View Full Version : 2 people shot outside of Texas Muhammed Cartoon contest event..
Waiting on names, details and so on.. If this turns out to be an islamic fueled hit how will the feds spin it?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html
"Two people were shot and killed by police outside of an event billed as the "Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest" in Garland, Texas, Sunday night, according to Garland Mayor Douglas Athas.According to the City of Garland Facebook's page, "two males drove up to the front of the building in a car," as the event was coming to an end. "Both males were armed and began shooting at a Garland ... security officer. Garland Police officers engaged the gunmen, who were both shot and killed. "
Athas said the security guard was shot in the leg and transported to a local hospital. His condition is unknown.
CNN producer Chris Lett, who was covering the event, said there were about 40 people gathered when police announced there had been a shooting.
Authorities are investigating whether explosives were involved.
"Police suspect the vehicle may contain an incendiary device and the bomb squad is on the scene," according to Garland Facebook's page.
The event, sponsored by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, claimed to have received "over 350 submissions of Muhammad cartoons from all over the world."
Athas told CNN that there was a significant police presence at the exhibit and that it was "secured event."
A law enforcement official told CNN that the FBI is monitoring the incident and stands ready to assist should the need arise."
Great. More racist police shooting people unnecessarily. [Sarcasm2]
Watching now on tv. Waiting for details to come out. Crazy. Hard to think it's not tied to ISIS/Islam but we will see.
Well, if I remember correctly, we were expecting this. Sounds like it went well. Not sure if this will bring greater retaliation or not.
GilpinGuy
05-03-2015, 20:38
Yep - they came like flies to shit, didn't they?
BushMasterBoy
05-03-2015, 20:52
Yeah , Texas ain't like France...
57852
Officer recovering, bad guys down... Sounds like a happy ending!
I just heard the officer has been released... America-2, Jihadis-0!
onebadfx4
05-03-2015, 22:50
Just like Texans to try and draw a few extremists out of hiding. LOL
I hope more arrest of terrorists will follow from 2 dead suspects.
Honey Badger282.8
05-03-2015, 23:44
Just like Texans to try and draw a few extremists out of hiding. LOL
Lol, the event was put on by a New York organization with a Dutch keynote speaker.
...and they didn't hold the event in NY or Holland.
RblDiver
05-04-2015, 00:33
If this turns out to be an islamic fueled hit how will the feds spin it?
"Crazy right-wing nutjobs engage in vile acts, provoking poor undocumented people who just need jobs."
Seems like these need to be held every weekend all over the country!
Mick-Boy
05-04-2015, 05:12
Baited ambush.. Well played Garland PD. Well played.
They must of forgot that they were not in France,
Yep, Jihadis. One of the dead perps has been investigated previously and Feds are going through his apartment in Phoenix.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fbi-searches-phoenix-home-in-texas-muhammad-shooting-probe/ar-BBj8atJ
ABC News cites a senior FBI official in reporting that one of the gunmen, a resident of the Phoenix apartment, was known to authorities and was the subject of an investigation. The ABC report says the man was convicted five years ago of lying to federal agents about plans to travel to Africa, in an apparent attempt to join a terror group there.
Heard on the news this morning that the host of the event paid $10k for additional police protection for the event. Kudos for the prompt action of the PD shutting these guys down.
They must of forgot that they were not in France,
The ISIS land nav course must really suck!
SamuraiCO
05-04-2015, 08:17
Interesting how the left were is support of the Hebdo article because it was one of their own. Hypocrisy much?
Great-Kazoo
05-04-2015, 08:26
We got off this time. Perhaps the next incident will be a car packed with flammables and or explosives. This deal isn't the last we will see of "Isolated incidents done by extremist, which doesn't reflect the true nature of Islam" as our CIC has said before.
https://gma.yahoo.com/official-one-texas-shooting-suspects-ided-111112719--abc-news-topstories.html
Followers of ISIS had been sending messages about the event in Texas for more than a week, calling for attacks. One referenced January's Charlie Hebdo massacre (http://abcnews.go.com/International/aqap-terror-group-claiming-charlie-hebdo-attack/story?id=28223532) in France (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/france.htm) and said it was time for "brothers" in the United States to do their part.
Simpson was well known to the FBI. Five years ago he was convicted for lying to federal agents about his plans to travel to Africa where investigators alleged he planned to join a terror group.
The investigation in Simpson reached back to July 2007, when Simpson was recorded said of fighting with Islamists, “I know we can do it, man. But you got to find the right people that… Gotta have connects.”
