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Looks kinda goofy, that large flat area on right side of turret seems like a mondo weak point.
Their own remote gun on top is kinda neat.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/world/russia-new-tank/index.html
Ahh the famous May Day Parade
Didn't notice the white highlights on the vehicle they used to do.
Should be their new T14,,125mm smoothbore,when everyone else's is 120mm.
If they follow previous manufacturing, they will use the same chassis,for different vehicles.
the Armata "is a cutting-edge vehicle with an unmanned turret armed with a brand new 125 mm smoothbore cannon, which is the most powerful gun of its kind to date in terms of muzzle energy.
Anyone that thinks that a tank is the way forward on the battlefield needs their head examined. In 99% or modern engagements, tanks are nothing more than expensive coffins for their crews when faced with any kind of modern air attack.
KestrelBike
05-05-2015, 18:30
Anyone that thinks that a tank is the way forward on the battlefield needs their head examined. In 99% or modern engagements, tanks are nothing more than expensive coffins for their crews when faced with any kind of modern air attack.
I thought coalition tanks did quite well in the GWoT with minimal casualties. In a war with China/Russia, perhaps not so much...
GWOT targets forgot to bring a air force. A well place mine is still effective.
We controlled the air over the battlefield.
Tanks have a very strong intimidation factor.
Specially when used against civilians.
Also in undeveloped country's.
It will not be NATO vs Russia and whatever allies (China?)
Tanks still have a role,as a mobile artillery.
Just my 2 cents.
Understood that flat area to left of turret is a heavily armored drivers window/periscope.
KestrelBike
05-05-2015, 19:33
In a war with China/Russia, perhaps not so much...
GWOT targets forgot to bring a air force. A well place mine is still effective.
We controlled the air over the battlefield.
China/Russia being foes with air power was implied :P
Also, no amount of armor is going to beat a crapton of artillery rounds daisy-chained together buried under dirt. RIP tankers.
Also, no amount of armor is going to beat a crapton of artillery rounds daisy-chained together buried under dirt. RIP tankers.
I had a co-worker that was from the former Soviet Union. He served his conscription as a T-80 tanker. They were told their life expectancy in a conflict with NATO was about 30 seconds.
airborneranger
05-05-2015, 19:50
Tanks have a very strong intimidation factor.
Specially when used against civilians.
Also in undeveloped country's.
It will not be NATO vs Russia and whatever allies (China?)
Tanks still have a role,as a mobile artillery.
Just my 2 cents.
Understood that flat area to left of turret is a heavily armored drivers window/periscope.
What? LOL. We already have mobile artillery, it is called the Paladan. If you want to piss off a tanker or an artilleryman, just refer to anything that has armor as a tank. It is great fun.
Look to the past and all of the hate against the M1 Abrams. We didn't need it, it cost too much money, there is no longer a need for tanks with modern air power. Blah, blah, blah. Desert Storm proved all of those folks wrong. The M1 was needed and proved itself over and over.
Wingnuts have been preaching about air power being the end all to conflict since the end of WWI. Well, it isn't that easy. Precision bombing only does so much. Plans can't retain terrain, only tanks and infantrymen can do that.
airborneranger
05-05-2015, 19:52
Anyone that thinks that a tank is the way forward on the battlefield needs their head examined. In 99% or modern engagements, tanks are nothing more than expensive coffins for their crews when faced with any kind of modern air attack.
First, you need to define the modern battle field. I would argue that we need to prep for the future battlefield. What is that? It could be a near-peer competitor (China, Russia, etc) or it could be more of these complex battles against non-state actors. To write-off the tank as no longer needed or simply as coffins is absurd.
First, you need to define the modern battle field. I would argue that we need to prep for the future battlefield. What is that? It could be a near-peer competitor (China, Russia, etc) or it could be more of these complex battles against non-state actors. To write-off the tank as no longer needed or simply as coffins is absurd.
No doubt armor is helpful against less sophisticated enemies, but if they're advanced enough to have air support, the advantages are pretty much negated.
Paladins are USA piece,,ever get a S2 info packets on Russian tactics?
Our arty is a 6 digit grid,,Russians will target the whole grid.
Nor did I in any means say tanks replace arty.
airborneranger
05-05-2015, 21:34
Paladins are USA piece,,ever get a S2 info packets on Russian tactics?
Our arty is a 6 digit grid,,Russians will target the whole grid.
Nor did I in any means say tanks replace arty.
What? You said tanks will have a role as mobile artillery. Ever looked up the definition of artillery?
I don't need the dumbass S2 to tell me about threat artillery.
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airborneranger
05-05-2015, 21:35
No doubt armor is helpful against less sophisticated enemies, but if they're advanced enough to have air support, the advantages are pretty much negated.
Not true. It is a pipe dream to think airpower is going to kill everything on the battlefield, especially armor.
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BushMasterBoy
05-05-2015, 22:41
The "network centric" battlefield means one aircraft could take out 8 tanks from 30 miles away.Easily...the bombs glide!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQ47RU_t_E
Not true. It is a pipe dream to think airpower is going to kill everything on the battlefield, especially armor.
http://www.yamahamotorcycleforum.com/gallery/files/7/8/6/9/518889fe6845baf0eb382d0bad7f1a21_1004.jpg
http://www.military.com:80/video/aircraft/attack-and-fighter-aircraft/a-10-still-bringing-the-pain/3652071807001/
Uberjager
05-05-2015, 23:43
Anyone that thinks that a tank is the way forward on the battlefield needs their head examined. In 99% or modern engagements, tanks are nothing more than expensive coffins for their crews when faced with any kind of modern air attack.
IIRC in Chechnya, a group of rebels took out the tracks on the point and rear tanks of a column in a narrow alley way. They rained down all kinds of explosives and molotovs forcing the tank crews to evacuate.
KestrelBike
05-06-2015, 05:00
IIRC in Chechnya, a group of rebels took out the tracks on the point and rear tanks of a column in a narrow alley way. They rained down all kinds of explosives and molotovs forcing the tank crews to evacuate.
Yeah I think that was the first conflict back in 1995, when some dumbass running the show decided to roll up the heavy armor into grozny in a show of force against logical doctrine.
One of the next few battles had Russian army troops fighting Russian MVD (paramilitarized police) troops in a pitched battle for hours with heavy casualties before they realized they were on the same side.
When they got their act together, tanks were/are used in Chechnya to great advantage.
wctriumph
05-06-2015, 07:41
I liked the idea that the crew consisted of only two guys in an armored capsule.
Tank vs tank warfare, we need tanks. Asymmetric warfare, they're not as effective. We will never get rid of tanks, so long as our enemies and potential enemies have them.
Anyone that thinks that a tank is the way forward on the battlefield needs their head examined. In 99% or modern engagements, tanks are nothing more than expensive coffins for their crews when faced with any kind of modern air attack.
They've got something for that, too.
http://i.imgur.com/B2i8t8A.jpg
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2015, 00:10
yeah, but the first troops in downtown baghdad were in tanks...
ChunkyMonkey
05-07-2015, 01:07
Ahh the famous May Day Parade
Didn't notice the white highlights on the vehicle they used to do.
Should be their new T14,,125mm smoothbore,when everyone else's is 120mm.
If they follow previous manufacturing, they will use the same chassis,for different vehicles.
Yep, can't wait for the M1 getting ETC 140mm gun. K2 is already experimenting with them rail gun! Looks cool as heck
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