity the other day who discussed the issue with the Rodney King case and how this will probably turn out similar... Overcharging. I imagine none of the officers will be convicted of murder and the people in this country who want "no justice, no peace" will riot, again. I find it somewhat laughable (under better circumstances) all the cries about racism when the mayor, the DA, the chief of police, and even a few of the officers involved in this mess are all black. What is that saying about the people crying racism?
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