Despite that and other recordings, a judge ruled the government did not adequately prove he was going to join a terror group and Simpson was sentenced to three years’ probation for lying to investigators.
It's rather humorous how Judges and "politicians" feel these are isolated incidences / workplace violence and not terrorism. YET a veteran goes to a physician due to an issue they experienced overseas OR at home and their right to own a firearm is taken away. AND like CA & NY put on a firearms watch list . Go Figure.
Honey Badger282.8
05-04-2015, 08:53
...and they didn't hold the event in NY or Holland.
Correct. The venue and location was chosen because it held a pro-Islam function a few months earlier.
Either way, I love a happy ending.
If all we have to do is have "art contests" and they will come to us - then this is going to be fucking easy.
I will soon be sponsoring an art exhibition/cartoon contest/NFA/machine gun shoot. Proceeds will be donated to the Wounded Warrior Foundation (or some other such worthy cause).
Details to follow.
#playStupidGamesWinStupidPrizes (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/playstupidgameswinstupidprizes?source=feed_text&story_id=1146955588663412)
Baited ambush.. Well played Garland PD. Well played.
Baiting isn't illegal in Texas is it? :p
They were playing Cowboys and Muslims.
They were playing Cowboys and Muslims.
Beat me to it [Beer]
It's what we all knew would happen. Guess they didn't get the memo about texas and guns..
If all we have to do is have "art contests" and they will come to us - then this is going to be fucking easy.
[Awesom]
It's what we all knew would happen. Guess they didn't get the memo about texas and guns..
http://youtu.be/_ZROC380sgY?t=2m20s
wctriumph
05-04-2015, 09:59
Yep, kind of thought this might happen. I was hoping for a peaceful protest with stupid signs and such but, this proves where the islamist mind is truly at. And that they are right here in the USA. More to come I am sure.
A bit off topic, but why are none of the SWAT guys wearing helmets? They all have shit loads of gear and cool hats, but would a brain bucket be prudent when your pretty sure there will be a shoot out?
So who won the Art Contest?
Nothing to see here, move along... Move along. Just cops doing what they do best ;).
Protecting a serving.... Great job.
So who won the Art Contest?
SWAT
Rucker61
05-04-2015, 10:44
So who won the Art Contest?
The sidewalk chalk outline artist.
The sidewalk chalk outline artist.
WINNER!!!
SWAT
Looks like a Traffic cop shot both of the guys.
If all we have to do is have "art contests" and they will come to us - then this is going to be fucking easy.
I will soon be sponsoring an art exhibition/cartoon contest/NFA/machine gun shoot. Proceeds will be donated to the Wounded Warrior Foundation (or some other such worthy cause).
Details to follow.
#playStupidGamesWinStupidPrizes (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/playstupidgameswinstupidprizes?source=feed_text&story_id=1146955588663412)
Wouldn't be surprised if AR Manufacturers started organizing these "contests."
Could make a killing.
Zundfolge
05-04-2015, 16:08
If ISIS thinks its going to be easy launching attacks on Texas (possibly from their camp outside Jaurez)
https://fedgeno.com/meme-generator/uploads/49.png
They're gonna have a bad time.
sellersm
05-04-2015, 17:14
Baited ambush.. Well played Garland PD. Well played.
My brother's place of employment. They don't take crap and don't mess around...
Pamela Geller's organization sponsored the event. Here's her response: http://pamelageller.com/2015/05/shooting-possible-bomb-at-afdijihad-watch-free-speech-event-in-texas.html/
This is a war. This is war on free speech. What are we going to do? Are we going to surrender to these monsters?
Two men with rifles and backpacks attacked police outside our event. A cop was shot; his injuries are not life-threatening, thank Gd. Please keep him in your prayers.
The bomb squad has been called to the event site to investigate a backpack left at the event site.
The war is here.
Aloha_Shooter
05-04-2015, 17:43
My brother's place of employment. They don't take crap and don't mess around...
I guess not. Word I heard over the radio was the officer who did the shooting -- revolver versus semi-automatic rifle -- was normally a traffic cop. Damn fine shooting for any cop much less one who usually works traffic ...
HoneyBadger
05-04-2015, 18:27
What kind of weapons did that BGs have?
GilpinGuy
05-04-2015, 18:40
The winner:
57881
Great-Kazoo
05-04-2015, 18:55
What kind of weapons did that BGs have?
Ones purchased from a gun show or over the internet where no background check was needed. Where else
What kind of weapons did that BGs have?
Ak from one source. AR from another. Shotty from a third and handguns from a fourth...
So we'll just ban them all... [Sarcasm2]
blacklabel
05-04-2015, 19:08
Ak from one source. AR from another. Shotty from a third and handguns from a fourth...
So we'll just ban them all... [Sarcasm2]
All made by Glock.
kidicarus13
05-04-2015, 21:00
What kind of weapons did that BGs have?
Looks like an AR with an evil Sig brace. I bet the shooter even shouldered it!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/04/0af1aa1cf5111eee6f37db7c842a8d00.jpg
Zundfolge
05-04-2015, 21:11
All the stories I've read have said they had AKs
That pic looks more like a keltec sub2000 or maybe one of those stripped down AK's. (Dont forget they have those "braces" for them too.)
hurley842002
05-04-2015, 21:44
Looks like an AR with an evil Sig brace. I bet the shooter even shouldered it!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/04/0af1aa1cf5111eee6f37db7c842a8d00.jpg
As long as he got clarification from the ATF, he should be good.....
mtnrider
05-04-2015, 21:52
That is a kel tec sub2000 for sure. ... But I am sure the media will label it a AK/AR.
Goodburbon
05-04-2015, 22:52
I lost the remote for a few minutes and it was stuck on MSNBC. Mine Gott in heben....The entire commentary I heard was not on how crazy muslims are crazy. It was on how provocative the provactive conservaitve provocateurs were for putting on such a provocative event. Quite clear whose side they were on.
How's this for a headline? After Texas shooting: If free speech is provocative, should there be limits? (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-texas-shooting-if-free-speech-is-provocative-should-there-be-limits/ar-BBjb6Mp)
Provaocative to whom? Is it really "free speech" if you can't offend anyone? Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out the slippery slope here.
Screw you, lamestream media! Life's tough. Get a friggin' helmet.
Great-Kazoo
05-04-2015, 23:41
How's this for a headline? After Texas shooting: If free speech is provocative, should there be limits? (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-texas-shooting-if-free-speech-is-provocative-should-there-be-limits/ar-BBjb6Mp)
Provaocative to whom? Is it really "free speech" if you can't offend anyone? Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out the slippery slope here.
Screw you, lamestream media! Life's tough. Get a friggin' helmet.
The comments are not what i suspect msn was looking for.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/04/20/284F139500000578-3067689-image-m-30_1430768089004.jpg
GilpinGuy
05-05-2015, 02:49
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/04/20/284F139500000578-3067689-image-m-30_1430768089004.jpg
She might be doable based on the rear view, but the hand on the hip stance implies "bitch in charge". The dude on the left seems either interested in her frontal assets or thinking "what a biaaaatch". Maybe both.
The comments are not what i suspect msn was looking for.
I can't get the comments to actually open, but I'd love to see them.
IS claims US Prophet cartoon attack (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/is-claims-us-prophet-cartoon-attack/ar-BBjc49H)
Islamic State (IS) has said that it was behind the attack on a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in the US state of Texas.
It said that "two soldiers of the caliphate" carried out the attack at a conference centre near Dallas.
I lost the remote for a few minutes and it was stuck on MSNBC. Mine Gott in heben....The entire commentary I heard was not on how crazy muslims are crazy. It was on how provocative the provactive conservaitve provocateurs were for putting on such a provocative event. Quite clear whose side they were on.
Yet a girl struts around Harlem in a provocative outfit and men are evil for looking.
How's this for a headline? After Texas shooting: If free speech is provocative, should there be limits? (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-texas-shooting-if-free-speech-is-provocative-should-there-be-limits/ar-BBjb6Mp)
Provaocative to whom? Is it really "free speech" if you can't offend anyone? Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out the slippery slope here.
Screw you, lamestream media! Life's tough. Get a friggin' helmet.
I think the subtext here is you're not allowed to offend any of the Democrat alliance/identity groups. Islam is in that mix.
Just like you have a natural right to defend yourself. Unless you're white and the attacker is a "POC."
but the hand on the hip stance implies "bitch in charge".
That's how I stand.
Zundfolge
05-05-2015, 09:09
The winner:
57881
If you dig comics (particularly anti Jihad ones) you should really check out Bosch Fawstin's work (http://fawstin.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-infidel-is-now-available-on-digital.html).
Just realized that they are referring to this contest as "The First Annual..." Will be interesting to see if they are invited back to the same complex next year and how many entries they get next year. It's on the radar now!
My drawing would be of a busy cafe on a crowded street, viewed from inside the cafe. All the patio tables and chairs would be occupied, and among the various pedestrians on the sidewalk would be a mother pushing a stroller with a little girl in tow; maybe the girl is holding a teddy bear or a balloon. Standing at the end of the sidewalk would be a man in traditional dress, with a vest slightly open enough to reveal a vest of explosives just beneath. He'll have a contemplative look on his face as he gazes upon the mother passing before him. It will look as if he's having a moral dilemma, Will he rise up out of the gutter and step into civilization in order to set-off his explosive?. Upon either shoulder will be the classic angel and devil scenario, only each shoulder will portray Mohammad, and they'll both be saying "Yes!"
But I can't draw.
hollohas
05-05-2015, 15:09
These BG’s were apparently dumb as rocks. It sure looks to me like the one BG with the Sub 2000 didn't have a front sight.
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And BearingArms (http://bearingarms.com/pushed-forward-brave-garland-police-officer-advanced-brought-garland-terrorists/2/) has a good description of how they believe the officer advanced to engage the terrorists based on the location of the evidence markers. That-a-boy! We'll never find out who he is but I hope someone who does know him buys him a beer or two.
That's how I stand.
I thought you were the busted ass?
Reference avatar for joke!
Hmmm, hard to think of something legitimate to draw, I'd probably draw a feral cat with dingleberries in the act of licking its own asshole
Great-Kazoo
05-05-2015, 15:36
Hmmm, hard to think of something legitimate to draw, I'd probably draw a feral cat with dingleberries in the act of licking its own asshole
picture of the Koran with what appears to be the heads of penis' along the border urinating on it. it's called art when done to a crucifix, why not.
hollohas
05-05-2015, 15:53
57920
The winning drawing looks like Wolverine in a turban.
KT Sub 2000 is a long gun when it isn't folded in half and as a pistol caliber carbine would be a pretty weak excuse for an an assault weapon.
Good guy with gun beats bad guys with guns. Too bad there isn't any video. I love training films.
Aloha_Shooter
05-05-2015, 19:36
The dude on the left seems either interested in her frontal assets or thinking "what a biaaaatch". Maybe both.
Nah, he's clearly looking downward at the ground. He might be intentionally ignoring the queen bee but he's definitely NOT checking her out. Guy on the right is definitely ignoring her too. That should tell you something as most guys have their mind on one of two things and you know what it is if they ate recently.
kidicarus13
05-05-2015, 21:07
These BG’s were apparently dumb as rocks. It sure looks to me like the one BG with the Sub 2000 didn't have a front sight.
57919
And BearingArms (http://bearingarms.com/pushed-forward-brave-garland-police-officer-advanced-brought-garland-terrorists/2/) has a good description of how they believe the officer advanced to engage the terrorists based on the location of the evidence markers. That-a-boy! We'll never find out who he is but I hope someone who does know him buys him a beer or two.
Good observation, I would have to agree. If I were the ISIS public information person I don't think I be admitting those 2 dead guys were from us. From all of the reports, they were a couple of hacks.
sellersm
05-05-2015, 21:17
If I were the ISIS public information person I don't think I be admitting those 2 dead guys were from us. From all of the reports, they were a couple of pawns.
FIFY... The whole thing smells to me. This doesn't seem like the work of such a well-organized & well-trained group to me. The CIA should ask for their $$ back! [Coffee]
FIFY... The whole thing smells to me. This doesn't seem like the work of such a well-organized & well-trained group to me. The CIA should ask for their $$ back! [Coffee]
I could totally see obama trying to have the CIA whack Pamela Geller.[Beer]
Did anyone hear Donald Trump remark on this? "I support free speech, but..." there are no buts when it comes to freedom, you have it or you don't. Lawd I hope Mr. Toupee doesn't run next year. Oh, and my crush on Martha McCallum from FNC has taken a hit after her interview with Ms. Gellar.
And there's this:
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/f9cdbff1f5bcbbacb95f3244cf7f1b33.jpg
57928
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Bailey Guns
05-06-2015, 05:22
And there's this:
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/f9cdbff1f5bcbbacb95f3244cf7f1b33.jpg
I guess that's true if you don't count the Ft Hood shootings by a Muslim whacko.
Did anyone hear Donald Trump remark on this? "I support free speech, but..." there are no buts when it comes to freedom, you have it or you don't. Lawd I hope Mr. Toupee doesn't run next year. Oh, and my crush on Martha McCallum from FNC has taken a hit after her interview with Ms. Gellar.
Right.
If that fool runs he won't win.
Singlestack
05-06-2015, 06:45
Did anyone hear Donald Trump remark on this? "I support free speech, but..." there are no buts when it comes to freedom, you have it or you don't. Lawd I hope Mr. Toupee doesn't run next year. Oh, and my crush on Martha McCallum from FNC has taken a hit after her interview with Ms. Gellar.
Yup, and OReilly was just as bad. At least Megan Kelly stood her ground on this. Hate speech is a very slippery slope, and thats where the left is going on this incident - muslims become a protected class that needs the big hammer of .gov to protect them from the islamophobic, racist bigots. Oh, whats that you're saying? Muslims aren't a race? Well then - lets just change the meaning of racism to include aniti-muslim!
OReilly and others support some sort of anti-free speech here since they say Geller and the others "knew what was going to happen beforehand" and "what if a little kid was there and was killed by the gunfire?". In other words, you know this will bring out violence, so your form of free speech is unacceptable in the name of public safety. Using that logic, I guess to have the same legal protection, Christians and Jews need to start shooting people when there is the next art exhibit with the cross in a jar of urine.
God help us...
GilpinGuy
05-06-2015, 08:02
God help us...
It really feels like we're living in Bizarro World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World)these days, doesn't it?
I thought this whole freedom of assembly and free speech issue was already addressed by the US Supreme Court:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_ Skokie
See the end of The Blues Brothers
The First Amendment is not necessary to protect speech which is popular. It is their to insure government does not prohibit or deny the right to express the unpopular. A concept like "Hate Speech" is a good example of what any government may not prohibit without risking violating the First Amendment.
OReilly and others support some sort of anti-free speech here since they say Geller and the others "knew what was going to happen beforehand" and "what if a little kid was there and was killed by the gunfire?". In other words, you know this will bring out violence, so your form of free speech is unacceptable in the name of public safety. Using that logic, I guess to have the same legal protection, Christians and Jews need to start shooting people when there is the next art exhibit with the cross in a jar of urine.
God help us...
This is so dumb. We ALL know that being American = attempted murder by ISIS. That's the only thing that happened here.
GilpinGuy
05-06-2015, 10:21
Now ISIS is threatening to kill Pam Geller (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/isis-appears-threaten-pamela-geller-claims-militants-article-1.2211913). I'm shocked.
GilpinGuy
05-06-2015, 10:24
The next contest should be combined with a pig roast. The savages won't come anywhere near it. [Flower]
OReilly and others support some sort of anti-free speech here since they say Geller and the others "knew what was going to happen beforehand" and "what if a little kid was there and was killed by the gunfire?". In other words, you know this will bring out violence, so your form of free speech is unacceptable in the name of public safety.
Isn't that the same as saying a girl that dresses like a hoochie knows what she was getting into if she gets raped?
Goodburbon
05-06-2015, 11:14
Isn't that the same as saying a girl that dresses like a hoochie knows what she was getting into if she gets raped?
No, no, no....that's just part of the conservative war on women and any logic used there is not applicable to THIS argument. Situational ethics, I believe is the term. What's good for the geese isn't good for the muslim ganders, or something like that.
Here is my prediction of events to come.
We're going to continue strutting around like peacocks because we were prepared for some conflict and were easily able to dispatch the Disney level bad guys who showed up.
Meanwhile, ISIS is going to send a bunch of better trained and better equipped guys to a place that isn't at all expecting a confrontation. A lot of people are going to be hurt/killed, and the media will immediately attack Pam Geller and blame her for their deaths. We'll have yet another internal struggle among the citizenry while ISIS moves on to their next plan.
Stay prepared and be safe, everyone.
Here is my prediction of events to come.
We're going to continue strutting around like peacocks because we were prepared for some conflict and were easily able to dispatch the Disney level bad guys who showed up.
Meanwhile, ISIS is going to send a bunch of better trained and better equipped guys to a place that isn't at all expecting a confrontation. A lot of people are going to be hurt/killed, and the media will immediately attack Pam Geller and blame her for their deaths. We'll have yet another internal struggle among the citizenry while ISIS moves on to their next plan.
Gun-free zones: head's up!
Unfortunately, it won't matter if it is a gun free zone or not.
wctriumph
05-06-2015, 12:26
All it will take is a good sized group (10 guys) of radicals to roll up to the mall entrances two to a car armed with easily acquired modern sporting rifles with easily acquired 30 round magazine parts kits (preassembled) loaded with easily acquired M855 green tip. They block the escape of unarmed law abiding citizens and take over the mall. The authorities will most likely surround the mall and contain the place while the bad guys walk through killing anyone they come across.
There are muslim organizations at just about every large sized university in just about every good sized city in the country. There are several in CO right now.
Of course, it will be our fault because we are the people that prevented the politicians from banning these evil guns in the first place.
Assholes.
Zundfolge
05-06-2015, 12:31
The first wave of islamic attacks may indeed be gunmen, but they'll eventually graduate to car bombs, suicide bombers and IEDs before too long.
wctriumph
05-06-2015, 12:38
The first wave of islamic attacks may indeed be gunmen, but they'll eventually graduate to car bombs, suicide bombers and IEDs before too long.
Car bombs and suicide bombers will happen and sooner than we are prepared for I'm afraid to say. When do we push back when these types of attacks happen? Do we continue to wait for the government to react? These are truly dangerous times and getting worse with the inaction of government.
GilpinGuy
05-06-2015, 13:03
I seriously can't believe that a "Day of Wrath" scenario hasn't taken place yet. Sadly, I think it's just a matter of time.
Zundfolge
05-06-2015, 14:12
Car bombs and suicide bombers will happen and sooner than we are prepared for I'm afraid to say.
Is anyone ever "prepared" for bombings?
When do we push back when these types of attacks happen? Do we continue to wait for the government to react? These are truly dangerous times and getting worse with the inaction of government.
I'm actually more worried about action from this regime then inaction.
Here is my prediction of events to come.
We're going to continue strutting around like peacocks because we were prepared for some conflict and were easily able to dispatch the Disney level bad guys who showed up.
Meanwhile, ISIS is going to send a bunch of better trained and better equipped guys to a place that isn't at all expecting a confrontation. A lot of people are going to be hurt/killed, and the media will immediately attack Pam Geller and blame her for their deaths. We'll have yet another internal struggle among the citizenry while ISIS moves on to their next plan.
Highly likely.
But if it weren't for Geller, what would the compromise need to be to keep the barbarians happy? These are the monsters who behead and rape because their victims have a different religion. In a way, Geller has done us a favor by forcing Americans to see ISIS as a direct threat and not the JV team Obama has been ignoring (or helping if you see it that way).
I really don't see a moderate position to be had with people who are committed to your destruction.
And Moms Demanding need to do some heavy thinking on this.
Here is my prediction of events to come.
We're going to continue strutting around like peacocks because we were prepared for some conflict and were easily able to dispatch the Disney level bad guys who showed up.
Meanwhile, ISIS is going to send a bunch of better trained and better equipped guys to a place that isn't at all expecting a confrontation. A lot of people are going to be hurt/killed...
Have we forgotten 9-11 already?
Have we forgotten 9-11 already?
Yes, I think we have. We went and fought some wars over it, so I think the public considers the matter addressed, and closed. This is unfortunate.
Skip, I don't think anything should be done to appease anyone, ever. In this case, I don't know if there even is a "right" thing to do; but there will certainly be a reality that we will all have to face one way or the other. I don't even know how to prepare for what comes next.
Singlestack
05-06-2015, 15:48
I have to agree with your guys observations and predictions. In fact, I think they are certain to happen. While ISIS' strategy for Europe and the US seems to be built around encouraging home-grown terrorism, like these Garland idiots. there have been reports about at least one ISIS training camp within a few miles of the border in cartel land, and other ISIS camps scattered around the US. Given our lax border and port security, it is highly likely a few well trained hit squads could infiltrate and put together some devastating attacks. Given the escalating "war on police" by the left and Beeho, they are looking at any way to hobble law enforcement further. Not sure what their end-game is, but seems to be perhaps federalizing the police or at least controlling them so that many legitimate crimes aren't investigated or prosecuted.
I don't even know how to prepare for what comes next.
Stay away from major public venues? I know that's a "silly" suggestion but really, that's all you can do.
Zundfolge
05-06-2015, 15:51
Have we forgotten 9-11 already?
Yes, I think we have.
Worse, kids these days think you can't melt steel with fire.
hurley842002
05-06-2015, 15:55
Stay away from major public venues? I know that's a "silly" suggestion but really, that's all you can do.
I'm not disagreeing, but this is exactly how terror defeats us as a country.
I'm not disagreeing, but this is exactly how terror defeats us as a country.
The other option is to draw them out and handle accordingly but then you get reamed for doing that too. It's a lose/lose thanks to terrorists and dems.
Live your life, if your life includes movie theaters, church, and the mall then continue to live your life.
If you're like me and you naturally avoid crowds like the plague then continue to live your life.
Do not let the terrorists and the communists win, fuck those cowards.
Live your life.
So I'm not paranoid bringing my new pdw to work with me?
So I'm not paranoid bringing my new pdw to work with me?
LOL :) No.
Better to have it and never experience an event than to not it have and wish you did.
Zundfolge
05-06-2015, 16:28
Live your life, if your life includes movie theaters, church, and the mall then continue to live your life.
If you're like me and you naturally avoid crowds like the plague then continue to live your life.
Do not let the terrorists and the communists win, fuck those cowards.
Live your life.
Amen.
hurley842002
05-06-2015, 16:41
So I'm not paranoid bringing my new pdw to work with me?
Nah, plenty of people would like you to believe you are tho.
Stay away from major public venues? I know that's a "silly" suggestion but really, that's all you can do.
Pretty much what Hurley and Roberth have said. I don't generally enjoy larger venues anyway, but I don't want to live in a hole either; especially for my family. If my wife's dreams were to mary a man who would lock her and the kids away from the world, she would have moved to Afghanistan already years ago.
That's why I said it's silly. I live my life and plan accordingly. But we live in Castle Rock and rarely venture into Denver or any major venue. Not because I live in fear but because big crowds suck and the general pop is annoying.
That's why I said it's silly. I live my life and plan accordingly. But we live in Castle Rock and rarely venture into Denver or any major venue. Not because I live in fear but because big crowds suck and the general pop is annoying.
We're still meeting up in Vegas for ISIS vs. Mayweather next spring though, right?
We're still meeting up in Vegas for ISIS vs. Mayweather next spring though, right?
As long as we carpool in Jer's toyota, yes.
I'll wear my Bates boots in case there is any trouble.
hurley842002
05-06-2015, 17:01
I'll wear my Bates boots in case there is any trouble.
I'll wear my Reef flip flops....
Jer, swing by Jensen's and pick up those "Mo'Hammed, Mo'problems" T-shirts we were going to wear. I'll need an XL.
I guess we could probably get this thread back on track. I'm sure soon enough something terrible will happen to get us focused again. :(
wctriumph
05-06-2015, 17:08
In the wild west, not so long ago, if the bad guys were known, the good guys would get together and go pay them a visit. They would pick a fight and then shoot them down, no more bad guys. The good guys found out that if they did nothing the bad guys would just sneak around and pot shot them from hiding. So the good guys did something about it and the bad guys died or left never to return.
I'll wear my Reef flip flops....
Good thinking...blend in and look non-threatening. I'll wear tie dye so Irving and his boots is the target.
whoa whoa whoa.. vegas trip... I'm feeling left out. I can totally blend in.
...and now this bit of info...
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/06/official-fbi-overlooked-texas-shooters-violent-tweets-because-there-are-so-many-like-him/
An unidentified “senior law enforcement official” tells the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/world/middleeast/isis-texas-muhammad-cartoons.html?_r=0) that, while the FBI had been aware of Garland, Texas jihadist attacker Elton Simpson for nearly a decade, they did not follow his violent, pro-jihad tweets as closely as they could have because “there are so many like him” that the agency is overwhelmed.
whoa whoa whoa.. vegas trip... I'm feeling left out. I can totally blend in.
You bringing a selfie stick? :D
If he has a selfie stick, he doesn't need to go to Vegas, does he?
I've got a fresh GoPro from crays to put on the stick.
All it will take is a good sized group (10 guys) of radicals to roll up to the mall entrances two to a car armed with easily acquired modern sporting rifles with easily acquired 30 round magazine parts kits (preassembled) loaded with easily acquired M855 green tip. They block the escape of unarmed law abiding citizens and take over the mall. The authorities will most likely surround the mall and contain the place while the bad guys walk through killing anyone they come across.
There are muslim organizations at just about every large sized university in just about every good sized city in the country. There are several in CO right now.
Of course, it will be our fault because we are the people that prevented the politicians from banning these evil guns in the first place.
Assholes.
Modern active shooter tactics (at least in CO following the Columbine shooting) dictate that the first responding officers are too actively engage the shooter, not contain the scene, like previous years tactics dictated. While this scenario is very possible, I don't think it would ever turn out like the Kenya mall shooting, they (Kenyan police) failed to act in a timely fashion, that's why it was so bad.
I've got a fresh GoPro from crays to put on the stick.
Now, that just sounds dirty.
Aloha_Shooter
05-06-2015, 21:16
In the wild west, not so long ago, if the bad guys were known, the good guys would get together and go pay them a visit. They would pick a fight and then shoot them down, no more bad guys. The good guys found out that if they did nothing the bad guys would just sneak around and pot shot them from hiding. So the good guys did something about it and the bad guys died or left never to return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4
GilpinGuy
05-06-2015, 21:26
Live your life, if your life includes movie theaters, church, and the mall then continue to live your life.
If you're like me and you naturally avoid crowds like the plague then continue to live your life.
Do not let the terrorists and the communists win, fuck those cowards.
Live your life.
Best post of the year.
Modern active shooter tactics (at least in CO following the Columbine shooting) dictate that the first responding officers are too actively engage the shooter, not contain the scene, like previous years tactics dictated. While this scenario is very possible, I don't think it would ever turn out like the Kenya mall shooting, they (Kenyan police) failed to act in a timely fashion, that's why it was so bad.
Your not giving enough credit ( and I don't mean good credit ) to the terrorists. That was a well planned and executed attack. We all thought the same thing prior to 9/11 "We're too good for this to happen". Never underestimate the fervor of someone willing to die for their cause. This is what makes them so damn dangerous. I read up a lot on the Kenyan attack and quite a few of those Kenyan officers acted pretty heroically. Remember, they went after they their security first. A well armed band of terrorists could easily overwhelm most security at our malls etc. I don't think you can train enough on carrying. Recent events have made me rethink the way I do everything. Our officers are well trained but can't be everywhere at once. They know this.
Best post of the year.
Agreed.
I did see a great thing of FB this evening:
Good: two ISIS terrorists dead.
Bad: Now Texans have another reason to not shut the hell up about Texas.
onebadfx4
05-07-2015, 03:47
I did see a great thing of FB this evening:
Good: two ISIS terrorists dead.
Bad: Now Texans have another reason to not shut the hell up about Texas.
The Texas pride has already started.
http://shop.tacticalshit.com/gear/tactical-gear/t-shirts/dont-jihad-w-texas-shirt
I did see a great thing of FB this evening:
Good: two ISIS terrorists dead.
Bad: Now Texans have another reason to not shut the hell up about Texas.
That's funny and my wife is from Texas.
The Texas pride has already started.
http://shop.tacticalshit.com/gear/tactical-gear/t-shirts/dont-jihad-w-texas-shirt
I love it!
Not a damn thing wrong with shoving it in their faces (Liberals and Jihadists both).
Rucker61
05-07-2015, 09:37
. A well armed band of terrorists could easily overwhelm most security at our malls etc.
A small group of old lady mall walkers could easily overwhelm most mall security.
Haven't any of you seen the movie Paul Blart? He handled a team of thugs all by himself. [ROFL3]
As others have said, the danger comes in that they only care about destruction, not living.
hurley842002
05-07-2015, 09:44
A small group of old lady mall walkers could easily overwhelm most mall security.
That's what I was thinking, immediately Paul Blart came to mind, specifically the scene with the old man on the scooter.
sellersm
05-07-2015, 09:44
A small group of old lady mall walkers could easily overwhelm most mall security.
Paul Blart not withstanding... [Coffee]
buckshotbarlow
05-07-2015, 16:18
So i did some thinking the other day...
First Amendment is always backed up by the 2nd right...I think this case just demonstrated it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=3PWgOAtCn8k
HoneyBadger
05-08-2015, 18:34
Anybody else notice that all of CONUS went to FPCON Bravo today? Fox is making it sound like its connected to this event.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/08/pentagon-put-on-elevated-alert-level-amid-recent-threats/?intcmp=HPBucket
jerrymrc
05-08-2015, 20:55
Anybody else notice that all of CONUS went to FPCON Bravo today? Fox is making it sound like its connected to this event.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/08/pentagon-put-on-elevated-alert-level-amid-recent-threats/?intcmp=HPBucket
You and I both know this has been in the works for a few months. [Beer] It is a PITA because non-regular contractors have to be sponsored or escorted. [Rant1]
You and I both know this has been in the works for a few months. [Beer] It is a PITA because non-regular contractors have to be sponsored or escorted. [Rant1]
You just gotta know the right people --- or get a a CAC card. ;)
HoneyBadger
05-09-2015, 09:29
You just gotta know the right people --- or get a a CAC card. ;)
Ha! True story.
I still can't help but wonder if this is directly related to the ISIS attack in Texas. The NSA or DHS has got to be tracking anyone related to ISIS in the US, right? ...right?
Great-Kazoo
05-09-2015, 09:52
Ha! True story.
I still can't help but wonder if this is directly related to the ISIS attack in Texas. The NSA or DHS has got to be tracking EVERYONE In the US, right? ...right?
FIFY
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